Huckabee's Views On Women Scrutinized
GOP Hopeful Signed 1998 Statement Backing Idea That Wives Should "Submit Graciously" To Husbands
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Huckabee, an ordained Southern Baptist minister, defended his record Thursday, saying he appointed many women to high positions in state government and on his staff during his 10½ years as Arkansas governor.
"If you look at my cabinet, I had more women in my cabinet and on my staff in key positions, including chief of staff, than any other governor probably in Arkansas history," Huckabee said on ABC's "Good Morning America."
Huckabee had been asked on the TV show about his support of the Baptist convention's statement of beliefs on marriage. The former Arkansas governor and his wife Janet signed a full-page ad in USA Today in support of the statement with 129 other evangelical leaders in 1998.
"A wife is to submit graciously to the servant leadership of her husband even as the church willingly submits to the headship of Christ," the convention says in its statement of faith. Baptist Press reported that the 1998 ad was addressed to denomination leaders and said: "You are right because you called wives to graciously submit to their husband's sacrificial leadership."
Huckabee was supported by 17 percent of women in a nationwide AP-Ipsos poll earlier this month, making him roughly even with Rudy Giuliani and John McCain for the lead among female voters among GOP presidential contenders.
Huckabee has faced questions before over his support of the marriage statement, with a rival in his 1998 re-election campaign citing the statement and accusing Huckabee of opposing equal pay for women.
"It's one thing for Mike Huckabee to think a wife should submit graciously to her husband, but it's another to have her work for less than she's worth," Democratic challenger Bill Bristow said in a 1998 ad.
Huckabee's campaign then cried foul and accused Bristow of taking a swipe at Southern Baptists.
In 1992, when Huckabee was a candidate for the U.S. Senate, he said in a 229-question survey submitted by The Associated Press that he opposed placing women in combat roles in the military "because of my strong traditional view that women should be treated with respect and dignity and not subject to the kinds of abuses that could occur in combat."
However, Huckabee's traditional view of women apparently doesn't extend to the political arena.
In the same survey, Huckabee was asked about the number of women serving in the House and Senate. He wrote: "I really cannot say whether or not the presence of so few women has made any difference in Congress, but women are certainly as capable as men of serving in the Senate."
That view also extends to the White House. Huckabee said Thursday in the ABC interview that he fully expects a woman will be elected to lead the country someday - he just hopes it won't be next year since he wants the job.
"Will there be a female president? Of course there will. And should there be? Absolutely," Huckabee said.
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See all 86 CommentsHuckabee likes women. He thinks that everyone should own one.
The Southern Baptist Convention is highly opposed to women leading the church. And they trot out that Ephesians 6 scripture every time you turn around. They forget that scripture was written back when men were still half animal, and women NEEDED to be protected from other men.
Thank goodness women have learned that they DON''T have to submit, and in fact can knock your lights out if they are willing to go about it.
The fanatics are preaching the same thing over in Iraq....turn in your guns, ladies, the MEN will take care of you! And by Allah if you don''t keep your hair covered, we''ll just cut your head off and throw you in a ditch!
Maybe I do like living in the US after all! Oh, but wait. How many cases have we had in the US in the last year where guys have offered their wives when they got tired of being controlled? Or demanded alimony and child support? I bet every one of those guys voted for BUSH!
Posted by micma at 06:04 PM : Dec 13, 2007
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Huckabee likes women. He thinks that every MAN should own one.
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These people are the Christian Taliban. Just like the Muslim Taliban, if they get power over this country (which they desperately want) we will see "morality police" beating people in the streets and "purity squads" monitoring every kind of media to ensure they conform to THESE PEOPLE''S interpretation of the bible. Your home with be "Christ''s Castle" where every aspect of your personal lives is scrutinized by little Hitlers carrying bibles.
You think it fantasy? Paranoia? No- this is just the expressed intent of many of the leaders of this movement. They want to take the power of the American government, then they want to use it to make you live according to their dictates. They are doing this piece by piece - under the radar so the alarms are not set off.
"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of freedoms of the people by gradual and silent encroachment of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." -- James Madison
As nightfall does not come all at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be most aware of change in the air - however slight - lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
-Justice William O. Douglas
And if Huckleberry wants a BJ so he can be like Clinton, give him one, ***!
We already have an anti-science wingnut in the White House. Huckabee will drag us down the slippery slope into theocracy.
After the Iowa debate yesterday Mitt Romney stopped in Marion, Iowa to give a speech at Linn-Mar High School. He said the following:
%u201CAnd I%u2019m convinced the world will remember as well because you%u2019re going to do something which people don%u2019t expect, which is give me a victory,%u201D Romney said. %u201CAnd then I%u2019m going to New Hampshire where I%u2019m pretty solidly in the lead in New Hampshire, and I%u2019m gonna be in Nevada, and I%u2019m gonna win Nevada, and I%u2019m gonna be in Wyoming, and I%u2019ll win that one and Michigan. And we%u2019re gonna do pretty *** well%u2014that%u2019s at least what I plan."
.... Yahhh Hip Ha!!!
Everybody is reading all about this now. Mitt Romney is Howard Dean all over again. The media and the Democrats will now play this over and over and over and over.
This is what brought down Howard Dean and now is bringing down Mitt Romney. Republicans don''''t need another Howard Dean.
.... Yahhh Hip Ha!!!
Posted by memerider at 08:00 PM : Dec 13, 2007
At least he''s better than the previous flingbat who cared more for slippery things than the country. Huckabee''s record is the cleanest one of the bunch,and as far as I''m concerned, he''s the man for the job
Mature adults approach life''s problems as a team working for the common good. Those who value their marriage and their mate resolve issues through collaboration. Couples who truly respect one another recognize that both must occasionally defer to the other.
That''s a marriage; what your describing is a dysfuntional relationship masquerading as a marriage.
A tyrannical cult of personality based upon the insecurities of 2 people is not leadership.
The marriage you describe is an ideal scenario more prevelant before the age of radical feminism. The feminist ideology and agenda has put a rive into the family unit by pitting woman against man and/or confusing the distinctive roles each was meant for. Man,s physiological nature is and should be to lead and provide,and women,s genetical nature is to care and nurture. Thats essentially what each were made for,but now both sexes are not satisfied with nature,s design and hence we have chaos
Posted by jankebenz at 08:27 PM : Dec 13, 2007
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"flingbat" Is that FASCIST Slang for the last REAL President we had.. you know the guy who gave us 8 YEARS of REAL prosperity, PEACE and handed over a SURPLUS to the pathetic LYING Scum you call a President? ROFLMAO You freaks are SO arrogant it''s rediculous. What Clinton did is MILD to what the vast majority of the CEO''s in this nation do every week... Get off your high horse Sparky.. you aren''t surpior to anyone and the WORST President in US History PROVES that point!! Sieg Heil and AMEN!!
Posted by jankebenz at 09:21 PM : Dec 13, 2007
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You may fool some of the folks out there with this but not me. You see I was born and raised in the South and I know what he and you are saying. The Religious Reich had a real problem with the Women''s movement during the 60''s because it played into the movement of Blacks, Both groups were VERY surpressed in the South. Any Woman who "slipped" and gave in to nature was painted a "bad girl" or was forced into a wedding. Once "Wed" she became a slave for all intents and purpose''s. How many times I''ve heard these "human''s" say, "keep''em bare foot and pregnant and you don''t have to worry". They, like this loser, concidered Women as nothing more than Property to be used. Still do!
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Posted by memerider at 08:00 PM : Dec 13, 2007
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Maybe worse!
My wife could be desribed as a feminist but there''s nothing radical about her. I think the concept is more a figment of your imagination than a real phenomenon.
There''s nothing ideal about the marriage I describe, it''s the kind of marriage that I and most rational and well adjusted adults in the 21st Century have.
We both care and nurture and provide for one another and it''s totally natural. It''s not a 50-50 relationship, it''s a 100-100 relationship.
Is this fellow in the 21st century? I think he must belong in the Middle East.
They not only believe that, but are allowed four wives.
And he thinks we should elect him president of a western democracy ??
"Flingbat" descripes that wacko pres that had his brains in his dingdong, more interested in skirts than the country. Bush is no shining angel sure, but at least he took action after 9/11 to fight jihad,which seems to have escaped from many memories.And I,ll bet you were rooting for him just as hard as the other 85 percent back then. Surplus? give me a break,where were you back then? obviously not in tune with the 9 or so trillion we were already in debt
Posted by MCVet at 09:34 PM : Dec 13, 2007
It seems you are the one fooled, feminism was not instigated in the south by religion, but by anti christians rebelling against biblical principles and the status quo. Not surprising coming from a reich raper
Liberal Democrats...
I just don''t know what to think of them... "Organized chaos" is all I can bring to mind.
Posted by realpatriot1 at 09:41 PM : Dec 13, 2007
I''m glad for you,re marriage success, but with over 50 percent of other marriages failing within 5 years, something has gone awry with the "nature" of marriage.Modern ideals and morality have played a major factor in breaking conventionalism, thus the vast number of broken families.To have order,harmony, and function,rules of engagement are necessary to obtain success,unfortunatly the masses don''t like rules.
Posted by rosesnpearls at 09:55 PM : Dec 13, 2007
I wholeheartedly agree,you are wise,bless you
Posted by jankebenz at 10:42 PM : Dec 13, 2007"
Yep.
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I say leave Huckabee''s faith alone. He''s vying for the position of leadership of this country, not a seminary.
I too believe in the scripture. For one to disdain the law of God implies a disdain for any law. Thereby making any position of that one on law, obsolete.
MCVet, I see you''re still spreading your anti-American propoganda. I sure wish you''d change your user name. You tarnish the image of the rest of us veterans.
Please excuse me but I am a little confused by your post. "If you guys are so adament about keeping church and state separate, then why on earth do you keep trying to combine them? Liberal Democrats...I just don''t know what to think of them." I thought that the liberals were the ones who were trying to keep separation of church and state but you seem to be saying that it is the libs who are trying to keep religion involved in politics. I''m not trying to pick on you, I am sincerely interested in what you mean. As I have read many of your posts in the past I know that if you perceive that I am disagreeing with you you will attack but please don''t do that. This is just a request for clarification.
It''s well known that as goes the media, so goes the democratic stance. The past two days, there''ve been numerous articles by CBS and the other networks regarding Huckabee''s religion; constantly implying that Huckabee''s religion will be the governing foundation if he is elected. Huckabee as proven through 10 1/2 years as governor that his religion will not rule the government. 8 years is max term as president, 10 1/2 years should more than cover as an example of how he would lead.
But, you are right. I have been quite aggressive on this message board and I''ll try to adjust that.
You don''t have to answer this question if you don''t want to. I will certainly understand. I was wondering, from your name, do you live in Mo. or Ark.? I live in SW Mo. very close to Hwy. 71. Just curious.
Just hold on...! There you go again. Mr. Clinton tried for MONTHS to get Al Queda during his presidency. The CIA and FBI, pro''bly supported by the republicans, would not certify them as terrorists, so Mr. Clinton was not able to get landing privileges over there to send in the troops to get them! Mr. Bush was informed about Al Queda the day he took office and ignored them DELIBERATELY until the week before 9/11 to make it look like he was taking an interest. So get OFF the pissing in the wind about Mr.Clinton and the events of 9/11. It wasn''t on HIS watch!
As for the marriage issue, I see no value whatsoever in either partner in a marriage being submissive to anybody. Submissive means that somebody is going to have control! And that is against everything that a true partnership and the concept of supporting the relationship. And I agree that is why you MUST choose your partner wisely, and make a total commitment to the marriage. Those of you who found that partner and made that commitment, I commend you. Compromises and working out solutions to differences of opinion and nature is NOT submission.
However submission is the exact way that most theologist interpret the words of the Bible. And they apply it in the churches where they worship.
Mr. Huckabee won''t get my vote because he supports the republicans. Fortunately in this day and age, he can''t apply his beliefs to the work place. The 60''s did that for us, thank goodness.
Sort of says it all doesn''t it? Huckabee signed off on this so what more do you need to know. He uses his book of myths to try to force women into subservience and submission. I''m sure his uneducated, moonshine swilling hillbilly followers love this idea, but most Americans abhor it. We''re (hopefully) coming out of 7 years of a lunatic religious nut who listens to voices in his head because he thinks they''re "god" talking to him and it''s cost us a trillion dollars and, more importantly, nearly 4000 of our best young people in a war that didn''t have to happen. Do we really want someone else to drag us even further back into the dark ages?
This guy Huckabee is a religious loon and belongs in the Hills of Kentucky, not in the White House......
Posted by Element51 at 11:10 PM : Dec 13, 2007
RAmen!
They not only believe that, but are allowed four wives.
Posted by Vet1971 at 09:55 PM : Dec 13, 2007
I agree bro. Sounds to me like he''d make a great Muslim Mullah. His idea of women''s liberation is to allow a women to decide if she wants to wear a black burka or a grey one.
Posted by rosesnpearls at 09:55 PM : Dec 13, 2007
I wholeheartedly agree,you are wise,bless you
Posted by jankebenz at 10:48 PM : Dec 13, 2007
Now sit! Roll over! Play dead! Fetch! Bring me my slippers! Good girl! Now get me a beer and a pop pie bi*tch!
(yawn)
People. People, people, people. Don''t you all know that if you live in a union, a marriage, based on equality, you will have to submit to your spouse''s desires at one time or another. Otherwise, you''ll be fighting constantly and the marriage WILL fail. Why do you have such a problem with this "submissive" as presented in the Bible. If you''d read further, you''d see that the Husband is to be willing to DIE for the wife. I would hardly think that means the husband is an oppressive ruler over "his wo-man".
I just read a the response you made at 9:59 last night to my post at 8:43. Although your comments Bush & Clinton had no relation whatsoever to my comments about marriage I''d like to respond to what you addressed to me.
Republicans at the time were more interested in Clinton''s affection for skirts than in the country''s business, so no need for either side to get all morally superior. As far as Bush taking action after 911 and rooting for him, I was part of the 85% who wanted to kick tail in Afghanistan. I still do want to kick tail there and have been severely disappointed in the way he''s taken his eye off the ball on the real battlefield in order to launch the ill-advised misadventure in Iraq. It''s taken our resources away from the real war and has allowed the Taliban to reconstitute itself.
Clinton did respond to the USS Cole and the attacks in Africa in a proportionate manner. The attacks there weren''t compaarble to 911 and no Republicans at the time were calling for any more aggressive action than the ones Clinton took. His response to WTC1 led to the imprisonment of the perps.
Bush gave up on taking Bin Laden dead or alive a long time ago.
Women need to realize men are oppressing us, because they know we are the stronger s-e-x.
Only the Goddesses can save us.
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I would venture to guess that you are 5''4" to 5''6", weigh between 190 and 230 and your hair is cropped off skull cap short. You prefer brunettes and you force yourself to talk with a deep voice.
You feel men are oppressing you, yet you try your best to be one.
Posted by SgtRDS at 12:55 AM : Dec 14, 2007
Are you taking about you''re dog, or you''re wife? With that attitude,I would be surprised if you had a wife.
Posted by Hwy71So at 10:56 PM : Dec 13, 2007
A good example of delusional thinking. I don''t believe that God exists and reject the scripture. But I accept the rule of law that is practiced in our political system as necessary and good for society.
In fact, what is likely true is that someone who believes in the scripture will have nothing but "disdain" for any other kind of law but what they believe is God''s.
Liberal Democrats...
Posted by Hwy71So at 10:42 PM : Dec 13, 2007
You are one confused fellow. OK, I''ve said enough.
In fact, what is likely true is that someone who believes in the scripture will have nothing but "disdain" for any other kind of law but what they believe is God''''s.
Posted by jon2012 at 01:10 PM : Dec 14, 2007
Just because you don''t believe in God does''nt mean he is not real, thats just you''re thoughts. I''d like to point out that this nations laws are based on the original 10 commandments
In fact, what is likely true is that someone who believes in the scripture will have nothing but "disdain" for any other kind of law but what they believe is God''''s.
Posted by jon2012 at 01:10 PM : Dec 14, 2007"
Okay. Where does this law you choose get its foundation? On what authority is it based?
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