5,960 Civilians Killed In Mogadishu In '07

Banned Rights Group Says Nearly 8,000 Wounded, Over 700,000 Displaced From Somalia Capital

(AP)  Violence in Somalia's war-ravaged capital has killed 5,960 civilians this year, the country's oldest human rights group said Sunday.

Sudan Ali Ahmed, chairman of Elman Human Rights, also said 7,980 people were wounded and more than 700,000 displaced from their homes as the country's government has struggled to contain a bloody Islamic insurgency.

The group, which releases monthly human rights reports, has been tallying the death toll in secret after the mayor of Mogadishu banned the organization in October.

"Our staff members are collecting figures and facts about human rights abuses by visiting residential areas and medical centers," Ahmed told The Associated Press by telephone Sunday from an undisclosed location.

Mogadishu Mayor Mohamed Dheere ordered the independent Somali group to close its offices on Oct. 8. Ahmed said his group was accused of spreading "exaggerated and false information" about the country's fragile government.

Dheere could not immediately be reached for comment as his cell phone want unanswered.

Elman Human Rights has 116 staff across the country. The group has tracked the killings of civilians during Mogadishu's near-daily violence this year and has also reported on violations in recent years.

Several human rights groups have accused the government, insurgents and Ethiopian troops of committing abuses.

Ethiopia came to the aid of Somalia's government in December to rout an Islamic group called the Council of Islamic Courts. The Islamic group's fighters then threatened an Iraq-style insurgency, and thousands of Mogadishu residents have been killed this year in the capital's seemingly endless gun battles, grenade and mortar attacks.

Somalia has not had a functioning government since a group of warlords overthrew dictator Mohamed Siad Barre in 1991, then turned their heavily armed supporters on each other.

[toolmangler-2009]

The current research discloses the "true" origin of AIDS, which didn''''t come from a "green monkey", but cooked by American and European virologists, scientists, etc. using "bad host" chimpanzees, created an experimental polio vaccine, which they used to, first, vaccinate the Congolese, and then majority of Africans, later spawning the AIDS virus.

Posted by kailumego1 at 11:54 PM : Dec 02, 2007



So! what your research has shown is that The USA turned AIDS loose on the world? why?

[kailumego1]

ToolMangler, I am doing a world AIDS research encompassing all 248+ countries, including Islands, I got a bulk of my data from CIA Fact Book, UNAIDS, WHO, BBC, NPR news stations, etc.

The current research discloses the "true" origin of AIDS, which didn''t come from a "green monkey", but cooked by American and European virologists, scientists, etc. using "bad host" chimpanzees, created an experimental polio vaccine, which they used to, first, vaccinate the Congolese, and then majority of Africans, later spawning the AIDS virus.

I never rely on the unilateral and often biased material published by so-called American scholars unless they are creditable, nor do I rely on American media to deliver the truth, NPR and BBC all the way..

I''ve listened to NPR news some time ago, which elaborated on the flaws in aid going to Africa, and Africa''s indebtedness to Europe and America..

NPR news also elaborated on Bush''s "musical chairs" foreign aid to Africa, which has been considerably "watered down", from what he''s actually telling the American people..

[kailumego1]

nameverify, now you show your true "colors", you racist prick..

Western European nations and the United States has for years/centuries taken total advantage of African''s fractionalized societies.

Besides China, which is the most ethnically diverse country, Africa is quintessentially the most ethnically diverse continent on the planet..

[kailumego1]

And it is because or due to this fractionalization between divergent societies/cultures that Western Europeans and America has surreptitiously instigated tribal conflict on a continuum for their own self-aggrandizement.

You mentioned China, but negated to elaborate on Great Britain''s dubious plan for hegemony over "silver", which lead to smuggling Opium into China, in order to weaken the Chinese people, so the English could invade China and exploit their economy, which eventually lead to England controlling Hong Kong..

You also failed to mention France''s hegemonic control over Vietnam, which was the prelude to the Vietnam War, because the North Vietnamese sought help from Russia and China, in order to get the French out of Vietnam, who in turn, sought help from the good old U.S.A...

But the real clincher, both China and Vietnam wasn''t or isn''t nearly as fractionalized as Africa, in which the Chinese share something most Africans don''t, a defined language, cultural traditions, religion e.g. Confucianism, Taoism, Buddhism, etc., while most Africans speak more than 2000 different languages, encompass multiple divergent cultures, and variant religious beliefs, e.g. Islam, Christianity, Shamanism, animism, etc., which often are at conflict with the other.

[kailumego1]

Africa is an enormous geographic land mass, which for a long length of time, before European invasion, was a massive land region inundated with savanna grass land, virgin forests, and dry arid deserts, where inland, West and Central parts of Africa had been filled with small tribal or clan societies isolated from, what you term as civilization.

I think you forget just how huge a land mass Africa actually is, and when Europeans decided to colonialized Africa, they had to use, or forced, the Africa people to hack through dense forests, in order to travel, or explore..

They also, through colonialism, force tribal factions to merge or commune together, which disrupted families, communities, and societies, forging hostilities and creating utter chaos, which eventually lead to gratuitous violence between conflicting groups..

You know absolutely nothing about African societies, or Asian, etc.for that matter, you''re simply rambling your unorthodox negative and skewed reasoning, trying to explain very complex and complicated societies, which you''re totally too inept to comprehend.

Go take some classes in sociology and anthropology, then come back and discourse, because as it stands you are nothing more than a babbling fool trying to booster your own ego through pandering your racist defecation..

[toolmangler-2009]

"Africa spends over $14.5 billion dollars yearly repaying debts. It receives only $12.7 billion in aid."
Posted by whatithink at 07:14 PM : Dec 02, 2007



Hi whatithink, may I have your sources for this and Americas involvement in the fighting/

[whatithink-2009]

nameverify,

I take your name calling as a sign that I''m correct and you don''t have any statistics to backup your nonsense. People resort to name calling when they run out of arguments.

What do you think the UN is? Really. There is no UN without foreign governments. Hilarious!

[whatithink-2009]

"Africa spends $40 million each day repaying old debts to rich countries."

"Africa spends over $14.5 billion dollars yearly repaying debts. It receives only $12.7 billion in aid."

[whatithink-2009]

Also, making a pledge to cancel debt and canceling debt are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

[whatithink-2009]

nameverify,

I said WESTERN NATIONS and I said EXCLUDING DEBT.

Show figures or SHUT UP!

[whatithink-2009]

"Many dead in U.S. strike in Somalia" Jan 2007

[whatithink-2009]

"U.S. Secretly Backing Warlords in Somalia" 2006

"US attack in Somalia killed innocents" early 2007

" US Somali air strikes ''kill many''" early 2007

"US airstrikes "may further destabilise Somalia" early 2007

[whatithink-2009]

downtowner97,

Not only does Africa have oil (you are wrong), but you wouldn''t be typing on your computer there without certain minerals obtained from Africa. In fact, it is because of the wealth of resources that Africa has had its problems.

It would be fine for you to say it is not my problem, if our country was not making it our problem. The U.S. is involved in Africa and just because things are done covertly, does not make it not exist. What is happening today in Somalia is directly linked to what happened around this time last Christmas...and the hands of the U.S. is deep in it.

[TrakerJon]

That''s nothing to the thousands of civilians killed in Iraq and Afghanistan by US unrestricted bombing.

[whatithink-2009]

nameverify,

That is simply not the case about the more aid than any other place in the world. Israel has received more aid (excluding loans) than the whole continent of Africa, for example. If you don''t believe me, check the statistics.

[downtowner97]

An aquaintance of mine was in Operation Restore Hope in Mogadishu. He said that the bags of food aid we sent to Somalia are used as currency. The aid organizations drop off the sacks of food, armed gunmen with HIV pick up the sacks of food and take them to a fort. Women have to have unprotected intercourse with the gunmen in order to secure food for their family and friends. This leads to babies to continue the cycle. The food only reaches the people who need it when women are willing to die for it, so the flow is irregular leading to hunger and fighting.

Another aquaintance was in Africa for a year installing water wells. He and his group would pull into a town where people were washing their babies in cow urine and drinking polluted water. The men would install the well, and watch the people rejoice in the fresh, clean water. As they left, teenage boys would run out with machine guns and destroy the well equipment.

I don''t condone genocide, but when a society has broken to that point, it should be allowed to fail.

[downtowner97]

I hear a lot of people say that being against war is a liberal point of view. I am not a liberal, but don''t believe we should go ANYWHERE outside our borders to try to fix things. Liberals want to feed America''s poor and provide them with health care, and they want to take working peoples'' money to do it. Conservatives want to take our money and use it to kill people in other countries when it is deemed strategically important (Sorry Africa, you have no oil.)

I saw a commercial about starving people fighting for their lives in Africa when I was 5, and begged my dad to help out. He told me to wait until I was an adult, then tell him what I think of Africa. I am grown up now, and I look at Africa and feel like it''s not my problem.

[whatithink-2009]

nameverify,

Your divide and conquer routine is not working on me. You are like the parent who has two children, treats them both different, and complains because one is not working out in the same way as the other.

If you open your eyes, you''d see there were completely different policies between these two regions (besides Southeast Asia).

Learn the difference between direct investment and debt.

[whatithink-2009]

"Africa spends $40 million each day repaying old debts to rich countries."

"Africa spends over $14.5 billion dollars yearly repaying debts. It receives only $12.7 billion in aid."

[whatithink-2009]

Keithle1,

Have you asked yourself how much money Africa has given to the West in return? I think not. The thought it too frightening for you.