Romney And Giuliani Turn Negative In N.H.

Washington Post: GOP Rivals Go On Attack As Giuliani Tries To Chip Away At Romney's Lead

(Washingtonpost.com) 
Romney leads public polls in both Iowa and New Hampshire, while Giuliani and Thompson are essentially tied for third behind Huckabee in a new Washington Post-ABC News poll of Iowa Republicans. In New Hampshire, recent polls show Giuliani and McCain statistically tied for second place.

Throughout the campaign, Giuliani's advisers have outlined a strategy that they said could overcome early losses to Romney in Iowa and New Hampshire with victories in subsequent contests in Florida, New York, New Jersey and Illinois. But Giuliani expressed little interest in putting that theory to the test unless absolutely necessary.

"It is not inconceivable that you could, if you won Florida [after losing in the early states], turn the whole thing around," Giuliani said. "I'd rather not do it that way. That would create ulcers for my entire staff and for me. . . . We want to win as many of the early ones as possible. That's why we're here and not in Florida right now."

Giuliani was dismissive of the other leading Republican candidates, particularly Thompson. Asked about Thompson's criticism that he spends too much time talking about his record in New York, Giuliani laughed.

"I will not really respond to Fred, because it might discourage him from campaigning, and he's doing so little of it I don't want to discourage him," he said, taking a shot at Thompson's reputation as a less-than-frenetic campaigner. "It's okay. Fred can say what he wants."

But his toughest comments were reserved for Romney. "Nobody thought of him as a fiscal conservative," Giuliani said. "People did think of me as a fiscal conservative. Romney says he tried to lower taxes. I give him credit for that. But he never accomplished it. I did accomplish it. . . . He wasn't particularly good at reducing crime. I was the most effective in the country at reducing crime. Murder went up when he was governor. Robbery went up. Violent crimes went up."

Romney accused Giuliani of mangling his facts. "He's got a real problem checking facts," Romney said during a Sunday afternoon interview, arguing that violent crime in Massachusetts declined 7 percent while he was governor. Giuliani aides immediately challenged that assertion.

On health care, Giuliani challenged Romney to stand behind the plan enacted while he was governor, which mandates health care for all individuals in Massachusetts. "The oddest thing is he doesn't want to do for America what he did for Massachusetts," he said, laughing. "He did mandate health care for Massachusetts, which is Hillary Care, and he doesn't want to do that for America."

"I was just across the country this week talking about my plan," Romney said in response. "I'm very proud of my health-care plan and think it should be a model for other states to adopt." Giuliani, he noted, has not yet laid out details of how he would address concerns about the health-care system.

Romney insisted that his decision to talk about family values on Sunday had nothing to do with the personal life of a rival who has been married three times. He said he was angry that Giuliani had used the judicial controversy to attack him after he had refrained from personally criticizing Giuliani over Kerik's indictment. "I must admit that of all the people who might attack someone on the basis of an appointment, I thought he would be the last to do so," Romney said.

[westprophet]

A FOREIGN POLICY OF FREEDOM
All of the other presidential candidates want to continue our illegal police action in Iraq indefinitely, and they do not rule out a preemptive (nuclear) first strike against Iran. Conversely, Ron Paul voted against our (undeclared) war in Iraq, which was sold to us with lies. The area is more dangerous now than when we entered it. We destroyed a regime hated by our direct enemies--the jihadists, and created thousands of new recruits for them. The war in Iraq has cost more than 3,500 American lives and almost a trillion dollars. We need a leader in the White House who will ensure this never happens again. Both Jefferson and Washington warned us about entangling ourselves in the affairs of other nations. Today, we have 750 foreign bases and troops in 130 countries. We are spread so thin that we have too few troops defending America. And now, there are new calls for a draft. We can continue to fund and fight no-win police actions around the globe, or we can refocus on securing our borders against illegal aliens who are invading us from the South. No war should ever be fought without a Declaration of War voted upon by the Congress, as required by The Constitution. Under no circumstances should the U.S. again go to war as the result of a resolution that comes from an unelected, foreign body, such as the United Nations. Too often, we give foreign aid and intervene on behalf of governments that are despised. Then, we become despised.

[abdoul_pasha]

Masha`allah, how many nicks of one person:)

[denn034]

Two more comments. First, the Democrats are sparing like the Republicans so, I don''t want to hear Hillary''s "Republican playbook" comment about that. I don''t know Thompson''s position on immigration but, I like that he''s Reaganesque.

[denn034]

Giuliani is desparate and Romney is defending himself. Romney''s flip flopping opens him up for criticism. Giuliani''s divorces and support for gay rights and pro-choice, I agree with his immigration stand and won''t criticize it, opens him up for criticism. I don''t like the personal attacks though. In any event, I hope their bickering will turn off voters and give the Reaganesque Thompson a boost. Go Thompson!

[newsprophet]

GIULIANI MISUSING 9/11 LEGACY
Hundreds of FDNY Firefighters and family members of people who died during the 9/11 tragedy have formed a group known as 9/11 Firefighters and Families. The group intends to follow Guiliani around the country in an effort to inform the public that Rudolph Giuliani is not a hero. The head of the group, FDNY Fire Chief Jim Riches, recently told MSNBC, "We are going to follow him around and tell the true story of what happened on 9/11 because he seems to have declared himself ''Mr. 9/11'' and I disagree with him for many reasons. We want to let the public know that Rudy Giulliani is not ''Mr. 9/11''. He''s not a hero. He ran that day." When asked if he felt that his views reflect those of the majority of FDNY Firefighters, Riches said, "Well I can tell you. I''m an active Chief and I work in the fire house, and you''ll hear a four letter word after his name, and it''s not ''hero''... He failed us on many counts. We didn''t have radios that worked that day. We had no unified command. We had no inter-agency drills. We didn''t have OEM, which was incompotent and useless that day. We had self-evacuation requests, and people were being told to stay in place right up until the second tower fell... all of his commisioners in there were either incompotent or unqualified. He made a Fireman the Fire Commisioner, a Police Officer the Police Commissioner, and OEM Director who was a Fire Dispatcher, and they made decisions that day that were fatal." therealrudy.org

[bestprophet]

COULDN''T VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN? REALLY?
Everytime I hear Democrats say "I hate the Republican Party. Look at what Bush has done.," I can''t help but think about all of Bush''s Democratic enablers in the Congress like Clinton, Obama, Pelosi, et. al. who made all of his dastardly deeds possible. They handed him every bit of legislation with which he has used to make himself the dictator that he now is on a silver platter. The Democrats in Congress don''t even seem to express any interest in investigating Bush for the crimes he and Cheney have surely committed against our country even though a vast majority of Americans think they should. What cowards! In fact, Obama and Clinton even voted in favor of legislation which actually allows Bush to pre-pardon himself and his administration for crimes dating all the way back to 9/11. What''s up with that? Look. Do yourself and your country a favor. Focus on the candidate, and the ideas and positions he or she represents, and then study the candidate''s track record of performance with respect to those positions. That''s all that really matters in the end. Elections are not a contest of two teams. Ultimately, It''s the politician who will either serve your interests or betray them while in office--not their party. Finally, Democrats, I ask you this: Would you have voted for Steven Douglas (a Democrat), who was ardently pro-slavery, against Abraham Lincoln (a Republican) simply because Douglas was a Democrat? I think most of you would.

[folkprophet]

GIULIANI GIVES AID TO AL QAEDA
How much exactly would it cost to get Rudy Giuliani to holster his overdone 9/11 sanctimony? The government for the tiny Persian Gulf nation of Qatar might have a good idea. Following earlier reports that Giuliani was still getting paid by a consulting firm he created, Giuliani Partners LLC, Mary Jacoby of the Wall Street Journal sheds light on some potentially problematic sources of Giuliani''s private income. Chief among them is Qatar, the U.S. ally that paid Giuliani Partners for "security advice" regarding their petroleum facilities. The article uncovers a "potential political pitfall" for Giuliani''s candidacy and image given Qatar''s spotty record in fighting Al Qaeda, and addresses aspects of the business arrangement that could dog Giuliani during his quest for the presidency. Specifically, the ostensible chief consumer of Giuliani''s security advice in this case would be Qatar''s Internal Security Ministry, currently headed by a known Al Qaeda associate. As reported earlier this year, Qatar Interior Minister Abdullah bin Khalid Al-Thani has long had ties to top Al Qaeda operatives including Osama Bin Laden, and is believed by many U.S. officials to have personally arranged the narrow escape of Al Qaeda big-wig Khalid Sheikh Mohammed from U.S. agents in 1996, thereby ensuring his freedom to mastermind the 9/11 attacks. Giuliani has refused to release specifics of the case, and to-date remains on the firm''s payroll.

[newsprophet]

GIULIANI MISUSING 9/11 LEGACY
Hundreds of FDNY Firefighters and family members of people who died during the 9/11 tragedy have formed a group known as 9/11 Firefighters and Families. The group intends to follow Guiliani around the country in an effort to inform the public that Rudolph Giuliani is not a hero. The head of the group, FDNY Fire Chief Jim Riches, recently told MSNBC, "We are going to follow him around and tell the true story of what happened on 9/11 because he seems to have declared himself ''Mr. 9/11'' and I disagree with him for many reasons. We want to let the public know that Rudy Giulliani is not ''Mr. 9/11''. He''s not a hero. He ran that day." When asked if he felt that his views reflect those of the majority of FDNY Firefighters, Riches said, "Well I can tell you. I''m an active Chief and I work in the fire house, and you''ll hear a four letter word after his name, and it''s not ''hero''... He failed us on many counts. We didn''t have radios that worked that day. We had no unified command. We had no inter-agency drills. We didn''t have OEM, which was incompotent and useless that day. We had self-evacuation requests, and people were being told to stay in place right up until the second tower fell... all of his commisioners in there were either incompotent or unqualified. He made a Fireman the Fire Commisioner, a Police Officer the Police Commissioner, and OEM Director who was a Fire Dispatcher, and they made decisions that day that were fatal." therealrudy.org

[bestprophet]

ONLY RON PAUL CAN BEAT CLINTON
Zogby''s Director of Communications Fritz Wenzel said on November 20 that Paul is the strongest of the GOP candidates to run against Clinton. "Among the larger universe of voters," which includes all parties, "yes, Paul would be a much stronger candidate than any of the other three [Romney, Giuliani, Thompson]," Wenzel said. Zogby recently announced that Paul was their winner in a nationwide blind-bio poll which included voters from all parties. "He is anti-war and the majority of Democrats are anti-war, he has some other ideas and policies and stances on issues more attractive to Democrats, particularly conservative Democrats," said Wenzel. "Even among Independents, he is far and away a more attractive candidate," he added. Paul is the only GOP candidate who is not threatening war with Iran, whereas Clinton vowed to keep that option "on the table." Paul also voted against the war in Iraq, which Clinton has supported. Because Democrats outnumber Republicans, none of the other GOP candidates can win against Clinton, because they simply won''t be able to reach across party lines and attract enough Democratic and Independent voters to beat Clinton. Only Paul can do that. "He''s right on schedule," Wenzel said. "He''s making all the right moves, going in the right direction...at a time when other candidates are not moving." Wenzel based his analysis on recent polls that show Paul could win in New Hampshire and that his support nationwide is intensifying.

[folkprophet]

RON PAUL WINS BIG IN NATIONAL POLL
The results of a nationwide telephone poll, announced by Zogby on November 19th, reveals that Americans want to vote for a candidate who protects liberty; who wants to shrink government; and who wants to immediately withdraw our troops from Iraq - positions of Congressman Ron Paul. As part of a blind-bio, spread poll, likely voters (from all parties) were provided with descriptions of four different Republican candidates and asked to choose who they would vote for based on each one''s resume and political platform. 33% of pollees chose Ron Paul, 19% chose Rudy Giuliani, 15% chose Mitt Romney and 13% chose Fred Thompson. The results clearly illustrate that the country is crying out for Ron Paul, which is why mainstream media has launched a public relations offensive to marginalize his accomplishments and suppress the Congressman''s name recognition. In a seperate question, over 49% of pollees said they would be more likely to vote for a candidate who would begin an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. In fact, Ron Paul won in every demographic of this poll including, but not limited to, religious voters, NASCAR fans, military families, African-Americans, etc..

[newsprophet]

CNN REPORTS RON PAUL IN 4TH PLACE
Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul is gaining momentum in New Hampshire and Iowa, according to two seperate polls released November 20 by the CNN/WMUR and Boston Globe/University of New Hampshire. The Texas congressman has garnered an estimated 8% in New Hampshire, surpassing former GOP front-runner Fred Thompson, and is tied with John McCain both in New Hampshire and Iowa. These poll numbers were released over by the Boston Globe in association with the University of New Hampshire Survey Center, and the Marist College Institute for Public Opinion, both confirmed Congressman Paul%u2019s support to be higher than Thompson%u2019s as well. "The polls confirm what we already know: Congressman Paul is catching on in the early primary states," said Paul campaign spokesman Jesse Benton. "His unifying message of freedom, peace, and prosperity is resonating strongly with voters in Iowa and New Hampshire, and we%u2019re rapidly gaining support nationwide." The New York Times poll was conducted November 2-12. On November 5, the Ron Paul campaign brought in a record-breaking $4.2 million in grass root donations online, and an additional $1 million to end the week. His campaign has raised over 9 million dollars so far in this quarter.

[bestprophet]

GIULIANI WELCOMES ILLEGAL ALIENS
Cintra-Zachry, a company owned by the King of Spain, is currently building the NAFTA superhighway through the middle of our country, and they to get to keep the tolls. Giuliani''s Law firm, Bracewell & Giuliani represents that Spanish company. Another Giuliani business, Giuliani Capitol Advisors was once a partner of Cintra-Zachry, and owned the rights to collect the tolls from the Indiana and Chicago sections of the highway before they sold that interest to an Australian company called Macquarie recently. Bracewell & Giuliani represents some of the biggest multi-national oil, utility and financial corporations in the world. With that have come the connections that Giuliani has been able to tap into in order to fund his campaign. Not only is Giuliani the consummate globalist who actively sells-off our country to foreigners, he''s also the only GOP candidate who supports abortion. Also unnerving, given Giuliani''s personal experience on 9/11, is his defense of open borders, and the fact that he publicly welcomed illegals to come to New York where he would provide them with sanctuary. We should have seen it coming when Mayor Giuliani enacted Special Order 40 in 1994, ordering NYC cops to stop checking the immigration status of suspects caught violating the Law. Giuliani also supports creation of the North American Union, which will forever end our nation''s sovereignty and limited constitutional form of government. Vote for a REAL AMERICAN--Ron Paul.

[random_radar]

Ron Paul also believes in free speech and respect for other people. That''s a platform plank that Mr. Prophet is too immature to understand.

Not every Ron Paul supporter is an insipid idiot like the prophet who spams. Most of us respect you and your opinions.

I think the self-ordained prophet is probably a schill working against Ron Paul. I apologize for him.

[folkprophet]

RON PAUL KNOWS HOW TO STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. Ron Paul has a plan: (1.) Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals. (2.) Enforce Visa rules. Immigration officials must track Visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their Visa or otherwise violates U.S. Law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired Visas. (3.) No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That''s a lot of people to reward for breaking our Laws. (4.) No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules, but taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services. (5.) End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong. (6.) Pass true immigration reform. The current system, and those proposed by ALL other candidates, is incoherent and unfair, and would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country.

[newsprophet]

RON PAUL WILL RESTORE U.S. SOVEREIGNTY
All of the trade deals and world government organizations, which all of the presidential candidates support (except Ron Paul), such as the ICC, NAFTA, GATT, WTO, and CAFTA, are all a major threat to our nation''s sovereignty. They transfer power from our government to unelected foreign elites. The ICC wants to try our soldiers as war criminals. Both the WTO and CAFTA could force Americans to get a prescription to take herbs and vitamins. The WTO has forced Congress to change our laws to meet their needs, and not our own. If anything, the WTO makes trade relations worse by giving foreign competitors a new way to attack U.S. jobs. The NAFTA superhighway, being built by a Spanish company, is just one part of a plan to erase our borders and create the North American Union, a single nation State like the EU, out of Canada, the U.S. and Mexico, with a new, unelected bureaucracy and money system. Forget about controlling immigration under the NAU scheme. There won''t be any borders anymore, or a free America. Our limited, constitutional government will be gone forever. Let''s not forget the UN either. It wants to impose a direct Carbon Tax on us. Ron Paul successfully fought this move in Congress last year, but if we are going to stop ongoing attempts of this world government body to rule over us, we need someone in the White House who knows how to say "No." We must withdraw from any organizations or treaty that infringes upon our nation''s sovereignty.

[bestprophet]

MORMONS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
There are lots of Mormons where I live. For the most part, they are good people, but they mostly keep to themselves. However, they do have some strange beliefs: that people of color are descendants of Lucifer (Lamanites); that they need to wear special undergarments they obtain from their church; celestial marriage; that mankind was created on a different planet and planted here by the Mormon Jesus and his Brother, Lucifer. There''s more, but I''ll spare you. Research it yourself. I personally think Joseph Smith ate some really good mushrooms before Moroni appeared to him in the woods of New York and inspired him to write the Book of Mormon. I don''t hold anything against Romney for being Mormon, though. I don''t like him because Romney, like Giuliani, is soft on illegal immigration and national sovereignty (as most globalist CFR members are), and he''s a war-monger who approves the use of torture. I love my country, and with a guy like him in office, Old Glory will be coming down soon, and the North American Union flag goes up. They are already minting the "Amero" (the replacement for the Dollar) at the U.S. Mint in Denver, and most people are clueless. Why do you think The Fed is tanking our Dollar. It''s the age old "Problem Reaction Solution" dialectic--after they cause our economy to collapse, we''ll be begging them to save us with their new, silver-based NAU currency. Ron Paul is the only candidate who has done anything to protect U.S. sovereignty.

[folkprophet]

COULDN''T VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN? REALLY?
Everytime I hear Democrats say "I hate the Republican Party. Look at what Bush has done.," I can''t help but think about all of Bush''s Democratic enablers in the Congress like Clinton, Obama, Pelosi, et. al. who made all of his dastardly deeds possible. They handed him every bit of legislation with which he has used to make himself the dictator that he now is on a silver platter. The Democrats in Congress don''t even seem to express any interest in investigating Bush for the crimes he and Cheney have surely committed against our country even though a vast majority of Americans think they should. What cowards! In fact, Obama and Clinton even voted in favor of legislation which actually allows Bush to pre-pardon himself and his administration for crimes dating all the way back to 9/11. What''s up with that? Look. Do yourself and your country a favor. Focus on the candidate, and the ideas and positions he or she represents, and then study the candidate''s track record of performance with respect to those positions. That''s all that really matters in the end. Elections are not a contest of two teams. Ultimately, It''s the politician who will either serve your interests or betray them while in office--not their party. Finally, Democrats, I ask you this: Would you have voted for Steven Douglas (a Democrat), who was ardently pro-slavery, against Abraham Lincoln (a Republican) simply because Douglas was a Democrat? I think most of you would.

[newsprophet]

GIULIANI GIVES AID TO AL QAEDA
How much exactly would it cost to get Rudy Giuliani to holster his overdone 9/11 sanctimony? The government for the tiny Persian Gulf nation of Qatar might have a good idea. Following earlier reports that Giuliani was still getting paid by a consulting firm he created, Giuliani Partners LLC, Mary Jacoby of the Wall Street Journal sheds light on some potentially problematic sources of Giuliani''s private income. Chief among them is Qatar, the U.S. ally that paid Giuliani Partners for "security advice" regarding their petroleum facilities. The article uncovers a "potential political pitfall" for Giuliani''s candidacy and image given Qatar''s spotty record in fighting Al Qaeda, and addresses aspects of the business arrangement that could dog Giuliani during his quest for the presidency. Specifically, the ostensible chief consumer of Giuliani''s security advice in this case would be Qatar''s Internal Security Ministry, currently headed by a known Al Qaeda associate. As reported earlier this year, Qatar Interior Minister Abdullah bin Khalid Al-Thani has long had ties to top Al Qaeda operatives including Osama Bin Laden, and is believed by many U.S. officials to have personally arranged the narrow escape of Al Qaeda big-wig Khalid Sheikh Mohammed from U.S. agents in 1996, thereby ensuring his freedom to mastermind the 9/11 attacks. Giuliani has refused to release specifics of the case, and to-date remains on the firm''s payroll.

[bestprophet]

GIULIANI MISUSING 9/11 LEGACY
Hundreds of FDNY Firefighters and family members of people who died during the 9/11 tragedy have formed a group known as 9/11 Firefighters and Families. The group intends to follow Guiliani around the country in an effort to inform the public that Rudolph Giuliani is not a hero. The head of the group, FDNY Fire Chief Jim Riches, recently told MSNBC, "We are going to follow him around and tell the true story of what happened on 9/11 because he seems to have declared himself ''Mr. 9/11'' and I disagree with him for many reasons. We want to let the public know that Rudy Giulliani is not ''Mr. 9/11''. He''s not a hero. He ran that day." When asked if he felt that his views reflect those of the majority of FDNY Firefighters, Riches said, "Well I can tell you. I''m an active Chief and I work in the fire house, and you''ll hear a four letter word after his name, and it''s not ''hero''... He failed us on many counts. We didn''t have radios that worked that day. We had no unified command. We had no inter-agency drills. We didn''t have OEM, which was incompotent and useless that day. We had self-evacuation requests, and people were being told to stay in place right up until the second tower fell... all of his commisioners in there were either incompotent or unqualified. He made a Fireman the Fire Commisioner, a Police Officer the Police Commissioner, and OEM Director who was a Fire Dispatcher, and they made decisions that day that were fatal." therealrudy.org

[folkprophet]

ONLY RON PAUL CAN BEAT CLINTON
Zogby''s Director of Communications Fritz Wenzel said on November 20 that Paul is the strongest of the GOP candidates to run against Clinton. "Among the larger universe of voters," which includes all parties, "yes, Paul would be a much stronger candidate than any of the other three [Romney, Giuliani, Thompson]," Wenzel said. Zogby recently announced that Paul was their winner in a nationwide blind-bio poll which included voters from all parties. "He is anti-war and the majority of Democrats are anti-war, he has some other ideas and policies and stances on issues more attractive to Democrats, particularly conservative Democrats," said Wenzel. "Even among Independents, he is far and away a more attractive candidate," he added. Paul is the only GOP candidate who is not threatening war with Iran, whereas Clinton vowed to keep that option "on the table." Paul also voted against the war in Iraq, which Clinton has supported. Because Democrats outnumber Republicans, none of the other GOP candidates can win against Clinton, because they simply won''t be able to reach across party lines and attract enough Democratic and Independent voters to beat Clinton. Only Paul can do that. "He''s right on schedule," Wenzel said. "He''s making all the right moves, going in the right direction...at a time when other candidates are not moving." Wenzel based his analysis on recent polls that show Paul could win in New Hampshire and that his support nationwide is intensifying.