LOS ANGELES, Nov. 19, 2007

Caregivers Rise To The Challenge

34M Americans Care For Older Relatives, Many Dipping Into Savings To Make Ends Meet

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    As the population ages, baby boomers are finding themselves caring for elderly, often ailing, parents, a burden than can strain the emotions and the finances. Sandra Hughes reports.

  • An estimated 34 million Americans care for loved ones age 50 and over. A just-released healthcare study of a thousand caregivers finds half of them are spending more than 10 percent of their income on it. Photo

    An estimated 34 million Americans care for loved ones age 50 and over. A just-released healthcare study of a thousand caregivers finds half of them are spending more than 10 percent of their income on it.  (CBS)

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(CBS)  When we first met Maryann Winchell, she was struggling to care for her aging parents, shuttling daily between her home and theirs, reports CBS News correspondent Sandra Hughes.

Nine months later, the situation is deteriorating. Her mother's rheumatoid arthritis is worse and so is her father's dementia. Caretaking costs have gone up $500 a month.

"Because of our finances, we are moving them with us, because it is a hardship having them live somewhere else," said Winchell.

Maryann's husband, Stacy, has taken on even more work as a nurse practitioner, going six days a week to help pay the bills.

Winchell's family may be America's new norm. An estimated 34 million Americans care for loved ones age 50 and over.

A just-released healthcare study of a thousand caregivers finds half of them are spending more than 10 percent of their income on it. One in three used some of their savings to cover costs.

Just like the Winchells.

When asked if they had any savings put away for their own retirement, Stacy Winchell said, "No and I don't foresee that at this point in time that there will be any retirement."

People in the study said they cut back spending on leisure activities and saved less or not at all for their children's future.

Last winter Danny was only dreaming of going to college. The family took out a huge loan to send him.

Probably most significant for caregivers is the squeeze on their time. One person in the study said: "Time is the most expensive commodity I provide but it has no price tag."

Caretakers in the study spent on average 35 hours a week caring for their loved ones. And more than half of them said they did not work. A third said they had quit their jobs or reduced their work hours.

"Thirty-seven percent are actually saying they're more depressed over the situation," said Sherri Snelling of Evercare. "Sixty-five percent are saying they have a lot more stress and anxiety."

Still, most caregivers do it willingly.

"I have to be there for them," Winchell said. "I feel like I have to be there for them."

But without her own financial cushion, it might be her own children who have to be there for her, when the time comes.

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by shanev137 November 19, 2007 7:07 PM PST
...while we spend a trillion dollars losing an illegal war in the middle east, that made oil price go to $100 a barrel.
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by a8151947 November 19, 2007 7:20 PM PST
no kidding
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by usayesterday November 19, 2007 7:43 PM PST
When the babyboomers begin to get into their 80s and older, their children will mostly not have the financial means to care for their parents and themselves at the same time.

For the Gen X''ers (upper 20''s to upper 30''s), it is hard enough to just keep a roof over OUR heads, food on the table and a working car in the garage.

...oh yeah, and our mortgage bills, gas bill, and healthcare premiums just went up again!


Mom, Dad...

...I''ll sleep on the couch, but I hope you don''t mind sharing the bathroom. My one bedroom condo is all I could afford on my $35,000 salary!

Thank you corporate America!......... (you ********).
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by usayesterday November 19, 2007 7:57 PM PST
Mom, Dad...

...hopefully, if or when your health begins to suffer, your Medicare (if it still exists) will be a big help in paying for some care taker to help you during the day while I toil away at my job (for however long that lasts).

If Medicare doesn''t come through, I''ll just have to hire an illegal immigrant named "Margarita"... you know... like the rich folk in Hollywood do. She will take care of you during the day while I work.

Dad, if only your (Enron/World Com/etc.) retirement savings and pension still existed. Your lives, in your final years, would have been so much better.


Thank you corporate America!..........(you ********)
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by usayesterday November 19, 2007 8:10 PM PST
Mom, Dad...

...Don''t worry, I know your job at McHardees Junior ''n the Box and TargetMart seem degrading to you at your age (70''ish), but new laws require employers to be more accommodating to senior citizen employees (yeah right).

This may seem morbid, but if you''re lucky, at any given time, a big heart attack will strike you and your pain will only be minimal and last only seconds. You clock in at your remedial, pedestrian job... and you clock out somewhere close to the store''s main entrance. This way, you won''t have to suffer for years either losing your memory or losing the use of your muscles and/or joints.

This is the way I''m looking forward to leaving this earth when I am in my 70s or 80s... while working at a similar remedial job as both of you are doing now. Clearly, a "retirement" is no longer in my future outlook (and basically erased from my vocabulary).

But either way, we will all have to take care of each other till the bitter end, in this 21st century.


Thank you corporate America!..........(you ********)
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by gkc99 November 19, 2007 8:20 PM PST
Guess the only solution is not to live too long--but before you end it all, send a Repugniscum on ahead to light the way to hell for you! Guess that could be another solution!
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by feelfree1 November 19, 2007 8:27 PM PST

Unrelated-

"Nearly 300 CBS News writers who belong to the Writers Guild of America have voted to authorize a strike against the network..."

Does anyone think that their absense will be detectable?
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by usayesterday November 19, 2007 8:37 PM PST
Does anyone think that their absense will be detectable?

Posted by FeelFree1 at 08:27 PM : Nov 19, 2007
...........

Probably not FeelFree,

But if all the CBSnews.com web designers/managers walked out...

...they''d probably have to hire $2/hour engineers from India to take over.

Oh wait....

...they already have!
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by facts6 November 19, 2007 8:46 PM PST
I retired once for 6 years, went sailing in the eastern caribbean. even that got boring, so went back to work.
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by imaok1 November 19, 2007 8:52 PM PST
Oh boo hoo. What percentage of your parent''s income do you think they spend on raising you? I think 10% of your income is a fair price to pay for all that they sacrificed for you. And if you raise your children right, they will do the same for you.

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by feelfree1 November 19, 2007 8:54 PM PST

USAyesterday at 08:37 PM,

Nice.
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by starleo146 November 19, 2007 9:16 PM PST
Posted by imaok1 at 08:52 PM : Nov 19, 2007

I think we are the only country that just treat the elderly like with no respect. What wouldn''t your parents do for you if you needed it. Give the elderly a little respect our government doesn''t.
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by donbl1 November 19, 2007 9:26 PM PST
Starleo,

It probably depends on where you live.

Where I live, a very nice assisted living facility runs about $4K+/month with a $200K bond returned at death.

In small towns to the north, a very nice assisted living costs $1,800/month with no bond and no contract........ Fortunately, parents do not like to move and they enjoy the small town to the north.

Medicare in the small town is excellent and pays for nearly everything. Here, all doctors do not accept medicare.

Depends on where you live. BTW, rule of thumb is if you have $1.5M of net worth, do not get long term care insurance.
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by earlyprophet November 19, 2007 9:33 PM PST
HOPE FOR AMERICA: PRESIDENT RON PAUL

-- No more meddling in other country''s political affairs
-- No more aggressive military actions overseas
-- No more torture prisons
-- No more pseudo-wars like the "War on Drugs"
-- No more IRS and unconstitutional income taxes
-- No more Federal Reserve (the group of private banks which owns our government)
-- No more erosion of Social Security to pay for militarization
-- No more U.N. (one world government) participation
-- No more NAFTA, CAFTA, WTO or GATT (globalist trade cartels)
-- No more North American Union (loss of U.S. sovereignty)
-- No more federal gun control laws
-- No more illegal aliens pouring-in over our country''s borders
-- No more illegal aliens allowed to roam freely in our streets
-- No more national ID cards (Real ID Act)
-- No more government invasion of your privacy
-- No more federal Laws which force you to take unwanted injections
-- No more federal Laws which are not authorized by The Constitution
-- No more federal erosion of State sovereignty
-- No more unlimited federal government

They don''t call him "Dr. No" for no reason. The Doctor is in! Find-out what CBS hides from you, and join us in this 21st Century political revolution at ronpaul2008.com

"Those who expect to reap the blessing of freedom must undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
- Thomas Paine

"Ron Paul doesn''t represent your Father''s school of political thought. He represents your Founding Fathers."
- Me
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by earlyprophet November 19, 2007 9:38 PM PST
RON PAUL FIGHTS BIG PHARMA
People have gotten wise to the fact that vaccines are contaminated with DNA fragments, viruses, fungus, mercury, and a cocktail of other poisonous toxins. Fleets of reputable studies have been published globally detailing the wide swaths of destruction caused by vaccines, including autism. So, now the establishment is on the offensive, attempting to bully us into submission. Big Pharma is one of the biggest businesses in the world. It is among the top three purchasers of advertisement in print, TV and radio. Thay have major pull. President Bush recently vetoed a Bill which would have forced Big Pharma to remove mercury from vaccines. If that''s not bad enough, parts of the so-called Patriot Act contains provisions that essentialy removes the spectre of civil liability against Big Pharma with respect to vaccines. This was done under the quise of protecting Big Pharma in case they had to quickly develop a vaccine to combat some form of biological terrorism. No other candidate understands health issues as well as Ron Paul does. He not only supported the Bill which would have removed mercury from our vaccines, he voted against the Patriot Act as well. Dr. Paul., an OB/GYN physician, who has delivered over 4,000 babies, has been the national leader in preserving our Health Freedom. He feels that Americans are justifiably concerned over the government''s escalating intervention into our freedom to choose what we eat and how we take care of our health.
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by chad55555 November 19, 2007 9:40 PM PST
GOD PLEASE LET ME DIE before I have to live with my children,I have been a POW in war and living with your children can be a fate worse then hell. CHLIDREN HAVE CHANGED THEY ARE MEAN NOW DAYS.
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by earlyprophet November 19, 2007 9:41 PM PST
WERE HAVING A TEA PARTY! YOU''RE INVITED
As we all know, freedom isn''t free in this country. Therefore, in the wake of our successful fundraising event of November 5th, in which we all came together to raise $4.2 million dollars for Ron Paul''s campaign, we''ve set yet another date for an even bigger fundraiser. This one will take place during on December 16th: a very important date for people who love freedom and hate tyranny to ring the Liberty Bell, and let our sold-out, globalist, political ****** and their mainstream media enablers know that good Americans are mad as hell, and that we''re not going to take it anymore. December 16th is the 224th aniversary of The Boston Tea Party: an act of protest by the American colonists against the tyranny of Great Britain where the Sons of Liberty boarded British ships and dumped crates of tea overboard into Boston Harbor. It was a key event which helped to spark the American Revolution, and we hope this event will, likewise, add additional spark to our own 21st Century political revolution to restore peace, prosperity and freedom to our Republic by helping elect a President whose record of adherance to The Constitution is unmatched by anyone in American politics. Please join us this December 16th for the largest one-day political donation event in history. Our goal is to bring together 100,000 people to donate $100 each, creating a one day donation total of $10,000,000. The time to act is now. The time for Ron Paul is NOW! TeaParty07.com
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by earlyprophet November 19, 2007 9:44 PM PST
DR RON PAUL UNDERSTANDS HEALTH CARE
Dr. Ron Paul., an OB/GYN physician, has been the national leader in preserving our Health Freedom. He feels that Americans are justifiably concerned over the government''s escalating intervention into their freedom to choose what they eat and how they take care of their health. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA), in order to comply with standards dictated by supra-national organizations such as the UN''s World Food Code (CODEX), NAFTA, and CAFTA, has been assuming greater control over nutrients, vitamins and natural health care providers to restrict your right to choose the manner in which you manage your health and nutritional needs. He introduced the Health Freedom Protection Act, HR 2117, to ensure Americans can receive truthful health information about supplements and natural remedies. He supports the Access to Medical Treatment Act, H.R. 2717, which expands the ability of Americans to use alternative medicine and new treatments. He opposes legislation that increases the FDA''s legal powers. The FDA has consistently failed to protect the public from dangerous drugs, genetically modified foods, dangerous pesticides and other chemicals in the food supply. Meanwhile, they waste public funds attacking safe, healthy foods and dietary supplements. He also opposed the Homeland Security Bill, which, in section 304, authorizes the forced vaccination of American citizens. The government should never have that kind of power. Vote YES for Dr. No.
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by usayesterday November 19, 2007 10:03 PM PST

Depends on where you live. BTW, rule of thumb is if you have $1.5M of net worth, do not get long term care insurance.

Posted by donbl1 at 09:26 PM : Nov 19, 2007
..............

Good advice.

And the location, location, location, makes a big difference in the money, money, money, one would spend for their senior living needs!

In the San Francisco Bay Area region, $4,000 a month for a quality assisted living facility is the norm. A 3 hour drive North to the Redding area (above Sacramento) and the monthly cost for a quality facility is around $2,500 to $3,000 a month.

(Just like you said in your post).
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by ssm9451 November 19, 2007 10:06 PM PST
~USAYesterday~ You''ve hit the nail on it''s head, with your statements. Totally agree. How much more of the BS can hard working, true Americans put up with?
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by usayesterday November 19, 2007 10:09 PM PST
EarlyProphet:

Are you going to keep this bull ****** up all the way throughout the primaries?! Months and months of this krappola has got to stop.

Your spam is making me want to take a trip to visit the Ron Paul headquarters and....
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by ssm9451 November 19, 2007 10:12 PM PST
Maybe ''crossin'' over to the other side'', is better than one realizes. I would never go live with my child. I''d live in a tent first.
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by donbl1 November 19, 2007 10:12 PM PST
Daughter said I could live up stairs "when".... my wife said I might not get stairs to come down......
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by earlyprophet November 19, 2007 10:44 PM PST
RON PAUL IS THE NEW WAY
What we need is a President who will show us the way. Not the old way. Not the same way, but a NEW way. Think about this for a minute. What if we pulled all of our troops out of South Korea? They''ve been there for 50+ years. What if we quit worrying about Iran, but instead, realized that its having a nuclear weapon will not mean the end of the world? What if we pulled all of our troops out of the Middle-East, and brought them all home? What if we realistically addressed the National Debt, and paid attention to REALLY DOING SOMETHING about stopping illegal immigration? These are the ideas of Presidential candidate, Ron Paul. He''s a ten term Congressman and a physician who has delivered over 4,000 babies. He''s an intellectual who''s published four books, three of which are devoted entirely to sound economics and one to foreign policy. He was raised on a dairy farm in Pennsylvania as a pious Lutheran, but now he attends a Baptist church. Paul is given to mulling things over morally. Whenever he recollects the helicopter pilots he treated as an Air Force Flight Surgeon (Captain) during the Vietnam War, a war which he now says was "totally unnecessary and illegal," he laments, "They were gung-ho. I''ve often thought about how many of those people never came back." Candidates with the high level of personal integrity and proven track record of adherence to The Constitution, Congressman Paul has always demonstrated only come around once in a lifetime, if we''re lucky.
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by hungry1968 November 19, 2007 10:50 PM PST
EarlyProphet:



Do you really think that by spamming and bombing the boards with all of your mindless posts, (much like lars does), that we are really going to vote for Ron Paul?!?!?

I''''m purposely NOT going to vote for him just because of people like you!!!!
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by usayesterday November 19, 2007 10:51 PM PST
www.narms.com

(National Association of Retail Merchandisers)

narms.com (it is not a union and it costs nothing)

It''s a great place to find that part time job for supplemental income or for retirees who want to keep their bodies and their minds moving. $10 to $15 an hour on average, and you don''t have to be degraded by some 20-something punk-a$$ retail manager telling you to go sweep the floors! You can make your own schedule every week and meet a lot of new people in the process while making a decent chunk of change in the process.

I am not retired, but I do this work regularly and it is great. Far better than straight McRetail work!
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by donbl1 November 19, 2007 11:01 PM PST
USA, good thoughts.

Careers are made up of a lot of things but a big part is luck and saving money is the resultant: good companies, economy, healthy kids and wife, health, consistent work and being in the right place at the right time for promotions. Savings can result if you have that kind of luck.

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by donbl1 November 19, 2007 11:03 PM PST
USA,

And, if somewhere along the line you made a plan, it seems to work out. 15 years ago, a peer and I did the math together on a golf trip and set the target.

The plan for the last 15 years is the one that counts.
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by goldesprit November 20, 2007 12:17 AM PST
Go rent the film Sicko (avail at blockbuster right now)

Guess what? Someone needs to stop trumpening the wonders of REPUBLICANS--including MR. Paul.

Every news story is not about him, ninny.
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by alphaa10-2009 November 20, 2007 12:41 AM PST
About "Early Prophet"-- this is a Ron Paul booster who writes under the name "KJVProphet", "NYCProphet", "NextProphet" and now, "Early Prophet") Is this guy searching desperately for a catchy name to justify his cause? Perhaps he works for an ad agency, where changing brands is believed equivalent to changing content?
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NYCProphet saith, "This is the vision of Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, and their fellow members of The Bilderberg Group..."
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Speaking of outdated, ineffective paradigms, you omit the bulk of damning, recent history with Bush. It so happens the neocon circles about Bush Sr. and Jr. are rife with Trilateralists. Bush, Sr. was often seen at apparent Trilateralist affairs. Bush, Jr., rubbed sh oulders with them at Davos, Switzerland.

The question arises, if you are worried about global domination by a single elite, where has your voice been during the past six years of neocon madness under Son of Bush-- substituting a Pax Americana at bayonet point for the New World Order of his father?
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by alphaa10-2009 November 20, 2007 12:42 AM PST
"Early Prophet" (AKA "KJVProphet", "NYCProphet", "NextProphet") saith, "Ron Paul does not represent your Father''s school of political thought. He represents your Founding Fathers."
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Nice try, but not true. The Founders were largely Deists, who believed, for example, that a perfect God needs no prayer from us to guide His perfect will. Deists, therefore, do not endorse prayerful intercession, either.

The Constitution, itself, makes little mention of God, except to prevent establishment of religion. This was understandable, following England''s experience with religious civil war about 150 years before.

Paul is "not your father''s school of political thought"? Certainly not-- my father has the intelligence to see through blarney when he hears it. Paul is merely Ayn Rand''s meager take on civilization, which is to say, a spoonful
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by radiob-2009 November 20, 2007 12:48 AM PST
My Father lived on his own up until he was 75 and then he had a trans schematic attack (a minor stroke)and then he moved in with my family. He quickly went down hill, with more TSA''s and emphezemia and had to be placed in a nursing home with the option of returning to us if he improved. Dad did not improve and multiple trips to the hospital, pneumonia more TSA''s this continued for five long years. My father had accumulated some wealth in his life and had a nice pension from GM along with insurance which was supposed to last him for the rest of his life (they did not inform him of the spending cap) yet the bills continued to mount and his life savings that he had worked so hard for and invested so much in continued to dwindle. By the time my father passed away in 2000 at the age of 80 his total cost of care was over 2 million dollars. I am fortunate that he had the money to pay for it others are not so fortunate and would not receive the care my father was given. This issue cuts many ways it is both a emotional issue for the children and a financial one as well. My Mother is 91, has alzheimer''s and my sister and I have shared caring for her. Fortunately the cost has been minimum financially however the real cost of this is watching those that we love slowly slip away physically and mentally.
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by alphaa10-2009 November 20, 2007 12:49 AM PST
Is Ron Paul the antidote to Bush? Better consider Paul''s attitude to democratic government, first.

Paul boosters struggle to find his positive points, because Paul is basically a Bush Republican who never endorsed all the neocon globalist thinking and money driving Bush. By any standard, this is only damnation by faint praise.

And while Bush and Paul differ here and there on foreign affairs, their policies at home are much closer.

Both Bush and Paul follow the Grover Norquist view that government is the problem. But like most Bush slogans, that doesn''t describe America or its challenges.

Both Bush and Paul are cheerleaders for lessez faire-- the policy that brought us everything from Enron to the still rampaging mortgage bust on Wall Street.

For example, it was private sector incompetence, not governmental health insurance which left America behind Cuba in infant mortality, which makes us pay 2.5 times more for healthcare than the EU, and with 47 million of us medically uninsured as "subprime" risks.

For another, it was a $40 billion private sector mortgage fiasco that dropped the DOW 250 points and left 650,000 Americans foreclosed out of their own homes.

Private sector corruption? A huge glut of no-bid, taxpayer dollars shoved at the private sector left New Orleans mired in waste and faulty construction by Bush cronies-- the city still exposed to the next Katrina.

Ron Paul, by his stated beliefs, endorses more of the same-- and America simply cannot afford another Bush.
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by alphaa10-2009 November 20, 2007 12:54 AM PST
America needs a single-payer, comprehensive healthcare system.

Most Americans polled want a better arrangement than our so-called private sector has devised.

The HMO experiment is a failure, with people paying 2.5 times what those in the UK pay. Our rank in infant mortality falls behind Cuba, and over 47 million Americans are simply written off as "subprime" medical
risks-- that is, it might cost medical insurance companies too much, so they simply refuse to insure them.

The private sector has doodled with the health of America''s seniors far too long under the indulgent politics of George Bush, and now it is time to recognize HMOs and their ilk for what they are-- HMOs were designed to protect the insurance companies from expense-- not to provide healthcare.
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by rudy654-2009 November 20, 2007 1:02 AM PST
Early Prophet is a perfect example of what happens when people don''t get the health care they need. They end up in the streets or in front of someone''s computer all bloody day long spamming the rest of normal society.
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by earlyprophet November 20, 2007 1:39 AM PST
RON PAUL WINS NATIONAL ZOGBY POLL
The results of a nationwide telephone poll, announced by Zogby on November 19th, reveals that a sizeable majority of Americans are looking to vote for a candidate who protects liberty; who wants to shrink government; and who wants to immediately withdraw our troops from Iraq - all positions taken by Texas Congressman Ron Paul. As part of a blind, spread poll commissioned by Jones Productions, respondents were provided with descriptions of four different candidates and asked to choose who they would vote for based on each one''s attributes and political platform. 32.8% of pollees chose Ron Paul, 18.6% chose Rudy Giuliani, 12.6% chose Fred Thompson, while only 15.1% chose Mitt Romney. The results clearly illustrate that the country is crying out for Ron Paul, which is why mainstream media has launched a PR offensive to marginalize his campaign accomplishments and suppress the Congressman''s name recognition. The sample used for the poll had mainly never or rarely used Web sites popular with Ron Paul supporters, such as You Tube, MySpace and Facebook, showing that if those types of Internet users had been more fairly represented, the numbers would be even more in favor of the Congressman. In a seperate question, over 49% of pollees said they would be more likely to vote for a candidate who would begin an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. Zogby indicated that, due to the high level of interest in the poll, they will be issuing a press release on Nov 20th.
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by earlyprophet November 20, 2007 1:41 AM PST
RON PAUL WILL PRESERVE SOCIAL SECURITY
Our nation''s promise to its seniors, once considered a sacred trust, has become little more than a tool for politicians to scare retirees while robbing them of their promised benefits to pay for militarization. Today, the Social Security system is both broke and broken. Those in the system are seeing their benefits dwindle due to higher taxes, increasing inflation, and irresponsible military spending. The proposed solutions, ranging from lower benefits to higher taxes to increasing the age of eligibility, are NOT solutions; they are betrayals. Imposing any tax on Social Security benefits is unfair and illogical. In Congress, Dr. Paul introduced the Senior Citizens Tax Elimination Act, which repeals ALL taxes on Social Security benefits, to eliminate political theft of our seniors'' income and raise their standard of living. Solvency is the key to keeping our promise to our seniors, and he introduced the Social Security Preservation Act (H.R. 219) to ensure that money paid into the system is ONLY used for Social Security. Also, it is fundamentally unfair to give benefits to anyone who has not paid into the system. The Social Security for Americans Only Act, which Ron Paul supported, ends the drain on Social Security caused by illegal aliens seeking the fruits of your labor. In short, if we stop our runaway military spending overseas, there will be plenty of money available to keep Social Security solvent for decades to come.
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by earlyprophet November 20, 2007 1:42 AM PST
DR RON PAUL UNDERSTANDS HEALTH CARE
Dr. Ron Paul., an OB/GYN physician, has been the national leader in preserving our Health Freedom. He feels that Americans are justifiably concerned over the government''s escalating intervention into their freedom to choose what they eat and how they take care of their health. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA), in order to comply with standards dictated by supra-national organizations such as the UN''s World Food Code (CODEX), NAFTA, and CAFTA, has been assuming greater control over nutrients, vitamins and natural health care providers to restrict your right to choose the manner in which you manage your health and nutritional needs. He introduced the Health Freedom Protection Act, HR 2117, to ensure Americans can receive truthful health information about supplements and natural remedies. He supports the Access to Medical Treatment Act, H.R. 2717, which expands the ability of Americans to use alternative medicine and new treatments. He opposes legislation that increases the FDA''s legal powers. The FDA has consistently failed to protect the public from dangerous drugs, genetically modified foods, dangerous pesticides and other chemicals in the food supply. Meanwhile, they waste public funds attacking safe, healthy foods and dietary supplements. He also opposed the Homeland Security Bill, which, in section 304, authorizes the forced vaccination of American citizens. The government should never have that kind of power. Vote YES for Dr. No.
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by earlyprophet November 20, 2007 1:43 AM PST
WERE HAVING A TEA PARTY! YOU''RE INVITED
As we all know, freedom isn''t free in this country. Therefore, in the wake of our successful fundraising event of November 5th, in which we all came together to raise $4.2 million dollars for Ron Paul''s campaign, we''ve set yet another date for an even bigger fundraiser. This one will take place during on December 16th: a very important date for people who love freedom and hate tyranny to ring the Liberty Bell, and let our sold-out, globalist, political ****** and their mainstream media enablers know that good Americans are mad as hell, and that we''re not going to take it anymore. December 16th is the 224th aniversary of The Boston Tea Party: an act of protest by the American colonists against the tyranny of Great Britain where the Sons of Liberty boarded British ships and dumped crates of tea overboard into Boston Harbor. It was a key event which helped to spark the American Revolution, and we hope this event will, likewise, add additional spark to our own 21st Century political revolution to restore peace, prosperity and freedom to our Republic by helping elect a President whose record of adherance to The Constitution is unmatched by anyone in American politics. Please join us this December 16th for the largest one-day political donation event in history. Our goal is to bring together 100,000 people to donate $100 each, creating a one day donation total of $10,000,000. The time to act is now. The time for Ron Paul is NOW! TeaParty07.com
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by earlyprophet November 20, 2007 1:44 AM PST
RON PAUL FIGHTS BIG PHARMA
People have gotten wise to the fact that vaccines are contaminated with DNA fragments, viruses, fungus, mercury, and a cocktail of other poisonous toxins. Fleets of reputable studies have been published globally detailing the wide swaths of destruction caused by vaccines, including autism. So, now the establishment is on the offensive, attempting to bully us into submission. Big Pharma is one of the biggest businesses in the world. It is among the top three purchasers of advertisement in print, TV and radio. Thay have major pull. President Bush recently vetoed a Bill which would have forced Big Pharma to remove mercury from vaccines. If that''s not bad enough, parts of the so-called Patriot Act contains provisions that essentialy removes the spectre of civil liability against Big Pharma with respect to vaccines. This was done under the quise of protecting Big Pharma in case they had to quickly develop a vaccine to combat some form of biological terrorism. No other candidate understands health issues as well as Ron Paul does. He not only supported the Bill which would have removed mercury from our vaccines, he voted against the Patriot Act as well. Dr. Paul., an OB/GYN physician, who has delivered over 4,000 babies, has been the national leader in preserving our Health Freedom. He feels that Americans are justifiably concerned over the government''s escalating intervention into our freedom to choose what we eat and how we take care of our health.
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by alphaa10-2009 November 20, 2007 1:47 AM PST
LastDance-- I second your motion to clear spam from the CBS forums. The forum administrator-- if there is one-- needs to watch the forums more carefully.

It is easy to recognize spammers-- political or otherwise. Spammers usually do not address the news story preceding the comment section. Instead, they post something completely off the wall, like "Ron Paul for President". In effect, Ron Paul spammers hijack CBS facilities to promote Paul''s candidacy-- which practice alone speaks volumes about the ethics of those posting spam for Ron Paul.

There is another type of poster, however, which an open forum (for responsible speech) must indulge. Bush posters regularly visit CBS with the sole purpose of starting flame wars.

These are GOP trolls, and their prime mission is to hinder discussion of any news in which Bush might be criticized. They seldom succeed, and reveal much more about themselves than they intend-- most of it quite damaging to their cause.
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by alphaa10-2009 November 20, 2007 1:48 AM PST
Is Ron Paul the antidote to Bush? Better consider Paul''s attitude to democratic government, first.

Paul boosters struggle to find his positive points, because Paul is basically a Bush Republican who never endorsed all the neocon globalist thinking and money driving Bush. By any standard, this is only damnation by faint praise.

And while Bush and Paul differ here and there on foreign affairs, their policies at home are much closer.

Both Bush and Paul follow the Grover Norquist view that government is the problem. But like most Bush slogans, that doesn''t describe America or its challenges.

Both Bush and Paul are cheerleaders for lessez faire-- the policy that brought us everything from Enron to the still rampaging mortgage bust on Wall Street.

For example, it was private sector incompetence, not governmental health insurance which left America behind Cuba in infant mortality, which makes us pay 2.5 times more for healthcare than the EU, and with 47 million of us medically uninsured as "subprime" risks.

For another, it was a $40 billion private sector mortgage fiasco that dropped the DOW 250 points and left 650,000 Americans foreclosed out of their own homes.

Private sector corruption? A huge glut of no-bid, taxpayer dollars shoved at the private sector left New Orleans mired in waste and faulty construction by Bush cronies-- the city still exposed to the next Katrina.

Ron Paul, by his stated beliefs, endorses more of the same-- and America simply cannot afford another Bush.
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by alphaa10-2009 November 20, 2007 1:51 AM PST
About "Early Prophet"-- this is a Ron Paul booster who writes under the name "KJVProphet", "NYCProphet", "NextProphet" and now, "Early Prophet") Is this guy searching desperately for a catchy name to justify his cause? Perhaps he works for an ad agency, where changing brands is believed equivalent to changing content?
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NYCProphet saith, "This is the vision of Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, and their fellow members of The Bilderberg Group..."
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Speaking of outdated, ineffective paradigms, you omit the bulk of damning, recent history with Bush. It so happens the neocon circles about Bush Sr. and Jr. are rife with Trilateralists. Bush, Sr. was often seen at apparent Trilateralist affairs. Bush, Jr., rubbed sh oulders with them at Davos, Switzerland.

The question arises, if you are worried about global domination by a single elite, where has your voice been during the past six years of neocon madness under Son of Bush-- substituting a Pax Americana at bayonet point for the New World Order of his father?
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by earlyprophet November 20, 2007 1:52 AM PST
HOPE FOR AMERICA: PRESIDENT RON PAUL

-- No more meddling in other country''s political affairs
-- No more aggressive military actions overseas
-- No more torture prisons
-- No more pseudo-wars like the "War on Drugs"
-- No more IRS and unconstitutional income taxes
-- No more Federal Reserve (the group of private banks which owns our government)
-- No more erosion of Social Security to pay for militarization
-- No more U.N. (one world government) participation
-- No more NAFTA, CAFTA, WTO or GATT (globalist trade cartels)
-- No more North American Union (loss of U.S. sovereignty)
-- No more federal gun control laws
-- No more illegal aliens pouring-in over our country''s borders
-- No more illegal aliens allowed to roam freely in our streets
-- No more national ID cards (Real ID Act)
-- No more government invasion of your privacy
-- No more federal Laws which force you to take unwanted injections
-- No more federal Laws which are not authorized by The Constitution
-- No more federal erosion of State sovereignty
-- No more unlimited federal government

They don''t call him "Dr. No" for no reason. The Doctor is in! Find-out what CBS hides from you, and join us in this 21st Century political revolution at ronpaul2008.com

"Those who expect to reap the blessing of freedom must undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
- Thomas Paine

"Ron Paul doesn''t represent your Father''s school of political thought. He represents your Founding Fathers."
- Me
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by earlyprophet November 20, 2007 1:53 AM PST
RON PAUL WINS NATIONAL ZOGBY POLL
The results of a nationwide telephone poll, announced by Zogby on November 19th, reveals that a sizeable majority of Americans are looking to vote for a candidate who protects liberty; who wants to shrink government; and who wants to immediately withdraw our troops from Iraq - all positions taken by Texas Congressman Ron Paul. As part of a blind, spread poll commissioned by Jones Productions, respondents were provided with descriptions of four different candidates and asked to choose who they would vote for based on each one''s attributes and political platform. 32.8% of pollees chose Ron Paul, 18.6% chose Rudy Giuliani, 12.6% chose Fred Thompson, while only 15.1% chose Mitt Romney. The results clearly illustrate that the country is crying out for Ron Paul, which is why mainstream media has launched a PR offensive to marginalize his campaign accomplishments and suppress the Congressman''s name recognition. The sample used for the poll had mainly never or rarely used Web sites popular with Ron Paul supporters, such as You Tube, MySpace and Facebook, showing that if those types of Internet users had been more fairly represented, the numbers would be even more in favor of the Congressman. In a seperate question, over 49% of pollees said they would be more likely to vote for a candidate who would begin an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. Zogby indicated that, due to the high level of interest in the poll, they will be issuing a press release on Nov 20th.
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by earlyprophet November 20, 2007 1:54 AM PST
RON PAUL WILL PRESERVE SOCIAL SECURITY
Our nation''s promise to its seniors, once considered a sacred trust, has become little more than a tool for politicians to scare retirees while robbing them of their promised benefits to pay for militarization. Today, the Social Security system is both broke and broken. Those in the system are seeing their benefits dwindle due to higher taxes, increasing inflation, and irresponsible military spending. The proposed solutions, ranging from lower benefits to higher taxes to increasing the age of eligibility, are NOT solutions; they are betrayals. Imposing any tax on Social Security benefits is unfair and illogical. In Congress, Dr. Paul introduced the Senior Citizens Tax Elimination Act, which repeals ALL taxes on Social Security benefits, to eliminate political theft of our seniors'' income and raise their standard of living. Solvency is the key to keeping our promise to our seniors, and he introduced the Social Security Preservation Act (H.R. 219) to ensure that money paid into the system is ONLY used for Social Security. Also, it is fundamentally unfair to give benefits to anyone who has not paid into the system. The Social Security for Americans Only Act, which Ron Paul supported, ends the drain on Social Security caused by illegal aliens seeking the fruits of your labor. In short, if we stop our runaway military spending overseas, there will be plenty of money available to keep Social Security solvent for decades to come.
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by earlyprophet November 20, 2007 1:55 AM PST
RON PAUL FIGHTS BIG PHARMA
People have gotten wise to the fact that vaccines are contaminated with DNA fragments, viruses, fungus, mercury, and a cocktail of other poisonous toxins. Fleets of reputable studies have been published globally detailing the wide swaths of destruction caused by vaccines, including autism. So, now the establishment is on the offensive, attempting to bully us into submission. Big Pharma is one of the biggest businesses in the world. It is among the top three purchasers of advertisement in print, TV and radio. Thay have major pull. President Bush recently vetoed a Bill which would have forced Big Pharma to remove mercury from vaccines. If that''s not bad enough, parts of the so-called Patriot Act contains provisions that essentialy removes the spectre of civil liability against Big Pharma with respect to vaccines. This was done under the quise of protecting Big Pharma in case they had to quickly develop a vaccine to combat some form of biological terrorism. No other candidate understands health issues as well as Ron Paul does. He not only supported the Bill which would have removed mercury from our vaccines, he voted against the Patriot Act as well. Dr. Paul., an OB/GYN physician, who has delivered over 4,000 babies, has been the national leader in preserving our Health Freedom. He feels that Americans are justifiably concerned over the government''s escalating intervention into our freedom to choose what we eat and how we take care of our health.
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by earlyprophet November 20, 2007 1:57 AM PST
DR RON PAUL UNDERSTANDS HEALTH CARE
Dr. Ron Paul., an OB/GYN physician, has been the national leader in preserving our Health Freedom. He feels that Americans are justifiably concerned over the government''s escalating intervention into their freedom to choose what they eat and how they take care of their health. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA), in order to comply with standards dictated by supra-national organizations such as the UN''s World Food Code (CODEX), NAFTA, and CAFTA, has been assuming greater control over nutrients, vitamins and natural health care providers to restrict your right to choose the manner in which you manage your health and nutritional needs. He introduced the Health Freedom Protection Act, HR 2117, to ensure Americans can receive truthful health information about supplements and natural remedies. He supports the Access to Medical Treatment Act, H.R. 2717, which expands the ability of Americans to use alternative medicine and new treatments. He opposes legislation that increases the FDA''s legal powers. The FDA has consistently failed to protect the public from dangerous drugs, genetically modified foods, dangerous pesticides and other chemicals in the food supply. Meanwhile, they waste public funds attacking safe, healthy foods and dietary supplements. He also opposed the Homeland Security Bill, which, in section 304, authorizes the forced vaccination of American citizens. The government should never have that kind of power. Vote YES for Dr. No.
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by earlyprophet November 20, 2007 2:00 AM PST
RON PAUL IS THE NEW WAY
What we need is a President who will show us the way. Not the old way. Not the same way, but a NEW way. Think about this for a minute. What if we pulled all of our troops out of South Korea? They''ve been there for 50+ years. What if we quit worrying about Iran, but instead, realized that its having a nuclear weapon will not mean the end of the world? What if we pulled all of our troops out of the Middle-East, and brought them all home? What if we realistically addressed the National Debt, and paid attention to REALLY DOING SOMETHING about stopping illegal immigration? These are the ideas of Presidential candidate, Ron Paul. He''s a ten term Congressman and a physician who has delivered over 4,000 babies. He''s an intellectual who''s published four books, three of which are devoted entirely to sound economics and one to foreign policy. He was raised on a dairy farm in Pennsylvania as a pious Lutheran, but now he attends a Baptist church. Paul is given to mulling things over morally. Whenever he recollects the helicopter pilots he treated as an Air Force Flight Surgeon (Captain) during the Vietnam War, a war which he now says was "totally unnecessary and illegal," he laments, "They were gung-ho. I''ve often thought about how many of those people never came back." Candidates with the high level of personal integrity and proven track record of adherence to The Constitution, Congressman Paul has always demonstrated only come around once in a lifetime, if we''re lucky.
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