Why Liberal Women Dislike Hillary Clinton

The Skinny: Educated, Left-Leaning Females Are One Of New York Senator's Toughest Crowds

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They are like her, but they don't like her.

Such is the curious phenomenon of many educated, professional, liberal women of a certain age when it comes to Hillary Clinton, the Los Angeles Times reports. In fact, upper-middle-class women on the left are "historically her toughest crowd," the paper reports.

Why is this? The Times offers a handful of possibilities:

1) They're not as worried about job security as their more blue-collar peers (who are more pro-Clinton), so they feel free to judge the New York Senator as a peer.

2) They're disgusted by the fact that, while they struggled to break through barriers in the workplace, Clinton hitched her star to her man and followed him to the top.

3) They're disappointed by her support of the Iraq war and the fact that she has recreated herself as a centrist.

4) Women hold each other to an unrealistic standard.

5) She's trying to act too much like a man.

"What you may be hearing is the commitment to pacifism that some women associate with feminism," said Wendy Kaminer, a 57-year-old author and lawyer. "It's what I think of as the 'feminine' strain of feminism that sees women as bringing something to the table because they are not militaristic, work by consensus and don't play the boys' game. And Hillary is someone who has played the boys' game exceedingly well."

Jane Fonda perhaps summed up this view best in an interview with the LA Weekly last May, in which she called Clinton "a ventriloquist for the patriarchy with a skirt and a vagina." (It would be such a great quote, except when was the last time Hillary wore a skirt?)

The Times says Clinton has been working to overcome this skepticism from her sisters by appearing on "The View" and telling a Chicago audience that "I'm your girl."

Why this should endear her to feminist peers, I'm not quite sure, but something seems to be working. Support for Clinton among college-educated women jumped from 29 percent in June to 50 percent in October, according to the latest LA Times/Bloomberg poll.

The Most Expensive Weapons Program Ever

Believe it or not, the biggest financial concern for the U.S. military isn't how to pay for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Washington Post reports. Those are being taken care of by supplemental appropriations.

Rather it's figuring out how to pay the $200 billion estimated price of upgrading the largest war machine in history into the robotic, wireless, Buck Rodgers-esque force of military leaders' dreams.

The project involves creating a family of 14 weapons, drones, robots, sensors and hybrid-electric combat vehicles connected by a wireless network. Experts say it's the most ambitious modernization of the Army since World War II and the most expensive weapons program ever.

This vision has a name: Future Combat Systems, or FCS. It also has a growing number of grumbling critics - most notably in the Government Accountability Office - who say the billions that have been burned on the upgrade since it was envisioned in 1995 have not yielded anything all that great so far. Its long-term program is scheduled to kick into major production mode in the next decade.

The original story of the program is a little scary, given this week's developments in the U.S. relationship with Iran. Back in 1995, Maj. Gen. Robert Scales Jr. assembled a team of 700 who warred over two years in a huge simulation center in Pennsylvania. The blue team represented the Americans. The red team represented - remember, this is 1995 - the Iranians.

In one scenario, the Iranians captured Riyadh and began executing the royal Saudi family on live television. That drew the blue team into the streets of Riyadh, which, choked with heavy armor, became a bloody mess. Scales called the exercise the "aha moment" in which he learned that the United States needed to develop a lighter, quicker kind of warmaking.

An Era Ends In New York

For most of the last year and change, New Yorkers couldn't hear the words Daniel Doctoroff without it being accompanied by the epithet "the next Robert Moses."

The city's old master builder was experiencing a posthumous renaissance of sorts, thanks to several exhibitions dedicated to questioning the negative way he was portrayed in Robert Caro's Pulitzer Prize-winning "The Power Broker."

And it seemed like Doctoroff, the city's longest-serving deputy mayor for economic development with some power-brokerly tendencies of his own, was shining brighter for the reflected glow.

But in the New York Times' story about his resignation, the paper reports that Doctoroff leaves his post with a decidedly mixed legacy.

Despite his many achievements, much of his agenda remains unrealized. His defeats - the failed West Side Stadium and congestion pricing plans - are perhaps more famous than his victories. Nevertheless, in saying goodbye to the man who would soon go to work for a different wing of his empire - as president of Bloomberg L.P. - Mayor Mike Bloomberg couldn't resist the cliché comparison one last time.

"As chief architect of our five-borough economic development plan, Dan Doctoroff has done more to change the face of the city than anyone since Robert Moses."

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[vet_sk]

Perhaps it is just that she is a NeoCon, dressed up like a democrat. I just won''t vote if she get the nomination. Sad.

And experience is just code for bidding for the rich...and making them richer.

[cathomas71]

I am a female and I would NEVER support Billary! I think she a repulsive, lieing, lesbian ***!

[marcodele]

She probably has a good chance of being elected even if a majority of people despise her. Bush made electing despicable people acceptable.

[random_radar]

Perhaps Clinton has had trouble gaining support among liberal, educated women because they are smart enough to see that she is a demagogue and they still have principles.

Of course, the article mentions that her support is high among blue collar women and growing among liberal, educated women. So maybe they aren''t that principled or aren''t that smart after all?

I loved that quote from Jane Fonda. She nailed it.

[sgtrds]

Liberal women will vote for her if she is the nominee, because the GOP has nothing but jokes to offer as candidates. As to why they''re unhappy with her it''s because she admit that she was sucked into Bush''s lies about the war in Iraq. Until she repudiates that godawful stupid vote all liberals will be unhappy with her.

On a side note, overall liberal women are a lot hotter then republican women, so I''m glad no one bothered to ask GOP women what they think. Who cares?

[sgtrds]

because she admit

typo....make that because she WON''T admit......I need my morning coffee now......

[b-easy63]

ather it''s figuring out how to pay the $200 billion estimated price of upgrading the largest war machine in history into the robotic, wireless, Buck Rodgers-esque force of military leaders'' dreams.

The project involves creating a family of 14 weapons, drones, robots, sensors and hybrid-electric combat vehicles connected by a wireless network. Experts say it''s the most ambitious modernization of the Army since World War II and the most expensive weapons program ever.

This vision has a name: Future Combat Systems, or FCS. It also has a growing number of grumbling critics - most notably in the Government Accountability Office - who say the billions that have been burned on the upgrade since it was envisioned in 1995 have not yielded anything all that great so far. Its long-term program is scheduled to kick into major production mode in the next decade."













Star wars ala Reagan revisited? Dumb idea. Instead of planting IEDS, the enemy will just plant a few strategic EMP disrupters--THAT would bring the new army to its waterloo, quick, fast and with a lot less BOOM. Billions wasted then--who knew? LOL

[mudrose-2009]

Because she has experience through injection. Because she actually is a pansy. Because she came up the ranks by being the Philanderers hookup. She got her job in a law firm because the Philanderer was a Governor. She boasts experience because the Philanderer was in the WH, now she cries like a big baby when she''s put on the spot by her peers, and her experience is nothing more than wining a Senate seat that was a shoe in. Get the fkkk out of our lives clintoids.

[baghdadshere]

"Why Liberal Women Dislike Hillary Clinton
The Skinny: Educated, Left-Leaning Females Are One Of New York Senators Toughest Crowds"

The answer is simple: Because some liberal women have some brain and its still possible to find some liberal whomen whom dont have the IQ of a cockroach.

[radiob-2009]

Our nation jobs have been outsourced through tax credits elimination of tarriffs and none of the politicians have addressed the multiple free trade agreements or the tax decreases that have allowed US corporations to move or outsource US jobs overseas.

[gkc99]

"The answer is simple: Because some liberal women have some brain and its still possible to find some liberal whomen whom dont have the IQ of a cockroach."--Posted by BaghdadsHere


Don''t get your hopes up, neocon, they won''t be voting for any of your room temp IQ candidates either.

[sgtrds]

I just love to watch articles like this bring out the Hilliary haters.

Come on guys! Blame her for Vince Foster next!!!

LOL!

[mudrose-2009]

Our nation jobs have been outsourced through tax credits elimination of tarriffs and none of the politicians have addressed the multiple free trade agreements or the tax decreases that have allowed US corporations to move or outsource US jobs overseas.
Posted by radiob

We are part of a globabl economy. Catch up.

[marcodele]

I try not to blame Bush for everything. Just the massive intelligence failures, flaw intelligence reports, and death and destruction and deficits that his leadership caused.

[pepperp1]

Bull, I do not know ONE who will not vote for Senator Clinton not one and I know many, and I assure you those supposed rationales are *** especially the hitch part, professional educated women actually believe she is the power behind the man and the strength in that relationship taming the Bill Clinton demons and impulses, hitching nothing what a *** hit job and a dumb one at that.

[pepperp1]

just love to watch articles like this bring out the Hilliary haters.

Come on guys! Blame her for Vince Foster next!!!

LOL!


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Posted by SgtRDS at 11:10 AM : Dec 07, 2007



And dont forget Rosie is fat, WHAH

It was Hillary''s Iraq vote which disappointed me, but the fact of the matter is I still think she is very capable, politically savvy, and a formidable foe in any campaign. She is not my first choice,(I''m an Edwards fan) but I''ll vote for her if she is the nominee and I bet all these liberal women will, too!

[pepperp1]

This is what the Times article really said you right wing wacko learn to read%u2026%u2026%u2026

Some women are put off by Hillary Clinton, but if she''s the Democratic nominee, they''ll back her.


Told Ya, and Catholic women returning from the fringe right you error if you believe your own propaganda%u2026


Bull, I do not know ONE who will not vote for Senator Clinton not one and I know many, and I assure you those supposed rationales are *** especially the hitch part, professional educated women actually believe she is the power behind the man and the strength in that relationship taming the Bill Clinton demons and impulses, hitching nothing what a *** hit job and a dumb one at that.

Some women are put off by Hillary Clinton, but if she''s the Democratic nominee, they''ll back her.

[gkc99]

Hilly carries a lot of baggage due to her husband, whom she claims as part of her credentials.

Obama would be a better candidate.

But if Hilly runs against any of the Repugniscum losers, these anti-clinton women will vote for her in a heartbeat over Rudy the Cheater, Holy Huckleberry, Mitt the Mormon, or Punkinhead Fred.

I got $100 that says so.

[smiley676]

THEmagic07 Although I agree Obama is not the best choice. "Muslim blood" does not make someone untrustworthy.

[macusweil]

She voted to give Bush authorization to invade and occupy and see voted to authorized illegal spying on Americans without court oversight both of which are unconstitutional. The traitorous "patriot" act strips away hard fought civil liberties to help keep us safe.

To that I say "Live Free or die!"

Congressman Ron Paul, a Republican voted against Bush & Hillary, even his own party on Iraq & domestic spying.

[cathomas71]

I am not a neocon, nor a southerner, thank you very much!

[pepperp1]

lets not forget the Times is a Tribune Company and our favorite Secretary of Defense the incompetent Neo Con Rumsfield was on the Broad and is a current friend of the Editor of the Times and Novak the Traitor who betrayed former Officer Wilson as a favored editorial writer. The article is a baseless rag of a biased opinion piece.

What I find so amazing is the truth is the absolute opposite, I hear nothing but praise for Senator Clinton from this group and her desirability as the next President, of course if I tried like these partisan pundits I could find 3 people that would say something different.


I could maybe even maybe find a women of this ilk that wants Judith Nathan Giuliani to be her next first lady and make it a story about love of Rudy from this demographic, I think anyway nah no way.

[jankebenz]

Hilly carries a lot of baggage due to her husband, whom she claims as part of her credentials.
Posted by gkc99 at 12:17 PM : Dec 07, 2007

She carries a load of baggage of her own,just check out her history!

[jerr11]

I think they''re just jealous!

LOL

[ozonmojo]

There seem to be plenty of people who differ with the so-called liberal women.That is the strength of Hillary.

[pepperp1]

What I find so amazing is the truth is the absolute opposite, I hear nothing but praise for Senator Clinton from this group and her desirability as the next President, of course if I tried like these partisan pundits I could find 3 people that would say something different.


I could maybe even maybe find a women of this ilk that wants Judith Nathan Giuliani to be her next first lady and make it a story about love of Rudy from this demographic, I think anyway nah no way.

[rosesnpearls]

No, GKC, we are too smart to fall for Hillary''s artificialness. The chameleon. I''m a woman, but I''m not sure we''re ready for a woman in the White House. If we are, it certainly isn''t Hillary

[macusweil]

Hey Hillary this is what you voted for:

"It''s Christmas in Fallujah
And no one gives a ***.

And I just got your letter
And this what I read
You said I''m fading from your memory
So I''m just as good as dead
We are the Armies of the Empire
We are the Legionnaries of Rome

It''s Christmas in Fallujah
And we aien''t never coming home" ~Billy Joel

RonPaul4all.com

[mswolfestock]

I am a life-long Democrat and a female military veteran and I have never liked Hillary Clinton since she said that she "loathed" the military. She said this years ago, I think when Bill was running for the White House for the first time. They were both on 60 Minutes. She made it sound like there was "something wrong" with anybody who would enlist in the military. This might have been the same interview when she made that famous crack about not wanting to "stay home and bake cookies." She just doesn''t get it. She is out of touch with real working women, women who don''t happen to be US Senators, women who don''t happen to be half of a Power Couple. If Hillary Clinton ever did any REAL work, I''d really like to know about it. I will vote for a woman for President when there is a female candidate who has a better understanding about what other working women in the Real World are going through.

[excoachken]

This MAN''S opinion is that independent, progressive women were angered that she to the country/western songs advice to "Stand by your man." I think they would have dumped Bill in spite of the long term personal ambition they might have had. Hillary chose to overlook what most strong women would have walked away from. The real question is why? In spite of this and because she has been such an outstanding Senator for my state, she is my second choice for President, distantly behind John Edwards.

[excoachken]

To mwolfestock: I am also a veteran (''68-70) and could not agree less with you about Hillary and the military. She has consistently tried to help veterans and active duty soldiers alike. I have two nephews in Iraq as I write. Two weeks after the older one (45 yer old lifer) was first sent to Iraq, his wife found out the another lifer who had hired their daughter to babyysit at Ft. Polk, has sexually abused the girl. My nephew''s C.O. and even the Base Commander turned a blind eye to the mother''s report of the incident. As a last resort, my nephew wrote to Hillary. Within 10 days charges were brought, my nephew came home for the trial, and after the guilty verdict was reached, the girl was given extensive counseling all because Hillary responded to one G.I.s letter. Perhaps if you were exposed to more that the Rush Limbaugh line that is the only information available on Armed Forces Network as of now, you might be able to have a better understanding of who really SUPPORTS THE TROOPS!

[iceman_1960]

"...while they struggled to break through barriers in the workplace, Clinton hitched her star to her man and followed him to the top..."

That is a very unfair comment.

Hillary didn"t sit home and bake cookies.

She was a highly successful lawyer in her own right.

[iceman_1960]

That"s Laura Bush they"re thinking of.

Hillary Clinton was a rising star before she married Bill Clinton.

He was already out of office when she won her Senate seat.

Source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_clinton

[mswolfestock]

To exCoachKen - she''s just covering herself because she knows that somebody will call her on that comment (and others) when we get closer to the elections. She''s the ultimate politician''s politician . . . . . I''d vote for her if she could bring back the roaring economy that Bill brought to the country back in the Nineties, but I''m skeptical that she could do it. Heck I''m skeptical that anybody could do it, but we have absolutely got to get a Democrat back in the White House. I''m just not convinced that Hillary should be the choice.

[gretagreen]

Her position on the issues is why I have trouble supporting her, so #3 is the only one that makes any sense to me. I don''t really understand #1. Number 2 is not true; she is accomplished in her own right. Number 4 may be true but is not the reason I don''t support her; and I don''t think she acts like a man.

[setumstrt9]

This article should be "Why men and women dislike Hilary Clinton" She has the highest negatives of any presidential candidate in history. Nobody likes her.

[j-whitman]

stonebog1,,,, You finished shaveing ? --- You didn''t cut your legs did you ???

[shirk3-2009]

Too bad none of this is true. Liberal women love Hillary. This is just some made up *** to get in Hillary''s way.

[barbjc1]

O.K., Hillary is within my age group and I can tell you she did NOT have a easy way up. Being 60 years old means she was born in 1947, I was born in 1945 and I kicked and scraped my whole career in IT. Do any of you think it was easy to be a female attorney, especially if you did NOT specialize in family law?

[gkc99]

No, GKC, we are too smart to fall for Hillary''''s artificialness. The chameleon. I''''m a woman, but I''''m not sure we''''re ready for a woman in the White House. If we are, it certainly isn''''t Hillary "--Posted by rosesnpearls


Even if your self-characterization is true, I doubt you''re more than a tiny minority who would vote for a Romney or a Huckabee instead. Maybe Ron Paul?

[gkc99]

"Muslim%u2019s sons are Muslims for life.
--tried to change his identity. If you were born as a Muslim, you will always be a Muslim. No matter what you say or do"--Posted by jh6379



What total boolsheeyit! If you convert to another religion, or even renounce Islam, you are no longer a Muslim, you are an apostate, and under a death sentence from the Muslim heirarchy.

Your view is incorrect and un-American to boot, goosestepper.

[gkc99]

I''''m a woman"--Posted by rosesnpearls


Are you an educated, left-leaning woman?

Or a Laura Bushit type?

[mandylou4u]

All these women could probably work together and get somewhere. Jealousy is a bad problem among women also. That''s probably most of the problem right there. Mrs. Clinton may not be the best, but don''t forget, she is very educated and has basically spent her whole life getting ready for this career. So what she hitched a ride on her hubbys coat tails, how did those other women get all that money they got? I''m sure they didn''t all come by it honestly...

[dogsoul]

Liberal women are nut bags who process EVERYTHING thru a complicated maze of fleeting feelings, fashionable causes, & abismal self esteem. The very concept that liberal women DON''T like Hillary actually gives Hillary more credibility... unfortunately for Hillary though... it''s got more to do with being catty than anything else. Besides, liberal women are chalk full of blatant hypocrisy & obvious contradictions that they''ll vehemently deny no matter what - they''re the type that jabber on about equality this, women''s rights that - and yet feel perfectly comfortable with the idea that women get preferential treatment when it comes to hiring quotas, criminal prosecutions, custody issues, paternity fraud, even who pays on dates...

For liberal women - it has absolutely nothing to do with what''s right or wrong, what works & what doesn''t, what''s good for the country or otherwise...

It''s got everything to do with how they are perceived by their fellow liberals & how that makes them feel inside - facts, reality, truth - that''s just incidental nonsense to the typical liberal life bathed in superficiality...

[rowdytexan2]

"Support for Clinton among college-educated women jumped from 29 percent in June to 50 percent in October, according to the latest LA Times/Bloomberg poll."

Go girls!

[toolmangler-2009]

I believe #4 is the most accurate reason women don''''t like her:
4) Women hold each other to an unrealistic standard.

Posted by jcnbma at 01:44 PM : Dec 07, 2007



That reads; "Will you quit acting like a (gasp) mere Man?"

[smiley676]

Are you an educated, left-leaning woman?

Or a Laura Bushit type?


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Posted by gkc99

You are implying that only educated women are "left-leaning?" Or that "left-leaning" comes from education?

I''m a women. And I am educated. And I am neither left-leaning nor right-leaning.

[catmontty]

I''m a woman and I''m not against a woman president at all. But Hillary will won''t win. Especially if Obama (with Oprah''s support) is against her. It''s a hard decision if you are a Dem. Between the two, I''d rather vote republican!

[rowdytexan2]

Posted by dogsoul at 02:40 PM : Dec 07, 2007

Hogwash! I''ve paid my way my whole adult life and expect nothing from another soul, except what I''ve gained by my own hands and brains.

And I *** sure know that these Neocons have ruined and raped our country. That''s a total no=brainer! And it''s WRONG!

Some of you guys need to get your head out of your behinds and zip up! Get some air to the brain up top!