S.C. Republicans Get Phony Romney Card

Holiday Greeting Card Cites Controversial Passages From Book of Mormon

(AP)  Many South Carolina Republicans got a bogus holiday greeting card this week, purported to be from White House hopeful Mitt Romney, that cites some controversial passages from the Book of Mormon. Romney is a Mormon.

"We wish you and your family a happy holiday season and a joyful New Year. The Romney family," the card says.

The last page features a photograph of a temple above a box that says "Paid For By The Boston Massachusetts Temple."

Romney's campaign said it had nothing to do with the cards, postmarked Thursday from Columbia with a 41-cent stamp. Boston Temple President Ken Hutchins said Saturday he first heard about the mailing Friday from a woman in Charleston.

Hutchins said the temple had nothing to do with sending mail to South Carolina Republicans, who go to the polls on Jan. 19 in a key early primary.

"It is sad and unfortunate that this kind of deception and trickery has been employed," said Will Holley, Romney's South Carolina spokesman. "There is absolutely no place for it in American politics."

South Carolina Republican Party Chairman Katon Dawson said he intends to "contact the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Elections Fraud Division and other appropriate authorities, provide them the copy of the mail piece delivered to South Carolina Republicans and ask for a thorough investigation into this matter."

There was no indication how many of the cards were mailed, but Dawson said he got calls from several people who reported receiving them.

"I think it would be nice if somebody got to the bottom of this," Hutchins said.

The card contains passages that underscore some differences between the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and those of denominations that are prevalent in South Carolina.

"We have now clearly shown that God the Father had a plurality of wives, one or more being in eternity by whom He begat our spirits as well as the spirit of Jesus His first born, and another being upon the earth by whom he begat the tabernacle of Jesus, as his only begotten in this world," reads one passage from Orson Pratt, cited on the card as an "original member of the Quorum of Twelve Apostles."

The card also cites a passage on Mary's virgin birth that underscores her race. "And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the great city of Jerusalem, and also other cities. And I beheld the city of Nazareth; and in the city of Nazareth I beheld a virgin, and she was exceedingly fair and white." On the card, "fair and white" are in a bolder, larger font and on a separate line.

Hutchins said the mailing hurts his temple, which, like the parent Mormon church, stays out of politics.

"They have no business using that name or referring to the temple," Hutchins said. "It's a very hurtful thing and creates a misleading impression in peoples' minds." Hutchins said he alerted Tagg Romney, one of Romney's sons, and church authorities about the mailings.

Romney's faith has been a recurring issue in South Carolina, where Christian conservatives dominate the GOP primary. Romney overcame some of those doubts this fall when he picked up an endorsement from Bob Jones, the chancellor of Greenville-based, Christian fundamentalist Bob Jones University.

Such a mailing isn't surprising for South Carolina politics, a state known for political mudslinging and backdoor maneuvering.

Those tactics backfire, said Warren Tompkins, a political consultant who ran George Bush's 2000 campaign in South Carolina and now is Romney's top consultant in the state. "Anything this outrageous and childish and nonsensical would have a significant fallout on whoever did it and on whose behalf it was done," Tompkins said.

[radiob-2009]

Hillary or Huckabee neither have issued a denial. Nah Tom Brady.

[formrusmcsgt]

Where was siningrick on the morning in question, hmmmm?

[radiob-2009]

Where was siningrick on the morning in question, hmmmm?


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Posted by formrusmcsgt

Was he not supposed to be serving 30 Days in the Hole with Larry Craig?

[formrusmcsgt]

Was he not supposed to be serving 30 Days in the Hole with Larry Craig?

Posted by radiob at 07:49 AM : Dec 30, 2007

Actually, he rather enjoyed that punishment, so he was released, Sir.

[skyk-2009]

To those who aren''t fimular with Religious Fascist and their methods, this isn''t unusual at all. During the Civil Rights Fight they would use this tactic to attempt to scare people in the same way. Those who came down from the North to help stop the terrorist attacks and bring a sense of democracy to the South found things sent to folks in this same way. I really do not think Religious Fascist or the Religious Reich will ever change. I do not like Romney and his pandering makes me sick but things like this are just out of bounds.

[radiob-2009]

Actually, he rather enjoyed that punishment, so he was released, Sir.



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Posted by formrusmcsgt


Jonestown, nah he would live to enjoy that too, Hmmm Send him to Iraq then and all like him with one round of ammo.

[radiob-2009]

You will probably need handcuffs about 150,000 pairs of them though.

[formrusmcsgt]

Jonestown, nah he would live to enjoy that too, Hmmm Send him to Iraq then and all like him with one round of ammo.

Posted by radiob at 08:03 AM : Dec 30, 2007

How about having him march through Fallujah carring a cross on his back?

[radiob-2009]

Posted by formrusmcsgt at 08:13 AM

I do believe he suffers from the same afflictions that Ron Williamson suffered from.

[alexma50085]

You know, you don''t see Mitt Romney pushing his religious beliefs on the American people during his bid for President. Maybe Christians should take the hint and pull their religion out of politics because all Christianity has done for politics is get "W" elected and look how well that turned out.

[grumpas]

I would hate to have to live in the Republican world. Where you have to watch every step so you remain within the ''Religious Reich''s'' good graces. Where Christian''s take offense if you don''t say ''Merry Christmas'' instead of ''Happy Holiday''s''! Where one has to remain religiously correct all the time with the right religious phrases! They are the ones who had to open the can of worms. I hope they are happy with the end results!

[perception5]

FYI, two new polls out of Iowa have Mitt Romney re-taking the lead in Iowa.

ARG poll has Mitt at 32% to Slick Huck''s 23%
Mason Dixon Poll has Mitt at 27% and Slick Huck at 23%

........GO MITT! the most qualified candidate running from either party in 2008, no question about it.

[radiob-2009]

Posted by perception5 at 08:59 AM

And then when whoever wins the party nomination if it is not Rommney will you still be supporting the republican candidate? I would vote for Hagel and will probably write him in and I am not a republican or a democrat. You can have the other 16 wagging their tails.

[formrusmcsgt]

I would vote for Hagel and will probably write him in and I am not a republican or a democrat. You can have the other 16 wagging their tails.

Posted by radiob at 09:23 AM : Dec 30, 2007

Too bad Goldwater isn''t an option, eh radio?

[newz4i]

Another round of Christians warring with Christians. Religious folks refuse to handle their wares "only" inside their churches/synagogues/temples/mosques. Why do they insist upon "invading" public domain?

[piercetheval]

Did someone say Christianity (TM) IS WHAT GOT ''W'' elected? I thought it was the computer. Remmber 666 is WWW when read in Hebrew. The Devil is active and the game is afoot. Also, for those interested, 888 (the Christ number) is *** in Hebrew. I would never vate for any candidate that is Mormon, refer to the Mountain Meadows Massacre in the 1800''s to understand my position on this. They believe the Negro to be some sort of sub-standard being in addition to being basically a ''Flying Saucer Cult''. Aum Tat Sat Aum. Eck Kan Kar Sat Nam Siri Wha Guru. PTV.

[formrusmcsgt]

Did someone say Christianity (TM) IS WHAT GOT ''''W'''' elected?
Posted by piercetheval at 09:55 AM : Dec 30, 2007

Maybe because the great majority of Catholics and Evangelicals voted for dubya?

[Krazcarl]

WELL one of joe''s boys has to be phony.

[cyberdjs4]

Racism,
Sexism,
Terrorism,
Rape,
Sodomy,
Theft,
Lying
General disrespect for fellow humans.
All is perfectly fine if its done in the Name Of God.

That''s OK.
Nature will fix everything God and His imperfect creations have dekcuf up.

Sit back and enjoy the show.

[antoniof123]

"It is sad and unfortunate that this kind of deception and trickery has been employed," said Will Holley, Romney''s South Carolina spokesman. "There is absolutely no place for it in American politics."

Yes, it was I guess now that the Republicans are swift boating themsleves it means we are in for a lot more of it in the coming elections.

Of course the only ones who get upset now with the swift boat tactics are the ones who are doing it. What happened to the swift boaters.

Oh that is right one got appoinited to some gravy job right. God the Republicans have lost all their respect they would screw there mother for a vote.

[savdavid]

Straight out of the Karl Rove play book. It worked to beat McCain in 2000 so everyone is doing dirty *** like this now.

[missingamerica]

Now if this isn''t the definition of what it means to be a successful "Republican" these days...playing two sources of moral guidance against each other for (im/a)moral purposes.

No wonder lying just to start a war is no big deal to them.

[jon2012-2009]

"Such a mailing isn''t surprising for South Carolina politics, a state known for political mudslinging and backdoor maneuvering."

Get real. Such a tactic isn''t surprising for the GOP, the party of the "moral" majority. This party has an ingrained culture of deception and cunning that is making its mark in American history in the presidency of George Bush.

[bdrlnt4rl]

huck says that if everything romney says about him is true, huck would not even vote for himself, think about, if everything that was said about the mormons was true, there would be no mormons. it is called typical antimormon brainwashing, mainly done by the baptist. they are the kings of brainwashing, that is why huck scared me. i love my mormon neighbors. honest and not ashamed to have me, an african american, over for dinner. this card is obvious to be antimormon, and people are yet brainwashed to the goofy things people say.

[bdrlnt4rl]

the bible describes jesus apperance. does that make all people who believe in the bible racist?

[bdrlnt4rl]

Mountain Meadows Massacre in the 1800''''s

Posted by piercetheval

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read up on the history of the mormons in missouri, what they went thru there was nothing compared to Mountain Meadows. it is just that the mormons do not glamourize things and cry and complain like others choose to. the extermination order was lifted in the 1980''s giving permission to kill a mormon on site. look it up. and think twice about your comments.

[nothappyatall]

"There is absolutely no place for it in American politics."

Bullchit, this krap has gone on as long as there''s been politics, it went on along with corruption in the Tammany Hall era.

[gkc99]

"Hutchins said the mailing hurts his temple, which, like the parent Mormon church, stays out of politics. "

Oh yeah, tell that to the people of California where the Mormon Church and the Catholic Church spearheaded the anti-gay marriage initiative. That''s politics!

[chalres-2009]

I don''t get it. If these cards are misquotes, then I see the issue. If not, these are some of their believes and they should stand by them.

[bdrlnt4rl]

Oh yeah, tell that to the people of California where the Mormon Church and the Catholic Church spearheaded the anti-gay marriage initiative. That''''s politics!


Posted by gkc99

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i looked this up, sounds a lot like antimormon stuff. i have learned when people refer to the lds church as the mormon church over and over again, it is usually antimormon related. one needs to look at the whole issue. and plus what good is a church and the people if a church does not let the people know where the church stands on its beliefs. as from what i have seen the church incourages its members to be involved in their community in all aspects. why is this a bad thing? i havent figured that out, but the anti mormon goofs try to twist it to sound bad. it is called brainwashing. it worked on you.

[b-easy63]

"They have no business using that name or referring to the temple," Hutchins said. "It''s a very hurtful thing and creates a misleading impression in peoples'' minds." Hutchins said he alerted Tagg Romney, one of Romney''s sons, and church authorities about the mailings."

What exactly is hurtful and misleading? Are those words and that teaching part of the Mormon belief? If so, why is it hurtful? Because it will keep a Mormon out of the white house? Because is will show the racist side of the church? Because it will cause other Christians to regard Mormonism as blasphemy?

To be unfair--it should also be untrue. If their scriptures do indeed state these things--they have only themselves to blame--if others pull out these words to beat them over the head with. After all, even if they don''t promote it--it IS what they believe and we should know what kind of people we are putting in the White House. Not that Mitt really had a chance anyway.

[b-easy63]

the bible describes jesus apperance. does that make all people who believe in the bible racist?

Posted by bdrlnt4rl at 12:06 PM : Dec 30, 2007


The bible also describes God as having feet like bronze (which is dark brown) and hair like lambs wool (which is frizzy and curly) so what does it all mean? In other scriptures--it says no man can look upon the face of God and live...so where did the descriptions of his hair come from? go figure--God will probably appear to all racists on the day of judgement--in exactly the color they have hated all their times here on earth--then they can explain why they thought so little of HIM and his people...LOL.

That is--to white racists, he will appear ebony black and obviously Negroid. To Black racists, he will be amazingly white and a white person, those Christians who despise Muslims will find themselves facing a God with a headwrap and obviously Arabic and for oriental haters, God will Have oriental features--it would be a hilarious moment--except for all the screaming and lamenting that will be accompanying all of them as they fall through the trap door to hell.

[gkc99]

"Hutchins said the mailing hurts his temple, which, like the parent Mormon church, stays out of politics. "


"i looked this up, sounds a lot like antimormon stuff. i have learned when people refer to the lds church as the mormon church over and over again, it is usually antimormon related. one needs to look at the whole issue. and plus what good is a church and the people if a church does not let the people know where the church stands on its beliefs."--Posted by bdrlnt4rl


A religious authority stated to be of the Mormon faith in the above article, states that his religious organization does not become involved in politics. I say that''s a LIE, based on the involvement of the LDS Church ("the Mormons", as their own ads say) in the anti-gay marriage ballot initiative in California.

Churchs can be involved in politics, although they;re in danger of losing their tax exemption (like the Bushit regime went after an anti-war church), but this article explicitly states that the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints", i.e., "the Mormons" does not do so. That is false.

Righties playing victim again? The poor oppressed Conservative Christians? Bull.

[frb01]

One of the issues that helped settle this country was religious freedom. It is pathetic that in a recent survey 39% of those polled would not vote for a Mormon. This is a country that has all kinds of other issues. But we forget that Bubba Clinton was photographed repeated after Monica walking out of church with a Bible in his hand. Romney has a lot of other presentation issues, his religion should stay out of the mix.

[bdrlnt4rl]

gkc99

you are contridicting youself

[cdfoxtrot]

One of the issues that helped settle this country was religious freedom. It is pathetic that in a recent survey 39% of those polled would not vote for a Mormon. This is a country that has all kinds of other issues. But we forget that Bubba Clinton was photographed repeated after Monica walking out of church with a Bible in his hand. Romney has a lot of other presentation issues, his religion should stay out of the mix.

Posted by frb01

Hard to believe the extreme right are still foaming at the mouth over President Clinton seven years since he''s been out of office. I guess they''ve got nothing else to talk about. And the polls showing that x per cent of people are reluctant to vote for a Mormon maybe say more about the core beliefs of that religion (i.e. a little, shall we say, loopy), than they do about religious intolerance as suggested by some.

[rowdytexan2]

omg! They''re doing it to each other again...shades of the pamphlet mailed out about McCain in the 2000 election that said he''d had an affair with a black woman. It was received in the mail 24 hours before the primary vote and McCain had NO time to fix it. That''s how Dubya stole the primaries. Then the obscure entity that mailed it disappeared into oblivion, rofl

I can''t imagine what the general election is going to be like. I don''t know who is the bigger fool, the ones who mail it thinking people are going to buy it again, or the ones actually buying it.

Not that Mr. Romney has a ghost chance of getting my vote, but this is pretty dastardly. We just don''t need another Dubya clone in the White House.

[sgtrds]

Straight out of the Karl Rove play book. It worked to beat McCain in 2000 so everyone is doing dirty *** like this now.

Posted by savdavid at 11:05 AM : Dec 30, 2007

Yep it does have the Karl Rove stink about it, though not quite as filthy and underhanded as he usually is.

[denn034]

I agree with Holley''s ""It is sad and unfortunate that this kind of deception and trickery has been employed" statement. Regarding Pratt being one of the original Apostles, he was one of the original ones under Mormon founder Joseph Smith. Pratt''s theological views, given the fact that only the Mormon First Presidency and Twelve Apostles combined can speak officially for the church, are irrelevant. Lastly, regarding Mary being "fair and white," isn''t that how she''s portrayed in Catholic and Protestant churches even today?

[p-syrus]

Hilarious! Who thinks this stuff up?

The tragedy is that so many are so STUPID that they believe this sort of cr@p and therefore make it "effective politicking".

What''s needed aren''t "honest politicians" but "intelligent voters".

Pigs''ll fly first.

[denn034]

"refer to the Mountain Meadows Massacre in the 1800''''s to understand my position on this"
Posted by piercetheval

Brigham sent a messenger to tell them to abort the attack when he learned of it. It''s not Brigham''s or the church''s fault for the messenger arriving too late to stop it, that''s the messenger''s fault. It''s wrong to blame Brigham and the church for such under those circumstances. See my book (http://themormonites.blogspot.com/) for more details.

[iceman_1960]

"S.C. Republicans Get Phony Romney Card

Holiday Greeting Card Cites Controversial Passages From Book of Mormon"


I thought Karl Rove retired ????

Wasn"t he behind the "John McCain fathered a black child" whispering campaign years ago.

[denn034]

"racist side of the [Mormon] church"
Posted by b-easy63

The church put it''s racist past behind it when it gave Negroes the priesthood in 1978. Blaming the church today for past mistakes that''re no longer relevant distorts and misrepresents the Mormons.

[iceman_1960]

"Hutchins said he alerted Tagg Romney, one of Romney''s sons, and church authorities about the mailings."

Tagg Romney ?

Why would Mitt give his son a weird name ?

Barack would never do that.

[iceman_1960]

"The church put its racist past behind it when it gave Negroes the priesthood in 1978."
- Posted by denn034 at 04:52 PM : Dec 30, 2007

1978. I remember it well.

That was 10 years after we stopped using the word "Negro."

[denn034]

"That was 10 years after we stopped using the word ''Negro.''"
Posted by Iceman_1960

Too bad the dictionary has yet to be changed.

[denn034]

"a weird name"
Posted by Iceman_1960

And that matters how?

[iceman_1960]

"I think it would be nice if somebody got to the bottom of this," Hutchins said.

[seraphim24]

The Church of Jesus Christ is not a cult. We believe in God- the eternal Father, in his son
Jesus Christ and in the Holy Ghost. We are Christians!
Mitt Romney seems like a very decent man. Do any of you remember when it was such a BIG deal when Kennedy was a Catholic?
Mitt is not trying to convert the nation to Christianity-his desire is to serve us...Having a president who doesn''t drink, smoke, cheat on his wife and who is honest and trustworthy wouldn''t be that bad. He is someone who I wouldn''t be ashamed of having over for dinner-or introducing to my children.
Have a good evening folks!

[will_tyndale]

Come on people. You have seen the Mormon%u2019s come to your aid many times. You know them by their family centered values even if you don%u2019t understand their beliefs. Anyone who wants to understand their religion then go directly to them. They are not difficult to find. They have a Chapel near your home, and missionaries on your street, if not today then tomorrow. They are the fifth largest denomination in America, for Pete%u2019s sake. Don%u2019t just blindly discredit their beliefs because they differ from your own.

What a lame, no good, low blow to send this card. Get a grip. We need a great President. Romney could be one of the best ever. No one has ever become President with such ability to take a has been, in the dumps business and make it a powerhouse. I want that for America. I think this man could do it. And he is the only one the Democrats are afraid of.