Militia Leader Al-Sadr Studying Up

Powerbroker Quietly Resumes Seminary Studies In Pursuit Of Revered "Ayatollah" Title

(CBS/AP)  The leader of Iraq's biggest Shiite militia has quietly resumed seminary studies toward attaining the title of ayatollah - a goal that could make firebrand cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi Army an even more formidable power broker in Iraq.

Al-Sadr's objectives - described to The Associated Press by close aides - are part of increasingly bitter Shiite-on-Shiite battles for control of Iraq's southern oil fields, the lucrative pilgrim trade to Shiite holy cities and the nation's strategic Persian Gulf outlet.

The endgame among Iraq's majority Shiites also means long-term influence over Iraqi political and financial affairs as the Pentagon and its allies look to scale down their military presence in the coming year.

Al-Sadr's backers remain key players in the showdowns across the region, where fears of even more bloodshed are rising following Wednesday's triple car bombing in one of the area's main urban hubs. At least 25 people were killed and scores wounded.

Al-Sadr - who was last seen publicly in May - is confronting the most serious challenges to his influence, which includes sway over a bloc in parliament and a militia force that numbers as many as 60,000 by some estimates.

Becoming an ayatollah - a revered status among Shiite Muslims - would give the 33-year-old al-Sadr an important new voice and aura.

It also would give him fresh clout to challenge his top rival, the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council, which looks to Iranian-born Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani as its highest religious authority and has its own armed wing, the Badr Brigade, which have been largely absorbed into Iraqi security forces.

Al-Sadr often stresses his Iraqi and Arab roots and rejects suggestions that he is beholden to Persian Iran, the world's Shiite heavyweight and the benefactor of many Shiite politicians.

As an ayatollah, his views and fatwas, or religious edicts, would resonate with even more authority as the battles heat up for sway over Iraq's Shiite heartland.

Comparisons are often drawn between al-Sadr's strategy - a mix of militia strength, well-tuned street politics and social outreach - and the hallmarks of Hezbollah, which has been influenced by Lebanon's top Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, as well Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, founder of Iran's 1979 Islam Revolution.

"If ... Muqtada becomes a religious authority, the entire movement will grow stronger," said one of the aides who described al-Sadr's seminary studies to the AP.

The al-Sadr associates - three in all - spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to share the information with the media. Their accounts, made in separate interviews, were in broad agreement.

In other developments:

An American soldier was shot to death in an attack in southern Baghdad, the military said Friday. The U.S. statement said the name of the Multi-National Division-Baghdad soldier, who died Thursday, was being withheld until family could be notified. At least 3,890 members of the U.S. military have died since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.

The FBI is investigating the special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction, Justice Department officials said, following allegations of misconduct from former employees. The investigation of Stuart Bowen involves possible electronic tampering, including alleged efforts by the inspector general to go through e-mails of employees in his office, two officials close to the inquiry said Thursday. It is being handled by the FBI's Washington field office, according to law enforcement officials, who like the first officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.

Defense attorneys for a former soldier accused of raping a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and killing her and her family asked Thursday for more time to prepare an adequate defense. Citing a possible insanity defense and a need to visit the crime scene in Iraq, Steven D. Green's attorneys argued during a hearing and in a motion filed Thursday, for more time to interview witnesses and investigate Green's psychiatric background. Attorneys asked for a trial date no earlier than April 2009 "to insure that both the United States and the defense can be adequately prepared" for the trial, according to the motion.

A Marine reservist was found guilty Thursday of killing an Iraqi soldier while they stood watch together at a guard post in Fallujah. Lance Cpl. Delano Holmes, 22, of Indianapolis, was convicted of negligent homicide, but acquitted of the greater charge of unpremeditated homicide. He was also convicted of making a false official statement.

A man convicted of spying for Saddam Hussein's former regime and sharing information with the executed Iraqi dictator's intelligence service was sentenced to 18 months in prison, federal prosecutors said. Ghazi Al-Awadi, 78, a naturalized U.S. citizen born in Iraq, pleaded guilty in July to acting as an agent of the government of Iraq under Saddam's regime. He was sentenced on Thursday.

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by rowdytexan2 December 14, 2007 10:00 AM PST

We have invested trillions of dollars, and 4,000 lives for this DEMOCRACY!!! Where did it go?

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by mcvet December 14, 2007 10:32 AM PST

This one may become dangerous one day. If he does, we''''ll know which policies helped him get in power.


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Posted by ttinsly at 09:57 AM : Dec 14, 2007
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Oh I don''t think there''s any doubt he''s going to be dangerous... he''s the Jerry Falwell of Iraq WITHOUT our Seperation of Church and State... HE CAN AND WILL CONTROL THAT GOVERNMENT. Sieg Heil Bush

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by neoconrcrazy December 14, 2007 10:38 AM PST

All neocon bushies take a look at iraq''s upcoming leader - looks like the bush war will has given birth to iraq''s next "ayahtollah" -

maybe we say "i-ya-told-ya" !

great idea to invade this place - real smart these neocon repubs -

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by underdogus December 14, 2007 10:52 AM PST

get a load at his mug shoot... hmmm fuggenn Amerikans ALLLLAhMMMM

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by underdogus December 14, 2007 10:55 AM PST

OPPS SHOT SORRY...

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by terrorislam6 December 14, 2007 11:00 AM PST

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by notblue December 14, 2007 12:10 PM PST

neoconcrazy, your still mad because you had to take down that portrait of Sadam. He was such a great leader, you sir are an IDIOT!

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by j-whitman December 14, 2007 1:28 PM PST

notblue,,,, If you''ll look behind the portrait of Bush on your wall you''ll see brown stains that match the ones in your shorts --- you are an IDIOT

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by j-whitman December 14, 2007 1:30 PM PST

terrorislam6--Lars,,,, Go back to bed & dream up something else, you''re boring us....

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by j-whitman December 14, 2007 1:34 PM PST

notblue,,,,, How''s Bush''s kangeroo court doing on the Liberty City 7 ???

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by gunnerv1 December 14, 2007 3:09 PM PST

neoconRcrazy This cr*ap started with Imperial England in the 1700''s when England ruled the world, don''t blame us or the US. This has been building up a head of steam for the last 1400 years (Islam) and it''s going to burst sooner than we think. I just want us/US to be on the winning side.

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by mcvet December 14, 2007 3:28 PM PST

neoconRcrazy This cr*ap started with Imperial England in the 1700''''s when England ruled the world, don''''t blame us or the US. This has been building up a head of steam for the last 1400 years (Islam) and it''''s going to burst sooner than we think. I just want us/US to be on the winning side.


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Posted by gunnerv1 at 03:09 PM : Dec 14, 2007
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SO! We just ignore all our experts and all those fine Generals who have told us over and over and over again that there is NO military solution here? Look you freaks should just go hide out somewhere and the REAL American''s, the ones who have fought Religious Extremist before, will call you when it''s over. God you losers are the worst with your "Their all the same" trash!! Sieg Heil Bush!!

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by mcvet December 14, 2007 3:32 PM PST

neoconcrazy, your still mad because you had to take down that portrait of Sadam. He was such a great leader, you sir are an IDIOT!


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Posted by notblue at 12:10 PM : Dec 14, 2007
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What good does this do? What good does blaming him for FAILURE after FAILURE after FAILURE. After 6 LONG years and a Trillion Dollars of our GRANDKIDS money where are we? Well Bin Laden, you swastika huggers do remember him don''t you??? Well he''s COMPLETELY REBUILT his forces and guess what?? Yep oh great bootlicker... that''s called LOSING!! Now maybe you should let the folks who have been right about Bush and his War form day one speak up a bit?? Maybe you should stop practicing FASCISM everytime they say something??? Sieg Heil Bush!! Come on put that pointed Hood on Sparky... Now sing it out SEIG HEIL GRAND WIZARD CHENEY!! Good little nazi!!

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by mcvet December 14, 2007 3:35 PM PST

Well, now we let this guy live and become even more powerful. It almost seems someones behind him in all this. H-m-m-m-m.

Maybe he''''s our next sacrificial ruler of chaos over there? There has to be some reason we let him live through all these battles.

Never believe we just couldn''''t catch him. There''''s no one we can''''t catch! He was "let go" just like Osama in the early days of these conflicts.


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Posted by Spectrum108 at 01:12 PM : Dec 14, 2007
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No killing this guy would have turned him into a marter... then we would have had it even worse. This cat is going to be in charge over there, he already controls the souther part of the country and the Government doesn''t do anything he doesn''t want. We spent 1 Trillion Dollars and how many lives for this?? ROFLMAO Sieg Heil Bush!

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by feelfree1 December 14, 2007 4:09 PM PST

Re: "...and has its own armed wing, the Badr Brigade, which have been largely absorbed into Iraqi security forces."

The Badr Brigade is one of the U.S. backed death squads that were supported by Bush regime stooge, John "death squad" Negroponte.

Re: "Defense attorneys for a former soldier accused of raping a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and killing her and her family asked Thursday for more time to prepare an adequate defense."

Why not just plea bargain, and sentence this mass-murdering child rapist to Christmas dinner with the Bush-puppet, with a metal detector exemption?

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by feelfree1 December 14, 2007 5:23 PM PST

Spectrum108,

Re: "Then "peace by fear" will settle the land."

You sound as though you have been drinking from the same toilet as Donald "Shock-and-Awe" Rumsfeld.

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by toolmangler-2009 December 14, 2007 5:36 PM PST

No killing this guy would have turned him into a martyr
Posted by MCVet at 03:35 PM : Dec 14, 2007



I say IMHO, in tthis case a dead Martyr is preferred over a live ayatollah. look in his eyes to see pure hatred.

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by toolmangler-2009 December 14, 2007 5:39 PM PST

You sound as though you have been drinking from the same toilet as Donald "Shock-and-Awe" Rumsfeld.

Posted by FeelFree1 at 05:23 PM : Dec 14, 2007


feely, you know that "peace by fear" is the only thing that works in the Mid East.

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by feelfree1 December 14, 2007 5:45 PM PST

Spectrum108,

Re: "If we''re going to continue with our boys on the ground, while they''re losing their lives, we had better change our thinking to either get''em the he11 out of there or *** sure "fix" the problem."

I vote for option "A", unless we hope to add the financial bankruptcy of our country to the disgrace and moral bankruptcy of this lie-based, illegal, and disgraceful debacle.

That may be the result anyway, since we have allowed this heinous crusade to continue for so long already.

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by feelfree1 December 14, 2007 5:47 PM PST

ToolMangler,

Re: "feely, you know that "peace by fear" is the only thing that works in the Mid East."

It sure as hell hasn''t worked there yet, and seems to be failing at home as well.

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by mcvet December 14, 2007 6:01 PM PST

feely, you know that "peace by fear" is the only thing that works in the Mid East.



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Posted by ToolMangler at 05:39 PM : Dec 14, 2007
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Yeah? How many tours of combat have you had there Swastika Breath? ROFLMAO You NeoCon''s just don''t get it do you?? We tried this already...IT DOES NOT WORK... Democracy can not take root at the point of a gun. The PEOPLE who wish to be free must be willing to fight for it and NOT for some leader... Something you fascist have never learned I''m afraid. The fact is that you can not "Give" democracy to anyone... you freaks are about to find that out YET again... But hey "mission accomplished" again huh? ROFLMAO Sieg Heil Bush!!

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by mcvet December 14, 2007 6:03 PM PST

I''''m a believer that if he''''s the enemy, don''''t let him do any of his conniving and "martyr him quickly!" If one keeps cutting off the heads of the leaders, sooner or later the rest will quit sticking their heads up too! Then "peace by fear" will settle the land.


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Posted by Spectrum108 at 05:20 PM : Dec 14, 2007
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You see that''s the problem Fascist have always had... for some reason they think that killing the head guy will somehow transmit into dominance for them... Why kill this guy anyway... he''s not behind the attack on us.. he has no WMD''s... the only thing I can see he''s ever done is oppose Bush''s occupation. That''s his right isn''t it... well once that was our position anyway, but that was before you Nazi''s came to power. Sieg Heil Bush!!

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by feelfree1 December 14, 2007 6:04 PM PST

Excellent points, "MCVet".

It''s true. They don''t seem capable of learning. Ever.

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by mcvet December 14, 2007 6:06 PM PST

If this guy attains formal Ayatollah status, you will see what happens when the wrong guy is allowed to get away instead of being martyred. And what that Black Turban is all about!


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Posted by Spectrum108 at 05:40 PM : Dec 14, 2007
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So we''re just going to go around the world killing eveyone who doesn''t look right? No wonder you fascist are flat getting the *** kicked out of you... I''ll say this, if we''d have fought our own Religious Extremist like you wacked out fools are fighting this thing, they''d still be lynching Blacks in Mississippi. You fools had better turn the reigns over to people who actually KNOW what they are doing and who have actually defeated Religious Extremist... or don''t you think the Klan is a Religious Extremist Group??? Sieg Heil Bush!!

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by sevenveils December 14, 2007 6:23 PM PST

e''''s not behind the attack on us.. he has no WMD''''s... the only thing I can see he''''s ever done is oppose Bush''''s occupation. - McVet

There you go. The man has a milita 60,000 strong. Who pays for the payroll, bullets and beans for that army? Probably his Royal Guard buddies in Iran. His MO follows that of Hamas. Where does he hide? Mostly in Iran. Who opposes the current Iraqi government the most and wants Iraq to be a Theocracy modeled after Iran? al-Sadr.

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by feelfree1 December 14, 2007 6:28 PM PST

sevenveils,

Re: "...and wants Iraq to be a Theocracy modeled after Iran?"

This result was guaranteed by the U.S./Zionist dead-brains that composed the "new" Iraqi constitution, and held the sham elections.

As far as the rest of your points go, just more unsubstantiated speculation on your part, as usual.

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by yongamerica December 14, 2007 6:28 PM PST

There is a nice quiet cell for you in Gitmo al-Sadr, where you can do a lot of studying.

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by yongamerica December 14, 2007 6:29 PM PST

unsubstantiated speculation on your part, as usual. - Feelfree1

Constantly you over look independent news that report these facts. Go do your homework

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by feelfree1 December 14, 2007 6:35 PM PST

yongamerica,

How about citing a single verified report that supports this B.S.?

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by yongamerica December 14, 2007 6:40 PM PST

Feelfree1 - here is what this article says. This supports what you claim as "unsubstantiated speculation".

"Comparisons are often drawn between al-Sadr''s strategy - a mix of militia strength, well-tuned street politics and social outreach - and the hallmarks of Hezbollah," - Hezbollah, Hamas what''s the difference, they are both funded by Iran.

"his influence, which includes sway over a bloc in parliament and a militia force that numbers as many as 60,000 by some estimates...which has been influenced by Lebanon''s top Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, as well Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, founder of Iran''s 1979 Islam Revolution." -- Again a reference to Iran and its theological government. Who pays these guys, and buys them matching jogging suits anyway?

IT is a common fact al-Sadr hides in Iran

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by feelfree1 December 14, 2007 6:57 PM PST

yongamerica,

Re: "Comparisons are often drawn between al-Sadr''''s strategy - a mix of militia strength, well-tuned street politics and social outreach - and the hallmarks of Hezbollah,"

This is exactly what I am talking about. Whenever some anonymous author offers unsubstantiated "comparisons" and identifies alleged "hallmarks" of anything that supports the failing fascistic drive, the Bush regime boot/arse-lickers gobble it up and cite it as fact.

This is yet another symptom of your advanced faith-based brain disease.

Is Hezbullah in Iraq? No they are not.

Is Hamas in Iraq? No they are not.

But what differnece does it make? As long as these implications support your dead-brained, dead-ender ideals, you will eagerly gobble them up, and regurgitate them ad-nauseum.

Again, can you cite a single verified report that supports this B.S.?

Are these "common facts" anything more than symptoms of your own ignorance and gullibility? It sure does not look that way.

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by yongamerica December 14, 2007 7:07 PM PST

Facts are hard for you to swallow. You are the one choking on the truth here. When you start the name calling its easy to see you don''t like the truth.

do your own homework, the facts will set you free

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by yongamerica December 14, 2007 7:09 PM PST

"This is yet another symptom of your advanced faith-based brain disease." - Feelfree1

Making me laugh, I''m not Muslim

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by feelfree1 December 14, 2007 7:21 PM PST

yongamerica,

Re: "Facts are hard for you to swallow."

Hype and empty blather seem to be very easy for you to injest, on the other hand, as you have demonstrated here.

Facts are points that you can support. Dead-brained blather, is what you have mistakenly presented here as fact.

Again, can you cite a single verified report that supports this B.S.?

Re: "Making me laugh, I''m not Muslim"

I had already assumed that you were a Christofascist, a Zionist, or the victim of some similarly damgerous and debilitating brain disease.

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by yongamerica December 14, 2007 7:24 PM PST

Can you prove me otherwise?
Didn''t think so. Proof is a 2 way street.

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by feelfree1 December 14, 2007 7:28 PM PST

yongamerica,

Re: "Can you prove me otherwise?
Didn''t think so. Proof is a 2 way street."

The complete lack of substantiation is evidence of the weakness and nonsensical nature of these claims, as has been underlined by your inability to cite even a single substantiated report.

The burden of proving dead-brained unsubstantiated hype, is on the dead-brain that makes the empty assertions (psst- that''s you).

Again, can you cite a single verified report that supports this B.S.? Even one?

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by yongamerica December 14, 2007 8:39 PM PST

Yes, this very article I quoted from. I guess reading is not your forte.

But you who claim to be so right, prove me wrong. I dare.

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by feelfree1 December 14, 2007 8:51 PM PST

yongamerica,

Re: "Yes, this very article I quoted from."

You appear to be compounding your stupidity here.
Let me review for you, as your retention abilities appear to be as faulty as your reasoning:

Re: "Comparisons are often drawn between al-Sadr''s strategy - a mix of militia strength, well-tuned street politics and social outreach - and the hallmarks of Hezbollah,"

This is exactly what I am talking about. Whenever some anonymous author offers unsubstantiated "comparisons" and identifies alleged "hallmarks" of anything that supports the failing fascistic drive, the Bush regime boot/arse-lickers gobble it up and cite it as fact.

This is yet another symptom of your advanced faith-based brain disease.

Is Hezbullah in Iraq? No they are not.

Is Hamas in Iraq? No they are not.

But what differnece does it make? As long as these implications support your dead-brained, dead-ender ideals, you will eagerly gobble them up, and regurgitate them ad-nauseum.

Again, can you cite a single verified report that supports this B.S.?

Are these "common facts" anything more than symptoms of your own ignorance and gullibility? It sure does not look that way.

I can "prove" to you that there is no Santa Clause or Easter Bunny. Does that mean that these entities must exist, by your faith-based reasoning?

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by feelfree1 December 14, 2007 8:53 PM PST

Correction:

"I can''t "prove" to you that there is no Santa Clause or Easter Bunny. Does that mean that these entities must exist, by your foolish faith-based reasoning?"

Did your parents ever have any children that lived?

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by feelfree1 December 14, 2007 8:56 PM PST

yongamerica,

Shall I check back in an hour to see if you have anything to add to your faith-based idiocy?

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by toolmangler-2009 December 14, 2007 8:56 PM PST

Yeah? How many tours of combat have you had there Swastika Breath? ROFLMAO You NeoCon''''s just don''''t get it do you?? We tried this already...IT DOES NOT WORK... Democracy can not take root at the point of a gun. The PEOPLE who wish to be free must be willing to fight for it and NOT for some leader... Something you fascist have never learned I''''m afraid. The fact is that you can not "Give" democracy to anyone...

Posted by MCVet at 06:01 PM : Dec 14, 2007


I won''t call you names. Instead I will say open ''your'' eyes and look. Saddam controlled by fear, Ayatullah Ruhollah Khomeini, controlled by fear, Al Sadr controls by fear, Syria controls by fear, Iran is controlled by fear. Democracy cannot work in a country which is run by religion first and Government second,

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by yongamerica December 14, 2007 10:26 PM PST

No Feelfree1, too long you have nothing but crass coments. You add not fact or anything constructive to any discussion. Now you playing some sort of religious card as what? What does the facts have to do with religon? Are you trying to insult me with your religious comments or showing your contempt for non-Islamic practices, help me out here because I can''t tell which *** you are speaking out of here. Just give me a fact to prove any part of this article, which I quoted as my basis for this argument, wrong. So far all you have supplied in this argument is genuine contempt and disrespect. You are stooping pretty low tonight. So I as said, PROVE ME WRONG. Simple, prove me wrong.

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by underdogus December 15, 2007 10:29 AM PST

MUQTADA AL-SARD: hmm, chicken shhiet AMERIKEN you infidel son of a B I T C H E S!!! git me a hamburger hold the onions!!

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by neoconrcrazy December 15, 2007 11:08 AM PST

After sacrificing those American heros, masses of iraqi innocents, billions of $$, look at what we''re getting in return !

Another eye-ya-tolla !

Does anyone think this guy belongs to us ?

I think we just invested a bundle in a repeat of "our shah in iran" - the neocons will never learn.

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by toolmangler-2009 December 15, 2007 12:19 PM PST

The only thing we can do now is either ''martyr'' him now, or get out,now.

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by underdogus December 15, 2007 2:05 PM PST

hummm should i get a burrito?

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by yongamerica December 15, 2007 5:05 PM PST

"I can''''''''t "prove" to you that there is no Santa Clause or Easter Bunny."
Posted by FeelFree1

No one is asking for you to prove anything make believe. All that is being asked is you prove your point with even one simple fact. Until then you have nothing to offer but unsubstantiated barbarous opinions.

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by underdogus December 15, 2007 5:44 PM PST

"I can''''''''''''''''t "prove" to you that there is no Santa Clause or Easter Bunny."
Posted by FeelFree1 FEELFREE1 IS A COWARD,A FRAUD, AND A PHONY!!!

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by tbweb December 15, 2007 11:19 PM PST

Advanced studies are good, everyone knows the value of education, and as long as Muqtada al-Sadr is not studying to fly Jetliners and then teaching others to do the same no one needs to be too concerned, especially if those Jetliners won''t be flown in the U.S.!!

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by speakinup December 16, 2007 6:34 PM PST

To give you a clue on feelfree1, in the past he has: called both Hillary and Bush nazis, praised hugo chavez, and now he adds religious hate to his resume.

I have not problems with atheist. It is a personal choice, but when you make fun of someone for their religious beliefs - you have definitly stepped over the line on the intent of our constitution.

Really representative of the US public isn''t he.

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[rowdytexan2]

We have invested trillions of dollars, and 4,000 lives for this DEMOCRACY!!! Where did it go?

[mcvet]

This one may become dangerous one day. If he does, we''''ll know which policies helped him get in power.


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Posted by ttinsly at 09:57 AM : Dec 14, 2007
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Oh I don''t think there''s any doubt he''s going to be dangerous... he''s the Jerry Falwell of Iraq WITHOUT our Seperation of Church and State... HE CAN AND WILL CONTROL THAT GOVERNMENT. Sieg Heil Bush

[neoconrcrazy]

All neocon bushies take a look at iraq''s upcoming leader - looks like the bush war will has given birth to iraq''s next "ayahtollah" -

maybe we say "i-ya-told-ya" !

great idea to invade this place - real smart these neocon repubs -

[underdogus]

get a load at his mug shoot... hmmm fuggenn Amerikans ALLLLAhMMMM

[underdogus]

OPPS SHOT SORRY...

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radical islam wants you dead

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[notblue]

neoconcrazy, your still mad because you had to take down that portrait of Sadam. He was such a great leader, you sir are an IDIOT!

[j-whitman]

notblue,,,, If you''ll look behind the portrait of Bush on your wall you''ll see brown stains that match the ones in your shorts --- you are an IDIOT

[j-whitman]

terrorislam6--Lars,,,, Go back to bed & dream up something else, you''re boring us....

[j-whitman]

notblue,,,,, How''s Bush''s kangeroo court doing on the Liberty City 7 ???

[gunnerv1]

neoconRcrazy This cr*ap started with Imperial England in the 1700''s when England ruled the world, don''t blame us or the US. This has been building up a head of steam for the last 1400 years (Islam) and it''s going to burst sooner than we think. I just want us/US to be on the winning side.

[mcvet]

neoconRcrazy This cr*ap started with Imperial England in the 1700''''s when England ruled the world, don''''t blame us or the US. This has been building up a head of steam for the last 1400 years (Islam) and it''''s going to burst sooner than we think. I just want us/US to be on the winning side.


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Posted by gunnerv1 at 03:09 PM : Dec 14, 2007
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SO! We just ignore all our experts and all those fine Generals who have told us over and over and over again that there is NO military solution here? Look you freaks should just go hide out somewhere and the REAL American''s, the ones who have fought Religious Extremist before, will call you when it''s over. God you losers are the worst with your "Their all the same" trash!! Sieg Heil Bush!!

[mcvet]

neoconcrazy, your still mad because you had to take down that portrait of Sadam. He was such a great leader, you sir are an IDIOT!


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Posted by notblue at 12:10 PM : Dec 14, 2007
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What good does this do? What good does blaming him for FAILURE after FAILURE after FAILURE. After 6 LONG years and a Trillion Dollars of our GRANDKIDS money where are we? Well Bin Laden, you swastika huggers do remember him don''t you??? Well he''s COMPLETELY REBUILT his forces and guess what?? Yep oh great bootlicker... that''s called LOSING!! Now maybe you should let the folks who have been right about Bush and his War form day one speak up a bit?? Maybe you should stop practicing FASCISM everytime they say something??? Sieg Heil Bush!! Come on put that pointed Hood on Sparky... Now sing it out SEIG HEIL GRAND WIZARD CHENEY!! Good little nazi!!

[mcvet]

Well, now we let this guy live and become even more powerful. It almost seems someones behind him in all this. H-m-m-m-m.

Maybe he''''s our next sacrificial ruler of chaos over there? There has to be some reason we let him live through all these battles.

Never believe we just couldn''''t catch him. There''''s no one we can''''t catch! He was "let go" just like Osama in the early days of these conflicts.


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Posted by Spectrum108 at 01:12 PM : Dec 14, 2007
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No killing this guy would have turned him into a marter... then we would have had it even worse. This cat is going to be in charge over there, he already controls the souther part of the country and the Government doesn''t do anything he doesn''t want. We spent 1 Trillion Dollars and how many lives for this?? ROFLMAO Sieg Heil Bush!

[feelfree1]

Re: "...and has its own armed wing, the Badr Brigade, which have been largely absorbed into Iraqi security forces."

The Badr Brigade is one of the U.S. backed death squads that were supported by Bush regime stooge, John "death squad" Negroponte.

Re: "Defense attorneys for a former soldier accused of raping a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and killing her and her family asked Thursday for more time to prepare an adequate defense."

Why not just plea bargain, and sentence this mass-murdering child rapist to Christmas dinner with the Bush-puppet, with a metal detector exemption?

[feelfree1]

Spectrum108,

Re: "Then "peace by fear" will settle the land."

You sound as though you have been drinking from the same toilet as Donald "Shock-and-Awe" Rumsfeld.

[toolmangler-2009]

No killing this guy would have turned him into a martyr
Posted by MCVet at 03:35 PM : Dec 14, 2007



I say IMHO, in tthis case a dead Martyr is preferred over a live ayatollah. look in his eyes to see pure hatred.

[toolmangler-2009]

You sound as though you have been drinking from the same toilet as Donald "Shock-and-Awe" Rumsfeld.

Posted by FeelFree1 at 05:23 PM : Dec 14, 2007


feely, you know that "peace by fear" is the only thing that works in the Mid East.

[feelfree1]

Spectrum108,

Re: "If we''re going to continue with our boys on the ground, while they''re losing their lives, we had better change our thinking to either get''em the he11 out of there or *** sure "fix" the problem."

I vote for option "A", unless we hope to add the financial bankruptcy of our country to the disgrace and moral bankruptcy of this lie-based, illegal, and disgraceful debacle.

That may be the result anyway, since we have allowed this heinous crusade to continue for so long already.

[feelfree1]

ToolMangler,

Re: "feely, you know that "peace by fear" is the only thing that works in the Mid East."

It sure as hell hasn''t worked there yet, and seems to be failing at home as well.

[mcvet]

feely, you know that "peace by fear" is the only thing that works in the Mid East.



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Posted by ToolMangler at 05:39 PM : Dec 14, 2007
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Yeah? How many tours of combat have you had there Swastika Breath? ROFLMAO You NeoCon''s just don''t get it do you?? We tried this already...IT DOES NOT WORK... Democracy can not take root at the point of a gun. The PEOPLE who wish to be free must be willing to fight for it and NOT for some leader... Something you fascist have never learned I''m afraid. The fact is that you can not "Give" democracy to anyone... you freaks are about to find that out YET again... But hey "mission accomplished" again huh? ROFLMAO Sieg Heil Bush!!

[mcvet]

I''''m a believer that if he''''s the enemy, don''''t let him do any of his conniving and "martyr him quickly!" If one keeps cutting off the heads of the leaders, sooner or later the rest will quit sticking their heads up too! Then "peace by fear" will settle the land.


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Posted by Spectrum108 at 05:20 PM : Dec 14, 2007
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You see that''s the problem Fascist have always had... for some reason they think that killing the head guy will somehow transmit into dominance for them... Why kill this guy anyway... he''s not behind the attack on us.. he has no WMD''s... the only thing I can see he''s ever done is oppose Bush''s occupation. That''s his right isn''t it... well once that was our position anyway, but that was before you Nazi''s came to power. Sieg Heil Bush!!

[feelfree1]

Excellent points, "MCVet".

It''s true. They don''t seem capable of learning. Ever.

[mcvet]

If this guy attains formal Ayatollah status, you will see what happens when the wrong guy is allowed to get away instead of being martyred. And what that Black Turban is all about!


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Posted by Spectrum108 at 05:40 PM : Dec 14, 2007
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So we''re just going to go around the world killing eveyone who doesn''t look right? No wonder you fascist are flat getting the *** kicked out of you... I''ll say this, if we''d have fought our own Religious Extremist like you wacked out fools are fighting this thing, they''d still be lynching Blacks in Mississippi. You fools had better turn the reigns over to people who actually KNOW what they are doing and who have actually defeated Religious Extremist... or don''t you think the Klan is a Religious Extremist Group??? Sieg Heil Bush!!

[sevenveils]

e''''s not behind the attack on us.. he has no WMD''''s... the only thing I can see he''''s ever done is oppose Bush''''s occupation. - McVet

There you go. The man has a milita 60,000 strong. Who pays for the payroll, bullets and beans for that army? Probably his Royal Guard buddies in Iran. His MO follows that of Hamas. Where does he hide? Mostly in Iran. Who opposes the current Iraqi government the most and wants Iraq to be a Theocracy modeled after Iran? al-Sadr.

[feelfree1]

sevenveils,

Re: "...and wants Iraq to be a Theocracy modeled after Iran?"

This result was guaranteed by the U.S./Zionist dead-brains that composed the "new" Iraqi constitution, and held the sham elections.

As far as the rest of your points go, just more unsubstantiated speculation on your part, as usual.

[yongamerica]

There is a nice quiet cell for you in Gitmo al-Sadr, where you can do a lot of studying.

[yongamerica]

unsubstantiated speculation on your part, as usual. - Feelfree1

Constantly you over look independent news that report these facts. Go do your homework

[feelfree1]

yongamerica,

How about citing a single verified report that supports this B.S.?

[yongamerica]

Feelfree1 - here is what this article says. This supports what you claim as "unsubstantiated speculation".

"Comparisons are often drawn between al-Sadr''s strategy - a mix of militia strength, well-tuned street politics and social outreach - and the hallmarks of Hezbollah," - Hezbollah, Hamas what''s the difference, they are both funded by Iran.

"his influence, which includes sway over a bloc in parliament and a militia force that numbers as many as 60,000 by some estimates...which has been influenced by Lebanon''s top Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, as well Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, founder of Iran''s 1979 Islam Revolution." -- Again a reference to Iran and its theological government. Who pays these guys, and buys them matching jogging suits anyway?

IT is a common fact al-Sadr hides in Iran

[feelfree1]

yongamerica,

Re: "Comparisons are often drawn between al-Sadr''''s strategy - a mix of militia strength, well-tuned street politics and social outreach - and the hallmarks of Hezbollah,"

This is exactly what I am talking about. Whenever some anonymous author offers unsubstantiated "comparisons" and identifies alleged "hallmarks" of anything that supports the failing fascistic drive, the Bush regime boot/arse-lickers gobble it up and cite it as fact.

This is yet another symptom of your advanced faith-based brain disease.

Is Hezbullah in Iraq? No they are not.

Is Hamas in Iraq? No they are not.

But what differnece does it make? As long as these implications support your dead-brained, dead-ender ideals, you will eagerly gobble them up, and regurgitate them ad-nauseum.

Again, can you cite a single verified report that supports this B.S.?

Are these "common facts" anything more than symptoms of your own ignorance and gullibility? It sure does not look that way.

[yongamerica]

Facts are hard for you to swallow. You are the one choking on the truth here. When you start the name calling its easy to see you don''t like the truth.

do your own homework, the facts will set you free

[yongamerica]

"This is yet another symptom of your advanced faith-based brain disease." - Feelfree1

Making me laugh, I''m not Muslim

[feelfree1]

yongamerica,

Re: "Facts are hard for you to swallow."

Hype and empty blather seem to be very easy for you to injest, on the other hand, as you have demonstrated here.

Facts are points that you can support. Dead-brained blather, is what you have mistakenly presented here as fact.

Again, can you cite a single verified report that supports this B.S.?

Re: "Making me laugh, I''m not Muslim"

I had already assumed that you were a Christofascist, a Zionist, or the victim of some similarly damgerous and debilitating brain disease.

[yongamerica]

Can you prove me otherwise?
Didn''t think so. Proof is a 2 way street.

[feelfree1]

yongamerica,

Re: "Can you prove me otherwise?
Didn''t think so. Proof is a 2 way street."

The complete lack of substantiation is evidence of the weakness and nonsensical nature of these claims, as has been underlined by your inability to cite even a single substantiated report.

The burden of proving dead-brained unsubstantiated hype, is on the dead-brain that makes the empty assertions (psst- that''s you).

Again, can you cite a single verified report that supports this B.S.? Even one?

[yongamerica]

Yes, this very article I quoted from. I guess reading is not your forte.

But you who claim to be so right, prove me wrong. I dare.

[feelfree1]

yongamerica,

Re: "Yes, this very article I quoted from."

You appear to be compounding your stupidity here.
Let me review for you, as your retention abilities appear to be as faulty as your reasoning:

Re: "Comparisons are often drawn between al-Sadr''s strategy - a mix of militia strength, well-tuned street politics and social outreach - and the hallmarks of Hezbollah,"

This is exactly what I am talking about. Whenever some anonymous author offers unsubstantiated "comparisons" and identifies alleged "hallmarks" of anything that supports the failing fascistic drive, the Bush regime boot/arse-lickers gobble it up and cite it as fact.

This is yet another symptom of your advanced faith-based brain disease.

Is Hezbullah in Iraq? No they are not.

Is Hamas in Iraq? No they are not.

But what differnece does it make? As long as these implications support your dead-brained, dead-ender ideals, you will eagerly gobble them up, and regurgitate them ad-nauseum.

Again, can you cite a single verified report that supports this B.S.?

Are these "common facts" anything more than symptoms of your own ignorance and gullibility? It sure does not look that way.

I can "prove" to you that there is no Santa Clause or Easter Bunny. Does that mean that these entities must exist, by your faith-based reasoning?

[feelfree1]

Correction:

"I can''t "prove" to you that there is no Santa Clause or Easter Bunny. Does that mean that these entities must exist, by your foolish faith-based reasoning?"

Did your parents ever have any children that lived?

[feelfree1]

yongamerica,

Shall I check back in an hour to see if you have anything to add to your faith-based idiocy?

[toolmangler-2009]

Yeah? How many tours of combat have you had there Swastika Breath? ROFLMAO You NeoCon''''s just don''''t get it do you?? We tried this already...IT DOES NOT WORK... Democracy can not take root at the point of a gun. The PEOPLE who wish to be free must be willing to fight for it and NOT for some leader... Something you fascist have never learned I''''m afraid. The fact is that you can not "Give" democracy to anyone...

Posted by MCVet at 06:01 PM : Dec 14, 2007


I won''t call you names. Instead I will say open ''your'' eyes and look. Saddam controlled by fear, Ayatullah Ruhollah Khomeini, controlled by fear, Al Sadr controls by fear, Syria controls by fear, Iran is controlled by fear. Democracy cannot work in a country which is run by religion first and Government second,

[yongamerica]

No Feelfree1, too long you have nothing but crass coments. You add not fact or anything constructive to any discussion. Now you playing some sort of religious card as what? What does the facts have to do with religon? Are you trying to insult me with your religious comments or showing your contempt for non-Islamic practices, help me out here because I can''t tell which *** you are speaking out of here. Just give me a fact to prove any part of this article, which I quoted as my basis for this argument, wrong. So far all you have supplied in this argument is genuine contempt and disrespect. You are stooping pretty low tonight. So I as said, PROVE ME WRONG. Simple, prove me wrong.

[underdogus]

MUQTADA AL-SARD: hmm, chicken shhiet AMERIKEN you infidel son of a B I T C H E S!!! git me a hamburger hold the onions!!

[neoconrcrazy]

After sacrificing those American heros, masses of iraqi innocents, billions of $$, look at what we''re getting in return !

Another eye-ya-tolla !

Does anyone think this guy belongs to us ?

I think we just invested a bundle in a repeat of "our shah in iran" - the neocons will never learn.

[toolmangler-2009]

The only thing we can do now is either ''martyr'' him now, or get out,now.

[underdogus]

hummm should i get a burrito?

[yongamerica]

"I can''''''''t "prove" to you that there is no Santa Clause or Easter Bunny."
Posted by FeelFree1

No one is asking for you to prove anything make believe. All that is being asked is you prove your point with even one simple fact. Until then you have nothing to offer but unsubstantiated barbarous opinions.

[underdogus]

"I can''''''''''''''''t "prove" to you that there is no Santa Clause or Easter Bunny."
Posted by FeelFree1 FEELFREE1 IS A COWARD,A FRAUD, AND A PHONY!!!

[tbweb]

Advanced studies are good, everyone knows the value of education, and as long as Muqtada al-Sadr is not studying to fly Jetliners and then teaching others to do the same no one needs to be too concerned, especially if those Jetliners won''t be flown in the U.S.!!

[speakinup]

To give you a clue on feelfree1, in the past he has: called both Hillary and Bush nazis, praised hugo chavez, and now he adds religious hate to his resume.

I have not problems with atheist. It is a personal choice, but when you make fun of someone for their religious beliefs - you have definitly stepped over the line on the intent of our constitution.

Really representative of the US public isn''t he.