Ret. General: Time For An Iraq Timetable

Says U.S. Troops Should Begin Withdrawal, Backs Bill Calling For End To Combat Within Year

(CBS/AP)  In the Democrats' weekly radio address, retired Army Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez said he supports legislation that calls for most troops to come home within a year.

This month, the House passed a $50 billion bill that would pay for combat operations but sets the goal that combat end by Dec. 15, 2008. The White House threatened to veto the measure, and Senate Republicans blocked it from passing.

"The improvements in security produced by the courage and blood of our troops have not been matched by a willingness on the part of Iraqi leaders to make the hard choices necessary to bring peace to their country," Sanchez said.

Sanchez was the top commander in Iraq from 2003 to 2004, shortly after the fall of Baghdad.

He said the Democratic-sponsored House bill "makes the proper preparation of our deploying troops a priority and requires the type of shift in their mission that will allow their numbers to be reduced substantially."

President Bush has vowed to veto any bills which includes a timetable for troop withdrawals.

In his weekly radio address, President Bush urged Americans on Saturday to be grateful for troops who serve in Iraq and Afghanistan and for those who lose their lives.

"Giving thanks has been an American tradition from the beginning," Mr. Bush said in his weekly radio address. "We are grateful to all our men and women in uniform who are spending this holiday weekend far from their families. We keep them in our thoughts and prayers. And we especially remember those who have given their lives in our nation's defense."

Mr. Bush recalled the story of Lt. Michael Murphy, a Navy SEAL whom the president posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor in October. In 2005 in Afghanistan, Murphy exposed himself to deadly enemy fire on the battlefield in order to make a desperate call for help for his elite combat team.

"This weekend, we give thanks for the blessings of young Americans like Lt. Michael Murphy, who risk their own lives to keep us safe," the president said.

Mr. Bush also noted the contribution of others such as police officers, firefighters, emergency responders and community volunteers who "serve a cause larger than themselves."

"While we were enjoying our Thanksgiving turkeys, tens of thousands of these men and women were on the job," he said.

[macusweil]

George W Bush is a traitor. He lied to the American people and lead us into the failed invasion occupation of Iraq. The conflict has lead to the death and dismemberment of 30,000+ US soldiers and seen one trillion dollars disappear from the treasury. What have we gained?

President Eisenhower once said ~ "Good judgment seeks balance and progress; lack of it eventually finds imbalance and frustration."

Major imbalance and frustration my fellow Americans is where we stand today thanks entirely to the poor judgment of George Bush and his fellow pseudo-republican cronies in our current government.

RonPaul4All.com

[one_american]

The Bush-bashers are drowning in their failed attacks against the President, and their War Against America.

You liberals are a complete disgrace to yourselves and your families.

Nobody "lied" to you - but yourself.

Face up to the truth for one day in your miserable lives.

[ioweign]

The Bush-bashers are drowning in their failed attacks against the President, and their War Against America.

You liberals are a complete disgrace to yourselves and your families.

Nobody "lied" to you - but yourself.

Face up to the truth for one day in your miserable lives.

Posted by One_American at 12:55 PM : Nov 24, 2007

Bush lies even to "his" Generals, numbnuts !


How Bush Uses His Generals

By Dan Froomkin
Monday, July 16, 2007; 2:00 PM

President Bush says that he should be trusted on military issues because he listens to his commanders. But he has a tendency to celebrate his generals when they''re providing him political cover -- then stick a knife in their backs when they''re no longer of any use to him.

Last week, Bush rejected any blame for the chaos that ensued in Iraq after the March 2003 invasion. So whose fault was it? Bush pointed the finger at Gen. Tommy Franks, the Central Command chief at the time. "My primary question to General Franks was, do you have what it takes to succeed? And do you have what it takes to succeed after you succeed in removing Saddam Hussein? And his answer was, yes," Bush said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2007/07/16/BL2007071600891.html

[omega39-2009]

Posted by One_American

Un-American, it''s good to know that you can always be counted on to stand on the side lines and cheer the "shirt" over what is truly good for this country and it''s armed forces. You and your brethren have built a personality cult around an unfit President, and rather then admit your mistake you would rather see the country bankrupt and it''s military broken.

[iceman_1960]

"The improvements in security produced by the courage and blood of our troops have not been matched by a willingness on the part of Iraqi leaders to make the hard choices necessary to bring peace to their country," Sanchez said.

And without that, the Surge has been in vain.

[iceman_1960]

"In his weekly radio address, President Bush urged Americans on Saturday to be grateful for troops who serve in Iraq and Afghanistan and for those who lose their lives."

Bush could have shown a little gratitude and courage by going to Iraq or Afghanistan to be with the troops in person on Thanksgiving.

As his father did.

But Bush preferred to loll around at luxurious Camp David, and "phone in" his thanks to the troops. ("He was on the phone over an hour" his aide enthused.)

I hear he called collect.

Perhaps his long-time lover Karl Rove advised him to stay home.

[jetranger7]

Actually "One_American", is so Pathetically Stupid and Ignorant, its PATHETIC, probably an Alcholic or a Meth Tweaker !! Its Because of people like him to STUPID & Ignorant to even have a brain to begin with ! Can you imagine having to live with this Numb-nut, worthless idiot - gesshh ! I wish I lived arond the corner from the DUNTZ, I need to practice with my S&W !

[macusweil]

"You liberals are a complete disgrace to yourselves and your families."

To all you so called conservatives who some how twist logic to still defend bush:

1) Is it conservative to invade a foreign country without an attack? True conservatives hate war and only use it as a means of absolute last resort. It is against core American ideals to do otherwise and simply not worth the cost in lives.

2) Is it conservative to spend more than you earn? To spend more tax dollars than any Congress or president have spent in the history of our nation is not conservative. The free spending pseudo-conservative Republicans in Congress managed to create the largest deficit in US history of over nine trillion dollars, a 56% increase under in just six years under Bush. What do we have to show for it all?

3) Is it conservative to in prison and torture any American citizen for years without charges or a trial? This is in direct conflict with the US Constitution. Is it conservative to surrender our hard fought liberty & freedoms to allow the government to spy on us at will, check your bank accounts, political affiliation, what books you read at the public library?

What ever happened to live free or die?

One_American your ideas stink of cowardice and shame in a most un-American fashion. Your plebeian name calling and knee jerk reactions to world events are anything but conservative. Please find a new hole to crawl into and reflect.

[macusweil]

"You liberals are a complete disgrace to yourselves and your families."

To all you so called conservatives who some how twist logic to still defend bush:

1) Is it conservative to invade a foreign country without an attack? True conservatives hate war and only use it as a means of absolute last resort. It is against core American ideals to do otherwise and simply not worth the cost in lives.

2) Is it conservative to spend more than you earn? To spend more tax dollars than any Congress or president have spent in the history of our nation is not conservative. The free spending pseudo-conservative Republicans in Congress managed to create the largest deficit in US history of over nine trillion dollars, a 56% increase under in just six years under Bush. What do we have to show for it all?

3) Is it conservative to in prison and torture any American citizen for years without charges or a trial? This is in direct conflict with the US Constitution. Is it conservative to surrender our hard fought liberty & freedoms to allow the government to spy on us at will, check your bank accounts, political affiliation, what books you read at the public library?

What ever happened to live free or die?

One_American your ideas stink of cowardice and shame in a most un-American fashion. Your plebeian name calling and knee jerk reactions to world events are anything but conservative. Please find a new hole to crawl into and reflect.

[harp1963]

C''mon America. We''ve only channeled a few trillion taxpayer dollars through the companies of George Bush''s friends through unbid government contracts in Iraq. We need to keep doing this until we go bankrupt like the Soviet Union did by pouring endless amounts of money into military conquest of countries that didn''t attack us. These "no surrender" Americans are right we should fight until the American dollar is devalued to less than the peso. Never give up! Keep fighting. Don''t develop alternate fuels! Just keep the propaganda flowing and steal as much taxpayer money as you can before you leave office.

[liberalvet]

The Bush-bashers are drowning in their failed attacks against the President, and their War Against America.

You liberals are a complete disgrace to yourselves and your families.

Nobody "lied" to you - but yourself.

Face up to the truth for one day in your miserable lives.


Posted by One_American at 12:55 PM : Nov 24, 2007

What a moron. At least only 20% or so of Americans see things through the same narrow visioned outlook as you. It must be he11 to have been getting your way for the past 7 years and now see it all slipping away. Well get used to it, real Americans are taking our country back before you and yoru kind destroy it or sell it all off.....

[iceman_1960]

"The Bush-bashers are drowning in their failed attacks against the President, and their War Against America."
- Posted by One_American at 12:55 PM : Nov 24, 2007

When you start bashing the next American president, beginning in January 2009, you are going to be reminded of this post, and of your theory that president-bashing is tantamount to treason.

[lastdance4]

Off Topic : More Immunity Grants from the State Department

French prosecutors throw out Rumsfeld torture case
Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:27pm EST
PARIS (Reuters)

PARIS (Reuters) - The Paris prosecutors'' office has dismissed a suit against Donald Rumsfeld accusing the former U.S. defense secretary of torture, human rights groups who brought the case said on Friday.

The plaintiffs, who included the French-based International Federation of Human Rights Leagues
(FIDH) and the U.S. Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR), said Rumsfeld had authorized interrogation techniques that led to rights abuses.

Former prisoners at the U.S. detention camp in Guantanamo Bay are suing Rumsfeld and 10 military commanders, alleging torture and violations of their religious rights during their detention there.

The FIDH said it had received a letter from the prosecutors'' office ruling that Rumsfeld benefited from a "customary" immunity from prosecution granted to heads of state and government and foreign inisters, even after they left office.

It said in a statement it was "astonished at such a mistaken argument" and said customary immunity from prosecution did not exist under international law.

The Abu Ghraib jail in Iraq hit the headlines in April 2004 when details of physical abuse and sexual humiliation of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. soldiers were made public

The CCR and FIDH filed suits in Germany in 2004 and 2006 in an attempt to have Rumsfeld tried for rights abuses.

[oleander8]

Too bad all these ''retired'' generals didn''t come out against the war BEFORE they retired...but they didn''t want to jeopardize their cushy pensions. Shame on them.

[marcpcbs]

If were going to outline a timetable for the conclusion of the Iraqi war we need to make sure we get a copy of it to the terrorist''s cause there going to use it to make sure that individual freedom and safety for women never take a foot hold in Iraq.

I''m not sure how much of a conservative I am but I have always been amazed by the way liberals will fight for their right to play with matches in a room full of dynamite.

[alanrobisch]

Major imbalance and frustration my fellow Americans is where we stand today thanks entirely to the poor judgment of George Bush and his fellow pseudo-republican cronies in our current government.

RonPaul4All.com




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Posted by macusweil at 12:43 PM : Nov 24, 2007
+ report abuse

hey gus i think you forgot vietnam and korea. The loss of life in this war as opposed to those wars are miniscule and the errors we made in these wars were major as major as the current one if you consider the loss of life engendered. 60000 men died in each of those wars

[iceman_1960]

"If were going to outline a timetable for the conclusion of the Iraqi war we need to make sure we get a copy of it to the terrorist"s cause there going to use it to make sure that individual freedom and safety for women never take a foot hold in Iraq."
- Posted by marcpcbs at 02:21 PM : Nov 24, 2007

It"s a timetable for handing control over to the Iraqi government. That"s what it"s a timetable for.

We always said we would stand down when they stand up.

By now it should be obvious to all but the brain-dead that they won"t stand up unless we make them.

And an open-ended commitment is not going to do that.

A timetable will.

[marcpcbs]

oleander8

Too bad all these ''''retired'''' generals didn''''t come out against the war BEFORE they retired...but they didn''''t want to jeopardize their cushy pensions. Shame on them.

So True !!!!!

[trillion1]

How dare that general question bush, cheney and the neocons military experence.And would the morons who compare the deaths in Iraq to VietNam please explain how many more have to die before they think there have been enough.

[marcpcbs]

Iceman_1960

I don''t know what you did to your brain cells in 1960 but you don''t seem to have enough of them left to understand what divulging a quit date would do not only for the enemy but also to our own troops.

Think about it.

[iceman_1960]

"hey gus i think you forgot vietnam and korea. The loss of life in this war as opposed to those wars are miniscule and the errors we made in these wars were major as major as the current one if you consider the loss of life engendered. 60000 men died in each of those wars"
- Posted by alanrobisch2 at 02:23 PM : Nov 24, 2007

Those were wars fought against organized Communist armies in countries of much larger populations than Iraq.

Korea has a combined population of almost 80 million, and Vietnam almost 90 million, several times the population of Iraq. And in Korea we were also fighting a massive Chinese force.

Compare the deaths in Iraq to those of a comparable war, like Clinton"s war against the Serbs in Bosnia.

[lastdance4]

RE : oleander8

Too bad all these ''retired'' generals didn''t come out against the war BEFORE they
retired...but they didn''t want to jeopardize their cushy pensions. Shame on them.

So True !!
Posted by marcpcbs at 02:26 PM
___________

You Forget - - At the beginning of the War
Several Generals and Colonels - Did speak up
Rumsfeld Immediately Fired them

That''s why :
" There are No Civilians running the War"
Bush (2007)

Lastdance

[j-whitman]

Iceman_1960,,, There is no war comparible to Iraq

[iceman_1960]

"...what divulging a quit date would do not only for the enemy but also to our own troops."
- Posted by marcpcbs at 02:30 PM : Nov 24, 2007

The enemy already knows the next president will withdraw most of the troops.

The important thing is that our side knows about it. They"ll have to be ready.

You have the typical Welfare State mentality, where you want Big Government in Washington to solve everybody"s problems.

The problems in Iraq are those that Iraqis must solve for themselves, not Big Government in Washington.

Lose that Welfare State mentality. It doesn"t look good on you.

[undermyboot]

"This weekend, we give thanks for the blessings of young Americans like Lt. Michael Murphy, who risk their own lives to keep us safe,", King Bush.

Bush is a coward and traitor who sends American soldiers to their graves to hold power for his Party and his ideology. Bush should be the one sacrificing his life. But he''d never be brave enough to actually fight. What a piece of SH*T.

I doubt Lt. Murphy sacrificed his life so this chickenhawk (whose daddy made sure he only flew around Texas during the Vietnam war) could save the "legacy" of his Presidency. Thank God for Lt. Murphy. May God d*mn GWB to hell.

[iceman_1960]

"There is no war comparible to Iraq"
- Posted by j-whitman at 02:38 PM : Nov 24, 2007

I know. I was responding to the poster who was trying to justify an open ended commitment in Iraq by citing Korea and Vietnam as much worse in terms of American casualties.

[iceman_1960]

"While we were enjoying our Thanksgiving turkeys, tens of thousands of these men and women were on the job," Bush said."

I swear Bush just repeats the lame words his handlers write for him.

Bush is the ultimate example of the empty suit.

Marine Sergeant Ty Ziegel is the man whose family Bush should have spent Thanksgiving with:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/11/15/wounded.marine/index.html

[iceman_1960]

Those troops in Iraq should be redeployed to patrol America"s big cities, where, as one right winger after another (including "One_American" recently) has pointed out, the dangers of violence are much greater than in Baghdad.

If the Iraqi government is given a timetable, and they can"t handle the situation then, it"s on them, entirely, and we will have left with honor.

There"s no excuse after all the training and equipment we"ve given them, for them not to defend their own country themselves, the way the Israelis defend theirs.

[b-easy63]

Are there any retired generals that DON''T sign up against the war AFTER they are no longer under Bush''s thumb? It appears that no one is for this war unless their paycheck is tied to it. What a way to sacrifice human life--for a buck and a pension.

[pelosisaho1]

figures from a guy named ricardo - who was part and parcel of the pre-"surge" failures...

Send this guy to Mexico where he belongs. We can keep that ILLEGAL who saved the kid instead. Sanchez can become one of Calderon''s advisers on ILLEGALS - he''d probably push them across the border himself if he had the chance - just as he allowed the scores of terrorists to cross into Iraq from Syria.

Pathetic - just another loser courtesy of "affirmative action" and the Lib''s guilt trips.

[pelosisaho1]

Ahhh, nice to see iceboy aka coward puss and trillion, undermyswastika, and a few other of the Neo-Nazi Non-Servers screeching as usual. Yep, Ricardo aka Jose Jimenez would be a great poster child for the moveon.orgies

One, he''s Hispanic, and probably a Lib who supports "open borders".

Two, he was fairly incompetent.

If Bush can be fault for anything wrong in Iraq, it was to retain Generals like Ricky Ricardo and Abbasid just because they were ethnic.

It''s experience, stupid - not affirmative action.

Never heard Ricky Ricardo demand a "surge" or change in strategy - just now, so he can satisfy his not-exactly-new friends from MoveOn.Org and his new boss, Harold Reid, aka gutless wonder who wants us to surrender.

E Tu Ricardo? Or should we start saying betray us for your name?

[mbievtea]

When someone reaches the level that a general has reached in their profession, knowing when to say nothing should be routine. Here is a general -- a general who did not do as well as the current General Petreaus (sp) -- insisting that the only way in Iraq is to leave. Well, General Sanchez you had your chance and you failed ... so it''s time to shut-up! You owe it to your profession and your soldiers.

[alanrobisch]

Compare the deaths in Iraq to those of a comparable war, like Clinton"s war against the Serbs in Bosnia.


Posted by Iceman_1960 at 02:35 PM : Nov 24, 2007

You mean the one in which Clinton sent no soldiers into battle and simply bombed with no noticeable defense. You may also have forgotten that in Korea we were twice forced to retreat over large areas and we made the mistake of assuming that the Chinese would not involve itself. We also had too few men on the Yalu river and the result was that many people died unnecessarily. No Truman did not cover himself in glory in that war. I do not claim that bush has in this war but extreme venom poured on Bush should be placed in an historical context

[walt1944-2009]

The Great Emperor Bush II is unconcerned about criticisms directed at his waging of the wars "against terrrrrorism" in Iraq and Afghanistan by former military men who are now "retired" and are now able to speak freely without repurcussions by the Great Emperor or his military "geniuses".

The Great Emperor, whom many Fascist stupidly loyal neocons compare with another President George who was a military general during the Revolutionary War, feels that "staying the course" is the only way to victory over those children and civilians in Iraq being recruited by Al Qeada and being mowed down by Blackwater USSA troops.

The evil, cowardly Democrats, who also compare the Great Emperor with another George who was King of England during the Revolutionary War, believe that those "phoney soldiers" (as described by that great military analyst, Rush Limbaugh) are telling it exactly like it is, having been there and done that!

As stated, however, the Great Emperor Bush II will continue to "stay the course" and demand money to "support the troops" instead of really supporting the troops by bringing them back home to the lives they had before!

SIG HEIL, BUSH!!!

[pelosisaho1]

mbievtea,

I couldn''t say it better myself. This guy Sanchez is pathetic. If he didn''t like the way things were, he should have spoken up or resigned.

But hey, its much better selling out your soul to those who''d betray the troops, isn''t it, Ricardo?

[pelosisaho1]

Dear Walt1944,

Nice Little Naziboy - when are you going to that cave in Afghanistan to be with your fuhrer''s grandson?

Don''t you think it is about time, you brain dead Nazi coward?

Don''t forget to scream "Sieg Heil" when we kick your pink, gutless a^hole out the door, little boy Walther.

[pelosisaho1]

I''m always amused by Nazi cowards like Walther. He, like fellow Ga-ye Nazi Keith Olber-MANN know how to spew their hate America, and hate the troops manure - or label those who truly believe in Freedom and Security exactly what they are.

NAZIS.

But what else can gutless, brain dead little Nazi boys do - except maybe sip their toilet water and cry mommy - in their case, Bin Laden.

Walt has never been in a combat zone outside of that computer game fantasy where he thinks the Nazis will be victorious on D-Day. A coward, a screamer, a loser.

Just like Iceboy, Lastdunce, and the other moveon.org "girlyboys"...

[iceman_1960]

"Just like Iceboy, Lastdunce, and the other moveon.org "girlyboys"..."
- Posted by Pelosisaho1 at 03:27 PM : Nov 24, 2007

I thought I had you locked up in Leavenworth.

What are you doing here ?

[geezer62]

I have been reading posts from this American-One nut job for quite some time now and I have yet to read something written by him that had any relavance or value at all. What appears here today is an insult to any patrotic American who has the ability to think for him or herself. His posts are nothing more than a reguratation of what he has heard from Limbaugh or Hannity who are nothing but hacks for the bush administration. This guy is less significant than a flea on an elephant''s azz. Just ignore him and maybe he''ll go away. I''m sure he''ll do away with himself in Jan. 09 rather live in a country with a real president.

[the74blaster]

Interesting! The GOP senators want to block voting on an Iraq bill. I wonder if they want to bring up the nuclear option now that they are a minority. My only comment is whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

However, I suppose they should use it until we vote in enough democrats so they cannot use the filabuster starting in 2008.

As far as the generals comments go, its another point of view for us to consider.

However, given Bushs track record for telling us the truth I would believe Ricardo Sanchez.

[johngress]

To Pelosisaho (aka Ivotedforbushandi%u2019manidiot)
Before you insult an entire ethnic group, you might want to think back to who your Moron %u2013in Chief Bush hired as his Attorney General. I can tell you that General Sanchez speaks for the MAJORITY of Americans. We are sick of patriotism pandering neocons with their hollow chants of %u201Cstay the course%u201D. Everything that was said leading up to the invasion of Iraq was a lie. And why should we continue to lose our brave men and women when the leaders in Iraq cannot even get their country back on track. It%u2019s time to cut our losses, and bring our troops home. This war was based on a flawed and failed strategy from the beginning and we can no longer afford its cost in lives and money.

[iceman_1960]

"You mean the one in which Clinton sent no soldiers into battle and simply bombed with no noticeable defense."
- Posted by alanrobisch2 at 03:20 PM : Nov 24, 2007

Yeah, that one. (The Serbs did have missiles.)

The one that ended in a few months with a "Mission Accomplished" that really was a Mission Accomplished.

Not like Iraq, for which, four years after it began, war lovers are trying to spin a temporary lull in the fighting as another VE-Day.

The Balkans are now a thriving tourist destination, by the way, particularly for the winter skiing.

If you google "Iraqi tourism," I"m sure you can find some real bargains there for yourself and your family.

[iceman_1960]

Tourism in Bosnia is booming:

"The images challenge Western perceptions of a war-ravaged, brutal and hostile land, projecting instead peaceful beauty and generous hospitality...Bosnia''s tourist arrivals in the first four months of 2007 were almost 20 percent higher than the same period last year and a World Tourism Organization study predicted the Balkan nation would have the third highest growth rate in the world by 2020." (*)

Iraqi tourism? Not for the faint-hearted. Bush himself was too scared to visit the troops over Thanksgiving.

(*) Source:

http://features.us.reuters.com/destinations/news/L20239376.html

[baghdadshere]

Here comes that coward ex-general again...

[pelosisaho1]

gmanj

you don''t like it here, mechista, kindly renounce your citizenship and go home. Sooner an ILLEGAL who wants to be an American and is willing to learn English than a Fascist stupidito like you.

[iceman_1960]

RE: Posts by Pelosisaho1

Shut your h*omo mouth.

There aren"t any real Nazis in America.

If there were, you wouldn"t be insulting them. You"d be running like h*ell.

[pelosisaho1]

Typical Iceboy...

The mission was NEVER accomplished in Kosovo - NOT at all, unless bringing in Albanian rapists, thugs, pimps and qaedists - and to deflect an Impeachment was the MISSION.

The Serbs had missiles, yes, but guess why they didn''t use them, stupid.

THEY DIDN''T WANT TO KILL AMERICANS.

Unlike your Islamonazi friends.

Serbia was an ally - even after we betrayed them in World War II. I don''t think they will be too friendly to Americans in the future, especially if we force them to turn over what was their own province.

No justification to go into Kosovo whatsoever. None. Nada. Except Pervert, having lied through his teeth, and being too much of a coward to deal with Bin Laden had to attack someone.

What''s next for the MoveOn. Nazis? Since it was ok to march into Kosovo, then let''s give the Palestinians Judea-Samaria next, right. Only problem is, the Israelis despite Olmert will fight.

But hey, plenty of Nazi cowards like Icepuss to go over there, right?

[pelosisaho1]

Baghdadshere,

Well, said - that''s all ricky ricardo ever was...

I''m surprised, well, maybe not surprised, that the moveon.org nazis aren''t labelling him - but after all, he does dance to their tune.

Just like Icenazi.

[pelosisaho1]

Ricky Ricardo reminds me of a teacher I knew - he looked just like him, had 8th graders, and could never keep them under control. Probably didn''t teach them much either.

[speakinup]

Wasn''t this the general that was getting so many people killed in Iraq and was replaced by Petreaus ?

I''m thinking he can''t be feeling good about loosing all of those lives and not accomplishing much - and along comes this General that proves there was a better way.

Any thought about Retired Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez doing what he can to discredit someone making him look so bad ?