Clinton Goes On Offense Against Obama

Washington Post: Losing Ground In Latest Iowa Poll, Clinton Mounts Aggressive Attack

(Washingtonpost.com)  This story was written by Anne E. Kornblut.

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With a new poll showing her losing ground in the Iowa caucus race, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) mounted a new, more aggressive attack against Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) on Sunday, raising direct questions about his character, challenging his integrity and forecasting a sharp debate over those subjects in the days ahead.

Clinton has hammered Obama recently over his health-care proposal, arguing that he is misleading voters because it omits millions of people and would not lower costs. But Sunday, in a dramatic shift, she made it clear that her goal is to challenge Obama not just on policy but also on one of his strongest selling points: his reputation for honesty.

"There's a big difference between our courage and our convictions, what we believe and what we're willing to fight for," Clinton told reporters here. She said voters in Iowa will have a choice "between someone who talks the talk, and somebody who's walked the walk."

Asked directly whether she intended to raise questions about Obama's character, she replied: "It's beginning to look a lot like that."

The Obama campaign quickly fought back, and the candidate himself called the new effort a sign of desperation. A new Des Moines Register poll released Sunday finds Clinton three points behind Obama, within the poll's margin of error, among likely Democratic caucusgoers.

"I think that folks from some of the other campaigns are reading the polls and starting to get stressed and issuing a whole range of outlandish accusations," Obama said. His advisers -- and some of hers -- believe that if Clinton loses the Iowa caucuses on Jan. 3, her status as the front-runner nationally will evaporate.

On the Republican side, the Register's poll showed a continuing surge for former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, who described his campaign as "on fire." Huckabee garnered the support of 29 percent of respondents, 17 points better than in the previous poll. Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney pulled in 24 percent, a drop of five points.

The survey marked the first time Romney has slipped from the lead in the state since early summer. The result is a dramatic shift in the Republican contest, which had been shaping up as a nasty, two-man race between Romney and former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani.

As a consequence, Romney has begun to turn his attacks toward Huckabee as he faces the prospect of losing a state that he spent millions to win. That would be a devastating blow to Romney's strategy of minimizing his lackluster performance in national polls by pointing to his enduring strength in Iowa and New Hampshire.

Huckabee said on ABC's "This Week," "That's why there's an excitement about my campaign. It's just not about Mike Huckabee. It's about all those Americans out there who were told what they couldn't do, what they couldn't become."

The new Clinton strategy, acknowledged by her senior advisers as an intentional pivot, carriessignificant risks and could produce a potential backlash if voters perceive her as growing too negative. The Register's poll also found that Clinton was seen by Iowa voters as the most negative of the Democratic contenders.

Obama had the support of 28 percent of respondents, up six points from the last Register poll, in early October. Former senator John Edwards (N.C.) drew 23 percent. Clinton was in the middle at 25 percent, down four points from early October. The margin of error is 4.4 percentage points.

Clinton, campaigning across Iowa on Sunday, appeared to be spoiling for a fight with her chief Democratic rival in national polls -- even at one point describing the battle as "fun."

"I have said for months that I would much rather be attacking Republicans, and attacking the problems of our country, because ultimately that's what I want to do as president. But I have been, for months, on the receiving end of rather consistent attacks. Well, now the fun part starts. We're into the last month, and we're going to start drawing the contrasts," she said.

That drew a swift rebuke from Obama. "This presidential campaign isn't about attacking people for fun, it's about solving people's problems, like ending this war and creating a universal health care system," he said in a statement. "Washington insiders might think throwing mud is fun, but the American people are looking for leadership that can unite this country around a common purpose."

Obama advisers described the strategy as foolhardy, and reminiscent of the approach perfected by former Bush White House adviser Karl Rove: going after a front-runner on his strengths and challenging his sincerity.

The intensified back-and-forth between Clinton and Obama appeared certain to aggravate the Edwards campaign, which is combating the perception of a two-person race in Iowa when polls show that he is still very much in contention.

Clinton advisers had telegraphed her new, hard-knuckled approach before she brought it to the campaign trail herself.

On a Sunday talk show, communications director Howard Wolfson criticized the Illinois senator for using a political action committee to distribute money to candidates in local contests, some in early presidential primary states. "There's a lot that voters don't know about Barack Obama," Wolfson said on CBS's "Face the Nation."

The Clinton campaign has been steadily building what it describes as a character case against Obama for several weeks, particularly over his health-care plan. Clinton has argued that he is being disingenuous when he claims his plan would achieve universal coverage.

Obama's plan would not mandate that all people buy health insurance; instead it focuses on lowering costs. Strategists said Clinton chose health care as a target area because she believes she has a large advantage on the issue among many voters.

Sunday, however, marked the first time that Clinton raised the character question so bluntly on the campaign trail. In a question-and-answer session with reporters after her first stop, she said that "you can't get a straight answer" from Obama on health care.

Clinton advisers said they make no apology for going on the offensive after months of criticism by both Obama and Edwards. "Senator Obama is a fabulous orator, but we need more than words," Wolfson said in an interview. "We don't need someone who says one thing and does another, somebody who talks a good game but doesn't have the courage of their convictions. And on issue after issue, Senator Obama says one thing and does another."

Staff writer Michael D. Shear in Washington contributed to this report.

[mr_snrub1]

Hillary is on a political kamikaze mission! She''s throwing those stones from within her glass house with incredible vigor!

[rowdytexan2]

Go Hillary! Just be careful...slinging mud is not attractive in any candidate. However there comes a time when enough is enough! You need to sling some of it back!

I''d rather here more about domestic issues, than mud. But even more than that, I want to see some action that stops Mr. Bush in his tracks NOW! Don''t neglect what he''s trying to do right now...it''s just as important as winning this election!

[prinzowhales]

I hope Iowans who insist on voting in the Democratic Primary will support Dennis Kucinich instead of these wretched excuses for an opposition. Obama and Clinton are just two sides of the same old War Pig coin....look at their major advisors...their big contributors...they are going to carry on the Bush strategy just as Nixon carried on the Johnson strategy.

The health care crisis in this country ultimately stems from two trends--the decline in the nutritional value of food per calorie of intake and the increase in toxins in the environment. The health care solutions that are offered by the candidates don''t deal with this--they use tax dollars to fund the purchase of more patent nostrums at fantastic prices.

[realpatriot1]

Bush-Cheney lite is ready to spring into action! The real Hillary is about to show her true character by launching a Rove-style smear campaign, the same kind she whines about the Republicans launching against her.

Her attitude seems to be, if I can''t get the nomination I''m going to take prisoners. It''s all about her.

She''s as loyal a Democrat as Joe Lieberman or Zell Miller.

She''s the last person deserving of the nomination of the party and all loyal democrats will see this witch for what she really is.

[vangmn]

"She said that ''you can''t get a straight answer'' from Obama on health care."

Could we get a straigth answer from HRC about her support of the War in Iraq in 2002? We could have universal healthcare in 1993 when she drafted her universal healthcare plan. Why are we still waiting to get universal healthcare plan from HRC? That will never happen. Only Obama will bring about this change.

[afmca]

Hillary doesn''t need to go on the offensive against Obama, she needs to actually articulate clear views on the issues. All her answers appear to be calculated and non-specific. Her advisors are doing her no good by making her appear to stand for little or nothing. Obama is gaining because people believe he has ideas that are not developed by a think tank. If she starts to actually make people believe she would be a leader and not a waffling politico her numbers would return. That said, I would still vote for Hillary over any Repub candidate .. they are all Bush clones and don''t deserve to be considered.

[idlepugilist]

It does seem ironic, after several weeks of Democractic contenders going on the attack against Hillary for daring to be in the lead, she will now be seen as a Karl Rove-style politician who will smear her opponents in order to look like George Bush. Truly, what is the issue with Hillary going on the "attack"? Does it seem inappropriate for a woman to attack a man''s convictions or character after weeks of enduring the same?

[gunownerdan]

Obama and Clinton are both CFR members who hate America.

[tempy123]

"Mandate" seems an UGLY choice of words for someone who claims "Pro-Choice" in other life areas.
Might I propose something like "freedom of choice" and "help" through lowering the exorbitant "cost" of BOTH health-care and medical expenses... oh wait, that is what Obama proposed.

I''d add 1 little piece though... no deductible under $100 EVER. That is what made all the costs go up... it''s because we are trying to be Socialists with our Health-Care. (Which DECADES of international experience [like Canada, and Britain] have shown us DOESN''T work, and makes things TERRIBLE so that people pay 50% taxes AND end up coming to America for the important stuff because they are afraid that their over-subsidized and under-qualified medical facilities will MESS them up).

[caliban427]

Clinton Used Foundation to Make Early State Donation. "And just this week, no doubt unintentionally, she stumbled on another way to leverage non-campaign cash into a political benefit in a primary state when money from the Clinton Family Foundation, the Clintons'' family-funded charity that has given them tax write-offs since 2001, popped up to provide an assist. On Tuesday, during a swing through the hotly-contested early primary state of South Carolina, Hillary presented a $100,000 gift from the foundation to help build a new public library in poor, rural Marlboro County, South Carolina." [Newsday, 11/29/07]

[caliban427]

Clinton Used HillPAC To Pay Employees of Presidential Campaign In January of 2007. Clinton used HillPAC to pay four members of her campaign staff in 2007, when her presidential campaign was in its formative stages. Patti Solis Doyle received $42,165 in wages and consulting fees; Heather Hurlburt received $6693 in consulting fees; Judith Litchman received $4368 in consulting fees, and Peter Daou received $3971 in consulting fees. All four of those people are now on Clinton''s presidential campaign. Patti Solis Doyle received her first paycheck from the campaign on 2/2/07, as did Peter Daou; Heather Hurlburt and Judith Lichtman received their first consulting payments on the same date. [FEC, accessed 11/27/07]

[caliban427]

Clinton Used HillPAC to Donate $234,000 to Early States Since 2001; $59,000 In Donations Made In 2006. Clinton gave $234,000 from HillPAC to the early primary states of Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina since 2001. Almost $60,000 in donations, including money to the Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina Democratic Parties, Governor John Lynch, and Governor Chet Culver, were made during 2006. [FEC, accessed 11/27/07]

[realpatriot1]

Idlepugilist,

I for one have no problem with her going after him on the issues, which is all anyone has done with her.

My problem arises when a candidate and their political advisers threaten to go after someone''s character. That''s generally a percursor to the kind of swift-boat politics we could do without. She does have a track record on Rovian-style politics, just ask the Republicans who had their FBI files pilfered.

It remains to be seen what how her threats really translate, but she won''t get elected by tearing others down without offering a vision of her own that voters can buy into.

[cbs_oliver]

The word "plan" as in health care plan appears three times in this story. The word "race" occurs three times. The word "poll" appears about 13 times.

We need more stories about the actual content of politicians proposals/plans and fewer stories about what "media pundits" say about their poroposals or how that media chatter has influenced what "regular people" say (poll results).

Where in the media I can read analyses of the candidates actual proposals? Anywhere?

[pepperp1]

No doubt one of the rabid foaming mouth we hate black people out here representing the GOP base and their platform of the anti social personality disorder. Feel real brave using the N word do ya, poodle.

[shrillary]

With a tip of the hat to Sprio, nattering nabobs of negatism. She reminds me more of Richard Nixon in drag every day.

[shrillary]

With a tip of the hat to Sprio, nattering nabobs of negatism. She reminds me more of Richard Nixon in drag every day.

[hawksprings]

Why must Hillary participate in the Politics of Personal Destruction?
Why must she be so mean-spirited?
Why must she cooperate with the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy against Obama?

I thought she was against all these things.

[kiwi_chick]

tempy123...your summation of socialized healthcare is spot on...i know, i lived with it for 23 years. Clinton''s social healthcare is workable only in her own tiny mind.

[pepperwood2]

Come on! What''s the REAL story here.

Barack Obama''s surge over Hillary Clinton in Iowa marks a new turn in the race that Clinton is describing as the "fun" part %u2014 the month before voting begins for the Democratic presidential primary nomination.

This should come as no great revelation to the American people. Our Country & The American People has all ready had a pretty good dose of The Clinton''s Politics of Hate & Personal Destuction.

"Fun" she calls it. we thrive on lies, hate & playing the race card as often as I can get the Media to go along with me" she says. And don''t forget, the real truth in the end, is that Our Democratic National Committe will appoint me, even if OBAMA or some other ....legally wins, if they can get away with it.


"Isn''t this SLICK FUN or what. They don''t call us Slick for nothing! I LOVE IT" - CACKLE CACKLE CACKLE

[radiob-2009]

Character???? out of these flea infested lapdogs all 17 of them on both sides of the aisle. A bedbug has more character.

[skypete]

Be Careful Hillary, mud doesn''t look good on anyone''s pantsuit.

[prinzowhales]

Huckabee vs. Romney vs. Giulliani...War Pig vs. War Pig vs. War Pig...If you waste your vote on these ''Three Little War Piggies'' you''re getting Bush wars, Bush-onomics, Bush foreign policy...the main difference being, I presume, that none of them are afraid of horses like Queen George.

[gangesdak]

Clinton haters are very vocal, i admit. But the silent majority will take charge in the end. Hate mongers will only then have to burn all alone by themselves; maybe you all will consider moving to Canada to cool yourselves.

[pepperp1]

And they should Senator Clinton brings Intelligence, Class, Ethics and Leadership to the Democratic Party and actually elevates them from themselves and self destructive non pragmatic fringe groups. She is squeaky clean, having the most extensive and exhaustive background check preformed on her every move since birth conduct by rabid partisan prosecutors looking to make her the prosecutors ham sandwich and he did not find a toe stub after spending 66 Million or our tax for this outrageous fraud.

She is absolutely electable and our probable next President and we the People will prosper because of it and protect and fight for our right to elect the next President and have our votes count.

[shanev137]

Speaking of integrity....just how many chances should you give to a cheating husband Hillary? LOL

[balto_babs]

tempy123 and kiwi_chick ,
Clinton is NOT suggesting government run, socialized health care. Next time why not try reading the facts before you stick foot in mouth. Clinton''s plan is to require mandatory private health insurance and provide assistance to those people who can''t afford the premiums.

[oleander8]

Why all the bitterness over Clinton going on the offensive? The "boys" have been doing this for months to her. No more Ms. Nice Gal -- go get''em Hillary.

[oleander8]

"...just how many chances should you give to a cheating husband"

As many as you want - it''s no ones business but your own.

[bookwerm314]

Hillary giving Obama a hard time on character is like Hitler giving Ghandi a hard time. Jeez.

Hillary is known and doing well (or was) for ALL the wrong reasons.. transferred unearned fame from her Husband.. "me too" voting that didn''t display presidential level wisdom, NOT a standout.. just the best known. And I just hate that the presidential election, at least the early stages, is a "popularity" contest just like at an inbred high school.

Obama did good things before others were watching, donating his time, just for the sake of it.. With Hillary, it has always been for the audience.. when she is left to her OWN devices, she does things like join the board at Walmart, and be the second largest recipients of Big Pharm and HMO money in the country! So just like cockroaches come out when the lights are off, Hillary did some nasty stuff when she didn''t have high visibility.. and now she desperately is sweeping those cockroaches under her PAC funded table and gleaming us with her sick fake smile.

[prinzowhales]

"Cattle Futures" Clinton is a crook. She took swag disguised as profits from futures trading that came on the advice of a Tyson Foods executive. And Tysons got a ''by'' on its pollution of Arkansas rivers. People who support her have the same kind of true believer mentality as those who are supporting Bush to the bitter end.

Her health care program was a farce designed to fail before Congress...it was a give-away to Big Pharma.

She is getting campaign funding from the arms industry and Wall Street interests that support the Stupid Peoples'' War....a war she supports!

She has the support of many in AIPAC--the nest of spies who serve the interests of Israel first and two of whose leaders are awaiting trial for espionage against the United States in time of war.

And, she supported the KLA--the INTERPOL-named drug gang that Billy allied the USA with to attack Yugoslavia....breaking four treaties and the NATO Charter in the process.

[vastr-wcon]

Here''s the rest of the "case" for O-BOMBA:

1. He is the most ignorant, inexperienced and lest-capable Dem politician running for president.

2. He is a total hypocrite on lobbyists. His efforts in support of Illinois lobbyists have cost US taxpayers $12 million (so far). (Documented by Brian Ross on July 16 - see ABC NEWS website) Michael Bauer, part of BO''s National LGBT Leadership Council, is registered as a lobbyist with ResPubica Group, a Chicago based firm that serves corporate and noncorporate clients.

3. His shady real-estate dealings with his partner-in-crime Rezko stink!

4. Bomb Pakistan, a current US ally.

5. O-BOMBA is so devoid of creative thought, he has to steal the campaign ideas of John Edwards on healthcare, poverty and nuclear proliferation and try to pass them off as his own.

6. Note carefully this exchange to understand how dangerous it would be to have such an IGNORAMUS in change of nuclear weapons:

2007-08-02 19:00:39 -

WASHINGTON (AP) - Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday he would not use nuclear weapons +in any circumstance.
+I think it would be a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance,; Obama said, with a pause, +involving civilians.; Then he quickly added, +Let me scratch that. There''s been no discussion of nuclear weapons. That''s not on the table."

O-BOMBA is dangerous. America can, and MUST, do better than O-BOMBA.

[hillaryin08]

Karl Rove is going to help Obamma now

[hennogaijin]

Hillary''s health "plan" is to force everyone to buy insurance?? Why is she running as a Democrat??

[mike71067]

"What about? OBAMA for president. Clinton or Biden for Vice-Presidents."
-Posted by samt66 at 01:47 PM : Dec 03, 2007

What about Huckabee or Romney for president, and Obama, Clinton, and Biden as the depressed Democrat losers who move to France in protest.

[rowdytexan2]

Posted by mike71067 at 02:04 PM : Dec 03, 2007

Any republican is a no-go until they can renounce the neocon manifest destiny for oil. Enough is enough!

They every one of them know what Bush has done to this country, and not one of them has embranced change or even mentioned it! To me, that means they are of the same lying, thieving ilk!

[tbweb]

"Clinton Goes On Offense Against Obama"

When has Clinton not been on the offense?

[shanev137]

She''s a spousal doormat and coattail rider with too much baggage, who''s never been in charge of anything big in her entire life.

[samthetvcat]

"2. He is a total hypocrite on lobbyists. His efforts in support of Illinois lobbyists have cost US taxpayers $12 million (so far)."
Posted by VastR-WCon

The true question is whether he did this out of self-interest or because it furthered the interests of the public at large. He only got $1,100 worth of sponsorship wee AFTER the fact from only ONE of the two companies. He got nothing from the other.

According to another ''expose'' at www.townhall.com (from the right!), they found:

"But while in the state legislature, Obama was a relatively small fish when it came to Illinois political money. He usually got donations of a few hundred dollars or maybe $1,000 in a state where interest groups routinely give key officials tens of thousands of dollars at a time."

"Obama helped pass two of the toughest ethics laws in Illinois history, and both of them attempted to reduce the influence of lobbyists. Obama also co-sponsored a 2003 law that, among other things, barred lobbyists from serving on government boards and commissions and further tightened the restrictions on gifts to legislators.

"After his election to the U.S. Senate, Obama was a leader in the successful effort to strengthen federal ethics laws. Lawmakers now have to disclose the names of lobbyists who raise money for them by "bundling" donations from many people. They also have to disclose special projects they try to add to the budget."

[gheemaster38]

Hillary''''s health "plan" is to force everyone to buy insurance?? Why is she running as a Democrat??


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Posted by HenNoGaijin at


I was wondering the same thing. How do you force someone making 8 bucks an hour and barely paying rent to buy medical insurance? What is the penalty if they cant afford it and drop it. Lose of driving priviledges? Prison? I was interested in what she had to say until that foolishness came forth from her mouth. SO I waited on a genious plan to come out and it never did. SOOOO, I drew an X through her name because that tells me she is out of touch with reality. Thompsons is a good actor but, would be lousy President-X through his name- Obama Maybe in 2016 or sometime in the future when he has garnered more experience. Not crossing him out yet though-Ron Paul_Still listening to him also.. Guilani I cant spell his name.. sooo *** him out.. Besides all I can remember him doing is taking great pictures during 911 Nothing else.

[denn034]

From the story: "character, challenging his integrity." Hillary doesn''t have mirrors I see.

[agnim]

I used to adore Hilary Clinton; but her lack of proper rest has really brought out the white witch of her character.

Now we are getting more of a hint as to why Bill Clinton sought blow jobs elsewhere away from his bi-tch: His really fat cow is enduring endless hot flashes.

[rowdytexan2]

Posted by mjlewis6 at 02:33 PM : Dec 03, 2007

Yep, that''s the one I remember too!

Plus, I remember he wrecked the state education tax system while he was down here. Gave everybody an exemption on state property tax, which meant the average homeowner got a $100 exemption and his buddies in their mansions got thousands. He was praised as a hero for this until everyone realized that local property tax would have to go up to cover it. This meant lots of small farmers and ranchers had to sell their properties to the developers.

Isn''t it strange how these guys can be lauded as heroes when in fact they''re nothing but shysters.

The teachers and state employees flat out told him he would not go to Washington unless they got a raise that year. So he gave them one, which was a pittance, like 2% or something, which they were already 15% behind salarywise. They hadn''t had a raise in about 10-15 years. They thought he was some kinda hero too. The fact was that in all those 10-15 years, I never missed a step in raises, because I always made sure that my work contribution deserved a merit raise. Everybody just thinks it should be handed to them.

That''s what apathy will let happen to you. When you don''t care enough to watch what they''re doing, you just get whatever scam they want to throw your way.

[rowdytexan2]

I think most everybody just hears the part about forcing everyone to get insurance because that''s all they want to hear.

You''re not listening to the part where she said she will make sure they''re regulated, so that they can''t drop you in the middle of coverage, provide less coverage, and so that it is affordable for all.

I think a sliding scale insurance plan would insure that everybody pays something.

I see to many young ones driving around in brand new cars, buying new clothes, carrying one or two cell phones, and yacking their head off while they drive down the road. Plus $50-$60 hair do''s every other week and a child on each hip with a different baby daddy for each who contributes NOTHING to their care.

All these kids are on food stamps, housing assistance, electric bill assistance, and NONE of them are applying for the Pale (sp?) Grants to get into a junior college and learn a skilled trade. It''s FREE!

I believe in giving them a helping hand...but there needs to be a limit on it.

[hip323773]

what a shame Barack raps hope and and ethics, while throwing mud since the last 3 months, breaking PAC rules, preaching no lobbyist funding while taking money from lobbyist during senate campaigns...offering money to early primary state campaigns...looking up old clinton videos to attack hillary while preaching to steer away from old politics.....WHAT A PHONY.....NOT WHAT AMERICA NEEDS COS ITS BEGINING TO SOUND TO ME LIKE A ONE-TIME TEXAS GOV. that promised change in washington but turned out to be the biggest Joke of all time....What the country needs is a tested group of smart people that will fight for America as always..

[samthetvcat]

There seems to be a pattern emerging with the comments in support of Hillary . . . like they all seem to be from angry women who don''t feel respected by men and who don''t feel like they are being heard (?) Like maybe they identify with her since Bill wasn''t very respectful towards her in the sense that he cheated on her so many times . . .

So I''m curious to see whether Oprah''s campaigning will make some of her supporters feel like even though they identify with some of Hillary''s life experiences, that Obama has platforms that move them to want to support the causes he supports. Like Oprah''s not just a ''celebrity endorsement'' or someone with the power to pick books that will push them onto the best-seller list . . . she makes people feel heard and gives people hope and challenges people to strive for more. Obama''s running on a platform of improving education and healthcare, and paying down debt and trying new ideas . . . it''ll be easy for Oprah to get on stage and say that all the inspiration she''s been sharing with people on her show all these years (all the Dr. Phil, Dr. Oz, Suze Orman, Rachel Ray stuff) Obama will try to implement if he becomes president. This''ll be interesting to watch!

[rph0714]

I believe it''s onething when you are comparing one''s ideas to another to give a sense of difference, but it''s another when you attacks someone''s character. For Hillary I know that she was trying to steer clear of attacking her opponents because of her already unlikeability standing with voters. What we see now is who she is (I am not a Hillary Basher) - like it''s been said, she will do anything to become President. I look at all the candidates personalities and approaches. I personally would not vote for Hillary, yes she has experience - they all have experience, but I believe, how one runs their campaign is how they will run the White House.

[glaswolf]

I thinks Edwards is the consumate electable Democrat for President. Edwards needs to ignore the scrap as Obama and Clinton get into a ladies'' cat fight on an internet international stage. Clinton will most likely go personal viciously which was characteristic of university leftists short of logic(NeoCons are leftist too) and Obama will pull his race card characteristic of church blacks as IQ''s clash. If Edwards remembers the first few lines in any response must have some rudiments of a solution approach to a meaningful national problem, avoiding redundancy so we get a holistic view of his problem solving thought processes over time, he will ultimately win the nomination and the Presidency, as Obama and Clinton undermine each other. Those who hear Senator Edwards "think reflectively" before a camera are impressed by his pragmatism and sincere demeanor. Candidate Edwards should remain relaxed about attention, letting people compare him with others themselves. The World would be augmented with a President Edwards, he would significantly reduce tensions because he is real, transparent and a thoughtful correlating problem solver. President Edwards sounds right to me.

[formrusmcsgt]

I used to adore Hilary Clinton; but her lack of proper rest has really brought out the white witch of her character.

Posted by Agnim at 06:21 PM : Dec 03, 2007

Her false "schmooze" character isn''t working, so we''re seeing the true "catty" nature of her character coming out.

I have to laugh at her reference some months back to the Repubs and their penchant for personal attacks.

I haven''t decided as yet for whom I shall vote, but Obama is certainly showing more class than Hillary at this point, by a long shot.

[pepperp1]

"There''s a big difference between our courage and our convictions, what we believe and what we''re willing to fight for," Clinton told reporters here.


Looks like the if I would have shown up to vote, or if I would have been in another office I would have voted is finally being called on what appears to be the politics of political convenience if some one else dose the hard work first and its not tested to be controversial then Obama is for it, scratch the surface not sure there is substance under that grin and we just had 7 years of terror under a similar compassionate, ahhh hopeful slogan resume.