Bhutto's Son, Husband To Lead Party

19-Year-Old Oxford Student Made Symbolic Leader; Father Will Take Effective Control

(CBS/AP)  Benazir Bhutto's 19-year-old son - a student with no political experience - was named symbolic leader of her party Sunday, while her husband took effective control, extending Pakistan's most enduring political dynasty.

Shortly after the announcement, all of Pakistan's major parties appeared to agree that elections should take place as scheduled on Jan. 8, despite street violence and political turmoil triggered by Bhutto's assassination. The Election Commission was to discuss the timing of the vote on Monday.

Successful elections would bolster U.S.-backed plans to restore democracy to the nuclear-armed country as it battles rising Islamic extremism.

The decision to place Bilawal Zardari at the head of Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party was first reported by CBS News chief foreign correspondent Lara Logan on Saturday. She also reported that Bilawal would continue his studies at Oxford University, leaving his father as the effective leader of the country's largest political party.

Asif Ali Zardari was officially designated co-chairman of the PPP.

Rioting subsided Sunday after destruction that left at least 44 people dead and caused tens of millions of dollars in damage, but bitterness remained over the government's response to the gun and suicide attack that killed Bhutto.

Meanwhile, amateur video obtained exclusively by Britain's Channel 4 appears to show Bhutto's execution from a new angle. Shots are heard as the former prime minister stands in her vehicle, after which she quickly slumps - either falls or is pulled - down into the SUV.

The video quickly added to the fury and disbelief over the government's claim that Bhutto was killed by a blunt force to the skull, likely during the following explosion, and not by bullet wounds.

The appointment of Bhutto's husband Mr. Zardari was not without its own complications. A former Cabinet minister who spent eight years in prison on corruption accusations, he is known as "Mr. 10 Percent" for allegedly taking kickbacks and is viewed with suspicion by many Pakistanis.

At a Sunday news conference Zardari said the opposition party - Pakistan's largest - had no confidence in the government's ability to bring the killers to justice and urged the United Nations to establish a committee like the one investigating the 2005 assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri.

The decisions on the future of Bhutto's party were made at a closed-door meeting in the sprawling family estate in the south of the country where the two-time former prime minister grew up.

"The party's long struggle for democracy will continue with renewed vigor," Bilawal told a news conference that was repeatedly interrupted by emotional chants from Bhutto's supporters. "My mother always said democracy is the best revenge."

Bhutto's grandfather was a senior figure in the movement that helped Pakistan split from India and lead it to independence in 1947. Her father - Pakistan's first elected prime minister - founded the Pakistan Peoples Party in 1967 and its electoral success since then has largely depended on the Bhutto name.

Bilawal said that Zardari would "take care" of the party while he continued his studies. Zardari then told reporters to direct questions at him, saying his son was at a "tender age."

Zardari, who spent eight years under detention on corruption charges in Pakistan before his release in late 2004, is a power broker who served as investment minister in Bhutto's second government. He has denied the graft charges.

He immediately announced the party's participation in the elections, perhaps sensing sympathy for Bhutto and her family could translate into a strong performance in the polls, but said another party leader, Makhdoom Amin Fahim, would likely be their candidate for prime minister if they won.

He also appealed to the party of former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to reverse an earlier decision to boycott the polls. Sharif's party later agreed.

"It is up to the political parties in Pakistan to choose their leaders," White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said from Crawford, Texas, where President Bush is vacationing.

"We believe it is important for Pakistan to confront extremists and continue on the path to democracy by holding free and fair elections," he said. "The timing of those elections will be up to the Pakistanis."

Tariq Azim, a spokesman for the pro-Musharraf Pakistan Muslim League-Q party, congratulated the decision against seeking a delay in the vote.

"We welcome it, and we are also ready for the contest on Jan. 8," he said after earlier predicting the election may be delayed up to four months.

The British and U.S. governments had been pushing Bhutto, a moderate Muslim seen as friendly to the West, to form a power-sharing agreement with Musharraf after the election - a combination seen as the most effective in the fight against al Qaeda, which is believed to be regrouping in the country's lawless tribal areas.

But many of her supporters have alleged that political allies of Musharraf were behind her killing, which the government has blamed on Islamic militants with links to al Qaeda.

A statement from the British government said Musharraf had agreed to consider "potential international support" to the Pakistani investigation into the assassination, but gave no more details. It also urged Pakistan to go ahead with elections without any "significant delay."

Zardari rejected as "lies" the government's account of how his wife died, amid a dispute over whether she sustained fatal gunshot wounds or was killed by the force of the suicide blast that struck her vehicle as she left a campaign rally on Thursday.

At Zardari's insistence, Bhutto was buried without an autopsy and the debate over her cause of death has undermined confidence in the government and further angered her followers.

No fresh rioting was reported Sunday and Zardari urged supporters to show restraint.

"God willing, when it is the Peoples Party's reign, when the Peoples Party government is formed, then we would have taken revenge for Bibi's blood and that blood would not have gone waste," Zardari said, referring to his late wife by her nickname.

[neoconrcrazy]

pandora''''s box is opening wider - control of pakistan''''s nuclear arsenal is a critical question if the political situation does not stabilize - india must be watching very closely, her silence proof of her concern.

the political turmoil unleashed by bush policies;
- attack, then abandonment of afghanistan
- unwarranted invaison of iraq
- threats against iran

have all served to distabilize and to increase radical political movements within all these countries and internationally.

albeit the afghanistan attack was justified by the presence of OBL, the lack will shown by bush in relation to saudi arabia, home to the 911 terrorists and a major backer of extremely orthodox Wahaabi brand of Islam, stands in stark contrast. The Iraq Study Group asserted that Saudi private citizens, and probably a few members of the Saudi royal family, have been financing the Sunni opposition in Iraq. This is the same opposition that is targeting U.S. troops.

Iraq, subjected to a pre-emptive war whose justifications have been proven false, has greatly inflamed the Muslim world adding fuel to the fire in Pakistan and elsewhere.

Iran has been threatened with military attack, and even the specter of nuclear war was evoked by bush himself.

Without doubt the continued use of military options has not served the security of the US or the world.

Pandora''''s box will free many more unholy surprises if these mistaken policies are not halted.

[mcvet]

Pandora''''''''s box will free many more unholy surprises if these mistaken policies are not halted.


Posted by neoconRcrazy at 06:58 AM : Dec 29, 2007
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The problem is that neocon''s do not have any other policy or plan. They can not sit down and TALK to anyone, we already know this. To them it''s their opinion and that''s all there is. Sieg Heil Bush

[woodjd42]

I agree with you MCVet. It must be real comforting to the bush/chaney supporters to know the whole world is wrong and only bush/chaney right.

[skyk-2009]

I agree with you MCVet. It must be real comforting to the bush/chaney supporters to know the whole world is wrong and only bush/chaney right.


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Posted by woodjd42 at 07:16 AM : Dec 29, 2007
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Yep Sarge is right but what is even more concerning is the FACT that we can''t believe one word Bush say''s. Do we really know what''s going on there? I have serious doubts.

[pcal5]

It is obvious that Musahareef is both a BIG liar and a POOR liar. It is obvious that Bush is in bed with Mushareef with his pants off. It is obvious that Bush is a BIG liar and a POOR liar. Now watch what the brave people in Pakistan do next to their BIG liar. For an in depth analysis of Pakistan, the coming nuclear war and our BIG liars, check out matrix-evolutions dot com.

[emsaund1]

Now, this is funny!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
=NxXPo-qVWJc

[brianbwb-2009]

If the debate is about Bush, Musharraf, and Al Qaeda, then that is the same party, other than that group, what others could not only have the motive?

Sharif perhaps, but he has no "inside men" to coordinate the attack, and let the gunman/bomber through security.

to Posted by neoconRcrazy,

Bush''s failure to capture OBL, (who was apparently getting kidney dialysis in a US owned hospital in Pakistan around that time) and subsequent unrelated destabilization of the Taliban, who were also no threat to us, having had nothing at all to do with 9/11, strongly suggests that the attack on Afghanistan was not justified, but simply more of the same corruption, as Bush was only interested in placing his boy Karzai there to get his pipeline agreement.

[lewiston14]

Do we have to listen to this for the next month?

[forthepeopl1]

this is what you will get with missery hillary as PRESIDENT. she were the same traiter coat as bush/cheney

at all has to do with saudi''s and the king with the help of bush/cheneny.9-11 was all bush/cheney/and the oil countrys


The U.S. military has returned 10 Saudi detainees from the Guantanamo Bay prison to their home country, a Pentagon spokesman said Friday.

The transfer cuts the number of men now held at the isolated U.S. Naval station in southeast Cuba to about 275, a decline of nearly a third in the last year.

About 136 of the 759 people detained at Guantanamo since 2002 have been Saudi, the second-largest group after Afghans. The vast majority have been repatriated - despite the fact that more than 90 percent are still considered a terrorist threat.

The U.S. agreed to return the men with the understanding that Saudi Arabia will mitigate that risk, partly through a state program to reintegrate former detainees into civilian life, said Navy Cmdr. Jeffrey Gordon, a Defense Department spokesman.

Their detention has been a source of strain with Riyadh, a close U.S. ally.

[smtchcose]

i signed in www.interracialloving.com and there were always many men and women talking about Bhutto''s death... you know it is a site where diversely ethnic singles meet new friends, make great dates, and build lasting interracial relationships.

[lewiston14]

Who cares just put them on the hit list. Japan did not give up till it was blown up. rock on

[formrusmcsgt]

"The U.S. government, which sees nuclear-armed Pakistan as a crucial ally in the war on terror, has pushed President Pervez Musharraf to keep the election on track to promote stability, moderation and democracy in Pakistan, U.S. officials said."

One would expect that the administration would be calling for a postponement to allow a candidate to effectively challenge Musharraf if it truly wants to promote democracy, as it says it does.

Musharraf threw out the Supreme Court last fall and replaced it with his hand-picked judges who ruled Sharif inelligible to run.

Now, with Bhutto''s demise, Musharraf stands for election virtually unopposed.

The administration calling for the election to be held under these circumstances while claiming that it supports democracy is laughable AND despicable, not to mention, an insult to one''s intelligence.

[neoconrcrazy]

The administration calling for the election to be held under these circumstances

Posted by formrusmcsgt

if they did make that call (you''ve read it somewhere?) , I''d agree entirely and even go on to say;

1- our government, who pushed Bhutto back into Pakistan, is responsible for her death

2- democracy-building, bush style is a sham

[neoconrcrazy]

whoops - they did!

so it''s Musharraf as the "democratically" elected leader!

they could spared the woman life but not sending her, he would have won anyway.

[hungry1968]

Do we have to listen to this for the next month?

Posted by lewiston14 at 08:49 AM : Dec 29, 2007



No do like all the republicans that post here do - turn off all sources of news, information, and knowledge, then just log on once in a while to these boards to post messages about how our troops should stay in Iraq forever.

[hungry1968]

SMELLS LIKE A CONSPIRACY AND THE UNITED STATES GOVERMENT I''''M SURE IS BEHIND THE ATTACK OF B. BHUTTO...

Posted by V_161877 at 09:51 AM : Dec 29, 2007


I''m sure she was assassinated with Bush''s blessing just like Pat Tillman was.

Turn off your caps please...

[rowdytexan2]

All roads lead back to Musharraf. He will do ANYTHING to stay in power. Now that Bhutto is gone, they will find some prop for Musharraf to win the election.

Today, Musharraf sells himelf to the Bush/Cheney corrupt machine, tomorrow he will sell himself to the Taliban and Al Queda (in my book both of these are the same but just appear to be different entities).

It''s just so strange that this assassination took place in the city almost totally made of the the Pakistan military where security should have been the tightest anywhere. Who let the assassin in? Who brought him in?

And the bull ***** story about bumping her head is just the best lie yet! Their attempt to keep her from being martyred would be laughable if it wasn''t so tragic. God forbid that a woman died a heroine, so let''s just say she bumped her head!

Chaos and terror! The Bush/Cheney motto!

[neoconrcrazy]

Dear President Bush

Thank you for sending Ms. Bhutto back!

Now I can become "democratically" elected dictator just like you! Am so happy I just wet my uniform!
And just think, I get to run alone - now I am one up on you, old friend! Actually, I''m two up, as I even banned my Supreme Court! Try to catch up, if you can.

I couldn''t imagine how wonderful it is to exercise American style democracy, it is so amusing, doing one thing while saying another!

This bin-Laden fellow has really been a gold-mine and don''t worry, I''ll take good care of him for you.

your servant
Musharrah, Pres.

[neoconrcrazy]

Allah Akbar Bush !

Thank you for sending us our jihad warriors back to us. We will re-train them new missions in western infidel world soon!

Thank you Bush for releasing our islamic brothers !

Thank you for not holding us accountable for our 17 islamic brothers who blew up your Towers!

Thank you for driving up oil price and new riches for us !

Thank you King Bush for allowing our esteemed Bin Laden family to be secretly flown out of America without ever having questions by your authorities posed to them!

Finally, thank you Bush for forgetting about Osama, you know, in his heart, he is a good man.

Signed

King Saud, a man who knows money trumps morals

[hungry1968]

He''''s delusional. Pay no attention to this loser.

Posted by singinrick at 10:21 AM : Dec 29, 2007


Hey hypocrite - is name calling considered "acting like a Christian"?

[neoconrcrazy]

I see the islamic jihadist apologists blame it all on Bush

Posted by singinrick


hey, you must like the story about bush "pardoning" saudi jihadists !

your president is a real hard man on "terrorism" !

now the saudis can re-train as cheney said " the worst of the worst at Gitmo"

How are going to win your War on Terror ? Like this?

[realpatriot1]

tuckerndfw,

By your logic the Bush administration deines all that America is and can be. It should be abundantly clear from watching the citizens in the street that the government and military which supported the Taliban does not control the hearts and minds of its own people. Just as the PLA controls the Chinese people but the heroes of Tian An Men Square are still strongest in the herts of the Chinese people don''t make the mistake of judging the people by their corrupt government.

Hopefully the world won''t judge the American people by our government.

[realpatriot1]

FloydZepp,

In the spirit of national reconciliation I would like to attend Daytona with you.

You''ll have to pay for the tickets because I can''t afford it.

[omega39-2009]

Hopefully the world won''''t judge the American people by our government.

Posted by realpatriot1

Your post reminded me of the UK Daily Mirror''s headline on Nov. 3rd 2004, ''How Can 59,054,087 People Be So DUMB?''

[hungry1968]

Hey hungry, anyone who blames the USA and Israel for islamic terrorist is a loser and delusional. It''''s not name calling, it''''s a fact.

Posted by singinrick at 10:49 AM : Dec 29, 2007



Islamic jihadists use terrorism, because they can''t fight the military might of the US backed Israeli military.

That''s how we''re a target. They view us as a branch office of Israel.

[formrusmcsgt]

The administration calling for the election to be held under these circumstances

Posted by formrusmcsgt

if they did make that call (you''''ve read it somewhere?) ,

Posted by neoconRcrazy at 09:50 AM : Dec 29, 2007

This paragraph was from the original article:

"The U.S. government, which sees nuclear-armed Pakistan as a crucial ally in the war on terror, has pushed President Pervez Musharraf to keep the election on track to promote stability, moderation and democracy in Pakistan, U.S. officials said."

[formrusmcsgt]

-Hey hungry, anyone who blames the USA and Israel for islamic terrorist is a loser and delusional. It''''s not name calling, it''''s a fact.

Posted by singinrick at 10:49 AM : Dec 29, 2007

And anyone who thinks that Israel''s apartheid against the Palestinians doesn''t come at a price is daft.

[formrusmcsgt]

Therefore anyone who supports Israel (a Jewish state) is an enemy of Islam to them which is the very reason they attacked us on 9-11-01.

Again, this is simple, EASY research.

Posted by singinrick at 11:09 AM : Dec 29, 2007

For a guy who contends that research is easy, you obviously haven''t done yours, preacherman.

bin Laden stated in his Fatwah that our support of Israel in their apartheid against the Palestinians was what made us his target, not our support for Israel in general.

Read it for yourself.

[hungry1968]

Yes I know this hungry and that''''s why their Quran specifically instructs them to hate Jews, kill them, and hate Christians. Therefore anyone who supports Israel (a Jewish state) is an enemy of Islam to them which is the very reason they attacked us on 9-11-01.

Again, this is simple, EASY research.

Posted by singinrick at 11:09 AM : Dec 29, 2007



Uh huh. Right. Just like your bible specifically prohibits homosexual activity by saying, "those who act effeminate will not inherit the kingdom of god"?

Or it makes one obscure reference to a "leviathan" and that is the bible''s acknowledgment that dinosaurs existed?

Question - How many "leviathans" did noah put on his ark? I''ll bet tyrannosaurus rex had a field day with all that food in such an enclosed space - huh?

Can you point me out to the specific passage in the quran that calls for the destruction of the jews? I looked and can''t find it.

[formrusmcsgt]

Posted by singinrick at 11:14 AM : Dec 29, 2007

Not one of these verse you qouted calls for any kind of attack, rick.

They say don''t run with Jews and Christians. Period.

[formrusmcsgt]

Posted by singinrick at 11:22 AM : Dec 29, 2007

I''m not going to play your silly semantics game that Palestinians don''t even exist.

[thinkharder-]

singinrick, please read below very carefully. This straight from New Testament books (the one perceived as being milder than the Old Testament!):

Matthew:

- Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned "with unquenchable fire." 3:10, 12

- Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn''t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17

-Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." 13:41-42, 50

Mark:

- Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) 7:9-10

-In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not rightly his, and reaps what he didn''t sow. The parable ends with the words: "bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him] hither, and slay them before me." 19:22-27

John:

- The "wrath of God" is on all unbelievers. 3:36

Acts:

- Peter claims that Dt.18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all non-Christians) must be killed. 3:23

All holy books have a level of Zeal, if you care to cherry pick them out and be inspired by them.

[hungry1968]

Posted by singinrick at 11:22 AM : Dec 29, 2007


I can care less one way or the other whether or not you like / love / hate the Muslims / Palestinians / Arabs or anyone else.

I can care less one way or the other whether or not the Muslims like / love / hate the Christians / jews or anyone else.

My concern is for America. If Israel and the Muslims want to fight a religious holy war, then let them go at it. War is how conflicts have been settled for thousands of years - it should be a last resort, but it isn''t.

The main problem is that Israel has no need to try to negotiate a peaceful settlement because they have the military might (and monetary might) of the US backing their every move. If they didn''t have that backing, they would certainly try harder to use diplomacy to resolve their issues. And because America provides Israel with so much in their "holy war" with the Muslims, it''s only natural that the Muslims consider us an enemy as well.

This makes us vulnerable to Islamic jihad.

Anyone with any common sense whatsoever can see this happening. Maybe that''s why it escapes you rick.

[thinkharder-]

Posted by singinrick

I am very sorry I make you sick...didn''t know you were so sensitive. But, I laid down no more an aggressive attack on your book as you have on theirs. You think you book is infallible...you think it is not also filled with violence and torment? I offer no apologies for any level of terrorism, but you should be careful not to attack the arsh visions of a holy book when your book is just as alarming. Here''s an interesting analysis:

Violence and Cruelty
Bible 842
Quran 333

Total verses
Bible -31102
Quran - 6236

Percent

Bible 5.34
Quran 2.71

I think one bible verse really strikes a chord here..."why worry over the splinter in that man''s eye, when there is a plank in your own."

People in glass houses Singin...you know the rest.

[neoconrcrazy]

And anyone who thinks that Israel''''s apartheid against the Palestinians doesn''''t come at a price is daft.
Posted by formrusmcsgt

it''s true and quite amazing that "normal" americans have been duped, misinformed, not informed, all that;
into the simplistic falsehood which consists of saynng that;
"support of israel is supporting our judeo-christian origins" or
"support of israel is atonement for the holocaust" or
"support of israel is in our national interest" or
"support of israel is support for the few against the many"

when the leader of iran, not my favorite to say the least, pointed to the "zionist regime" saying was waiting for it to disappear - he was also referring to the apartheid regime. he words were interpreted to fit the "support israel at any cost" camp.

i am firmly convinced that the intransigent succession of israeli leaders bent on "greater israel" at the cost of the palestinians is a major contributor to international terror & conflict.

i have been labelled "jihadist", "anti-semite", etc. but if that were true, I would encourage israel, not discourage her, to continue down this path of self-destruction.

[thinkharder-]

Singin, I have many peace loving Muslim friends who choose to ignore the 5% of their holy book that is overtly violent just as you have chosen to ignore the 3% of you own books violent words.

We should concentrate on tapping into the good of all people...it''s in there somewhere...I can''t imagine God would have it any other way.

[fibonacci_]

singinrick, you''re starting to sound exactly like me in this forum. you are an atheist in regard to Muslim''s God.

[neoconrcrazy]

singrick should be pleased to hear bush freed another 10 saudi terrorist from Gitmo.....

our fearless Liar-in-chief is letting out the friends and colleagues of the 911 gang, alsong from Saudi (not iraq) - and were described by

RICHARD THE LION HEART CHENEY as "the worst of the worst, intent on killing Americans"

So much for that fear inspiring bs.

[realpatriot1]

tuckerndfw,

I''m not sure where to begin in responding to your illogical rants.

I''ll start with Bush. He''s a minority President, more Americans voted against him than voted for him. As many Americans who voted for him now oppose him as still support him(roughly speaking). Clearly many of his supporters didn''t get what they expected.You don''t need to be a mathmatician to know that 36% approval won''t get anyone elected.

Musharif and the Army know they don''t have majority approval, that''s why they resort to martial law and ruling by the gun barrel. That''s not exactly a stamp of approval from the Pakastani public. I have to ask, have you been paying attention to anything that''s been going on there?

I do believe that the Pakastani military and intelligence services are aligned with the Taliban & Al Quaeda, but not the Pakastani people as a whole.

Sadly, our governement has armed the Jihadists'' protectors who in turn have suppressed the moderate yearning for democracy and progress of its own people.

singinrick,

All parties in the middle east have blood on their hands. The solution lies within those willing to work with moderate forces within all communities to bring about a just peace for all people and it''s the extremists in all 3 faith communities that stand in the way.

[fibonacci_]

singinrick says:
"you people make me sick."

fibonacci says:
"he is one of the sickest people I have ever debated."

[thinkharder-]

singinrick says:
"you people make me sick."

fibonacci says:
"he is one of the sickest people I have ever debated."

ThinkHarder- says:
"he''s a good guy for some funny/bizarre reasons, with an unfortunate bend towards extremist Christianity."

:P

[forthepeopl1]

this is what you will get with missery hillary as PRESIDENT. she were the same traiter coat as bush/cheney

at all has to do with saudi''''s and the king with the help of bush/cheneny.9-11 was all bush/cheney/and the oil countrys


The U.S. military has returned 10 Saudi detainees from the Guantanamo Bay prison to their home country, a Pentagon spokesman said Friday.

The transfer cuts the number of men now held at the isolated U.S. Naval station in southeast Cuba to about 275, a decline of nearly a third in the last year.

About 136 of the 759 people detained at Guantanamo since 2002 have been Saudi, the second-largest group after Afghans. The vast majority have been repatriated - despite the fact that more than 90 percent are still considered a terrorist threat.

The U.S. agreed to return the men with the understanding that Saudi Arabia will mitigate that risk, partly through a state program to reintegrate former detainees into civilian life, said Navy Cmdr. Jeffrey Gordon, a Defense Department spokesman.

Their detention has been a source of strain with Riyadh, a close U.S. ally.

[realpatriot1]

Thinkharder,

I don''t know what an intelligent person like you is doing here but thanks for talking sense!

There are estimated to be 1.8 billion Muslims worldwide who follow the teachings of the Koran.
The number who practice terror can practically be counted on our fingers. If this were not true our troops in the middle east would''ve been exterminated within days.

Ther was an argument on here yesterday where one person was arguing that only 1% of Muslims are involved in terror and actively following violent passages in the Koran. Another said it was more than 1%. Actually it''s not even 1/1000th of 1%.

[fibonacci_]

I used to think singinrick was a good guy, and I guess in some naive sense he is. I doubt he would blow up something personally in the name of Jesus...but he is certainly willing to support wars based on his own belief in the bible and Israel. This is dangerous...because he is most likely wrong about his religion. He is very much like Muslims in this sense.

[videoguy100]

I don''t want to get involved in a conversation with the anti-Israeli/anti-semites here, but I do need to point out that their anti-semitic writing relies upon the same use of inaccuracy that their writing always uses. I couldn''t help but notice that "singinrick" carefully reversed the percentages in his analysis, so as to make the false point that the Bible is more violent than the Quran. (By his own purported statistics, the Bible is only 2.71% violent while the Quran is 5.34% violent. He wrote it up as the reverse. Do the math, Rick.)

[oilfix]

The Afghanistan campaign has stalled for some time and
the costs are mounting. Gaining greater control in
Pakistan may break the stalemate. Revealing are all
the angry words from western powers when their plan
was squashed by powers within Pakistan who believe
more foreign control may not be a good thing. The
elites and their games. It would be better if the
rest of us decided not to play and construct a world
for ourselves.

[thinkharder-]

Posted by realpatriot1 at 12:04 PM : Dec 29, 2007

Cheers,

It''s a tragic, self reinforcing situation going on over there. Of course Islamic extremism is a reflection of the Muslim minority...or else it wouldn''t be called "extremist." There just happens to be a large concentration of anti Western fervor (that is admittedly somewhat fueled by their faith) in this region, but contrary to Singin''s diagnosis it is not our existence that troubles them...it''s our presence. We''re there; they get livid and attack; we send more; they get more p1ssed, and on and on and on. The area needs help in the form of understanding, not revenge fueled ire. The current strategy is creating the opposite of the intended effect, so perhaps our approach should be something directly contrary to our current strategy. Let''s get the h3ll outta there and start shakin hands instead of filling their landscape with more craters.

[neoconrcrazy]

Actually it''''s not even 1/1000th of 1%.

Posted by realpatriot1

don''t tell bush - it''ll ruin his new year!

agree entirely though, but then it would mean "you CAN fool most of the people, most of the time"!

Sad commentary on the state of gov/MSM/the People.

[neoconrcrazy]

I don''''t want to get involved in a conversation with the anti-Israeli/anti-semites here,

Posted by videoguy100

well, you just did dude -

are you saying being against the israeli government policy of aparteid is equivalent to being "anti-semetic?

if you are, you''re a dupe, if not write more clearly.

[walt1944-2009]

To those of us living in the USSA, we are used to political "spin" when it comes to your government telling you the TRUTH! Politicians love to surround the truth with so many lies that the truth becomes so blurred, it''s hard to tell it from the fiction surrounding it.

Examples of this are, naturally, the *** scandals surrounding the Fascist GOP (Wide-stance Larry Craig is a good example) as well as the wealth on confusing misinformation coming from the Oval Office when the Great Emperor Bush has been caught frequently stepping in doo-doo! And who can forget the famous "knowns that are not known" speech given by the spin-master, Donald "the Rummy" Rumsfeld!

So it is not surprising that if one dictator named Musharraf sees another "brother" dictator, The Great Emperor Bush II, doing it, then why shouldn''t he? After all, they are both in the same business, to shred the Constitution and spread the BS!

SIG HEIL, BUSH!!!