Dec. 22, 2007

Hillary Clinton Embraces Husband's Legacy

Washington Post: Former "Co-President" Runs On Bill Clinton's Record And Her White House Experience

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    Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., campaigns in Des Moines, Iowa, with her husband, former president Bill Clinton, Dec. 18, 2007.  (AP Photo/Steve Pope)

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After months of discussion within her campaign over how heavily she should draw on her husband's legacy, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is closing out her Iowa and New Hampshire campaigns in a tight embrace of Bill Clinton's record, helping fuel a debate about the 1990s with Sen. Barack Obama that she thinks she can win.

As part of the Clinton strategy, the former president is playing an increasingly prominent public role as an advocate for his wife. He appears to have overcome concerns within the campaign over how closely she should associate her candidacy with his time in office and over whether his appearances could draw attention away from her.

Both Clintons are making the case that theirs was a co-presidency - an echo of Bill Clinton's controversial statement during the 1992 campaign that voters would get "two for the price of one" if they elected him. At times, the former president has seemed to cast the current race as a referendum on his administration.

Hillary Clinton (N.Y.), the Democratic front-runner nationally but facing strong challenges in Iowa and New Hampshire from Obama, has shifted her emphasis repeatedly over the past few months as the senator from Illinois made inroads in the two states. She has tried to show a more "human" side, and on Friday brought along her daughter, Chelsea, and her mother to events here titled "The Hillary I Know."

She has tried to co-opt the message of change from Obama, declaring that she has been "working for change" her entire life. Over the past week, she injected the phrase "new beginning" into her stump speech.

But the unchanging core of Clinton's message is her experience, and in recent days she has presented the election as a binary choice: between a competent, experienced Clinton and novices such as Obama. "That's the kind of logic that got us George Bush in the first place," she said this week in Iowa.

And the main basis for her assertion is the time she spent as first lady. Bill Clinton is hitting the theme hard as the voting in Iowa and New Hampshire draws closer, pointing back to the 1990s, citing his record as his wife's, referring to the work "we" did in office and, for the most part, brushing past or ignoring the tumult of those years.

Nowhere is the back-to-the-future approach more visible than here in the state where the then-Arkansas governor overcame a scandal to become the self-proclaimed "comeback kid" in the 1992 Democratic primary and to finish second to former senator Paul Tsongas of Massachusetts.

Campaigning here on Friday, Hillary Clinton recalled that voters complained back then about lacking health care, fearing unemployment and facing home foreclosures. "And we listened and we acted and we had the best economy that our country has seen in a generation. And now I'm back in New Hampshire" hearing many of the same complaints, she said.

Obama has made challenging the 1990s a mainstay of his platform, saying it is time to "turn the page" on the partisanship - and implicitly the scandals - of the Clinton era. This is a major part of his case that he is the most electable Democrat, able to expand the electoral base to states where Hillary Clinton is still viewed as polarizing.

But the Clintons regard any discussion of the Nineties to be good for them, evoking memories of a booming economy and a time when the United States enjoyed greater popularity around the world.

Clinton is preparing to make a closing argument to Iowa and New Hampshire voters that would center on the challenges of the presidency, arguing that only she can be trusted to handle the surprises and rigors of the job, according to her senior advisers. That emphasis, on her experience and her track record, makes the previous Clinton administration a vital part of her case.

Right after Christmas, these advisers said, Clinton plans to make the case on national security grounds, citing the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, as evidence that unexpected crises can arise. The argument is in some ways similar to the one President Bush made in 2004, when he campaigned on what he described as his proven leadership in the aftermath of the 2001 attacks and said the terrorist threat called for keeping him in the job. But Clinton is playing on more than just national security concerns, discussing economic security, as well.

"Time to pick a president" is the new theme, which will be unveiled in Iowa next week.

The idea of a restoration - or as the campaign puts it, a "new beginning" - is particularly strong in the speeches Bill Clinton is giving in Iowa and New Hampshire on his wife's behalf.

On Thursday night in Holderness, N.H., the former president returned again and again in his hour-long speech to the achievements of his administration as proof that his wife would be able to bring results if she were elected. Several times, he cited the statistics on the economic gains of the 1990s - the rise in family income, the decline in poverty and in the number of uninsured, and the increase in students obtaining college aid ("I still know the numbers," he said).

He contrasted these gains with what has occurred during the Bush administration, casting the past seven years as a dismal detour or regression in the march of progress that began in the 1990s and would continue with Hillary Clinton's election. "Hillary says, 'My vision is that America must make a new beginning by first rebuilding the middle-class dream,'" he said.

For all his talk about the 1990s, though, the former president does not go into great detail about the role his wife played in his administration, instead simply leaving the impression that she was part of the team that brought about the decade's gains.

He credits her with helping create the Children's Health Insurance Program, after her push for universal health care failed, and he talks about her trips abroad, building ties in foreign countries and speaking out on controversial subjects such as women's rights in Beijing and female genital mutilation in Africa. He briefly mentions her assistance in achieving peace in Northern Ireland and the Balkans.

At times, his pitch for his wife is focused so much on his own accomplishments as president that it almost sounds as if he himself is running for reelection. In a two-hour interview Thursday with the Concord Monitor, he referred to his having made a "terrible mistake" while president, an apparent reference to the Monica S. Lewinsky scandal, and then added: "The voters will have to make their own judgments about that. I've done everything I could, first of all, to try to be a good president and, secondly, to try to be a good after-president."

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by hawksprings December 22, 2007 9:45 AM PST
Does Hillary embrace the Blue Dress?
Does Hillary embrace the explosion of teens having oral sexx because Slick Willy said it wasn''t really sexuall relations?
Does Hillary embrace how Slick Willy hamstrung communication between our intelligence agencies to protect himself but blind us to what terrorists were planning?
Does Hillary embrace how Slick Willy let Bin Laden go when countries were offering him to us?

Does she still use the china she stole from the White House?
Will she bring it back to use again or will she make the tax payers buy her some more?
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by rplat December 22, 2007 10:02 AM PST
Ah yes Hillary . . . the bum nearly destroyed the military; had oral *** in the Oval Office; lied under oath; and, coasted along on a high economic cycle. Only a confused mind could be proud of all this.
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by omega39-2009 December 22, 2007 10:10 AM PST
Wow, the Hillary haters are out in force today. Sorry losers, when Bill left the white house he had a 66% job approval rating. No amount of whining by the the 34% that disapproved of Bill (but coincidently are the only ones believing that Bush is doing a bang-up job) is going to change that.
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by fredgrad2000 December 22, 2007 10:14 AM PST
Two for one!? BS - HIllary was not president; she had tea with leaders'' wives while Bill had the meetings on the issues; HIllary was not allowed in cabinet meetings nor the Pentagon situation room. First lady is "hostess-in-chief", nothing more; to say that qualifies her for President is nothing but more Clintonian Spin.

Bill gets credit in the 1990''s for nothing more than not *** up what was given to him on a silver platter by 2 GREAT presidents. Reagan and Bush 41 left Billy with nothing less than the unchallenged world''s best military (which Billy cut those 26 divisions to 12), a technology boom funded by the R&D tax credits Reagan enacted in 1984, and a nation with no major enemies to face after two resounding victories in the Cold War and the Gulf War. Perhaps some decisive action by Billy, rather than some FBI investigations, could have headed off our major enemie of this century before they became a force (al Qaeda). The 1990''s were a good time for most Americans, but it certainly wasn''t because of what Bill or Hill did; the INHERITED the 90''s; they didn''t cause them!
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by jn122736 December 22, 2007 10:27 AM PST
The surest way for Hillary Clinton to win the presidency would be for Bill to express regret for the embarrassment he put the nation through.
And the best way that can be accomplished is for he AND Hillary to let Americans know that he has changed. That he has asked for and received Her forgiveness. This would do more to gain America%u2019s forgiveness than anything else.

Bill Clinton%u2019s 8 years in office is stellar when compared to this Bush administration, or any administration all the way back to pre 1980,

As a matter of fact in the 2000 election, if Al Gore had embraced Bill Clinton and availed himself of the accomplishments of the administration with him as vice-president the past eight years he would have won in a landslide and we would have been spared this catastrophic Bush administration.
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by excoachken December 22, 2007 10:37 AM PST
I am confused. Does Hillary want to run as her own, liberated person or does she want to run as Bill Clinton''s adviser and right hand woman?
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by rplat December 22, 2007 10:39 AM PST
- Omega29 - 66% approval rating after leaving office . . . nonsense! This statistic is mathematical garbage.
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by omega39-2009 December 22, 2007 10:41 AM PST
- Omega29 - 66% approval rating after leaving office . . . nonsense! This statistic is mathematical garbage.

Posted by rplat a

http://www.pollingreport.com/clinton-.htm
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by excoachken December 22, 2007 10:42 AM PST
To rplat: According to Bob Brinker, nationally respected investment adviser and radio host,"Bill Clinton gave us 8 straight years of economic growth......unparalleled in our history." This was not "coasting" but great leadership! And, if you think he nearly destroyed the military, what impact has the Cowardly Cowboy had upon our military readiness and soldier''s morale?
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by ttfneeyore December 22, 2007 10:59 AM PST
I''m excited at the possibility of another possible 4-8 yrs of a Clinton White House. I know her husband cheated. That has nothing to do with running the White House. That should be between them. I just want to get back to where there is some hope whether it be Clinton or Edwards in office. I''m sorry but I don''t think Obama has enough experience. I think he needs to retain his current position for another 4-8 years and then run and he will win. We are at such an important time in the history of our Country. We can use the experience of a Good Ambassador like Bill Clinton being in the White House to help Hillary Clinton and they have contacts already established. With them in office maybe we can once again become a Country that people love and don''t resent. I just don''t think we can keep pouring billions into Iraq when it just gets blown up again and our National debt keeps growing. The middle class need heavy tax breaks so we can make ends meet and it seems to me that the republicans give the tax breaks to the richest.
Anyway I just want a change for the good. I feel that maybe there is some hope for us but it will take the new president 2 years at least to half way clean up the mess that we are in now. Maybe all 4 of the years regardless of whomever they are. May God Bless America and Please God You Know Who the Best Is. Please Put Them In Office Whomever it is.
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by hawksprings December 22, 2007 11:08 AM PST
The Clintons and their blindly obedient lap dogs also known as The Mainstream Media are CLUELESS as to how many Americans thought the Clinton Presidency was a disaster on MANY levels.
Plus the guy never got even 50% of Americans to vote for him.

Good luck with that strategy Hillary.
I''m sure a focus group told you to do it. At least in the Primaries.
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by sdindepedant December 22, 2007 11:10 AM PST
So let me understand this...She of course embraces the Clinton policies. I remember he invented the 3 hour day for time clock employees so the didn''t have to be paid benefits..... balance the corporate books on the backs of employees and he could claim millions of new jobs created...I wonder if that was her contribution, something she learned while on the Wal-Mart board of directors......Yes, lets bring them back, they can stuff more money into the Caymen islands while the working class pays the bills.
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by piercetheval December 22, 2007 11:11 AM PST
To suggest that America was attacked and our inability to wrap things up in Iraq is due to Clintons weakening the military is like trying to blame Jesus'' crucifixion because he said to turn the other cheek. The only thing the Republicans have tried to achive these last 60 years or so is to undo Roosevelts'' new deal and make themselves rich with oil money. Do you for one second believe we would be fighting in Iraq this very moment if there wasn''t any oil there? We were attacked when that pisant Bush was elected and for that reason.
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by sdindepedant December 22, 2007 11:12 AM PST
So let me understand this...She of course embraces the Clinton policies. I remember he invented the 3 hour day for time clock employees so the didn''t have to be paid benefits..... balance the corporate books on the backs of employees and he could claim millions of new jobs created...I wonder if that was her contribution, something she learned while on the Wal-Mart board of directors......Yes, lets bring them back, they can stuff more money into the Caymen islands while the working class pays the bills.
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by prinzowhales December 22, 2007 11:19 AM PST
b48151 asks, quite rightly..."Who could really be stupid enough to vote for this piece of trash?"
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The answer is the same people who voted for Bush43, Kerry, Gore, Billy Blythe Clinton, Bush41, Dole...

The same people who have sat idly by while the Constitution has been overturned by a cabal of evil men...men who murdered 3,000 Americans on 9-11 to provide the psychological peg that Americans could hang upon a rationalization for their support of the wars of aggression in the Middle East waged by the monsters in the City and on Wall Street and their ''pet goats'' at Downing Street and on Pennsylvania Avenue.

The same people who will be supporting Romney, Hucksterbee, Giuliani, McCain, Obama, Edwards and the like...These are the kind of people who would be stupid enough to vote for Hillary Clinton.
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by omega39-2009 December 22, 2007 11:22 AM PST
Yes, lets bring them back, they can stuff more money into the Caymen islands while the working class pays the bills.
Posted by SDindepedant

Of course even on that so called 3 hour workday you were paying only a dollar something for gasoline and the cost of food and utilities wasn''t rising exponentially as the currency you were paid in became more and more worthless. You''re right, I want to elect more cheap labor conservatives and see the money flow to Dubai instead.
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by omega39-2009 December 22, 2007 11:28 AM PST
Posted by Prinzowhales

Dude, don''t rock the plutocracy.
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by jn122736 December 22, 2007 11:53 AM PST
I am confused. Does Hillary want to run as her own, liberated person or does she want to run as Bill Clinton''''s adviser and right hand woman?
Posted by exCoachKen at 10:37 AM : Dec 22, 2007
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Hillary is running, as herself, for president and will have the best president we have had in over 3 decades at her side, as an advisor.

I would rather have Edwards as president, Hillary as vice-president and Bill as advisor to both, but If Hillary gets the nomination I will vote for her, and hopefully, Edwards, as vice-president.
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by pepperp1 December 22, 2007 11:56 AM PST
....between a competent, experienced Clinton and novices such as Obama. "That''s the kind of logic that got us George Bush in the first place," she said this week in Iowa.


Yes to be sure....Obama mains thrust has been to ask us to HOPE what he is telling you is true on faith, with no record to support that fact, and no performance to substantiate he has capabilities other than emotion projected on him by others. Obama has displayed a personality not substance, he cant debate appears, slow in his thinking when questioned, and a record number of IF for a Man who claims he would be the one to offer Truths, IFs, IF I would have shown up and voted, IF I would have been in the Senate to vote at all, IF I would have voted Yeah or Nay instead of Present trust me it would have been different, IF the American People get it I can fix it......guys this is a follower and followers have big puppeteers, his may be more moral than the Bush crowd but could we not this time elect the puppet master instead of the puppet. Stop fearing capable people get over you fear of inadequacy look beyond the marketing package we don%u2019t need HOPE or Change for the sake of change IF, we need ethical Competent leadership; remind yourselves you are electing a Powerful Leader who can kill through war, tens of thousand of people in your name or with blunders inaction and laziness allow thousands of Americans to die needlessly.
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by barbjc1 December 22, 2007 12:01 PM PST
Again, if Hillary Clinton does not get the Democratic nomination, I will write in vote (if I have to) for Ron Paul. Obama, uses to many "ifs" and never looks anyone in the eye. Edwards is a rich lawyer with eyes on the White House or is it his wife.
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by missingamerica December 22, 2007 12:03 PM PST
This is puzzling - why would you want to "embrace" the record of a man who is doomed to be named by history as "The Man Who Offshored America''s Middle Class"?
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by mcvet December 22, 2007 12:06 PM PST
The Clintons and their blindly obedient lap dogs also known as The Mainstream Media are CLUELESS as to how many Americans thought the Clinton Presidency was a disaster on MANY levels.
Plus the guy never got even 50% of Americans to vote for him.

Good luck with that strategy Hillary.
I''''m sure a focus group told you to do it. At least in the Primaries.


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Posted by hawksprings at 11:08 AM : Dec 22, 2007
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Question? What would a southern Fascist and supporter of the WORST President in US history know about what American''s think? The last time I checked Clinton STILL had an approval rating DOUBLE that pathetic Klan Man you call a President. I know the folks around here sure have great feelings for President Clinton. I also, know at the end of his term we were AGAIN starting to talk about things to help WE the People again because we were going to pay off the debt run up by decades of "trickle down" and we''d still have enough money left to get us by the Social Security Crisis... that''s all just a memory now but it IS a memory for MOST of us outside the fascist south. Sieg Heil Y''all.
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by pepperp1 December 22, 2007 12:08 PM PST
if Hillary Clinton does not get the Democratic nomination, I will write in vote (if I have to) for Ron Paul. Obama, uses to many "ifs" and never looks anyone in the eye. Edwards is a rich lawyer with eyes on the White House or is it his wife.


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Posted by BarbJC1 at 12:01 PM : Dec 22, 2007


What are your thoughts on Bloomberg if he runs?
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by samthetvcat December 22, 2007 12:11 PM PST
"I just don''''t think we can keep pouring billions into Iraq when it just gets blown up again and our National debt keeps growing. The middle class need heavy tax breaks so we can make ends meet and it seems to me that the republicans give the tax breaks to the richest."
Posted by TTFNEeyore

A couple of points - first is that everybody, EVERYBODY, is offering tax cuts to the middle class, even Mitt Romney because the economy''s in the toilet and it''s a way to encourage spending.

Second point is that aside from the tax cuts, Hillary''s listed no other plans for reviving the economy other than investing in education and innovation in the hopes that we have another internet boom.

Contrary to the polls, Billary''s going to get slaughtered if the go against Mitt in the general election because his plan to revive the economy is SOLID - it''s innovative, thorough, and viable. His flip-flopping becomes a non-issue next to Hillary''s, and either trumps Hillary on ''experience'' or turns people off with ''Billary''. Worst yet, his ace in the hole is that he''s silent on Iraq - if he too promises withdrawal, Billary''s screwed.

I''d like to hear more about how Hillary intends to position herself against general election candidates to get a sense of how she''s going to win because I''ve got serious doubts about her ''electability''. Actually we should probably be looking at this seriously with Barack and Edwards too in the coming weeks just to make sure . . .
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by light4u December 22, 2007 12:14 PM PST
Vote Ron Paul.
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by samthetvcat December 22, 2007 12:14 PM PST
PS Romney also trumps Hillary on likeability and he too is a ''genius'' . . .
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by rohink-2009 December 22, 2007 12:16 PM PST
Do you for one second believe we would be fighting in Iraq this very moment if there wasn''''t any oil there? We were attacked when that pisant Bush was elected and for that reason.

Posted by piercetheval
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Are you saying that we weren''t attacked prior to Bush being elected? What about the first World trade center bombing? Here are some others.
Oct. 12 2000 USS Cole bombing
Aug. 7 1998 bombs destroy U.S. Embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. There are numerous examples. Once Bush is out of office, and a Democrat is elected in his place. The world will love us again.
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by samthetvcat December 22, 2007 12:17 PM PST
PPS We might be okay if the same dorks who voted for Shrub actually buy into the idea that the surge is ''working'' (LOL ;) ) because then they''ll support McCain and Iraqis who want the troops the f out of their country''ll start bombing the heck out of each other and the troops to make that happen.

McCain ''08! (lol!)
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by erichsh December 22, 2007 12:19 PM PST
Now if Hillary were the front-running Republican, you can expect the usual whack-a-mole, target-shooting kind of article, not this kind of warm, fuzzy profile. But I''m used to it.
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by netscaper113 December 22, 2007 12:19 PM PST
Hillary can''t have it both ways... either she has already served 2 terms and is ineligible to run under the 22nd Amendment, or else she was the chief adviser to the most corrupt and liberal administration in the last 60 years, which means she is not fit to hold public office.

Either way, I''m not voting for her.
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by gladiatorsta December 22, 2007 12:20 PM PST
I hope she wins. she will be a great president!
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by erichsh December 22, 2007 12:20 PM PST
BTW SamTheTVCat, your dork Harry Reid acknowledged just the other day that the surge was working. Guess you''re not on board yet though.
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by samthetvcat December 22, 2007 12:22 PM PST
neoconism, I think we''re okay with McCain . . . kind of scary to see the match-up polls that show him winning, but the surge is already starting to wind down and violence might start to go up again, especially if the Republitards start to talk about staying there indefinitely
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by hawksprings December 22, 2007 12:22 PM PST
Yeah McVet, And Slick Willy''s approval rating is quadruple that of Peloozy and her Congress of Bozos.
So what? He''s not president of the Oral Office any more.
If Slick Willy was so beloved, why did he only get 42% and 49% of the electorate in his 2 elections?

What''s really funny about his presidency is that after his first 18 months in office, people were so disgusted with his presidency that it created an historic landslide victory for the GOP, and gave them the House and the Senate for the first time in 40 years!!! Democrat congressmen were switching to the Republican party in droves.

Or don''t you remember all of that?

And after that happened, all Slick Willy could do was swallow whatever Congress gave him. (Much like Monica had to.)

All of his "acheivements" were due to Republican legislation that he signed.

Oh, and then there was how he singlehandedly hamstrung our intelligence community, forbidding communication between the CIA and FBI to protect his sexuall escapades from being fully disclosed, which had the small side effect of essentially blinding us to what Bin Laden and Al Qaeda were planning under his watch.

But McVet, you go right on in your little fairy land believing Clinton was a great president.

History will place him down by Carter.
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by samthetvcat December 22, 2007 12:25 PM PST
"BTW SamTheTVCat, your dork Harry Reid acknowledged just the other day that the surge was working. Guess you''''re not on board yet though."
Posted by erichsh

The surge has definitely shown results . . . my predictions as to the future go deeper into the problem and contemplate WHY the surge has worked. Is it because Iraqis believe democracy really is possible or is it because they believe the American public are only going to elect a President who supports withdrawal? If it''s the latter and people change their mind . . .
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by omega39-2009 December 22, 2007 12:28 PM PST
Hillary can''''t have it both ways... either she has already served 2 terms and is ineligible to run under the 22nd Amendment, or else she was the chief adviser to the most corrupt and liberal administration in the last 60 years, which means she is not fit to hold public office.

Either way, I''''m not voting for her.
Posted by netscaper113

LOL!! Riggghhht, we average 2-3 stories a day about Bush obstructing this investigation or Bush stonewalling that investigation. When the Republicans were going over Clinton''s Christmas card list or playing CSI with a blue stained dress, Clinton wasn''t telling people to ignore congressional subpoenas or insisting that people not be put under oath or no record be taken of their testimony.
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by hawksprings December 22, 2007 12:31 PM PST
Omega,
Have you forgotten how many of Clinton''s camp fled the country to escape subpeonas?
Have you forgotten how many of Clinton''s camp were indicted?
Have you forgotten how many time Hillary, the supposed smartest woman on the planet, the genius, said "I don''t remember" under oath?
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by omega39-2009 December 22, 2007 12:32 PM PST
But McVet, you go right on in your little fairy land believing Clinton was a great president.

History will place him down by Carter.

Posted by hawksprings

And history will place "Dubya" at the very bottom.
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by pepperp1 December 22, 2007 12:33 PM PST
PS Romney also trumps Hillary on likeability and he too is a ''''genius'''' . . .


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Posted by SamTheTVCat at 12:14 PM : Dec 22, 2007
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Who cares, I prefer blondes, we are not going to elect a Soap Star or Cult Leader but a President with the power to kill in the name of We the People tens of thousands of people through war, not to mention I personally think Romney is a phony and not a great campaigner as was Gore, but I also dont want to elect someone just because his personality is likable. Romeny would not be my choice because he has attacked groups of people because it is politcally popular to do so and that is wrong.
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by omega39-2009 December 22, 2007 12:34 PM PST
mega,
Have you forgotten how many of Clinton''''s camp fled the country to escape subpeonas?
Have you forgotten how many of Clinton''''s camp were indicted?
Have you forgotten how many time Hillary, the supposed smartest woman on the planet, the genius, said "I don''''t remember" under oath?

Posted by hawksprings

Do tell, we''re still waiting to see who wrote Cheney''s energy bill and why Bush''s 9/11 testimony had to be done behind closed doors with no record and Dickie at his side.
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by samthetvcat December 22, 2007 12:36 PM PST
"Who cares, I prefer blondes, we are not going to elect a Soap Star or Cult Leader but a President with the power to kill in the name of We the People tens of thousands of people through war, not to mention I personally think Romney is a phony and not a great campaigner as was Gore, but I also dont want to elect someone just because his personality is likable. Romeny would not be my choice because he has attacked groups of people because it is politcally popular to do so and that is wrong."
Posted by pepperp1

Gee, I never would have guessed seeing as you''re so pissed off at men . . . the swing voters are the Independents and THEY care, which is why I care. Not everybody feels the same way you do . . .
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by kennedy7955 December 22, 2007 12:39 PM PST
The Clinton legacy is solid. When Bill Clinton left office the US had a $1 trill surplus.

Bush will leave office with a $9 trill deficit, a war with no end in sight, the dollar at $1.50/Euro, an economy floundering - all while nearly every other country is experiencing a boom. History books will record his crimes and the inaction of congress to impeach him.

Hillary is our best chance of getting the country out of the mess we''re in...
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by samthetvcat December 22, 2007 12:41 PM PST
"FACT: 65% of Americans say the country is headed in the wrong direction. Not one of these people will be voting Republicon in November, 2008. So tell US ConDumbs, how you gonna win the presidency with the tepid support of only 35% of the populace?"
Posted by neoconism

You know what''s the problem neoconism is that approximately the same number of people intensely dislike Hillary, and probably the same number of people think Barack is too young and that Edwards is too far left. I just think we really need to not take ''electability'' for granted and make SURE whoever gets the nomination really is bulletproof. Better safe than stuck with another RepubliCON for another 4 to 8 years (yikes!!!!!)
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by samthetvcat December 22, 2007 12:43 PM PST
"Most independents are former Republicons that are so ashamed of having been Repubicon, that they say instead they are independents, yet they still vote Republicon, so you are not a true independent. Name one Democrat for president that you have ever voted for?"
Posted by neoconism

Wow, hello I''m a Democrat - and that was my point - that if Independents are deciding the election, then aren''t they more likely to vote for Mitt than Hillary?

PS I voted for Gore and Kerry
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by omega39-2009 December 22, 2007 12:45 PM PST
You know what''''s the problem neoconism is that approximately the same number of people intensely dislike Hillary, and probably the same number of people think Barack is too young and that Edwards is too far left. I just think we really need to not take ''''electability'''' for granted and make SURE whoever gets the nomination really is bulletproof. Better safe than stuck with another RepubliCON for another 4 to 8 years (yikes!!!!!)

Posted by SamTheTVCat

You know, you''re confusing people that don''t like Hillary with people that are going to vote Republican. Hillary is probably my last choice on the Democratic ticket and I won''t be voting for her in the primaries. If she gets the nomination though, I will definitely vote for her over another Republican.
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by samthetvcat December 22, 2007 12:49 PM PST
"The Clinton legacy is solid. When Bill Clinton left office the US had a $1 trill surplus.

Bush will leave office with a $9 trill deficit, a war with no end in sight, the dollar at $1.50/Euro, an economy floundering - all while nearly every other country is experiencing a boom. History books will record his crimes and the inaction of congress to impeach him.

Hillary is our best chance of getting the country out of the mess we''''re in... "

Posted by kennedy7955

What alarms me is that RepubliCONS aren''t going to attribute the boom of the 90''s to the Clintons but rather the internet if Billary can''t point to what it is they did that is replicable today. Hillary doesn''t list ANY plan for reviving the economy on her website. In contrast Mitt Romneys plan is stunning, and the independents will notice the difference.
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by samthetvcat December 22, 2007 12:51 PM PST
"You know, you''''re confusing people that don''''t like Hillary with people that are going to vote Republican. Hillary is probably my last choice on the Democratic ticket and I won''''t be voting for her in the primaries. If she gets the nomination though, I will definitely vote for her over another Republican."
Posted by omega39

But are you voting against the Republicons or are you voting based on issues . . . I''m talking about how Independents think . . .
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by omega39-2009 December 22, 2007 12:53 PM PST
Hillary doesn''''t list ANY plan for reviving the economy on her website. In contrast Mitt Romneys plan is stunning, and the independents will notice the difference.
Posted by SamTheTVCat

I haven''t read Romney''s plan but unless it includes a way to stop high paying jobs from being outsourced while nothing but low wage, no benefit jobs are created here, then it really isn''t much of a plan.
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by prairiefox1 December 22, 2007 12:55 PM PST
Hillary Clinton Embraces Husband''s Legacy::::
AND WHO WILL SHE HAVE UNDER HER DESK?
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by omega39-2009 December 22, 2007 12:57 PM PST
But are you voting against the Republicons or are you voting based on issues . . . I''''m talking about how Independents think . . .

Posted by SamTheTVCat

I''m voting on my economic interests and the "rights" enumerated to me in the constitution. The Republican party has done a terrible job under Bush and to a man the Republican candidates have promised to be Bush light.
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