Pakistan: You Can’t Hunt Al Qaeda Here

Foreign Ministry Says, Despite Report, U.S. Forces Cannot Engage Militants On Pakistani Soil

(AP)  Pakistan reiterated that it will not let American forces hunt al Qaeda and Taliban militants on its soil, after a news report said Sunday that the Bush administration was considering expanding U.S. military and intelligence operations into Pakistan's tribal regions.

The Foreign Ministry dismissed as "speculative" a story in The New York Times saying President Bush's top security officials discussed a proposal Friday to deploy U.S. troops to pursue militants along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.

"We are very clear. Nobody is going to be allowed to do anything here," said Maj. Gen. Waheed Arshad, the top spokesman for Pakistan's army.

"The government has said it so many times," Arshad said. "No foreign forces will be allowed to operate inside Pakistan."

The Pakistan-Afghanistan border area has long been considered a likely hiding place for al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and his top deputy Ayman al-Zawahri, as well as an operating ground for tribal Taliban sympathizers.

In Afghanistan, President Hamid Karzai's spokesman did not immediately return a call seeking comment on the report.

Bush's top security advisers - including Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice - had debated whether to expand the authority of the CIA and the military to "conduct far more aggressive covert operations in the tribal areas of Pakistan," the Times reported.

Recent reports indicate al Qaeda and the Taliban are "intensifying efforts" to destabilize Pakistan's government, the newspaper said.

It said Bush's security advisers' discussion on the proposal was part of an assessment of Washington's strategy following the Dec. 27 assassination of populist opposition leader Benazir Bhutto, a moderate pro-U.S. politician who had vowed to fight Islamic extremists if she was elected in an upcoming parliamentary vote.

Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf, a close U.S. ally in the war against terror, has blamed Baitullah Mehsud, a tribal militant leader allegedly tied to al Qaeda, for Bhutto's death.

Mehsud has reportedly denied involvement.

[rowdytexan2]

Looks like the weasel wants to protect the rats!

Not that I think we should be in Pakistan, but it looks to me like if it was my country and was being over taken by rats, and my own resources could not get rid of them, I''d certainly be on the phone with a rat killer for help!

...just sayin!

[sigotratando]

How is Pakistan a "key ally" in the fight against terrorism again?

[dargay]

It looks like the US is going to attack Pakistan now and screw the country up even further.

Americans just cant keep their fingers off the trigger.

[marcpcbs]

Hay Pakistan,

The U.S.A. will hunt terrorists any place it wants.

[Con Mohrat]

Bush''s top security advisers - including Vice President *** Cheney and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice - had debated whether to expand the authority of the CIA and the military to "conduct far more aggressive covert operations in the tribal areas of Pakistan," the Times reported.

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Firstly, they forgot to consult anyone in Pakistan.
Does this mean all other nations including China are permitted to send troops to the US because there were once terrorists on 9/11 ?

Secondly, when they say they can "deploy U.S. troops", since when did the U.S. have enough troops to deploy anywhere? The Bomb-RunAway-Hide US military is only capable of bombing and killing little children, not fighting on the ground. When they do fight on the ground, they leave the job unfinished as in Korea, or surrender as in Viet Nam.

Our Draft Dodger Administration does not know war, and they have proved it by losing two wars in the Near East.

[poopusbuttus]

Firstly, they forgot to consult anyone in Pakistan. Posted by VET

Oh really? Why? Because they say so in a report provided to CBSNEWS?

Do the research VET, there have already been joint strikes (with Pakistans approval) conducted within the country.

[underdogus]

we are in deep SH.IT and it will only get worse. Pakistan is now a sanctuary for terrorist

[sandy777-2009]

We have supported Pakistan by giving it billions of US dollars, so Pakistan is obligated to the US. Seems to me, we did the same for Sadam Hussien in Iraq and he turned on us too. What is it with these countries, they love getting our US taxpayer dollars but then they don''t want to support us in the US. I guess there''s only one answer to that....we need to stop giving away our US taxpayer dollars to countries who do not support us.

[king77shaw]

the goal has never been to catch Bin Laden - what good is a war on terror without a boogie-man? Bin Laden has been on the CIA payroll since the 1980''s and a Bush family friend since the 1970''s .. just google Tim Osman and see for yourself ... it''s curious to note that the FBI doesn''t even want Bin Laden for the 9/11 attacks (here''s his FBI most wanted poster - http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm)

when you begin to question the 9/11 myth it doesn''t take long to realize the official "story" is just that, a story - mired in cover-up, deception and lies - look at the actual collapses of the 3 WTC buildings (especially WTC 7) and you realize these are no ordinary collapses - these are demolitions - the science does not support the myth..

check out 9/11 Mysteries, a well done documentary on the 9/11 myth:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003

wake up and do your own research - stop buying the mainstream propaganda!

[watcher269-2009]

Time to stop the money to the Pakies then.

[dargay]

marcpcsbs:

Witness the miseries unilateralism has brought and learn some lessons from that. I dont see any great American achievements in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[watcher269-2009]

OR, Maybe we should give the Pakies Another 20 Billion Dollars to change their minds. After all it''s only money that the lower and middle incomes have to pay for - since the Rich don''t pay taxes anymore.

[dangeroushen]

I think if Musharraf were to agree to US forces in Pakistan the heat would become unbearable for him. Especially after the death of Bhutto, the whole region would blow up in his face.

[abbe91]

When Iraq complies to a US ultimatum, it gets invaded anyway. When Pakistan protects Bin Laden and tells "F*** off" to America, it''s ok. Please explain, Bush and Cheney ...

[king77shaw]

December 4, 2007

Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga has gone public on 9/11, telling Italy''s most respected newspaper that the attacks were run by the Mossad and CIA and that this was common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies.

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/december2007/120407_common_knowledge.htm

[king77shaw]

here%u2019s an independent photographer who shot close up footage of the Pentagon on 9/11 - watch it and hear what he has to say - then ask yourself %u201Cwhere%u2019s the 757?%u201D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYWIT9TSJPE

more damning Pentagon evidence here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAwtmun_aj8&feature=related

and here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=869bO4jI1po&feature=related

it''''s rare European news footage of the Pentagon close-up on 9/11 ... and you realize that a) the wingspan of a 757 would not fit in that hole - there is no damage to the sides .. and b) there is NO PLANE ... where is the 757 ? no luggage, no skid marks, no bodies, no tail section, no wings ? ... what hit the Pentagon ? ...

[abbe91]

"We have supported Pakistan by giving it billions of US dollars, so Pakistan is obligated to the US. Seems to me, we did the same for Sadam Hussien in Iraq and he turned on us too. What is it with these countries, they love getting our US taxpayer dollars but then they don''''t want to support us in the US.
Posted by sandy777 at 12:12 PM : Jan 06, 2008"

Didn''t it occur to you that it''s not those countries which changed but the US policy ? In 1983 (did you see the famous handshake with Rumsfeld ?), Hussein was an ally, just like Musharraf now. Ask yourself: what changed between 1983 and 2003 ? Iraq policy didn''t change by a iota. Hussein was already a dictator in 1983 and was still a dictator. Unlike Pakistan, Iraq was not a heaven for Al Quaeda. So what ? 911 was a unique chance for Bush and Cheney to invade Iraq and they didn''t miss it.

[godseyesore-2009]

king77shaw, this (and related "mysteries" of Pentagon) has been thoroughly and scientifically debunked...years ago. Where have you been?

[fredgrad2000]

King77Shaw -

Leave this board, we have no place for traitors like you on this board who have lost all sense of reality. Go to DailyKos or some other looney left site where they will appreciate your lunacy and treasonous lies. Get lost!!

[fredgrad2000]

This article is just a waste of space; we all know the Pakistanis for internal consumption HAVE to say that (no US troops will be allowed here, blah blah blah), but the simple truth is that Musharraf knew where the Al Qaeda terrorists who have tried to assassinate him 9 times were; he''d happily give us the GPS coordinates and then take credit for the kills as if they were really Pakistani helicopter strikes rather than US predator or AC-130, etc. strikes. He and those closest to him (though of course not all in their intel and military services) would love to see Al Qaeda destroyed as they are a threat to him and his allies!! His gov''t will continue to say they will not allow foreigners in, but if we have the intel, we will go without a doubt, and Musharraf will take credit for it and throw a party when we do; he certainly won''t ACTUALLY stop it. Politics is politics, regardless of the country.

[earth561]

According to sources within global intelligence sources, the planes on 9/11 were flown by Jewish Eskimo mercaneries trained by Mossad. There is also a photo that was blown up by 500Xs showing a figure with a red suit in the cockpit.Behind that figure seems to be but conclusive to figures that look like antlers.

The latest photographs from the Pentagon cameras parking lots show a very clear discription of someone lighting a very long fuse. This information comes from sources close to real smart inteligence sources that are from very intelligent people.

[dangeroushen]

earth561,,,,Finally, we have the truth.

[gkc99]

How about unleashing a billion ravening Hindus to scour Pakistan clean of the terrorist infestation?

[ipranked]

I say (IMO) that we drop the mother of all bombs on Pakistan and surrounding regions. Give the good people time (24 hours) to leave and let the evil stay behind to be eliminated. Crushed!

Ron T
Founder
www.ipranked.com

[king77shaw]

the science does not support your myth - look at the Pentagon footage - the hole cannot accomodate a 757 .. that''s obvious -- no wings, no skid marks, no tail section - nothing, same with Shanksville -- why doesn''t the FBI just release the footage from the Sheraton security cameras as has been requested under the Freedom of Information Act - they won''t because a 757 did not hit the Pentagon --

[king77shaw]

ask yourself the following-

why did WTC7 fall at free fall speeds so neatly into it''s own footprint?

why has the NIST refused to put out it''s final report on WTC7?
here''s why -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwSc7NPn8Ok

[king77shaw]

collapse or controlled demolition? how did the beams get shot so far horizontally? curious ...

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/wtc1nenw.html

[earth561]

it''''''''s rare European news footage of the Pentagon close-up on 9/11 ... and you realize that a) the wingspan of a 757 would not fit in that hole - there is no damage to the sides .. and b) there is NO PLANE ... where is the 757 ? no luggage, no skid marks, no bodies, no tail section, no wings ? ... what hit the Pentagon ? ...



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Posted by king77shaw at 12:32 PM : Jan 06, 2008

After much research I found out that planes are made of lead and not aluminum. This has been covered up by Pentagon sources for 7 years.
It has also been found by more intelligent sources in Europe that steel does not melt or is made by fire but is created at a secret manufacturing plant in Pongo-Bongo on the Gringo Islands in the Pacific. It is so secret that its not on any maps but European sources state that its made out to be a Gay-Lesbian- Freemason resort area to hide the real intent.
Other sources claim that luggae should not burn with fuel that burns since evryone knows that the Samsonite Co. came out with non-retardent line of luggage in 1976 as was seen by many while watching television. This can also be seen on YouTube if one does not believe it.

[king77shaw]

earthman - easy to ridicule when you can''t argue the facts ..

[king77shaw]

Former Chief of NIST%u2019s Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation

Tuesday Aug 21, 2007

James Quintiere, Ph.D., former Chief of the Fire Science Division of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), has called for an independent review of NIST%u2019s investigation into the collapses of the World Trade Center Towers on 9/11.

Dr. Quintiere made his plea during his presentation, %u201CQuestions on the WTC Investigations%u201D at the 2007 World Fire Safety Conference. %u201CI wish that there would be a peer review of this,%u201D he said, referring to the NIST investigation. %u201CI think all the records that NIST has assembled should be archived. I would really like to see someone else take a look at what they%u2019ve done; both structurally and from a fire point of view.%u201D

%u201CI think the official conclusion that NIST arrived at is questionable,%u201D explained Dr. Quintiere. %u201CLet''''s look at real alternatives that might have been the cause of the collapse of the World Trade Towers and how that relates to the official cause and what''''s the significance of one cause versus another.%u201D

Dr. Quintiere, one of the world%u2019s leading fire science researchers and safety engineers, also encouraged his audience of fellow researchers and engineers to scientifically re-examine the WTC collapses. %u201CI hope to convince you to perhaps become ''Conspiracy Theorists'', but in a proper way,%u201D he said.

[earth561]

collapse or controlled demolition? how did the beams get shot so far horizontally? curious ...

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/e
vidence/photos/wtc1nenw.html



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Posted by king77shaw at 01:06 PM : Jan 06, 2008

Sources in Europe have found out that Newtons Law of Gravity was really a Mossad invention and that Benjamin Franklin created this myth.

[skyk-2009]

I say (IMO) that we drop the mother of all bombs on Pakistan and surrounding regions. Give the good people time (24 hours) to leave and let the evil stay behind to be eliminated. Crushed!

Ron T
Founder
www.ipranked.com


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Posted by ipranked at 01:02 PM : Jan 06, 2008
+ report abuse

How many MORE thousands do you propose die because WE can''t elect a competent Leader? How many have died already and look at the Hatred you have generated from those who have NEEDLESSLY died. Going after a criminal is one thing but when YOUR leader screws up and allows him to escape... Then rebuild using YOUR stupidy to do so? You can''t honestly think that would help do you?? You can''t kill EVERYONE Sparky.... That was tried by Hitler...doesn''t work.

[earth561]

ask yourself the following-

why did WTC7 fall at free fall speeds so neatly into it''''s own footprint?

why has the NIST refused to put out it''''s final report on WTC7?
here''''s why -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwSc7N
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Posted by king77shaw at 01:05 PM : Jan 06, 2008

You have a point there !

After watching a recent Flintstones episode on the Cartoon Channel I notice that when Fred demolishesa buiding it goes..."sploof" and takes up 10 times the original footprint. Why this was not bought up in the last Congressional report is a real coverup !

[middleman8]

rowdy texan2

people in glass houses should not throw stones.

[actornaught]

earth561, pretty funny stuff. I realize it''s like shooting idiot fish in a barrel, but i appreciate your creativity.

[king77shaw]

December 4, 2007 %u2013 Eight former senior Republican administration appointees have severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and several have called for a new investigation. "I find the facts against the official story of the [WTC] buildings'' collapse more compelling than the case that has been made in behalf of the official story. I would like to see the issue debated by independent scientists and engineers," wrote Paul Craig Roberts, PhD, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under President Ronald Reagan. "A real investigation is needed to find an explanation consistent with the evidence, even if it doesn''t reassure the public," said Dr. Roberts, frequently referred to as the "Father of Reagonomics."

Paul Craig Roberts, PhD

"Over the past six years, the ranks of distinguished skeptics of the 9-11 storyline have grown enormously. The ranks include distinguished scientists, engineers and architects, intelligence officers, air traffic controllers, military officers and generals, including the former commanding general of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, former presidential appointees and members of the White House staff in Republican administrations, Top Gun fighter pilots and career airline pilots who say that the flying attributed to the 9-11 hijackers is beyond the skills of America''s best pilots, and foreign dignitaries."

[actornaught]

Is king77shaw related to singinrick? One & the same or twin sons of different mothers?...

[earth561]

We assure those who bash Islam that if there was no occupation in this world by foreign invaders, there would be no resistance %u2013 the so-called terror

Your so right !

The foreign Hindus in India

The foreign ****** and Sunnis in Iraq

The foreign Indonesians in Indonesia

There were suicide bombers many many years before this so called "occupation". Get a history book if you can with a timeline in it instead of a back of a cereal box.

[yongamerica]

"The government has said it so many times," Arshad said. "No foreign forces will be allowed to operate inside Pakistan."

Well then put your military where your mouth is and expel the ones already operating inside Pakistan.

If the Pakistan government can''t even operate a police station in these remote areas, who is going to tell if an errant bomb fell accidentally on a foreign militants training camp? Oh, that''s right, the majority of Pakistan''s military support the Taliban and their al Qaeda guests.

[earth561]

earth561, pretty funny stuff. I realize it''''s like shooting idiot fish in a barrel, but i appreciate your creativity.


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Posted by actornaught at 01:24 PM : Jan 06, 2008

Even though I am a conspiracy I appreciate your Thanks

[prinzowhales]

The prohibition on the Americans from looking for their assets in Pakistan only serves to give our man in Islamabad a semblance of independence.

[yongamerica]

Why blame Islam?
What is happening in the enslaved Muslim countries is a natural reaction to occupation, bombings, killing and terrorizing of innocent civilians (children, old men and women), rapes, in addition to looting of resources, national antiques and artifacts, above all destruction of property by the occupiers. - qazi63

Who are the enslavers in Saudia Arabia? This is the land where al Qaeda was formed. This is the country that funnels money into this terrorist organization.

Enslaved muslim nations? What an Oxymoron because as the Iranian form of government so blatantly depicts, everyone in Iran is repressed and enslaved by their supreme leader. Make him mad and its off with your head. Wear the wrong clothes and its off to prison, if you are lucky.

The Taliban hung a young boy in the middle of a village: his crime was having a dollar bill in his pocket. Who is the slave master in that picture?

The world has heard how peaceful Muslims are supposed to be but where is the proof? Where has a Muslim stood up for peace? Where has a Muslim stood up and denounced the Islamic extremists and their actions of terror?

To answer your first question, considering all the decades of international terror caused by Muslims, why not blame the Muslims?

Who ignores the very basic human right and today owns the largest population of slaves? The Muslims do.

[willcad]

king77shaw, the only myths around here are the paranoid delusions you keep posting.

Every one of your so-called "mysteries" has been debunked time and time again. Here is the most comprehensive debunking, by Popular Science magazine:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

[abbe91]

"Here is the most comprehensive debunking, by Popular Science magazine:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

Posted by WillCAD at 01:56 PM : Jan 06, 2008"

Don''t cherry pick what you agree with in science ...
What about this one ...
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0609105

[dargay]

yongamerica:

The point is an American attack will help militants more than it will hinder them.

[king77shaw]

Popular mechanics thoroughly debunked: http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/gopm/index.html

[king77shaw]

Popular mechanics thoroughly debunked: http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/gopm/index.html

[offtheback]

Leave this board, we have no place for traitors like you on this board who have lost all sense of reality. Go to DailyKos or some other looney left site where they will appreciate your lunacy and treasonous lies. Get lost!!

Posted by fredgrad2000

It is our obligation as citizens and patriots to question the government and what it tells us. Especially when they start saying "it''s none of your business" or "because I said so" Study founder Thom J. a little bit, he was distrusting of the powerfull as well.
That said I do not agree with King77Shaw''s suppositions but I fully support his right to present them. That is what a constitional patriot does.

PS. name calling is childish, what are you ten and on the school yard?

[offtheback]

There were suicide bombers many many years before this so called "occupation". Get a history book if you can with a timeline in it instead of a back of a cereal box.

Posted by earth561

Would that be Alah Crispies?

[realpatriot1]

We''ve given Musharif 7 years to help us track Al Queada. They''ve now clearly shown their hand after spending those years taking our military aid and pretending to be our ally on the hunt. This clearly shows it was all a charade.

We don''t need to be deterred in our decision-making by their nukes because Prof. Khan has already given all of our enemies whatever they''ve needed to start their own programs.

We don''t take orders from Pakastan and if they choose to allow those who attacked us to have safe haven in their country we have the right to respond and we aren''t going to wait for another attack to do so.

It''s time to immediately susupend all aid to this state sponser of terror.