Palestinians Rally Against "Doomed" Summit

Thousands Join Hamas To Decry Annapolis Conference; At Least 1 Killed By Police

(CBS/AP)  Tens of thousands of people in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip rallied Tuesday against the Mideast peace conference under way in the U.S., while the group's top leader in Gaza insisted the summit is "doomed to failure."

The comments by Ismail Haniyeh, leader of the Hamas government in Gaza, came as protesters began filling a huge square in Gaza City, chanting "Death to America" and "Death to Israel," and calling Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas a "collaborator" for attending the gathering in Annapolis, Md.

Hamas sympathizers in the West Bank demonstrating against the peace talks were confronted and attacked by Palestinian security forces loyal to President Abbas, reports CBS News correspondent Elizabeth Palmer.

But the very forces charged with keeping law and order are breaking the law every day.

Amnesty International has documented over 1,000 cases of illegal arrest and torture by Fatah forces, adds .

Today, forces loyal to Abbas killed one protester, medical officials said. Several people were seriously injured.

The Liberation Party, a tiny Islamic group, said Hisham Baradiyeh, a 36-year-old member of the group, was shot in the chest. The group calls for the establishment of a pan-Muslim state through peaceful means.

Palestinian government officials did not immediately return messages seeking comment.

In other violence, Israeli troops fatally shot two Hamas militants in separate incidents early Tuesday in the Gaza Strip, the army and Islamic group said. On Monday, four Palestinians were killed by Israeli troops in Gaza.

"Annapolis is a disaster for us," said Amina Hasanat, a 37-year-old mother of eight who demonstrated in Gaza City. Dressed in a black robe and a headband bearing the Hamas colors of black and green, she predicted the conference would end in failure. "This will be an advantage for the resistance," she said.

Gaza's Hamas rulers have been staging daily demonstrations against the U.S.-hosted conference, restating their commitment to Israel's destruction and promising to reject any decisions that come out of Annapolis. The criticism has grown increasingly vitriolic, with one Hamas leader on Monday calling Abbas a "traitor."

Polls show that a majority of both Palestinians and Israelis favor a negotiated settlement to the conflict. However, a majority on each side is also skeptical that the current peace push will bear fruit.

Hamas violently seized control of Gaza in June after routing forces loyal to Abbas, and his lack of control of Gaza has raised questions about his ability to carry out a future peace deal. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has said he will not implement a peace agreement without a halt to militant attacks emanating from Gaza.

Speaking to reporters Monday, Olmert noted that the U.S.-backed "road map" peace plan calls on the Palestinians to disarm militants. "We will not be able to accept the fact that they (the Palestinians) will be relieved of the obligation to prevent terrorism from the Gaza Strip," he said.

In his speech, Haniyeh, said his group would not disarm.

(MARCO LONGARI/AFP/Getty Images)

"We will stand firmly in the face of policies that attack the will of our people, our factions and our weapons of resistance," said Haniyeh, seen at left. "We reaffirm the legitimacy of resistance and support it as a natural right."

Haniyeh also expressed dismay over the participation of 16 Arab nations - including Saudi Arabia and Syria, a key Hamas patron, at the U.S. summit.

He said the Arab masses "will reject ... any concessions to the Zionist enemy."

"We are sure that the Annapolis conference will not change the reality of history and geography," he added. "Any conference that goes beyond this reality is doomed to failure."

After Haniyeh's speech, the Gaza protest gained strength, beginning with several thousand pro-Hamas university students and quickly growing into tens of thousands of people. Smaller militant groups, including Islamic Jihad, also took part.

"Today you are here to send a message to those who say the land of Palestine is not for sale," said Mahmoud Zahar, a fiery Hamas leader. "Whoever thinks we will recognize a Jewish state ... are deluding themselves. There will be no recognition of the state of Israel."

Quote

We will stand firmly in the face of policies that attack the will of our people, our factions and our weapons of resistance.

Ismail Haniyeh, Hamas leader in Gaza

Despite the harsh language, the gathering was more subdued than past Hamas rallies. Many demonstrators milled about and appeared uninterested during the speeches.

Children played or enjoyed ice cream, and women chatted with each other. Unlike other Hamas rallies, there were no public displays of weapons, although protest organizers tried to energize the crowd by playing recordings of gunfire.

In related developments:

In Ramallah, in the West Bank, around 1,000 people tried to march against the conference from a large mosque in the town's center, but were immediately surrounded by police, who began rapidly firing live ammunition over their heads to disperse the crowd. Many ran back into the mosque and were surrounded. Associated Press reporters saw police beating protesters with sticks in an attempt to disperse the protests. An ambulance rushed to the scene, siren wailing, but there were no immediate reports of injuries.

In Hebron, police and hundreds of protesters threw stones at each other, even as security men fired into the air. Around 50 protesters were arrested, and eight were slightly injured, officials said. There were similar scenes of chaos in the northern West Bank towns of Nablus and Jenin. Police tried to prevent reporters from covering the protests, and seized the camera of one AP photographer.

In Jerusalem, more than 20,000 Israelis gathered Monday at the Western Wall, the holiest site where Jews can pray, to protest the Annapolis conference. Many marched to a square near Olmert's residence for a noisy demonstration. Hard-line Israeli opposition leader Benjamin Netanyahu denounced the conference on Monday. "The Palestinians are not lifting a finger to stop terror or recognize Israel as a Jewish state," he told Channel 2 TV. "I see this summit as a continuation of one-sided concessions."

Hamas officials in Lebanon urged the U.S. to pressure Israel to commit to the rights of the Palestinian people at the Mideast peace summit but stressed that this was not likely. Osama Hamdan, Lebanon representative of the militant group and a close aide to Hamas' Damascus-based exiled leader Khaled Mashaal, said he did not expect the meeting to yield any American commitment to Palestinian rights. "There won't be by the end of the day any commitment to any of the basic rights of the Palestinians, be it in Jerusalem, the right of return (of refugees), land or even establishment of a sovereign, independent state with set area and border," he said in Beirut.

© MMVII, CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Share:

Digg

Facebook

Yahoo! Buzz

Twitter

Mixx

Video and Galleries from World

• Video Baby Skates Sensation
• Video The Recession's Six Degrees
• Video G8 Summit On Environment

Latest in World

Thousands Join Renewed Protests In Tehran

Honduran Leaders in Mediation over Crisis

86 Deaths Blamed on Toxic Indian Moonshine

Add a Comment

• 1
• 2
• next

See all 96 Comments

by krenz4 November 27, 2007 12:08 PM PST

Failure of the peace talks will be a victory for the resistance? How sick are these people. They would rather have endless war, no matter what the chances for peace are. I no longer care what "palestinians'' want. They have proven that no matter what opportunities are presented to themn, they will choose bloodshed and war and chaos. They are not worthy to be an independant state.

Reply to this comment

by prinzowhales November 27, 2007 1:00 PM PST

The Israeli regime cannot afford peace--if Olmert makes any honest effort--which I doubt--he will be politically dead...

If the Israelis and Americans are true to form, you can expect a huge false flag attack orchestrated by the intel agencies to inflame the world against the Palestinians and cover the failure of the conference.

Reply to this comment

by one_american November 27, 2007 1:04 PM PST

The split of Hamas and Fatah has successfully separated the terrorists from the real Palestinians.

If Hamas continues to reject peace, and really wants nothing but war, they will get it - not only from Israel, but from Fatah and other Arab neighbors as well.

And the Gaza Strip is the perfect shape for carpet bombing runs, too.

Think about it, Hamas.

Reply to this comment

by krenz4 November 27, 2007 1:05 PM PST

No one has to ''inflame'' the world against the Palestinians! ITs obvious that they want killing and death to go on and on, and on. No matter what is on the table, even if its what they asked for, they still want to die. How can they say that the talks are a failure before they even began?? They already know what they are about. ALl they want is to kill and die. Does that make them better than Israel. At least Israel has set up some kind of Government to take care of its own instead of tearing up everything around themselves and playing the everlasting victim. There once was a time when i was interested in what Palestine wanted and I cared that they did not have it, but they have shown time and time again that they want nothing but chaos and death. So be it!

Reply to this comment

by krenz4 November 27, 2007 1:07 PM PST

furthermore, can you blame Israel (or anyone for that matter) for not wanting them as neighbors? I mean come on, they have no cluem they have no order they have no plan except of course to continue being a "victim" of Israel.

Reply to this comment

by one_american November 27, 2007 1:12 PM PST

I''m really starting to believe that terrorists like Hamas suffer from a genetic defect that prevents them from being rational.

Kind of like liberalism.

Reply to this comment

by krenz4 November 27, 2007 1:31 PM PST

I firmly believe that Israel and AMerica have not been angels in all of this, that we too have done our share of dirty dealing, but Palestine has no agenda outside of violence and no plan whatsoever. I have grown too tired of hearing them and their endless cries of revenge. Can you imagine what would happen if they wre given whatever it is they have demanded all these years? They would turn and become victims of each other (hamas,fatah,etc.....) They seem to need to kill someone, or have some enemy that hates them,even if it means they kill one another! Any people that has been at war this long, with no clear reason why, deserves to be left behind. Who can reason with the unreasonable?

Reply to this comment

by rohink-2009 November 27, 2007 2:11 PM PST

Palestinians don''t want peace and never have.

Reply to this comment

by j-whitman November 27, 2007 2:50 PM PST

One_American,,,,, Dude,,, genetic defects that prevents them from being rational is often the product of Incest... It has always been predominent in the south land --- People marry their own blood relitives --- Like Giulini did

Reply to this comment

by ajmarine1 November 27, 2007 3:13 PM PST

Failure of the peace talks will be a victory for the resistance? How sick are these people. They would rather have endless war, no matter what the chances for peace are. I no longer care what "palestinians'''' want. They have proven that no matter what opportunities are presented to themn, they will choose bloodshed and war and chaos. They are not worthy to be an independant state.

Posted by krenz4 at 12:08 PM : Nov 27, 2007


My thoughts exactly.

Reply to this comment

by jowand November 27, 2007 3:39 PM PST

It has always been predominent in the south land --- People marry their own blood relitives --- Like Giulini did

Posted by j-whitman at 02:50 PM : Nov 27, 2007

FDR married his cousin, you''re nuttier than seven-pesos ever was.

Reply to this comment

by ajmarine1 November 27, 2007 3:50 PM PST

Annapolis Conference is doomed to failure: Leader
Tehran Times Political Desk


TEHRAN - Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei said here on Monday that the Annapolis Conference is doomed to failure.

%u201CThe autumn conference, as all say and as is clear from its name, will fade like autumn and fail. However, the Americans are trying to lead it somewhere in order to compensate for some of the failures of the illegitimate usurper Zionist regime.

%u201COf course, the Palestinian nation%u2019s vigilance, which has been intertwined with the vigilance of the Islamic ummah, and especially the great Iranian nation, will prevent the U.S. administration from realizing its evil intensions at the conference.%u201D


http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=157912


Iran''s not going to be any help.

Reply to this comment

by libsluvsuvs November 27, 2007 3:57 PM PST

it is pretty predictable that the people or entities who wants this summit to fail are the people who benefits from all this carnage in any part of the globe.

Any form of true democracy in any part of the globe would rob them of power.

Reply to this comment

by cbs_oliver November 27, 2007 3:58 PM PST

"Hamas violently seized control of Gaza in June after routing forces loyal to Abbas, and his lack of control of Gaza has raised questions about his ability to carry out a future peace deal. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has said he will not implement a peace agreement without a halt to militant attacks emanating from Gaza."

It is not nice to craft sentences which cause people to reach the wrong conclusions. The Republicans would have had to violently seize control of the White House in 2000 if teh Democrats had refused to give up control despite the election and the court decision.

Hamas was the elected government. They were legally entitled to take control. The Fatah with the encouragement of the US and Israel refused to give up control as they were supposed to and so there were some fights.

The real important problem here is that AP and CBS and many other media outlets report the news in a deliberatley deceitful way so as to obscure the fact that Hamas acted within their rights - but Fatah did not - and the US for all intents and purposes conspired to overthrow a legally elected government (once again).

If the news media cannot be trusted to tell even the simplest of truths how can they be trusted to report about more complicated matters?

Reply to this comment

by j-whitman November 27, 2007 3:58 PM PST

jowand,,,, Come on now, FDR married a woman with the same name, many generations removed. ------ Giulini married his second cousin & he''s certianly no FDR

Reply to this comment

by j-whitman November 27, 2007 4:05 PM PST

AJMarine1,
,,, When you give it a bit of thouhgt, he could be right -- It is doomed to failure ----- Yesterday we had just a photo op with people with no power ----- Bush is on his way out & did nothing for 7 years to achieve a 2 state solution execpt allow Isreal to attack their neighbors,,, Olmert is on his way out, his people blame him for damaging thier military & loosing a war & he''s under corruption investiagations,,, Abbas is only the President of the PLO & doesn''t have any real power with the PLO, Hamas is running Palestine ---- The main power brokers were missing...
.... The next several meetings involve the same people.

Reply to this comment

by libsluvsuvs November 27, 2007 4:23 PM PST

Posted by CBS_Oliver at 03:58 PM : Nov 27, 2007
+ report abuse

********

Hamas is pretty much like the KKK or the black panther party..WOULD YOU allow an entity like the HAMAS or the KKK to run a country??????????????

Reply to this comment

by libsluvsuvs November 27, 2007 4:26 PM PST

The main power brokers were missing...
.... The next several meetings involve the same people.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Posted by j-whitman at 04:05 PM : Nov 27, 2007
+ report abuse

*****

and who are your ''two main power brokers"?

Reply to this comment

by j-whitman November 27, 2007 4:28 PM PST

AJ,,, Isreal won''t accept Palestinian Right of Return, or borders,,, And Isreaites occupying Palestinian territory won''t give up thier land.
--
All sides have agreed that two states should be established, but the Palestinians have objected to referring to Israel as a %u201CJewish state.%u201D The Palestinians and their Arab backers are concerned that a specific reference to a Jewish state would prejudice the right of Palestinians who claim a right to return to land they once owned inside Israel.

American and Israeli officials are resisting Palestinian efforts to include language about %u201Cending the occupation that started in 1967,%u201D a reference to disputed Jewish settlements in the West Bank. The West Bank would form the bulk of an eventual Palestinian state and the two sides must decide which settlements would remain a part of Israel.

The Palestinians want the document to set a one-year timetable for reaching a resolution. The Israelis do not want this, and the Americans are open the idea.

Reply to this comment

by j-whitman November 27, 2007 4:50 PM PST

libsluvsuvs,,, Yep, it probably is... But with AJ it''s more the lack of honor in not participating in arguments

Reply to this comment

by j-whitman November 27, 2007 5:08 PM PST

AJMarine1,,, Good I got a response from you, I thought you no longer had the balls to counter my arguments

Reply to this comment

by j-whitman November 27, 2007 5:14 PM PST

AJMarine1,,,, I''m glad you hung onto my post, but instead of arguing against it, which you can''t- You just cut & ran from arguing. Marines I know fight back

Reply to this comment

by ajmarine1 November 27, 2007 5:15 PM PST

Posted by j-whitman at 05:08 PM : Nov 27, 2007

Balls got nothing to do with it J.

Reply to this comment

by j-whitman November 27, 2007 5:21 PM PST

If balls have anything to do with it or not,,, We now have 2 soldiers captured in Iraq. You want them tortured ??

Reply to this comment

by j-whitman November 27, 2007 5:26 PM PST

AJ,,,, We also have a few private security contractors in police custody in Iraq, I don''t want them abused in custody... But this article isn''t about torture of abuse.

It''s a Summit with little power or authority & no peace can be achieved without getting all the others involved including Saudi''s, Syrian''s, Iranian''s, Hezbollah & Hamas on board.

Reply to this comment

by j-whitman November 27, 2007 5:29 PM PST

AJ,,,, It''s a Summit 7 years too late, & just mouthing the words of a 2 State Solution with 7 years of abstinance isn''t going to cut it.

Reply to this comment

by ajmarine1 November 27, 2007 5:35 PM PST

If balls have anything to do with it or not,,, We now have 2 soldiers captured in Iraq. You want them tortured ??

Posted by j-whitman at 05:21 PM : Nov 27, 2007


You just don''t get it do you J. I''m not talking about torture, just like I wasn''t talking about torture when you sent that other post, you just start going off about Neocons, Bush, and anything anti-Republican when ever you get on a roll. I keep telling you that I am an Independent and I''ve heard you talking points, but you just keep wanting to beat me over the head with them, not to mention that I have dishonored veterans, you''ve lost respect for me, and now I have no balls.

Why would I want to talk to you?

Reply to this comment

by j-whitman November 27, 2007 5:39 PM PST

AJ,,, You are an independent ? Yet you seem to echo neo-cons & the GOP... If I got you right.

Reply to this comment

by fitedafuture November 27, 2007 5:53 PM PST

pfft marines,robots with big egos..

Reply to this comment

by libsluvsuvs November 27, 2007 6:05 PM PST

It''''s a Summit with little power or authority & no peace can be achieved without getting all the others involved including Saudi''''s, Syrian''''s, Iranian''''s, Hezbollah & Hamas on board.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Posted by j-whitman at 05:26 PM : Nov 27, 2007
+ report abuse


*****

he means the ones (including the liberal masses who had been bashing this country) that is formulating, conducting and terrorizing the region or who''s very existance is in danger is peace, democracy and prosperity would sprout in middle east..

Reply to this comment

by libsluvsuvs November 27, 2007 6:07 PM PST

AJ,,, You are an independent ? Yet you seem to echo neo-cons & the GOP... If I got you right.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Posted by j-whitman at 05:39 PM : Nov 27, 2007
+ report abuse


******

since you are a very presumptious person..should we presume that you are a radical islamic militant..you echo al queda and most radical islamic clerics..

Reply to this comment

by ajmarine1 November 27, 2007 6:09 PM PST

Posted by fitedafuture at 05:53 PM : Nov 27, 2007

That''s right, GREAT BIG egos.

Reply to this comment

by j-whitman November 27, 2007 6:10 PM PST

libsluvsuvs,,,, Get back in your SUV -- What is it with you calling Americans radical islamic militants ?? ---- Oh, that''s a GOP thing, the party who fell into Ossama Bin Laden''s trap

Reply to this comment

by libsluvsuvs November 27, 2007 6:11 PM PST

Marines I know fight back


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Posted by j-whitman at 05:14 PM : Nov 27, 2007
+ report abuse


*******

is that the same marines that you often refer as killers, incompetent and ''just goes around torturing innocent people for fun''?

you tend to flip and flop on your arguments to fit your present fancy.

Reply to this comment

by libsluvsuvs November 27, 2007 6:13 PM PST

Posted by j-whitman at 06:10 PM : Nov 27, 2007
+ report abuse


******
well you pretty much push radical islamic cause better than any jihadist..as they saying goes or your presumptions goes.."you echo" a very radical islamic cleric..

(nice to see that you are evolving with your style..playing mind games??)

Reply to this comment

by libsluvsuvs November 27, 2007 6:21 PM PST

Oh, that''''s a GOP thing, the party who fell into Ossama Bin Laden''''s trap


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Posted by j-whitman at 06:10 PM : Nov 27, 2007
+ report abuse


**********

you mean the trap that the Liberal DNC had assisted in placing?? yeah and the liberal media like al franken will make sure to lure more idiots into thinking that they fell in that trap and funny enough these idiots pay them for that.

Reply to this comment

by j-whitman November 27, 2007 6:24 PM PST

libsluvsuvs,,,, Nope, the trap of changing our nation into one that reacts without thought or verifiable intell out of fear from a few.

Reply to this comment

by libsluvsuvs November 27, 2007 6:29 PM PST

Nope, the trap of changing our nation into one that reacts without thought or verifiable intell out of fear from a few.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Posted by j-whitman at 06:24 PM : Nov 27, 2007
+ report abuse


***** you are so predictable..you are going to lure this into iraq again..well how much intel do you need to tell you that there are people out there that are more than willing to kill A LOT MORE if they can instead of a FEW???

If our effort to rid the world of radical islamic terrrorism..then why are there more and more countries that are agreeing with us and actually willing to work to rid THIER OWN COUNTRY of this filth?????????

the only ones that agrees with you at this point are the ones who are committing these atrocities. you are trying to validate the HAMAS and HAZEBOLLAH as recognized entity?????????? now wonder you are always sympatehtic to true criminals

Reply to this comment

by libsluvsuvs November 27, 2007 6:32 PM PST

Posted by j-whitman at 06:24 PM : Nov 27, 2007
+ report abuse


**************

btw...where is your elected DNC with the impeachment??how about the troop withdrawal??

Reply to this comment

by j-whitman November 27, 2007 6:34 PM PST

libsluvsuvs,,
,, Think about it... 4 years following Bush''s invasion in a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, Defense Secretary Gates says take the soft approach on terrorism... Commander of CENTCOM says cool the rhetoric on Iran they are not a threat.
,,,,, Dude, Bush still hasn''t got Afaganistan right.

Reply to this comment

by ajmarine1 November 27, 2007 6:34 PM PST

In Gaza on Tuesday thousands of people joined a rally protesting against the talks, many of them chanting "Abbas is a traitor" and "We will not recognise Israel".

And in the West Bank, controlled by Mr Abbas''s Fatah faction, Palestinian security forces broke up several protests against the Annapolis gathering. One man was killed in Hebron, Palestinian medical officials said.

In Jerusalem, Israelis gathered at the Western Wall on Monday to protest against the conference. Israeli opposition leader Benjamin Netanyahu labelling the meeting "a continuation of one-sided concessions".


There will be no peace out of this.......saddly, the killing will go on and on.

Reply to this comment

by libsluvsuvs November 27, 2007 6:35 PM PST

here is an advice for you jwhitman..dont get your ''intel'' from a b-rated comedian or a washed up fat con man..tabloid magazines..if you insist to do that..the very first thing you need to understand that thier prosperity depends on how much money you are willing to pay..

Reply to this comment

by j-whitman November 27, 2007 6:35 PM PST

libsluvsuvs,,, Why don''t you pay attention to something other than FOX, you''d know where the DNC stands.

Reply to this comment

by libsluvsuvs November 27, 2007 6:37 PM PST

There will be no peace out of this.......saddly, the killing will go on and on.




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Posted by AJMarine1 at 06:34 PM : Nov 27, 2007
+ report abuse


*****

yes the killing will go on..but at this point finally we are drawing a line where we can start and effort to reduce that killing instead of let that floodgates wide open because we cannot stop the tide.
The need to reduce radical islam''s venom in the region needs to start now...

Reply to this comment

by libsluvsuvs November 27, 2007 6:42 PM PST

libsluvsuvs,,, Why don''''t you pay attention to something other than FOX, you''''d know where the DNC stands.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Posted by j-whitman at 06:35 PM : Nov 27, 2007
+ report abuse

***********

I dont watch fox news nor do I care about orielly or limbaugh or whomever..I dont need anybody to tell me what is obvious..THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND I...I prefer to think you prefer to pay for your ideas....

Reply to this comment

by ajmarine1 November 27, 2007 6:56 PM PST

Speaking at an %u201Canti-Annapolis%u201D conference in Gaza, leaders of the Islamist group which seized the enclave from Abbas%u2019 forces in June said the president did not represent the Palestinian people and vowed never to recognize Israel.

%u201CLet the whole world hear us %u2014 we will not cede an inch of Palestine and we will never recognize Israel,%u201D Hamas%u2019 Gaza leader Ismail Haniyeh told the meeting of about 1,000 people, including representatives from some other Palestinian factions


http://arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=104028&d=27&m=11&y=2007

Hamas, Hezaballa, and Iran do not want peace, nothing but the destruction of Israel will satisfiy them.

If I were them, I might feel the same way.

Having said that, it''s still time to make peace or war; what they have now is beyond a nightmare.

Reply to this comment

by j-whitman November 27, 2007 7:03 PM PST

AJMarine1,,, Yep, it''s going to be a problem --- Bush should have been fully engaged in the peace process instead of ignoring it for 7 years & getting all the neighbors on board when he 1st mouthed the words of a 2 State Solution.

Reply to this comment

by j-whitman November 27, 2007 7:07 PM PST

AJMarine1,,, Get rid of the concept of they want to destroy Isreal,, it would have been done by now. It''s always been political rhetorc to fuel the masses.
--- But you are wrong, If you paid more attention they have all been pushing for stabilization, they are very much against more wars, but they won''t back off either.

Reply to this comment

by ajmarine1 November 27, 2007 7:12 PM PST

Israelis rated the Annapolis peace summit as the lowest item on their list of concerns, according to a poll published this week. In descending order, they ranked education, personal safety, economy and the socio-econ-omic situation before Annapolis.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article2957498.ece


Sounds like Israeli''s aren''t to excited about this peace summit either.

Reply to this comment

by dmhphils November 27, 2007 7:18 PM PST

The liberal mentality is supposed to favor human rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity etc., but if the Jihad wins, wherever the Jihad wins, it is the end of civil rights, human rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity etc.

The Jihadis, the militant muslims, are basically Nazis in kaffiyahs. They believe that Islam, a radically conservative form of Wahhabi Islam, should own and control the Middle East first, then Europe, then the world. To them, all who do not bow to their will of thinking should be killed, enslaved, or subjugated. They want to finish the Holocaust, destroy Israel, and purge the world of Jews. This is their mantra.

Reply to this comment

• 1
• 2
• next

See all 96 Comments

Add a comment

Comment SUBMIT

Click here to add another comment.

The posting of advertisements, profanity, or personal attacks is prohibited. By using this Web site you agree to accept our Terms of Service. Click here to read the Rules of Engagement.

Comment reply

Submit Cancel

The posting of advertisements, profanity, or personal attacks is prohibited. By using this Web site you agree to accept our Terms of Service. Click here to read the Rules of Engagement.

Report offensive content:

If you believe this comment is offensive or violates the CBSNews.com Terms of Use, you can report it below (this will not automatically remove the comment). Once reported, our staff will be notified and the comment will be reviewed.

Select type of offense:

Offensive: Sexually explicit or offensive language

Spam: Advertisements or commercial links

Disruptive posting: Flaming or offending other users

Illegal activities: Promote cracked software, or other illegal content

Comments (optional):

Report Cancel

E-mail this comment to a friend.

E-mail this to: (Separate multiple e-mail addresses with commas. Limited to 10 addresses.)

Your e-mail address:

Send me a copy of this message

Note: Your e-mail address is used only to let the recipient know who sent the e-mail and in case of transmission error. Neither your address nor the recipients's address will be used for any other purpose.

Add your own personal message: (Optional)

Hi, I found this user's comment on CBSNews.com and thought you might be interested in reading it. Send e-mail Cancel

[krenz4]

Failure of the peace talks will be a victory for the resistance? How sick are these people. They would rather have endless war, no matter what the chances for peace are. I no longer care what "palestinians'' want. They have proven that no matter what opportunities are presented to themn, they will choose bloodshed and war and chaos. They are not worthy to be an independant state.

[prinzowhales]

The Israeli regime cannot afford peace--if Olmert makes any honest effort--which I doubt--he will be politically dead...

If the Israelis and Americans are true to form, you can expect a huge false flag attack orchestrated by the intel agencies to inflame the world against the Palestinians and cover the failure of the conference.

[one_american]

The split of Hamas and Fatah has successfully separated the terrorists from the real Palestinians.

If Hamas continues to reject peace, and really wants nothing but war, they will get it - not only from Israel, but from Fatah and other Arab neighbors as well.

And the Gaza Strip is the perfect shape for carpet bombing runs, too.

Think about it, Hamas.

[krenz4]

No one has to ''inflame'' the world against the Palestinians! ITs obvious that they want killing and death to go on and on, and on. No matter what is on the table, even if its what they asked for, they still want to die. How can they say that the talks are a failure before they even began?? They already know what they are about. ALl they want is to kill and die. Does that make them better than Israel. At least Israel has set up some kind of Government to take care of its own instead of tearing up everything around themselves and playing the everlasting victim. There once was a time when i was interested in what Palestine wanted and I cared that they did not have it, but they have shown time and time again that they want nothing but chaos and death. So be it!

[krenz4]

furthermore, can you blame Israel (or anyone for that matter) for not wanting them as neighbors? I mean come on, they have no cluem they have no order they have no plan except of course to continue being a "victim" of Israel.

[one_american]

I''m really starting to believe that terrorists like Hamas suffer from a genetic defect that prevents them from being rational.

Kind of like liberalism.

[krenz4]

I firmly believe that Israel and AMerica have not been angels in all of this, that we too have done our share of dirty dealing, but Palestine has no agenda outside of violence and no plan whatsoever. I have grown too tired of hearing them and their endless cries of revenge. Can you imagine what would happen if they wre given whatever it is they have demanded all these years? They would turn and become victims of each other (hamas,fatah,etc.....) They seem to need to kill someone, or have some enemy that hates them,even if it means they kill one another! Any people that has been at war this long, with no clear reason why, deserves to be left behind. Who can reason with the unreasonable?

[rohink-2009]

Palestinians don''t want peace and never have.

[j-whitman]

One_American,,,,, Dude,,, genetic defects that prevents them from being rational is often the product of Incest... It has always been predominent in the south land --- People marry their own blood relitives --- Like Giulini did

[ajmarine1]

Failure of the peace talks will be a victory for the resistance? How sick are these people. They would rather have endless war, no matter what the chances for peace are. I no longer care what "palestinians'''' want. They have proven that no matter what opportunities are presented to themn, they will choose bloodshed and war and chaos. They are not worthy to be an independant state.

Posted by krenz4 at 12:08 PM : Nov 27, 2007


My thoughts exactly.

[jowand]

It has always been predominent in the south land --- People marry their own blood relitives --- Like Giulini did

Posted by j-whitman at 02:50 PM : Nov 27, 2007

FDR married his cousin, you''re nuttier than seven-pesos ever was.

[ajmarine1]

Annapolis Conference is doomed to failure: Leader
Tehran Times Political Desk


TEHRAN - Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei said here on Monday that the Annapolis Conference is doomed to failure.

%u201CThe autumn conference, as all say and as is clear from its name, will fade like autumn and fail. However, the Americans are trying to lead it somewhere in order to compensate for some of the failures of the illegitimate usurper Zionist regime.

%u201COf course, the Palestinian nation%u2019s vigilance, which has been intertwined with the vigilance of the Islamic ummah, and especially the great Iranian nation, will prevent the U.S. administration from realizing its evil intensions at the conference.%u201D


http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=157912


Iran''s not going to be any help.

[libsluvsuvs]

it is pretty predictable that the people or entities who wants this summit to fail are the people who benefits from all this carnage in any part of the globe.

Any form of true democracy in any part of the globe would rob them of power.

[cbs_oliver]

"Hamas violently seized control of Gaza in June after routing forces loyal to Abbas, and his lack of control of Gaza has raised questions about his ability to carry out a future peace deal. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has said he will not implement a peace agreement without a halt to militant attacks emanating from Gaza."

It is not nice to craft sentences which cause people to reach the wrong conclusions. The Republicans would have had to violently seize control of the White House in 2000 if teh Democrats had refused to give up control despite the election and the court decision.

Hamas was the elected government. They were legally entitled to take control. The Fatah with the encouragement of the US and Israel refused to give up control as they were supposed to and so there were some fights.

The real important problem here is that AP and CBS and many other media outlets report the news in a deliberatley deceitful way so as to obscure the fact that Hamas acted within their rights - but Fatah did not - and the US for all intents and purposes conspired to overthrow a legally elected government (once again).

If the news media cannot be trusted to tell even the simplest of truths how can they be trusted to report about more complicated matters?

[j-whitman]

jowand,,,, Come on now, FDR married a woman with the same name, many generations removed. ------ Giulini married his second cousin & he''s certianly no FDR

[j-whitman]

AJMarine1,
,,, When you give it a bit of thouhgt, he could be right -- It is doomed to failure ----- Yesterday we had just a photo op with people with no power ----- Bush is on his way out & did nothing for 7 years to achieve a 2 state solution execpt allow Isreal to attack their neighbors,,, Olmert is on his way out, his people blame him for damaging thier military & loosing a war & he''s under corruption investiagations,,, Abbas is only the President of the PLO & doesn''t have any real power with the PLO, Hamas is running Palestine ---- The main power brokers were missing...
.... The next several meetings involve the same people.

[libsluvsuvs]

Posted by CBS_Oliver at 03:58 PM : Nov 27, 2007
+ report abuse

********

Hamas is pretty much like the KKK or the black panther party..WOULD YOU allow an entity like the HAMAS or the KKK to run a country??????????????

[libsluvsuvs]

The main power brokers were missing...
.... The next several meetings involve the same people.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Posted by j-whitman at 04:05 PM : Nov 27, 2007
+ report abuse

*****

and who are your ''two main power brokers"?

[j-whitman]

AJ,,, Isreal won''t accept Palestinian Right of Return, or borders,,, And Isreaites occupying Palestinian territory won''t give up thier land.
--
All sides have agreed that two states should be established, but the Palestinians have objected to referring to Israel as a %u201CJewish state.%u201D The Palestinians and their Arab backers are concerned that a specific reference to a Jewish state would prejudice the right of Palestinians who claim a right to return to land they once owned inside Israel.

American and Israeli officials are resisting Palestinian efforts to include language about %u201Cending the occupation that started in 1967,%u201D a reference to disputed Jewish settlements in the West Bank. The West Bank would form the bulk of an eventual Palestinian state and the two sides must decide which settlements would remain a part of Israel.

The Palestinians want the document to set a one-year timetable for reaching a resolution. The Israelis do not want this, and the Americans are open the idea.

[j-whitman]

libsluvsuvs,,, Yep, it probably is... But with AJ it''s more the lack of honor in not participating in arguments

[j-whitman]

AJMarine1,,, Good I got a response from you, I thought you no longer had the balls to counter my arguments

[j-whitman]

AJMarine1,,,, I''m glad you hung onto my post, but instead of arguing against it, which you can''t- You just cut & ran from arguing. Marines I know fight back

[ajmarine1]

Posted by j-whitman at 05:08 PM : Nov 27, 2007

Balls got nothing to do with it J.

[j-whitman]

If balls have anything to do with it or not,,, We now have 2 soldiers captured in Iraq. You want them tortured ??

[j-whitman]

AJ,,,, We also have a few private security contractors in police custody in Iraq, I don''t want them abused in custody... But this article isn''t about torture of abuse.

It''s a Summit with little power or authority & no peace can be achieved without getting all the others involved including Saudi''s, Syrian''s, Iranian''s, Hezbollah & Hamas on board.

[j-whitman]

AJ,,,, It''s a Summit 7 years too late, & just mouthing the words of a 2 State Solution with 7 years of abstinance isn''t going to cut it.

[ajmarine1]

If balls have anything to do with it or not,,, We now have 2 soldiers captured in Iraq. You want them tortured ??

Posted by j-whitman at 05:21 PM : Nov 27, 2007


You just don''t get it do you J. I''m not talking about torture, just like I wasn''t talking about torture when you sent that other post, you just start going off about Neocons, Bush, and anything anti-Republican when ever you get on a roll. I keep telling you that I am an Independent and I''ve heard you talking points, but you just keep wanting to beat me over the head with them, not to mention that I have dishonored veterans, you''ve lost respect for me, and now I have no balls.

Why would I want to talk to you?

[j-whitman]

AJ,,, You are an independent ? Yet you seem to echo neo-cons & the GOP... If I got you right.

[fitedafuture]

pfft marines,robots with big egos..

[libsluvsuvs]

It''''s a Summit with little power or authority & no peace can be achieved without getting all the others involved including Saudi''''s, Syrian''''s, Iranian''''s, Hezbollah & Hamas on board.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Posted by j-whitman at 05:26 PM : Nov 27, 2007
+ report abuse


*****

he means the ones (including the liberal masses who had been bashing this country) that is formulating, conducting and terrorizing the region or who''s very existance is in danger is peace, democracy and prosperity would sprout in middle east..

[libsluvsuvs]

AJ,,, You are an independent ? Yet you seem to echo neo-cons & the GOP... If I got you right.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Posted by j-whitman at 05:39 PM : Nov 27, 2007
+ report abuse


******

since you are a very presumptious person..should we presume that you are a radical islamic militant..you echo al queda and most radical islamic clerics..

[ajmarine1]

Posted by fitedafuture at 05:53 PM : Nov 27, 2007

That''s right, GREAT BIG egos.

[j-whitman]

libsluvsuvs,,,, Get back in your SUV -- What is it with you calling Americans radical islamic militants ?? ---- Oh, that''s a GOP thing, the party who fell into Ossama Bin Laden''s trap

[libsluvsuvs]

Marines I know fight back


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Posted by j-whitman at 05:14 PM : Nov 27, 2007
+ report abuse


*******

is that the same marines that you often refer as killers, incompetent and ''just goes around torturing innocent people for fun''?

you tend to flip and flop on your arguments to fit your present fancy.

[libsluvsuvs]

Posted by j-whitman at 06:10 PM : Nov 27, 2007
+ report abuse


******
well you pretty much push radical islamic cause better than any jihadist..as they saying goes or your presumptions goes.."you echo" a very radical islamic cleric..

(nice to see that you are evolving with your style..playing mind games??)

[libsluvsuvs]

Oh, that''''s a GOP thing, the party who fell into Ossama Bin Laden''''s trap


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Posted by j-whitman at 06:10 PM : Nov 27, 2007
+ report abuse


**********

you mean the trap that the Liberal DNC had assisted in placing?? yeah and the liberal media like al franken will make sure to lure more idiots into thinking that they fell in that trap and funny enough these idiots pay them for that.

[j-whitman]

libsluvsuvs,,,, Nope, the trap of changing our nation into one that reacts without thought or verifiable intell out of fear from a few.

[libsluvsuvs]

Nope, the trap of changing our nation into one that reacts without thought or verifiable intell out of fear from a few.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Posted by j-whitman at 06:24 PM : Nov 27, 2007
+ report abuse


***** you are so predictable..you are going to lure this into iraq again..well how much intel do you need to tell you that there are people out there that are more than willing to kill A LOT MORE if they can instead of a FEW???

If our effort to rid the world of radical islamic terrrorism..then why are there more and more countries that are agreeing with us and actually willing to work to rid THIER OWN COUNTRY of this filth?????????

the only ones that agrees with you at this point are the ones who are committing these atrocities. you are trying to validate the HAMAS and HAZEBOLLAH as recognized entity?????????? now wonder you are always sympatehtic to true criminals

[libsluvsuvs]

Posted by j-whitman at 06:24 PM : Nov 27, 2007
+ report abuse


**************

btw...where is your elected DNC with the impeachment??how about the troop withdrawal??

[j-whitman]

libsluvsuvs,,
,, Think about it... 4 years following Bush''s invasion in a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, Defense Secretary Gates says take the soft approach on terrorism... Commander of CENTCOM says cool the rhetoric on Iran they are not a threat.
,,,,, Dude, Bush still hasn''t got Afaganistan right.

[ajmarine1]

In Gaza on Tuesday thousands of people joined a rally protesting against the talks, many of them chanting "Abbas is a traitor" and "We will not recognise Israel".

And in the West Bank, controlled by Mr Abbas''s Fatah faction, Palestinian security forces broke up several protests against the Annapolis gathering. One man was killed in Hebron, Palestinian medical officials said.

In Jerusalem, Israelis gathered at the Western Wall on Monday to protest against the conference. Israeli opposition leader Benjamin Netanyahu labelling the meeting "a continuation of one-sided concessions".


There will be no peace out of this.......saddly, the killing will go on and on.

[libsluvsuvs]

here is an advice for you jwhitman..dont get your ''intel'' from a b-rated comedian or a washed up fat con man..tabloid magazines..if you insist to do that..the very first thing you need to understand that thier prosperity depends on how much money you are willing to pay..

[j-whitman]

libsluvsuvs,,, Why don''t you pay attention to something other than FOX, you''d know where the DNC stands.

[libsluvsuvs]

There will be no peace out of this.......saddly, the killing will go on and on.




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Posted by AJMarine1 at 06:34 PM : Nov 27, 2007
+ report abuse


*****

yes the killing will go on..but at this point finally we are drawing a line where we can start and effort to reduce that killing instead of let that floodgates wide open because we cannot stop the tide.
The need to reduce radical islam''s venom in the region needs to start now...

[libsluvsuvs]

libsluvsuvs,,, Why don''''t you pay attention to something other than FOX, you''''d know where the DNC stands.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Posted by j-whitman at 06:35 PM : Nov 27, 2007
+ report abuse

***********

I dont watch fox news nor do I care about orielly or limbaugh or whomever..I dont need anybody to tell me what is obvious..THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND I...I prefer to think you prefer to pay for your ideas....

[ajmarine1]

Speaking at an %u201Canti-Annapolis%u201D conference in Gaza, leaders of the Islamist group which seized the enclave from Abbas%u2019 forces in June said the president did not represent the Palestinian people and vowed never to recognize Israel.

%u201CLet the whole world hear us %u2014 we will not cede an inch of Palestine and we will never recognize Israel,%u201D Hamas%u2019 Gaza leader Ismail Haniyeh told the meeting of about 1,000 people, including representatives from some other Palestinian factions


http://arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=104028&d=27&m=11&y=2007

Hamas, Hezaballa, and Iran do not want peace, nothing but the destruction of Israel will satisfiy them.

If I were them, I might feel the same way.

Having said that, it''s still time to make peace or war; what they have now is beyond a nightmare.

[j-whitman]

AJMarine1,,, Yep, it''s going to be a problem --- Bush should have been fully engaged in the peace process instead of ignoring it for 7 years & getting all the neighbors on board when he 1st mouthed the words of a 2 State Solution.

[j-whitman]

AJMarine1,,, Get rid of the concept of they want to destroy Isreal,, it would have been done by now. It''s always been political rhetorc to fuel the masses.
--- But you are wrong, If you paid more attention they have all been pushing for stabilization, they are very much against more wars, but they won''t back off either.

[ajmarine1]

Israelis rated the Annapolis peace summit as the lowest item on their list of concerns, according to a poll published this week. In descending order, they ranked education, personal safety, economy and the socio-econ-omic situation before Annapolis.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article2957498.ece


Sounds like Israeli''s aren''t to excited about this peace summit either.

[dmhphils]

The liberal mentality is supposed to favor human rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity etc., but if the Jihad wins, wherever the Jihad wins, it is the end of civil rights, human rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity etc.

The Jihadis, the militant muslims, are basically Nazis in kaffiyahs. They believe that Islam, a radically conservative form of Wahhabi Islam, should own and control the Middle East first, then Europe, then the world. To them, all who do not bow to their will of thinking should be killed, enslaved, or subjugated. They want to finish the Holocaust, destroy Israel, and purge the world of Jews. This is their mantra.