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GOP Hopefuls Spar Over Immigration

(CBS/AP)  Republican presidential rivals Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney scornfully debated immigration Wednesday in a provocative, no-holds-barred CNN/YouTube debate just over a month before the first votes are cast.

Giuliani, the front-runner in national polls, accused Romney of employing illegal immigrants at his home and running a "sanctuary mansion." The testy personal exchange came after Romney said Giuliani had retained New York's status as a sanctuary city while he was mayor.

Romney said it would "not be American" to check the papers of workers employed by a contractor simply because they have a "funny accent." He had landscapers at his Belmont, Mass., home who turned out to be in the country illegally.

Giuliani shot back, calling Romney's attitude "holier than thou."

"Mitt usually criticizes people when he usually has the far worse record," Giuliani said.

The audience, however, booed Giuliani as he tried to persist in his criticism of Romney.

"Romney is in many ways fighting a campaign on two fronts," said CBSNews.com Senior Political Editor Vaughn Ververs. "As the perceived front-runner in the first two primary states, he's getting squeezed in both and you saw that reflected in his exchanges tonight with Giuliani and Mike Huckabee." (Read more analysis from Ververs in Horserace.)

The confrontation came at the start of an innovative CNN-YouTube debate that forced the candidates to confront immigration immediately, signaling the volatility of the issue among Republican voters. The eight Republican candidates encountered a range of questions, including abortion, gun control from a gun wielding NRA member, and farm subsidies from a man eating an ear of corn.

They were even asked if they believed every word in the Bible by a man holding the holy book, and a question on the powers of the vice president from a gun-toting cartoon-version of Dick Cheney.

No one was exempt in the free-for-all as the candidates squabbled over interrogation techniques, the Iraq war, crime and who wields the most conservative record. The candidates tried to position themselves to the right of each other, knowing full well that conservatives hold sway in selecting the GOP nominee.

At the outset, immigration dominated the questions submitted online and swept in the remainder of the Republican field.

Fred Thompson took the opportunity to distinguish himself from both Romney and Giuliani, arguing that Romney had supported President Bush's plan to provide a path to citizenship for some immigrants in the United States illegally now. He took Giuliani to task for attacking Romney's employment of illegal immigrants.

"I think we've all had people who we've hired who in retrospect was a bad decision," he said, alluding to Bernard Kerik, Giuliani's disgraced former police commissioner who is under federal indictment on multiple charges.

Sen. John McCain, for whom the immigration issue has proved particularly vexing, defended his support for an unsuccessful overhaul of immigration laws that included a temporary worker program and a path to citizenship.

"We must recognize these are God's children as well," McCain said. "They need our love and compassion, and I want to ensure that I will enforce the borders first. But we won't demagogue it."

Huckabee, who has also come under GOP criticism for some of his immigration policies while governor of Arkansas, defended benefits he supported for children of illegal immigrants, including allowing children to be eligible to apply for college scholarships.

"Are we going to say kids who are here illegally are going to get a special deal?" Romney asked.

Huckabee objected, saying the benefit was based on merit. "We are a better country than to punish children for what their parents did," he said.


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by klingon69 December 1, 2007 11:55 AM EST
Barbara Streisand AND the Dixie Chicks were right about BUSH before it was fashionable. Not only that, but MIKE STILL doesnt see it. I have won this argument :) Its been nice thrashing you MIKE :)
Posted by californiar at 10:33 AM : Nov 29, 2007
Oh boy. A washed up no-talent, big nose singer, who hasn''t had a hit since before fire was discovered; and a group of annoying, nasal whiners trying to pass themselves off as country versions of Brittney Spears(probably would''ve been turning tricks at truckstops if hadn''t gotten lucky enough to be discovered). Is this the support of the Libs? Well, they could move away to France or whereever, no great loss.
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by klingon69 December 1, 2007 11:37 AM EST
Hating is always easier than thinking.
Posted by rudy654 at 12:48 AM : Nov 29, 2007
But, illegal aliens are a major hotbed issue for most Americans.
How will our borders and ports be made safer and more secure?
What do we do about the estimated 12-20 million presently living in America?
What can we do that will be viewed by all concerned that would seem fair?
These are issues that are of a major concern for many if not most of the tax-paying citizenry of this country. So, if you want to try to spin it as hate, like you do anything that may even be slightly against the illegals, that''s your choice, but it is an issue and sore point for many.
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by frankinaz November 30, 2007 6:50 PM EST
"The overwhelming majority of these undocumented workers are guilty of one crime only, wanting to have a job which provides a living wage so they can feed their families." Wait-Not so fast: Although wanting to feed one''s family is not a crime, entering this country illegally is, hence the term "illegal immigrant." Lying on job applications, W-9 and other forms of paperwork is perjury. Next, many illegal immigrants resort to forgery, to fraudulently obtain other forms of I. D. and many services. These are laws that legal U. S. citizens can''t break most of the time, without serious consequences. So please, there is no such a person as a "Law Abiding
Illegal Immigrant." Many Americans are tired of seeing these people and the businesses that hire them
be rewarded, and not punished, for breaking the law.
Its also time that these foreign governments who receive U. S. aid also be held responsible for their own people, and not encourage their populations to emigrate here illegally, to further burden this country''s legal taxpayer ctitzens.
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by kbcjedi November 30, 2007 12:06 PM EST
Ron Paul who else. He was the last person to be asked a question in the debate. He was not asked a question about taxes, although that is his strongest position with American voters. There will be no more IRS under a Paul Administration. The income tax was never ratified, The Income tax is a custom originating from the Victory tax after WWII for the Marshall plan. Once the Federal Reserve is removed we can begin to rebuild
this country that has been devastated by the use of "fiat currency", the Constitution requires the use of metal, we have no Constitution because we are not using the Gold as the basis of our monetary system.
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by nottellin1 November 29, 2007 9:19 PM EST
It is difficult to watch any of the candidates from either side. Does either party have a platform, do they have a candidate that has a IQ above a shoe size. They side step every issue, with a two step that would make every Texan proud. Why can''''t one of them simply say, " Hey, I don''''t have all the answers, but elect me and I''''ll do the best job I can". Beats all the BS they spout. Just one word of truth would be refreshing.


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Posted by Edward1975 at 01:00 AM : Nov 29, 2007

You most definately speak the truth. The scariest part of this scenario is that one of these losers, either Dem & Rep will be elected President. The current crop of candidates for both parties will only bring us more of the same. Even RP would have to work with a hostile legislative.
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by bill1fj November 29, 2007 8:25 PM EST
NO Amnesty
Deport Illegals
Fine and/or Jail anyone that hires illegals.
No benefits, licenses, or sanctuary for illegals.
Vote out of office any politician that will not work to secure our borders. NO talk, just action.
NO Amnesty
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by gunownerdan November 29, 2007 8:16 PM EST
There''s a reason why Dr. Ron Paul has nearly 78% in the CBS news poll.
You won''t hear this from the "mainstream" media, but peace and liberty are very popular!!!
ronpaul2008.com
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by bill1fj November 29, 2007 7:55 PM EST
This ILLEGAL Immigrant should be pretty simple to solve. I read that over 70% of the LEGAL U.S. Citizens want the illegals gone. The government, both parties, should have been enforcing the laws all along.
Deport any illegal found.
Fine and/or jail anyone that hires an illegal.
Do NOT let any illegal have a lisence of any type.
Do NOT allow any illegal to have benefits from any level of government.
Require all levels of government to help enforce the laws.
NO Amnesty
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by tylenol6 November 29, 2007 7:46 PM EST
Has anyone every, I mean ever figured out why they won''t close the borders??????? Dosen''t make sense dose it?? I mean considering Bush is sooooooooooooooooo worried about terrorism. Ahem......... Everyone should look up the North American Union, where Bush wants to combine Mexico, Canada and the U.S. Just like RON PAUL said. Yes, people it is true. It is happening all under everyone''s noses. Don''t believe me? Look it up.You can even read about the stories about people where the government is using eminent domain to take
their property for this highway.I have a friend who lives in Austin, Texas and a superhighway is being built through the midwest all
the way up to Canada and it is being built as we speak. Google Guiliani and Cintra. Cintra is the company name. Cintra is owned by the king of Spain and
Guiliani, yes Guiliani, will make LOTS of money off of
this project. And, it will be a toll road to boot. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!
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by tylenol6 November 29, 2007 7:35 PM EST
McCain needs to go home to Phoenix, Arizona.I hear the
people in Arizona hate him and are trying to recall him.
Oop''s the news media isn''t reporting any of this. Is any
one surprised?????? NOT!!!!!!!!!
Anyway, I think he was baaaaaadddddddd in the debate.
Go home McLame, your all washed up....................
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