Undocumented Shouldn't Mean Uninsured

The New Republic: Leaving Illegal Immigrants Out Of Health Care Only Costs Taxpayers Money

(The New Republic)  This column was written by Ben Crair.

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Last October, Dr. Jack Ludmir, the head of obstetrics and gynecology at Pennsylvania Hospital, oversaw the emergency-room treatment of a young woman who was seven months pregnant, hypertensive, and convulsing. Although her condition was, according to Ludmir, "rarely seen in the United States," his team diagnosed it quickly: She was suffering from eclampsia, a severe pregnancy-related disorder that can lead to premature birth, seizure, stroke, even death.

In this country, the condition is usually caught in its early stage known as pre-eclampsia, which can often be managed with prenatal care; but, with the mother already in the ER, doctors had no choice but to deliver the baby prematurely.

Over the next three months, the newborn was threaded with respiratory tubes while doctors flushed the mother's brain of excess blood three times. "You can't imagine the costs," says Ludmir. For as little as a few hundred dollars worth of prenatal care, he says, this tragedy - and at least $250,000 of medical care - could have been avoided. Unfortunately, this was not an option. The mother was an undocumented immigrant and therefore was ineligible for publicly funded prenatal care in Pennsylvania.

The one health care issue that Republicans and Democrats agree on these days is that illegal immigrants like Ludmir's patients should not have access to publicly funded health care. Republicans see this as a facet of the immigration issue - House Minority Leader John Boehner recently issued a press release charging that providing health care to illegal immigrants "increase[s] the tax burden on American families," while conservative commentators like Michelle Malkin are more naked in their hysteria, warning that the United States is in the midst of becoming "the land of the limit-less health care handout for 'undocumented immigrants.'"

The Democrats, meanwhile, are too cowed by the anti-immigration lobby - and the prospect of losing support for their individual health care plans - to defend the undocumented. Hillary Clinton and John Edwards have already decided to exclude illegal immigrants from their universal-coverage proposals, while Barack Obama has held his tongue on the issue. As a result, doctors such as Ludmir are likely to continue to see undocumented immigrants when their medical situation is most dire - and costly to society.

This isn't the first time that the combination of Republican hostility and Democratic timidity on the immigration issue has adversely shaped policy. In 1996, as part of welfare reform, Republicans insisted on banning legal immigrants from receiving Medicaid and S-CHIP (which assists families that make too much to qualify for Medicaid) for the first five years of their residencies. President Clinton grudgingly agreed to the provision in order to shepherd the welfare-reform bill through Congress.

The Republican argument that cheap public health care was attracting impoverished illegal immigrants into the country has since been called into question: In 2000, a study from Health Affairs found that less than 1 percent of undocumented immigrants "cited obtaining social services as the most important reason for immigrating." But, although its foundation has rotted, the policy still stands, setting the tone of the current debate: If we don't provide publicly funded health care even to some legal immigrants, why extend it to illegal ones?

There are currently 12 million undocumented immigrants in the United States - the majority of whom are uninsured. Among all immigrants, both documented and undocumented, less than 40 percent receive employer-sponsored coverage. The only federal health care program that covers undocumented and newly arrived legal immigrants is known as "emergency Medicaid." Under this program, the government will pay for emergency hospital care for the pregnant, elderly, and disabled, and for children or the parent of a child. (Although what, exactly, qualifies as an "emergency" is ambiguous: The federal government recently informed New York state that it would no longer fund chemotherapy.) Those who do not qualify for emergency Medicaid must pay for their treatment out of pocket, or the hospital must write it off as uncompensated care for which it should eventually be reimbursed, at least in part, by the federal government.

While it is true that the ER expenses of immigrant children are greater than the per capita average, probably because they are sicker when they finally seek care, immigrants tend to spend less money on health care than their U.S.-born counterparts. (One study in the American Journal of Public Health found that, in 1998, the average health care expenditures of a Hispanic immigrant, documented or undocumented, totaled $972. For a white, U.S.-born citizen, they were over $3,000.) Part of the reason for this discrepancy is because immigrants are, on average, younger and healthier than citizens. This would seem to be an argument for keeping the current system rather than expanding coverage, which tends to raise expenses as patients become insulated from the costs of their care. But, although immigrants may arrive in this country healthier, they regress toward the mean, developing many of the chronic conditions, such as heart disease and diabetes, endemic to U.S.-born citizens. They are also aging as a population. As a result, the number of disabled and elderly illegal immigrants is on the rise, and a recent study of North Carolina's emergency Medicaid system found that "[t]he largest spending increases [among the undocumented] ... are occurring among the elderly and disabled groups."

The obvious way to contain these costs is to insure the undocumented, so that they have access to preventive care before they degenerate into the tax siphons conservatives already claim them to be. And there is an additional reason to take this step: public health. Just a few unvaccinated individuals can threaten a whole community, a threat that is particularly acute among the undocumented, since they often work in the food service and agricultural industries. Unfortunately, Democrats continue to conflate the health care issue with the immigration one. Clinton and Edwards claim the health care problem will solve itself after they pass comprehensive immigration reform with a path to citizenship. But this is unlikely to happen anytime soon, and, by the point it does, the benefits of incorporating the undocumented population today, while it's still largely young and healthy, will have expired.

In the regrettable absence of comprehensive federal legislation, there are some smaller, more feasible measures that should be considered. One is to extend publicly funded health care to all legal immigrants. The second is that more states should extend prenatal care to the undocumented. On this front, the federal government has already done its part: In 2002, President Bush expanded s-chip eligibility to fetuses, giving states the option to cover the prenatal care of mothers ineligible for Medicaid, including undocumented immigrants. Disappointingly, most states, including a majority of the so-called "new-growth states" - those states whose immigrant populations grew most quickly in the 1990s - have not accepted the federal government's offer and provided the necessary matching state funds.

This is unfortunate, because there are compelling reasons to do so. A study by researchers in Colorado, a new-growth state, found that only 52 percent of the state's undocumented women received prenatal care during the first trimester, as opposed to 83 percent of all other women. Consequently, 40 percent of undocumented mothers experienced a complication of delivery, as opposed to less than 30 percent of all other mothers. And, beyond the moral imperative, there's an economic one. Researchers in California, the epicenter of undocumented immigration, have estimated that one dollar in prenatal care can save over three dollars in postnatal care. (California, as it happens, is one of the 15 states that provides prenatal care to its undocumented residents.) Prenatal care isn't just a drop in the bucket of spending on the undocumented either: Over 80 percent of emergency Medicaid spending on the undocumented in North Carolina, whose immigrant population nearly quadrupled in the 1990s, was for childbirth and complications of delivery.

Jack Ludmir's patient would certainly have benefited from this limited expansion of preventive health care. Her eclampsia left her partially paralyzed, in poor condition to care for a sickly child - one who, it's worth noting, is a U.S. citizen whose continued care taxpayers must now fund.

[trillion1]

We start taking care of all the sick citizens then I''ll care about some illegal.

[anayeli-2009]

I''ll gladly support prenatal care for illegal immigrants as long as their babies don''t gain "birthright citizenship", the current misinterpretation of the 14th amendment.

[anayeli-2009]

I''ll gladly support prenatal care for illegal immigrants as long as their babies don''t gain "birthright citizenship", the current misinterpretation of the 14th amendment.

[anayeli-2009]

I''ll gladly support prenatal care for illegal immigrants as long as their babies don''t gain "birthright citizenship", the current misinterpretation of the 14th amendment.

[anayeli-2009]

I''ll gladly support prenatal care for illegal immigrants as long as their babies don''t gain "birthright citizenship", the current misinterpretation of the 14th amendment.

[wmb1957]

Prenatal care is not denied to illegal aliens in Pennsylvania. The website for the Pennsylvania Health Law Project has information including several federal programs available. The article does not state how long the woman had been in the U.S. illegally, or if she had made an attempt to get prenatal care prior to the emergency. Instead the article contains major mistatements in an attempt to reinforce the beliefs of the author.

The author goes on to use this erroneous arugment to support his view that all illegal immigrants should be entitled to healthcare insurance in the United states. However, although Canada and Mexico, have free health services, neither provide these services free to illegal immigrants in those countries on a universal base. Rather illegal immigrants are often required to pay for those services.

The question we should be asked is why are we giving citizenship to children based solely on birth in the United States. Again an example of our liberalness which neither Canada or Mexico follow.

It would be foolish to further flood the United States with illegal aliens by providing further benefits to those here illegally.

[anayeli-2009]

I''ll gladly support prenatal care for illegal immigrants as long as their babies don''t gain "birthright citizenship", the current misinterpretation of the 14th amendment.

[wmb1957]

GladImNotOJ, while you may find your interpretation of the 14th amendment the only reasonable, even the Supreme Court was not that convinced with two dissenters on United States v. Wong Kim Ark. The dissenters arguments were based on previous case history as well as the Congressional Records of the debate surrounding the 14th amendment. Indeed Congressional Debate suggests that Congress did not mean to cover all as citizens.

Nor in United States v. Wong Kim Ark were the parents illegal immigrants. Although courts have seemed to apply the case to illegal immigrants, I am unaware of a Supreme Court case that has actually decided the issue unequivecally.

[anayeli-2009]

I''ll gladly support prenatal care for illegal immigrants as long as their babies don''t gain "birthright citizenship", the current misinterpretation of the 14th amendment.

[anayeli-2009]

I''ll gladly support prenatal care for illegal immigrants as long as their babies don''t gain "birthright citizenship", the current misinterpretation of the 14th amendment.

[rowdytexan2]

A Unversal Health Care Program for US citizens does not bar one immigrant from purchasing their own health insurance program!

Let the profiteering insurance companies sign up every one of them and let them contribute to it, just like every one of us have to.

The point is, if they''re here illegally, they don''t have the right to the pursuit of health, properity and those inalieable rights that belong to a citizen.
Let them go home and demand it from their own governments.

Or better yet, if they''re here in this country working, demand that the big businesses that are hiring them pay for their health care as protection against tax payer dollars! I think that''s a piece of legislation that should be put thru immediately if they want to bring in immigrants to flood the job market for their profitability with cheap labor.

Pass a Universal Health Care program for our citizens which excludes illegal immigrants and require those bustwards who hire them pay for their health care!

This is just another republican guilt trip being thrown in our faces! I can''t believe intelligent people are falling for this ***!

[anayeli-2009]

I''ll gladly support prenatal care for illegal immigrants as long as their babies don''t gain "birthright citizenship", the current misinterpretation of the 14th amendment.

[wmb1957]

RowdyTexan2, how is this a "republican guilt trip"?

The Democrats are the ones supporting illegal immigration in most cases, some Republicans do as well, but not the majority of them. At least in my experience.

I''m an independent, Illinois, and both of my senators, Durbin and Obama are fully in the pro illegal immigrant camp. Both are Democrats.

[anayeli-2009]

I''ll gladly support prenatal care for illegal immigrants as long as their babies don''t gain "birthright citizenship", the current misinterpretation of the 14th amendment.

[sparks224]

Let''s all hate the cheap labor that we invited into our country.

[wmb1957]

"In 2000, a study from Health Affairs found that less than 1 percent of undocumented immigrants "cited obtaining social services as the most important reason for immigrating."

This 1% is enough reason to support a policy that further restricts social services to illegal immigrants, eliminates birthright citizenship and rather has citizenship for minor children follow the parents citizenship status.

Those two changes alone would have an immense affect on the illegal immigration in this country.

[trillion1]

When the 14th. ammendment was written we were not being over run by millions of illegals.

[libsluvsuvs]

A lot of advocates for illegal immigration talks about this issue like they have options...THEY ARE ILLEGAL ALIENS..THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALY hence THEY HAVE NO OPTIONS AND THERE IS NO ROOM TO NEGOTIATE THIS MATTER..THEY NEED TO BE REMOVED.

[wmb1957]

sparks224, You may have invited cheap labor, I did not. Indeed studies show at least some correlation between income and sentiment supporting illegal immigration.
Perhaps those most likely to hire them as "household" help, want to keep their cheap labor around, and prefer that the public give them benefits, like healthcare.

[bennyblack1]

No. There simply shouldn''t be any Americans housing Illegal immigrants. Granted, they seem to be really nice people, but ya know something? There is a lady here in town who is an American Korean who houses illegal aliens. Who just so happens to be my landlord. They can''t pay rent and they work for her for a place to live and penny wages for electricity. They find the food on their own, pretty much. There was one guy that happen to be selling beds, but because none of his family speaks English, I went to find him to pay for the bed. His wife thought I wanted to buy her time for s.e.x. She came out and "agreed" to the price of $20, and proceeded to invite me in. I only wanted to find her husband so that I could pay for the bed I picked up from him. Now, what situation could that have gotten me into? So, if they are willing to allow prostitution in their own families, what ELSE are they doing? I can tell you that. I see it every day but Monday. Partying all night long. Drugs, alcohol, prostitution. They are illegal, undocumented workers that need to be dealt with.

[bennyblack1]

She''s trying to make me fit into that category of, "I don''t have a choice, so take the money...AND the bad treatment, too." I''ve paid my rent for 6 months, and she''s going to pay me penny wages and treat me like a dog! Forget it! I''ve got a choice. I work for her because I WANT to, not because I have to. I quit last night.

[bennyblack1]

Um, and excuse me...I didn''t invite the cheap labor. You need to go talk to the greedy corporate giants that make plenty of money to pay quality, educated, and trained Americans to do the jobs. Talk to the educators and farmers, who do not place enough emphasis on American agriculture. Talk to the small business owner who over schedules himself, and takes to picking up "whoever is willing." There is no application filled out, no I-9 form, no questions of citizenship, no inquiry of a criminal record, no asking for an ID or green card...if the guy can understand "point and grunt," he''s hired.

[ramos937]

House Minority Leader John Boehner recently issued a press release charging that providing health care to illegal immigrants "increase[s] the tax burden on American families," while conservative commentators like Michelle Malkin are more naked in their hysteria, warning that the United States is in the midst of becoming "the land of the limit-less health care handout for ''undocumented immigrants.''" The same article points out that a recent study found that only 1% of illegals come here for free health care.

In any case, Rep. Boehner is representative of the hate Republicans have for illegal immigrants; a subject Hispanics care very much about. Re.p Boehner and his kind have labeled the GOP as anti Hispanic. In 11/2008, the GOP will reap what it has planted.

[bennyblack1]

And the police? There aren''t enough police to deal with it. There isn''t an immigrant watchdog office here, and being that it''s real close to an army post, it would just seem that there would be some protective measures by the federal government put in place to deal with the situation. There aren''t any. How many of these illegal immigrants are radical Islamic? How many are Al Queda? How many are radical Pakstani terrorists? WE DON''T KNOW!!!

[anayeli-2009]

Sorry for the multitude of posts. It wasn''t clear that my post was published. The courts have not found that babies born to those intentionally violating our federal laws fit into the description in the 14th.

[bennyblack1]

And, how many military posts have this influx of illegal aliens around it? That is unknown as well, since most military post commanders are only concerned with what goes on INSIDE it. As a result, it is even questionable as to just how many soldiers in all branches are taking a part in illegal activities with illegal aliens.

[bennyblack1]

Anayeli;
I think the confusion is that the Constitution states that a person is an American citizen if born on American soil. However, I think our founding forefathers didn''t expand upon that by mistake. I would think that they assumed that Americans having children on American soil, whether on a military post, embassy, or commonwealth, were American citizens. I don''t actually believe that this law pertains to illegal aliens having children on American soil. An apple tree produces apples. A pear tree produces pears. An apple tree does not, however, produce pears. Being in a MacDonalds doesn''t make you a hamburger. Americans breed Americans. Illegal aliens breed illegal aliens. So, a Mexican that has children on American soil doesn''t make the children Americans. The children are STILL Mexicans. The whole family needs to be deported.

[bennyblack1]

What I really need to know is, what is El Presidente in Mexico doing about it? Nothing. He''s blaming America for the Illegal Alien problem. He''s content with that. I don''t see him building manufacturing plants, producing cars, creating textiles, drilling for oil, or doing something to create a better economy so that Mexicans would want to stay there. I see a caste system in place. The rich and priviledged, and the poor agricultural communities. The rich have nice houses and cars, while the agricultural communities live in communes and walk or ride a bike. What are illegal drugs here, they offer to the general public in the pharmacies. So, the poor communities work hard for their money, then spend it on alcohol and drugs. Then, have nothing to show for it.

[bennyblack1]

Then, they drag that same poverty stricken mentality here.

[wmb1957]

ramos937: It is not productive to label those that are against illegal immigration as "hate Republicans" or anti-hispanic. Indeed prior to my posting yours is the only post that mentioned hate or hispanic. Though the article does mention hispanics.
Hate doesn''t have anything to do with it, except for those that resort to cheap tactics because they don''t have facts.
Since all illegal immigrants are not hispanics or all hispanics illegal immigrants, ethnic heritage really has nothing to do with the discussion. Its a troll tactic.
Apparently you do not believe the Senator should have told American citizens how much they are paying for providing this service? We prefer a government that does communicate with us, rather then plotting behind closed doors with "stakeholders" to the benefit of those that are not citizens.

[bennyblack1]

I would agree with that statement. A good example is that supposing that I have a wife, and two kids. I have a job that supports them all. I buy them food, clothes, and provide health care for them. I pay the bills(house payment, electricity, water, car payment, gas for the car, insurance..etc). Then someone else''s kids waltz into the house and expect to get the same treatment as I give my own kids. The wife walks in and starts taking food out of the refrigerator. One of her kids gets sick, and she expects me to take them to the hospital and pay for their care. Then her rent becomes due, and she thinks I''m going to take care of that too. Well, my job only support ONE family of four, not seven. I already have a wife and two kids. I don''t need a sub-set to take care of.

This is essentially what illegal aliens are doing. They are expecting us to take care of them as well as our own, and we simply can''t. Illegal aliens are children to a different set of parents that need to take responsibility for them.

[ubrew12]

bennyblack1 said: "The rich and priviledged [in Mexico], and the poor agricultural communities. The rich have nice houses and cars, while the agricultural communities live in communes and walk or ride a bike. "

I must say, you are right. For the last 40 years, Latin American communities have been DEEPLY divided by wealth. Really, HORRIBLE juxtapositions of wealth and absolute "eat your own baby" poverty. America created a better, more equitable, society, and thats why all the Latin poor are over here... wouldn''t YOU do the same? I was in Latin America in the 1970''s and could SEE the problems occuring that this was going to create!!!

We need to close the border, send them home (if we can identify all of them), and FORCE (I mean, by arms if necessary) Latin American to take in its own POOR!!!!!!!! Al-Qaeda is a ruse. The true threat to America is Latin America (and other places) NOT looking after their own people, and FORCING them to leave to other shores (i.e. America).

Time to take ACTION against THAT kind of ''rich on poor'' predation!!! I''m sorry the world is over-populated. It''s not America''s job to take in the excess!!! And I say this as a Dem!

[bennyblack1]

ubrew.
I agree. Oh gosh, yes, I agree. And I think we should actually go one step further. Invade Mexico! If they all want to be Americans, voila! Then, they would HAVE to follow all the laws and regs, and we would then go about improving the sorry conditions down there. I really don''t think that the Mexican government would be stupid enough to try to stop it. I know it sounds Imperialistic, but, hey, you made your own kids *** children. Give us your country and we''ll adopt them. And stay out of our business!

[ubrew12]

bennyblack1 said: "Invade Mexico!"

Well, maybe we''ve had enough of invasions for the present. For now, absolutely CLOSE the border. 100%. Then, try to identify those who''ve been here illegally less than 10 years and deport them (yes, pay them something if possible, that would be the right thing to do). Finally, put serious pressure on their governments to get rid of the HORRIBLE inequities I saw in the 1970s-80s (which, I''m sure, continue to this day), that has driven this gruesome expatriation. We are dealing with a FAILURE to deal with a typical overpopulation problem of too many countries over the last 50 years (if you want to see how to deal with the subject of southern overpopulation/inequity properly, take a look at Italy in the 1960s-70s).

America is a little too romantically impressed by its history as the place for the ''tired, oppressed, huddled masses''. That''s not an excuse for other countries not to get their sh*t together. Many Latin American countries in particular (I''ve been to these countries: trust me, to be upper middle class in them is a whole OTHER plane of existence), have decided to export their population problems. ENOUGH OF THAT NONSENSE!!!

[rudy654-2009]

It seems to me that many of these undocumented workers also have children serving in Iraq. I don''t know the numbers, but I already know quite a few. And yes, when there is talk about illegals, it is usually about the Hispanics. Why? Because of the dumb comments that they don''t want to speak English and we don''t want those people here. I still find it hilarious that these Mestizos are called illegal when their ancestors have been here for thousands of years, but those who call them that, can''t go back more than 7 generations.

[rudy654-2009]

"And I think we should actually go one step further. Invade Mexico!"

How in the he11 do you think you got a hold of all of the Southwest and Texas???? By invading Mexico, maybe, just maybe?? Good grief, I love the irony.

[frankbowers]

I read the other day a way to explain my dislike of the illegal aliens.
It went like this.
"The illegal is like a robber in the house of the immigrant stealing his hard earned property".
The best of good byes frank bowers in austin, tx

[rudy654-2009]

This is essentially what illegal aliens are doing. They are expecting us to take care of them as well as our own, and we simply can''''t. Illegal aliens are children to a different set of parents that need to take responsibility for them.
Posted by bennyblack1 at 05:35 PM

Yep, they used to say this krap about the Irish too. "But they don''t live like us." "They''re dirty people." Or, I like when back in the 30s they would give IQ tests to some poor old woman from Poland who didn''t speak any English, and say "They''re sending all the sick retards to our country." Or,"We can let them Jews come in, they''re trying to take over the whole country." "Make sure none of them get of the ship, and jump to freedom." So, the U.S. sent back several thousands of Jews to face their ultimate fate in the Holocaust. Yep, by today''s standards, most of you wouldn''t even be here posting your anti-immigrant rhetoric, because your dirt poor, illiterate ancestors wouldn''t have even been allowed off the ship.

[rudy654-2009]

"The illegal is like a robber in the house of the immigrant stealing his hard earned property".

Hmm. It''s more like the so-called "illegal" is a stranger in his own land, stolen from his ancestors by illegal, unscrupulous, self righteous invaders.

[mediapreachr]

We are commenting,but don''t have the whole picture.
Most of the illegal immigrants are hispanic-from mexico or South America.
There is no middle class in S.America,just poor and the very rich.
Their population is exploding and the uber rich have found the solution-send them over the border in US.
For more than 40 years Mexico''s main export is poverty.Have you ever been to Mexico City?They are calling these people-their own poor,half-breeds.
In less than 20 years USA will look like a third world country.

[mediapreachr]

Seal the border now.In a small island-Hispanola-There are 2 countries-Haiti and the Dominican Republic,there are border guards and towers.All this talk about security amounts to nonsense if we,as a country have an unguarded border.Whoever doesn''t want to assimilate can go back anytime.

[bennyblack1]

Well, sadly your history is mistaken. If you remember correctly, Napolean at one time owned the entire territory from the north to the south of the United States, dead in the Middle Southern tip of Texas to Washington State. Napolean sold the entire territory to the United States for $18,000,000. This was the famous "Louisiana Purchase." We didn''t invade it. We bought it from who was, at the time, the greatest military/leader/king in the world. Mexico did not have an interest in it except to party and siesta, and make trouble. If you remember correctly, the Mexicans were forcibley evicted from Florida, California, and Texas for their mischieviousness and diabolical behavior. They made no investment in it, and still have no real investment in it. The Mexicans who were honorable, and became American citizens by serving in the Armed Forces, I have no problem with. It''s their illegal alien compadres and family I have a problem with.

[bennyblack1]

It''s the illegal aliens who carried on the tradition of rebellion against the United States and what rightfully belongs to it. Illegal aliens from Mexico still make trouble with 3 major drug routes and several minor routes from Texas, New Mexico and California all ending up in Las Vegas where my brother died at the end of a drug deal gone bad. He was sick and in need of medical care, and his Mexican compadre drug runners left him to die at the hands of his drug dealer, who shortly came and finished him off. My brother, was at one time, a highly decorated soldier from Viet Nam. He was destroyed by drugs. His wife was a Mexican, and his friends were her relatives. And they were the ones ultimately responsible for his death.

[cfin5]

"We the People" here in America shouldn''t have to pay one dime for the ILLEGAL aliens problems with their health. Mexico''s got oil, so send them a bill for the cost on any issue in their regards. If they won''t pay it, then figure the cost into the US Dollar-Mexican Peso exchange rate.......Oh, while your at it, don''t forget all the fines, court costs, etc........Politicians make everything so hard to figure out. Who is their constituency, not to mention which country they belong too?

[bennyblack1]

It is stories like this and many others that have me so mad. You folks that are blind and don''t see what is going on around you have locked yourselves into your own routines. I see what is going on. Illegal aliens are mixing in with the gang bangers, pimps, drug dealers, and prostitutes in the United States which only strengthens their front against us as true Americans. They also mix with anti-American Americans. They are creating a new generation of home grown anti-American terrorists, and persuading our children to become as such. That should make any American mad. But, no...Americans are stoned on the drugs they buy from them, thrilled with the *** their prostitutes bring them, rich from the bribes they present, and imprisoned by blackmail from activities that they have been involved in.

[bennyblack1]

The kicker? There ain''t a d.a.m.n. thing I can do about it. I have to sit here and watch it, then eventually become a victim of it. I''m not a victim yet, but it''s shortly coming.

[cfin5]

......AND I WANT OUR TWO BORDER AGENTS OUT OF PRISON AND THAT ATTORNEY "NIFONG" SUTTON TAKING THEIR PLACE FOR LYING!!!

[bennyblack1]

www.bennyblack1.com

[bennyblack1]

hmmm. No comments.

[barbaraf4]

How can we possibly justify giving health insurance to illegals while withholding it from working class American citizens and their families?