Dec. 16, 2007

What Makes A "Good" Christmas?

Ben Stein Says It's Not What Under Your Tree But What's In Your Heart

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    December is certainly a time for shopping, but consumers may lose sight of other matters at hand. Contributor Ben Stein offers his opinion on the true meaning of the holiday season.

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    Ben Stein says a "good" Christmas has nothing to do with what's on your shopping list.  (AP)

(CBS)  Just nine shopping days to Christmas? Our contributor Ben Stein doesn't think that's a good way to count down, or to THINK, about the holiday.


I keep seeing in the newspapers that it might not be a "good" Christmas because while visits to stores are up, purchases per visit are down very slightly.

There is also some fear that it might not be a "good" holiday season because fears about the housing correction will scare shoppers into keeping their wallets zipped.

I'm fascinated by this, because I have looked through a Concordance of the Old and New Testaments and I do not find the word "shopping" even once.

I'm not sure when the idea got to be dominant that a "good" Christmas was about total spending, but here respectfully are some alternative suggestions:

Maybe a good Christmas for this most blessed of nations would be when we as a nation and as communities made sure the homeless had a warm, safe place to sleep.

Maybe a good Christmas would not be about buying your kids the latest gizmo for listening to obscene lyrics, but about teaching them that if they are fortunate enough to have extra time or extra money, they can help out at the old age home or at the local animal shelter.

Maybe a good time would not be buying your parents sweaters they will never use, but taking a trip to see them and telling them how much you appreciate that they spent the heart of their lives taking care of you, feeding you, teaching you, putting a roof over your head, warming you with their love and concern.

Maybe the best time of all would be telling your husband or your wife or love partner that you would be lost without him or her and that you're sorry for the selfish things you did that year, and you'll be better next year.

Christmas and Hanukah presents rarely fit and rarely are to your taste. They sit in your closet and collect dust forever.

But gifts in this special, sacred time of love and caring to your family, your friends, and your neighborhood - those are never forgotten. They bring peace of mind for years.

And I seem to recall from my vanished youth that this is the holiday of the prince of peace, not the queen of diamonds.

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by johnshaft4 December 16, 2007 10:54 AM PST
This is an interesting piece of hypocrisy from a man whose "faith" killed Christ.
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by pearl26-2009 December 16, 2007 11:16 AM PST
ben stiens opinion/lecture on chrismas was truly out of context today. he is of jewish decent, and he doesnt seem to realize that most christans do these lecutred things on weekly or daily basis, we as americans give always and what is wrong with giving a gift to people you love. after expressing gratitude and apperciation all year, an inexpensive winter warmer is a great way to show apperciation. we as christians express gratitude and help to strangers all year, at least they give us day off to dinner with family. the way i see it: boycott communism (china), save christianity, eat more pork and stop liberalism (aka communism) so please stop having jewish peopple lectureing us about chrsitan holidays, we dont tell them how to behave on their holidays.
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by freerev December 16, 2007 11:30 AM PST
Basically, I love everything Ben has to say about what makes a "good Christmas". I''ve been saying these things for years. Consumerism, marketing and the media have taken over our most sacred Holy-day and caused us to believe our value lies in what we get and what we can give. Giving gifts is not the bad part of Christmas. The bad part is when we make giving gifts the entire focus of our Christmas activities, events and gatherings. It took a Jewish person, Jesus, to straighted things up 2007+ years ago when the religious lost track of what God really wants. It doesn''t bother me that Ben is not a Christian commenting on a Christian holiday. Being on the outside makes it easier to see more clearly the inconsistencies of another''s ways.
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by dalleys December 16, 2007 11:31 AM PST
Ben Stein''s commentary this morning was well thought, well spoken and well received. It made me look up, take notice and reconsider the way I am preparing for the Christmas season.

While I appreciate the fact that everyone is entitled to an opinion of Mr. Stein and his message, I choose to be impressed by a man that does not necessarily share my faith, but is able to articulate (in a tone that I did not perceive as condescending) the true meaning of one of my most cherished holidays.

To Mr. Stein, I wish a Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays or whatever version of good tidings he may accept. In this season of celebration, I vote for peace on earth, good will toward men, no matter what that man may accept, believe or proclaim.
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by freerev December 16, 2007 11:32 AM PST
Basically, I love everything Ben has to say about what makes a "good Christmas". I''ve been saying these things for years. Consumerism, marketing and the media have taken over our most sacred Holy-day and caused us to believe our value lies in what we get and what we can give. Giving gifts is not the bad part of Christmas. The bad part is when we make giving gifts the entire focus of our Christmas activities, events and gatherings. It took a Jewish person, Jesus, to straighted things up 2007+ years ago when the religious lost track of what God really wants. It doesn''t bother me that Ben is not a Christian commenting on a Christian holiday. Being on the outside makes it easier to see more clearly the inconsistencies of another''s ways.
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by freerev December 16, 2007 11:35 AM PST
Basically, I love everything Ben has to say about what makes a "good Christmas". I''ve been saying these things for years. Consumerism, marketing and the media have taken over our most sacred Holy-day and caused us to believe our value lies in what we get and what we can give. Giving gifts is not the bad part of Christmas. The bad part is when we make giving gifts the entire focus of our Christmas activities, events and gatherings. It took a Jewish person, Jesus, to straighted things up 2007+ years ago when the religious lost track of what God really wants. It doesn''t bother me that Ben is not a Christian commenting on a Christian holiday. Being on the outside makes it easier to see more clearly the inconsistencies of another''s ways.
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by vinnienet729 December 16, 2007 11:44 AM PST
Ben Stein''s message was about the over emphasis of Christmas shopping, and true value of human relationships. Shame on those self-professed "Christians" whose anti-Semitic comments were not based on the teachings of Jesus Christ, but their dislike of a Jewish man doing an Op Ed piece about American social values. Try to remember, folks, Jesus was a Jewish man, and according to the Bible, The Son of God. He (Jesus) would definitely not agree with your rejection of Ben Stein''s message.
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by freerev December 16, 2007 11:45 AM PST
Basically, I love everything Ben has to say about what makes a "good Christmas". I''ve been saying these things for years. Consumerism, marketing and the media have taken over our most sacred Holy-day and caused us to believe our value lies in what we get and what we can give. Giving gifts is not the bad part of Christmas. The bad part is when we make giving gifts the entire focus of our Christmas activities, events and gatherings. It took a Jewish person, Jesus, to straighted things up 2007+ years ago when the religious lost track of what God really wants. It doesn''t bother me that Ben is not a Christian commenting on a Christian holiday. Being on the outside makes it easier to see more clearly the inconsistencies of another''s ways.
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by jenniferfry December 16, 2007 11:47 AM PST
I could not agree more with Ben. It''s sickening to see such emphasis on material things. I really believe the true meaning has been lost.
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by freerev December 16, 2007 11:49 AM PST
Basically, I love everything Ben has to say about what makes a "good Christmas". I''ve been saying these things for years. Consumerism, marketing and the media have taken over our most sacred Holy-day and caused us to believe our value lies in what we get and what we can give. Giving gifts is not the bad part of Christmas. The bad part is when we make giving gifts the entire focus of our Christmas activities, events and gatherings. It took a Jewish person, Jesus, to straighted things up 2007+ years ago when the religious lost track of what God really wants. It doesn''t bother me that Ben is not a Christian commenting on a Christian holiday. Being on the outside makes it easier to see more clearly the inconsistencies of another''s ways.
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by ki8911 December 16, 2007 11:50 AM PST
Are the first 2 posters "Christian"? Wow, talk about hypocrisy. Judaism did not kill Jesus. Jesus was considered a politically and socially dangerous rabbi to the Roman rulers & the puppet Jewish government. He was a threat to the status quo. Remember folks, Jesus was not a White Guy with Blue Eyes, he was a Hebrew. For all we know, Jesus could have been this chubby guy with no beard.
Christians who are insecure in their faith tend to bristle when someone brings up some truths. In fact, hey, that happens with Muslims & Hebrews too!
Read the sentiment; Christmas is not about how many toys you have under the tree, it''s the people around the tree & beyond, your family, friends and caring for those less fortunate, now that is the real gift. Once upon a time, a young man was trying to inspire folks to try a different way treating each other, with kindness, compassion and love, & in doing so was honoring & worshipping God. His message is still there, too bad people still aren''t listening. And this post is from someone who not affiliated with any religion.
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by stephaniefri December 16, 2007 11:54 AM PST
Politically speaking I have seldom agreed with anything Ben Stein has had to say although I used to watch his game show religiously, which brings me to this morning%u2019s commentary. Today Ben spoke to the heart of what I%u2019ve been writing on my own blog since Black Friday. This year, instead of spending hundreds of dollars that went into the pockets of retailers, we are giving the gift of experiences to each other and our loved ones. Making a memory that will last a lifetime makes more sense than giving something that eventually will wind up in the landfill. Ben, you%u2019ve won my heart.
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by freerev December 16, 2007 11:55 AM PST
Basically, I love everything Ben has to say about what makes a "good Christmas". I''ve been saying these things for years. Consumerism, marketing and the media have taken over our most sacred Holy-day and caused us to believe our value lies in what we get and what we can give. Giving gifts is not the bad part of Christmas. The bad part is when we make giving gifts the entire focus of our Christmas activities, events and gatherings. It took a Jewish person, Jesus, to straighted things up 2007+ years ago when the religious lost track of what God really wants. It doesn''t bother me that Ben is not a Christian commenting on a Christian holiday. Being on the outside makes it easier to see more clearly the inconsistencies of another''s ways.
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by mdbaker62 December 16, 2007 12:58 PM PST
IT TAKES A PERSON LIKE BEN TO VOICE AN OPINION ABOUT WHAT CHRISTMAS IS ALL ABOUT. YEARS AGO I CAN REMEMBER CHRISTMAS AS FAMILY GETTING TOGETHER TELLING STORIES AND SHARING TIME FROM A BUSY WORLD. TODAY I LOOK UPON CHRISTMAS AS BEN DOES AS NOTHING MORE THAN GREED. WE HAVE LOST SIGHT OF WHAT CHRISTMAS IS. A SAVIOR WAS BORN TO SAVE MANKIND. IT IS NOT A TIME TO ASK WHAT AM I GETTING BUT IT IS A TIME TO REFLECT THAT IN THE ALMIGHTY''S GOODNESS FOR MAN AND NOW THAT MANKIND IS SUFFERING SO MUCH AND YET FOR ONE NIGHT MAN CAN SAY TO HIMSELF GOD LOVES ME. THIS CHRISTMAS I WILL LIGHT A CANDLE FOR THOSE WHO JUDGE OTHERS. GOD BLESS ALL THE BEN STEINS OF THIS WORLD WHO HELPS US TO REMEMBER WHAT IS IMPORTANT.
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by mdbaker62 December 16, 2007 12:59 PM PST
IT TAKES A PERSON LIKE BEN TO VOICE AN OPINION ABOUT WHAT CHRISTMAS IS ALL ABOUT. YEARS AGO I CAN REMEMBER CHRISTMAS AS FAMILY GETTING TOGETHER TELLING STORIES AND SHARING TIME FROM A BUSY WORLD. TODAY I LOOK UPON CHRISTMAS AS BEN DOES AS NOTHING MORE THAN GREED. WE HAVE LOST SIGHT OF WHAT CHRISTMAS IS. A SAVIOR WAS BORN TO SAVE MANKIND. IT IS NOT A TIME TO ASK WHAT AM I GETTING BUT IT IS A TIME TO REFLECT THAT IN THE ALMIGHTY''S GOODNESS FOR MAN AND NOW THAT MANKIND IS SUFFERING SO MUCH AND YET FOR ONE NIGHT MAN CAN SAY TO HIMSELF GOD LOVES ME. THIS CHRISTMAS I WILL LIGHT A CANDLE FOR THOSE WHO JUDGE OTHERS. GOD BLESS ALL THE BEN STEINS OF THIS WORLD WHO HELPS US TO REMEMBER WHAT IS IMPORTANT.
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by hadleyrille December 16, 2007 1:00 PM PST
I can tell you now that one of the best presents I will receive this holiday is Ben Stein''s most beautiful interpretation of what the Christmas season really means. Thank you, Mr. Stein
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by mdbaker62 December 16, 2007 1:01 PM PST
IT TAKES A PERSON LIKE BEN TO VOICE AN OPINION ABOUT WHAT CHRISTMAS IS ALL ABOUT. YEARS AGO I CAN REMEMBER CHRISTMAS AS FAMILY GETTING TOGETHER TELLING STORIES AND SHARING TIME FROM A BUSY WORLD. TODAY I LOOK UPON CHRISTMAS AS BEN DOES AS NOTHING MORE THAN GREED. WE HAVE LOST SIGHT OF WHAT CHRISTMAS IS. A SAVIOR WAS BORN TO SAVE MANKIND. IT IS NOT A TIME TO ASK WHAT AM I GETTING BUT IT IS A TIME TO REFLECT THAT IN THE ALMIGHTY''S GOODNESS FOR MAN AND NOW THAT MANKIND IS SUFFERING SO MUCH AND YET FOR ONE NIGHT MAN CAN SAY TO HIMSELF GOD LOVES ME. THIS CHRISTMAS I WILL LIGHT A CANDLE FOR THOSE WHO JUDGE OTHERS. GOD BLESS ALL THE BEN STEINS OF THIS WORLD WHO HELPS US TO REMEMBER WHAT IS IMPORTANT.
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by mdbaker62 December 16, 2007 1:02 PM PST
IT TAKES A PERSON LIKE BEN TO VOICE AN OPINION ABOUT WHAT CHRISTMAS IS ALL ABOUT. YEARS AGO I CAN REMEMBER CHRISTMAS AS FAMILY GETTING TOGETHER TELLING STORIES AND SHARING TIME FROM A BUSY WORLD. TODAY I LOOK UPON CHRISTMAS AS BEN DOES AS NOTHING MORE THAN GREED. WE HAVE LOST SIGHT OF WHAT CHRISTMAS IS. A SAVIOR WAS BORN TO SAVE MANKIND. IT IS NOT A TIME TO ASK WHAT AM I GETTING BUT IT IS A TIME TO REFLECT THAT IN THE ALMIGHTY''S GOODNESS FOR MAN AND NOW THAT MANKIND IS SUFFERING SO MUCH AND YET FOR ONE NIGHT MAN CAN SAY TO HIMSELF GOD LOVES ME. THIS CHRISTMAS I WILL LIGHT A CANDLE FOR THOSE WHO JUDGE OTHERS. GOD BLESS ALL THE BEN STEINS OF THIS WORLD WHO HELPS US TO REMEMBER WHAT IS IMPORTANT.
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by mdbaker62 December 16, 2007 1:03 PM PST
IT TAKES A PERSON LIKE BEN TO VOICE AN OPINION ABOUT WHAT CHRISTMAS IS ALL ABOUT. YEARS AGO I CAN REMEMBER CHRISTMAS AS FAMILY GETTING TOGETHER TELLING STORIES AND SHARING TIME FROM A BUSY WORLD. TODAY I LOOK UPON CHRISTMAS AS BEN DOES AS NOTHING MORE THAN GREED. WE HAVE LOST SIGHT OF WHAT CHRISTMAS IS. A SAVIOR WAS BORN TO SAVE MANKIND. IT IS NOT A TIME TO ASK WHAT AM I GETTING BUT IT IS A TIME TO REFLECT THAT IN THE ALMIGHTY''S GOODNESS FOR MAN AND NOW THAT MANKIND IS SUFFERING SO MUCH AND YET FOR ONE NIGHT MAN CAN SAY TO HIMSELF GOD LOVES ME. THIS CHRISTMAS I WILL LIGHT A CANDLE FOR THOSE WHO JUDGE OTHERS. GOD BLESS ALL THE BEN STEINS OF THIS WORLD WHO HELPS US TO REMEMBER WHAT IS IMPORTANT.
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by freerev December 16, 2007 1:07 PM PST
Basically, I love everything Ben has to say about what makes a "good Christmas". I''ve been saying these things for years. Consumerism, marketing and the media have taken over our most sacred Holy-day and caused us to believe our value lies in what we get and what we can give. Giving gifts is not the bad part of Christmas. The bad part is when we make giving gifts the entire focus of our Christmas activities, events and gatherings. It took a Jewish person, Jesus, to straighted things up 2007+ years ago when the religious lost track of what God really wants. It doesn''t bother me that Ben is not a Christian commenting on a Christian holiday. Being on the outside makes it easier to see more clearly the inconsistencies of another''s ways.
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by mdbaker62 December 16, 2007 1:11 PM PST
IT TAKES A PERSON LIKE BEN TO VOICE AN OPINION ABOUT WHAT CHRISTMAS IS ALL ABOUT. YEARS AGO I CAN REMEMBER CHRISTMAS AS FAMILY GETTING TOGETHER TELLING STORIES AND SHARING TIME FROM A BUSY WORLD. TODAY I LOOK UPON CHRISTMAS AS BEN DOES AS NOTHING MORE THAN GREED. WE HAVE LOST SIGHT OF WHAT CHRISTMAS IS. A SAVIOR WAS BORN TO SAVE MANKIND. IT IS NOT A TIME TO ASK WHAT AM I GETTING BUT IT IS A TIME TO REFLECT THAT IN THE ALMIGHTY''S GOODNESS FOR MAN AND NOW THAT MANKIND IS SUFFERING SO MUCH AND YET FOR ONE NIGHT MAN CAN SAY TO HIMSELF GOD LOVES ME. THIS CHRISTMAS I WILL LIGHT A CANDLE FOR THOSE WHO JUDGE OTHERS. GOD BLESS ALL THE BEN STEINS OF THIS WORLD WHO HELPS US TO REMEMBER WHAT IS IMPORTANT.
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by kasuist December 16, 2007 1:12 PM PST
Bravo! Bravo! Bravo Mr. Stein!, for your wonderful commentary regarding our capitalistic cultural spin on this Holy Holiday Season. You''ve hit the proverbial nail squarely on the head about how we define what is "good" and how we perceive "giving". Unfortunately, your message was lost on the first two postings, but I still have hope... after all, "tis the season". As for me, I will be sharing your message with... well, everyone I know and especially with those whom I have yet to meet this year. But not just with a press of the forward button on my computer, this year I will volunteer at a shelter or a nursing home and "DO" something for some else who may need a little help or kindness. It''s my time to "DO" something more then just write a check. Thanks again Ben. Happy Holidays and God Bless.
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by castner2005 December 16, 2007 1:18 PM PST
PLEASE put up the video to this....love to spread the word. Wow....what words of wisdom for all ages!
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by mdbaker62 December 16, 2007 1:18 PM PST
IT TAKES A PERSON LIKE BEN TO VOICE AN OPINION ABOUT WHAT CHRISTMAS IS ALL ABOUT. YEARS AGO I CAN REMEMBER CHRISTMAS AS FAMILY GETTING TOGETHER TELLING STORIES AND SHARING TIME FROM A BUSY WORLD. TODAY I LOOK UPON CHRISTMAS AS BEN DOES AS NOTHING MORE THAN GREED. WE HAVE LOST SIGHT OF WHAT CHRISTMAS IS. A SAVIOR WAS BORN TO SAVE MANKIND. IT IS NOT A TIME TO ASK WHAT AM I GETTING BUT IT IS A TIME TO REFLECT THAT IN THE ALMIGHTY''S GOODNESS FOR MAN AND NOW THAT MANKIND IS SUFFERING SO MUCH AND YET FOR ONE NIGHT MAN CAN SAY TO HIMSELF GOD LOVES ME. THIS CHRISTMAS I WILL LIGHT A CANDLE FOR THOSE WHO JUDGE OTHERS. GOD BLESS ALL THE BEN STEINS OF THIS WORLD WHO HELPS US TO REMEMBER WHAT IS IMPORTANT.
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by james674 December 16, 2007 1:34 PM PST
Thanks Ben. What a wonderful comentary this morning on what makes a good Christmas. I was getting ready to go to Mass when I heard your words of wisdom. It really put things in prospective for me and my heart in the right place.
God Bless you

Carole Meicke
Colts Neck, NJ
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by cbs_oliver December 16, 2007 2:02 PM PST
I generally don''t agree with Ben Stein.

He too often seems to be aligned with social Darwinists and anti-Muslim hate mongers.

In this case, though, I think he has made some good points.
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by reggie992 December 16, 2007 3:12 PM PST
Yes I would LOVE a video clip of this story. Ben''s delivery on screen is much more powerful than reading the text. This is something worth forwarding to all of my friends who have somehow lost the spirit of the season.
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by johnshaft4 December 16, 2007 4:47 PM PST
Ben, of course it is easier to talk about what''s in your heart (and "I feel your pain") on Jesus''s birthday then give away ANY of the MILLIONS you have to the homeless, hungry and disenfranchised...Shalom.
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by hypnotoad72 December 16, 2007 6:11 PM PST
This country became blessed because of the hard working people in it.

Ben Stein was on Bill O''Reilly''s show once. I recall the segment and Ben beat Bill at every turn.

Unfortunately, I also recall Bill''s talks with Mexican ex-president Fox -- Bill keps wondering why Mexico''s government wasn''t doing more for its people to make itself a strong first world nation...

I don''t watch cable anymore.

Everyone knows Christmas is celebrating Jesus'' birth and spending time with family. That''s why so many sitcoms'' "Christmas" episodes revolve around characters saying "it has gotten too commercial!" for at least 20 years now when not featuring episodes about the things kids want or when kids shoplift or do other bad things...

"Social darwinism" is also an imposed fallacy on our society. Indeed, how many countries'' environments encourage their people to be stupid, then do things under the excuse people are stupid? (never mind the concept alone is tantamount to the nazi empire...)
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by bonniesmyers December 16, 2007 8:09 PM PST
This time Ben I''m with you all the way. It was soothing to hear your comments on a Good Christmas. Very very nice, and thank you.
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by bonniesmyers December 16, 2007 8:14 PM PST
I''m with you all the way on this one Ben. It was soothing to listen to your "Good Christmas". Very very nice.
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by mcv57 December 16, 2007 8:56 PM PST
That is a shame that it takes a rich Jew to bring the meaning of Christmas to the media attention. Wait aminute, Jews don''t believe in Christmas (the birth of the messiah). They are still waiting for their messiah. What is going on here, "another government Jedi Mind Trick."
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by rushlimpdrug December 16, 2007 9:19 PM PST
Nice piece, now if someone would put their money where their mouth is it might help.
Anyone can write such a soft piece as this.
Typical of when there is not an original thought or heart behind the writing.
Reminds me of the comedian talking about the cameraman videotaping the hungry kids with one hand as he takes a bite out of his sandwich with the other.
Merry Xmas ben.
Now go visit a sic friend or relative.
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by brianbwb-2009 December 17, 2007 12:56 AM PST
Isn''t Mr. Stein Jewish? I have the distinct impression that Mr. Stein is professing a wish to celebrate a holiday that practitioners of his religion are not only doctrine bound to deny, but have spent countless dollars over the decades to turn it from a religious observance for Christians into the biggest shopping season of the year, to the point that those unable to participate in it''s materialism can and do suffer serious emotional damage, and those who can barely afford it plunge themselves into serious debt.

I realize the holiday itself was co-opted from the pagan year change festivals, but still Mr. Stein seems like one of the last people that should presume authority to expound on "the meaning of Christmas"...
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by mcv57 December 17, 2007 1:06 AM PST
brianbwb, exactly my opinion.

Only you have taken some time to give the words some elegant meaning. You must be an educator.
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by juwboy December 17, 2007 5:39 AM PST
A Moslem theologian, Syaikh Muhammad Bin Shalih Al-Uthaymeen, has just declared that, if a Moslem says, "And a Merry Christmas to you, too", to a Christian who has just given him seasonal greetings, then the Moslem has committed a grave sin.

The Moslem''s sin (a haram) is equivalent to congratulating someone for committing a murder.

Louis Farrakhan, the recently deceased Black Muslim, racist bigot once called Judaism "a gutter religion".

Islam isn''t a gutter religion, it''s a cesspit religion, a pschitthouse religion.
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by brianbwb-2009 December 17, 2007 6:11 AM PST
Posted by mcv57

I was attempting to observe a rather confusing relationship between the Jewish Mr. Stein, and a Christian holiday. It would seem that the religious aspect of Christmas has been negated to the point that other people, who usually don''t celebrate Christmas for religious reasons, now feel the urge to indulge in its most salient aspects, one might ask if they are not being drawn into a pit that they themselves helped to dig.

I hope that no one ascribes anti Semitism to my observation, because none is intended, I just ask how it is that a Jewish person can now presume to expound on the Christmas holiday, when their own religion does not recognize the reasons behind it''s existence.
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by brianbwb-2009 December 17, 2007 6:33 AM PST
Posted by juwboy

A few points;

How is it that a person who cites and recognizes the history of adversity between his brethren, and other ethnicities that have colluded to exclude Mr. Farrakhan''s ethnic brethren from the positive aspects of American life, and without provocation, a bigot?

Is it bigoted to recognize groups that regard and treat you as second (or third) class humans? Is it bigoted to recognize that fire is hot? Can you honestly deny that "Black" people to this day, and probably well into the future have been, and are systematically oppressed throughout the history of relations in America?

What great sins have "Black" people committed towards "Whites", and Jews, that justifies such exclusion and oppression? Do you find it OK that Jews will invest in German corporations, or that staunch anti communists will invest in China and Russia, while denying access to capital for "Black owned firms?

I will never consider Judaism a "gutter" religion, but I do understand the heat of anger and frustration that came from Mr. Farrakhan. I will, however call those who hide behind it in a false "us vs. them" mentality, just as the right wing fake Christians do, "gutter religionists", and if their followers agree that their religion is as those people misuse it, they themselves then have made it thus.
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by brianbwb-2009 December 17, 2007 6:58 AM PST
A Moslem theologian, Syaikh Muhammad Bin Shalih Al-Uthaymeen, has just declared that, if a Moslem says, "And a Merry Christmas to you, too", to a Christian who has just given him seasonal greetings, then the Moslem has committed a grave sin.

So if Kahane says that exchanging greetings with a gentile is a sin, would you believe that also?

Or if Oral Roberts says that greeting a homosexual is a sin, you would also assume that all Christians thought such?

Can you not tell the difference between a minister and a religious pimp?
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by juwboy December 17, 2007 8:14 AM PST
brianbwb:

I could write a Ph.D. dissertation on the points you bring up, so I''ll just give you a few of my immediate thoughts (intolerance is a continuing topic in these Comments, so I''m sure there''ll be more opportunities to address your other issues).

Would I follow the instructions of a cleric if I disagreed with him/her? No, but I''m highly educated in a Western sense. On AVERAGE, the followers of Muslim imams, globally, are barely literate and have been implicitly brain-washed from birth to look up to and obey one of the few educated persons they know, the local imam. On the instructions of an imam, or a Hitler, or a local Ku Klux Klan bigwig, rampaging lynch-mobs of uneducated morons can be quickly assembled and perform unspeakable acts under the umbrella of protection created by their numbers. Louis Farrakhan didn''t call DIRECTLY for a pogrom against Jews, but he came THIS close to it. I could give numerous examples, where analogs of his "gutter religion" insult have led to mobs rampaging through Jewish sections of cities, not just in Germany and the Middle East, but in every European country and even in America. Not only in the last century, but over the entire last MILLENNIUM. Don''t you know anything about the Inquisition?

My time on this public library terminal is almost up, unfortunately -- only 1 minute left!

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by fordham33014 December 17, 2007 8:17 AM PST
Ben Stein is a voice of reason in a world of disvisifness and hatred. I wish Ben Stein was running for President. It probably could''nt happen and he would not win because he is too level headed and the liberals could not support rational behavior.
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by regulateit December 17, 2007 8:38 AM PST
I think some of you are not connecting with what he is really saying. I am a christian and I can''t begin to tell you how manipulated I feel by the press and the stores. Daily I hear if this season was a "good" sales season. The majority of stores and a national economy is based on sales during Christmas.

I respect all religions and do not consider mine superior. I do not even believe in practicing in a church. My relationship with God is personal. I do not believe he can only hear me with clarity in a house of worship. He is with me always. I just talk outloud to him. I ask him for the strength to make me a better, more loving human being. For the intelligence, to respect and listen to others points of view and the clarity to take a deep breath when I feel stressed and see the whole picture, not just a view through a window.
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by tyjohn47 December 17, 2007 9:33 AM PST
His old game show ''Win Ben Stein''s Money'' was the most intelligent, best game show on TV hands down. Too bad it''s not on anymore.

While I don''t agree with most of his politics; Stein is that rarest of conservatives (or liberals too for that matter) in the same style as George Will. Pricipled, uber intelligent, extremely well-read and will listen to opposing viewpoints without being scared that somebody who debates them might actually make a valid point from time to time.

There isn''t enough of that right now and it is sorely needed.
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by lajones06 December 17, 2007 10:14 AM PST
you do not have to belong to any religion to see what is happening to our culture regarding greed and apathy. ben stein is right, we have lost the meaning of what we celebrate. it is not about material objects. it is a spirit that we have in all of us that has been lost for whatever reason. whether you are a jew or christian or muslim, we should all, as humans, reach out to one another and not be concerned with the profit margin determining a good or bad christmas. for those of you that do not get his meaning, you are part of the problem and can''t see that you have sold your soul.
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by lajones06 December 17, 2007 10:15 AM PST
you do not have to belong to any religion to see what is happening to our culture regarding greed and apathy. ben stein is right, we have lost the meaning of what we celebrate. it is not about material objects. it is a spirit that we have in all of us that has been lost for whatever reason. whether you are a jew or christian or muslim, we should all, as humans, reach out to one another and not be concerned with the profit margin determining a good or bad christmas. for those of you that do not get his meaning, you are part of the problem and can''t see that you have sold your soul.
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by lajones06 December 17, 2007 10:17 AM PST
you do not have to belong to any religion to see what is happening to our culture regarding greed and apathy. ben stein is right, we have lost the meaning of what we celebrate. it is not about material objects. it is a spirit that we have in all of us that has been lost for whatever reason. whether you are a jew or christian or muslim, we should all, as humans, reach out to one another and not be concerned with the profit margin determining a good or bad christmas. for those of you that do not get his meaning, you are part of the problem and can''t see that you have sold your soul.
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by eggy1620 December 17, 2007 11:35 AM PST
This past weekend I witnessed exactly what Ben is speaking about. My family%u2019s Christmas together used to be low stress, inexpensive, and involve mass. Now it%u2019s conusmer porn. An annual competition between siblings to get your house to look like the photos in the high end interior design magazines. Who can cook the most expensive food. Who can hire the best caterer. Who gets the kids the best gifts. Debates between stay at home moms over how much to tip the maid for the holiday. This year%u2019s addition to family Christmas: a professional Santa. The frivolity only grows.
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by rushlimpdrug December 17, 2007 12:21 PM PST
I, like the author, am Jewish. But I would never be so presumptuous as he is and describe what a good Xmas would be LOL. Maybe CBS can get a priest to write about what a good Chanukah would be too LMAO.
Posted by gopsux at 08:07 AM

I thought something similar.
Arrogance to talk about how another religion is doing it all wrong.
It would be great if CBS had a Muslim/Islamist talk about how Jews are not properly celebrating Chanukah.
I also saw Ben Stein''s game show once and it was pathetically stupid.
Every time I see Ben''s photo he half possum half moose.
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by krenz4 December 17, 2007 12:24 PM PST
Christmas at my mom''s house used to be a competition to see who could give, or get the most extravagent, costly gifts, until one year, my baby sister lost her husband (divorce) her house (bankruptcy, because of divorce) and her job (economy). She and her children were doing pretty bad.Since she had not gotten back on her feet by the following Christmas, we all toned down the extravagant spending so she and her kids wouldnt feel bad, so instead of buying expensive things we just spent time together with our neices, nephews, spouses and parents, talking, laughing, telling our children about the old days and getting to know one another again. That was some years ago. My sister is back on her feet, bought herself and her kids a new home and is engaged to be married. But we still, (though we can all afford to splurge at Christmas) Spend little or nothing at Christmas. Instead, we have a new traditon an it goes for our children too; We have a 10.00 secret santa exchange and let the homecoming party begin! Thats how we learned what Christmas is all about.
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by lajones06 December 17, 2007 4:07 PM PST
the e-mails about ben stein being jewish and that he not comment on anything christmas is ridiculous. they are proving his point more than ever. is there really an argument for going into debt and spending until we have absolutely everything we want? the true meaning of this time of year transcends religion, or should, and does not belong exclusively to christians or people with a lot of money. those who are without means may have a good christmas if they have love in their hearts much more so that a wealthy family and two new matching cars. if christmas is just about the gifts, then why wait until december 25th? i also hope that the families celebrating the jewish holidays are spent with the true meaning in mind.
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