Massive Theft Feared At Reagan Library

The Skinny: 80,000 Items Unaccounted For -- "Near Universal" Security Breach Left Mementos Open To Theft By Insiders

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If there are two things that really stuck in the late President Ronald Reagan's craw, it was weak security and government inefficiency. So there's an extra sting to the Los Angeles Times' report that both seem to have descended on his presidential library with a vengeance.

A recent audit by the National Archives inspector general found that the Reagan library in Simi Valley, Calif. was unable to properly account for more than 80,000 Reagan mementos out of its collection of some 100,000 such items, and "may have experienced loss or pilferage the scope of which will likely never be known." The report described a "near universal" security breakdown at the library.

Inspector General Paul Brachfeld said his office was investigating allegations that a former employee stole Reagan memorabilia but that the probe had been hampered by sloppy record-keeping.

"We have been told by sources that a person who had access capability removed holdings," Brachfeld told the Times. "But we can't lock in as to what those may be."

The hilltop complex is the most visited of the nation's 12 presidential libraries, and includes the Air Force One that served as the "Flying White House" for seven presidents.

It is also supposed to include a large collection of ornamented Western belt buckles given to the president over the years by admirers who knew of his attachment to his ranch - but nobody's quite sure if it's still there or not.

The library has accepted the audit's criticisms and is working to fix the problems. A National Archives spokeswoman said that part of the problem is that presidential libraries did not have the same strict preservation guidelines used by most museums, and that funding was an issue.

"Our resources are spread pretty thin," she said.

Well, come to think of it, maybe Reagan wouldn't have minded this state of affairs. He did oppose big government, after all.

Clinton In A "Dead Heat" With Giuliani In Poll

Most Americans want nothing to do with anything remotely Bush-related - including those presidential candidates who share his party - but they're not so sure they're ready for another Clinton, either, the Wall Street Journal reports.

A new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll shows that, by a 50 percent to 35 percent margin, Americans prefer that a Democrat gets elected to the presidency next November. But offsetting that demand for change are reservations about Hillary Clinton's truthfulness and ideology, even as Americans applaud her leadership qualities.

The result: Clinton is in a dead heat with leading Republican candidate Rudy Giuliani when the two are matched up.

Smelling blood, perhaps, Giuliani has been taking an aggressive stance with his in-state rival lately. While promoting his anti-terror credentials with tough talk on Iran, the former major slammed Clinton for displaying "the worst of the Clinton years" by equivocating in the debate on driver's licenses for illegal immigrants.

"If you think a question about driver's licenses is a tough question, a gotcha question," he told a New Hampshire town hall meeting a few days ago. "You're not ready for [Iranian leader Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad."

Pilots Can (And Do!) Fly Planes While Sleeping

Next time you're nestling your balled jacket up against the airplane window, trying to block out the engine's roar so you can get some shut-eye, you might also want to block out this: USA Today reports that passengers aren't the only ones drifting off to dreamland on flights. Pilots sometimes do too.

The paper reports that hundreds of pilots, mechanics and air-traffic controllers reported that fatigue led them to make mistakes on the job, including six cases in which pilots fell asleep mid-flight.

In once case, a pilot and co-pilot fell asleep while descending toward Dulles International Airport near Washington, D.C., NASA records say. And Frontier Airlines acknowledged Wednesday that two of its pilots fell asleep on a 2004 flight from Baltimore to Denver. One pilot awoke to "frantic calls" from a controller, according to NASA reports.

None of the incidents caused an accident.

The National Transportation Safety Board will address the issue of fatigue today at its annual hearing to adopt its "most wanted" safety enhancements.

May we suggest cockpit alarm clocks?

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[myidoncbs]

80% of Ronnie''s mementoes stolen? Those repugs have STICKY FINGERS!

[antoniof123]

"Our resources are spread pretty thin," she said.

Must be the tax cuts and reform the Republicans are so famous for.

[forthepeopl1]

SO GO AHEAD AMERICANS BE WEAK, THIS IS COMMING....IT IS TIME FOR A REVOLUTION,TIME TO STOP BUSH/CHENEY


The violence broke out after an estimated 80,000 ant-iBUSH demonstrators - led by university students - marched peacefully to the Supreme Court to protest constitutional changes that would greatly expand BUSH/CHENEY power if voters agree to the changes in December. Unrest, if it continues, could mar a Dec. 2 referendum on the controversial reforms
The amendments being protested would abolish presidential term limits, give the president control over the Central Bank and let him create new provinces governed by handpicked officials.
The protesters demand the referendum be suspended, saying the amendments would weaken civil liberties and give BUSH AND CHENEY unprecedented power to declare states of emergency.
``Don''''''''t allow AMERICA to go down a path that nobody wants to cross , during the march to the Supreme Court.
BUSH, who was first elected in2000, denies the reforms threaten freedom. He says they would instead move AMERICA toward what he calls ``21st century socialism.''''''''''''''''
In televised comments prior to the unrest, BUSH urged ALL AMERICANS to turn out en masse to vote for the reforms. In reference to the opposition, he said: ``Don''''''''t go crazy.''''''''''''''''

SO GO AHEAD AND VOTE HER IN AMERICA, AND SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT...

WITH 250 MILLION AMERICANS THEY CANT KILL US ALL..TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

[random_radar]

"WITH 250 MILLION AMERICANS THEY CANT KILL US ALL..TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

Posted by forthepeopl1 at 10:43 AM : Nov 08, 2007"

I hate encouraging random spam, but this made me laugh. They don''t need to kill us all. They just need to do a demonstration of force like blowing up a minor city with a nuclear bomb. After the first million citizens die, everyone else will be very willing to go along quietly.

Anyone who thinks there will be a revolution is very confused. Americans are happy with their government anyway. America is the most powerful empire the world has ever known and Americans are justifiably proud of themselves. Don''t bother interrupting their rejoicings with blather about freedom.

[KOOLSTUF]

FORTHEPEOPL1:

Your "scare ranting" is ludicrous !!!

Your ignorance of how our "federalistic" government
REALLY works is appalling.

There''s CAN''T be any December "Voter Referendum" for
constitutional amendments -- at least NOT in the USA!

Voters are NOT empowered to cast ballots on the Constitution. Amendments pass only AFTER at least 2/3rds of the 50 states'' legislative bodies pass a law
reflecting approval.

You should consider reading a textbook on "Civics".

[KOOLSTUF]

BTW, there are now THREE HUNDRED MILLION people in the USA -- plus or minus 12,000,000 or so illegals

[terrapin78]

So the Rupugs steal their idols stuff?

Too funny!

[iceman_1960]

Asked about the missing Reagan mementos, an unidentified security guard at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library replied, "You know, I don"t remember. I honestly can"t recall. I have no recollections about them. I think it"s possible to forget."

[iceman_1960]

"Hillary Clinton is not qualified to be president. She has no executive experience and her hubby has shielded her from the real world."
- Posted by tuckerndfw at 11:36 AM : Nov 08, 2007

You haven"t called her a Bimbo yet.

That"s progress.

Some of our greatest Presidents had no great executive ability before taking office.

Americans are in a mood for a change. She will win in November 2008.

[iceman_1960]

"Some of our greatest Presidents had no great executive ability before taking office."

Whoops, I meant, "no great executive experience."

They wouldn"t have been our greatest Presidents if they had had no great executive ability.

[kingreb09]

Please go to amazon.com and type in the search box, "THE GAME BY JERRY WEBBER" and purchas ethe book entitled "THE GAME" By Jerry Webber. This is a must read book fior the entire family and will make for an excellent Christmas gift and the proceeds will go to help a homeless. Tell all of your friends to do the same thing as well Thank you very much.

[flipantflaw]

'' .. it is farce / sci-fi / impossible in one, it is surreal, generals what hold hands and weave bouquets, recycle garbage / garden to educational props w/ accents / dances with jingles, shopgift grass / dirt for cures for cancer / other margaritas, shift / toggle / travel, dance get well feed world get sick tax world hike naked dance dressed porn songs rallyd round billions sick beds swimming drifting tens millions spore bloom weed dragon trail fickle first aid lunch farm cottage studio trail crossing yseedsberry trail groups dotted w/ homed sheltets, speckled w/ drip compost fertilizet / drip water irrigatet, decorated with folk playing zero resistance free form tai chi aikido yogaerobic inkblot sport and puzzle for life and lunch the musical epic quest to cure the common death and the wondet supet floral poet ballot ballet bowl and the lusty forge your own epic karaoke feed the world with free food / free medicine for each and all forever and ever more, tho they''ve chased me to punish / persecute, and i''ve chased them to tell them not to punish / persecute, i''ve seen them heal, i''ve seen them save, i''ve seen them speak love into hearts with effortless unrewarded ease, they taught courtesy / effeciency / the absence of detention when the rule books demanded otherwise, my heart is of disbelief, they did not do these things, and if they had: i''d not surrender my disbelief to be myself so unyielding .. ''

[missingamerica]

Pilots sleeping while their aircraft is on autopilot doesn''t worry me.

If an F-18 Hornet pilot is willing to trust his aircraft to get him airborne on each and every carrier launch while he or she keeps her hands completely off of the controls, why should I worry when the only thing the computer has to do is maintain airspeed, altitude, attitude, and course?

Have you ever seen a carrier launch?

[macusweil]

Gee, maybe they also the stole papers with the details of how Reagan violated his oath and the Constitution by selling weapon to Iran to fund right wing death squads in Central America.

[superdem]

The rant against Hillary Clinton''s qualifications to be President is just that - she''s of age and an American citizen, those are the only constitutional qualifications set forth by the founding fathers. No degree, awards or experience would ever satify the right wing, they hate her, pure and simple. Beyond that, all the experience on the political right hasn''t prevented them from destroying our nation in friutless and unwinnable foreign wars based on lies and exploitation of foreign resources, the propping up of corrupt puppet governments, the looting of the national treasury to their rich corporate friends, the politicization of our federal agencies, the abdication of congressional oversight, the hiring of federal officials based on political connections, the stonewalling of critical documents subpoenaed by congress, it goes on and on. Hillary Clinton is one of the most thoroughly investigated people in public service, and the most rabid Republican prosecutors could not get any charges to stick. The Republicans have run America into the ground, the Democrats couldn''t possibly do worse no matter WHO they nominate, and in fact everyone knows they will save America from the neocon nightmare. We only have to sweat out the remaining days of the criminal Bush regime and then sweep out all the Republican obstructionists. I can''t wait.

[oleander8]

The Clintons are the most scrutinized political couple in the history of this country - I don''t think there are any surprises there....but Guiliani - the 2008 campaign season should be interesting once they start digging on him. Hillary - you go girl!!

[iceman_1960]

"Some of our greatest Presidents had no great executive EXPERIENCE before taking office."

I"m not saying Hillary Clinton will be the next Abraham Lincoln, but before he became President, he was a "prairie lawyer" and a member of the House of Representatives. His only executive experience was a short and uneventful stint as captain of a company of Illinois militia during the one-sided Black Hawk War.

(He saw no combat, unlike Hillary, who threw a lamp at an opponent once.)

You can"t make the lack of executive ability a disqulaifier, because it would have disqualified Abraham Lincoln.

[oscarez]

"If an F-18 Hornet pilot is willing to trust his aircraft to get him airborne on each and every carrier launch while he or she keeps her hands completely off of the controls"

I don''t think this is true. Where did you get this information?

[oleander8]

Anyone that thinks Hillary Clinton doesn''t have the qualifications to be President - hasn''t done their homework. Her experience working for this country goes back to her college days.

[iceman_1960]

"Americans are in a mood for a change. She will win in November 2008."

Posted by Iceman_1960 at 11:43 AM : Nov 08, 2007

"Those are contradictory statements.

If voters want a change, they"ll vote for Ron Paul."
- Posted by tuckerndfw at 12:04 PM : Nov 08, 2007

Ron Paul is a man.

We"ve never had a woman as President before.

I know that sounds superficial, and it is, but a very large number of Americans will vote for her on that one point alone -- a lot more than will admit that aloud to pollsters. (That"s a strong hunch of mine.)

No one ever made money betting against a Clinton in a presidential race.

[iceman_1960]

"She has never held an executive position within any organization other than the "legal aid" society she chaired for a couple of years during Carter"s presidency."

That puts her ahead of Lincoln in the executive experience category.

As I said, that is no disqualifier,

[jowand]

"Some of our greatest Presidents had no great executive EXPERIENCE before taking office."

I"m not saying Hillary Clinton will be the next Abraham Lincoln, but before he became President, he was a "prairie lawyer" and a member of the House of Representatives. His only executive experience was a short and uneventful stint as captain of a company of Illinois militia during the one-sided Black Hawk War.

(He saw no combat, unlike Hillary, who threw a lamp at an opponent once.)

You can"t make the lack of executive ability a disqulaifier, because it would have disqualified Abraham Lincoln.

Posted by Iceman_1960 at 12:01 PM : Nov 08, 2007

Lincoln''s best asset was he was not a piece of corrupted insider Kr*p like almost everyone from both parties running for President in 08. No more Clinton'' no more Bush'', enough is enough. What ,or who, do you have in the 08 candidates other than the same old same old including Ron Paul and Obama?

[iceman_1960]

And oh yes, Lincoln was for the rights of Southerners to own slaves, before he was against it.

I guess you guys would have rejected him too.

[superdem]

Someone stole all of Saint Ronnie''s relics from the holy of holy shrines ???? What''s that sound - the gnashing of teeth among the throngs of Republican disciples. BWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! It was disgusting how this President was deified by the Right Wing for spending the Soviet Union into the ground, doing the same to this country in the process. I never saw mentally ill homeless people picking through dumpsters until the Reagan Administration. He defied Congress in propping up right wing dictators in Central America, he sold weapons all over the world, and worst of all he got 243 American marines killed in Lebanon because he couldn''t control our good friends the Israelis. For that he should have been impeached. Instead, the Republicans made him a god. I don''t countenance theft, but this was a museum meant to promote a false image of a flawed man. They should prosecute whoever did it, but it''s ironic that the pharoe''s tomb should be so desecrated by someone who had to be on the inside. The Left held him in contempt, but didn''t rob his grave.

[iceman_1960]

One of the underdiscussed features of the upcoming 2008 election is the unprecedented percentage of under-30 voters it will have.

They are the 800 pound Gorilla in the room.

Among them, particularly among the females, Hillary Clinton is extremely popular, running againt a Mitt Romney or a Rudy Giuliani.

This will be a huge factor in the race.




[All bets are off if the GOP nominates Jessica Simpson, however.]

[canyoutellme-2009]

Those of you who say someone that has no "executive" experience cannot run the nation.... come on!! You CONs elected BUSH TWICE. He has TONS of Executive experience. He''s also bankrupted everything he''s run before. ANd now he''s bankrupting the USA. Don''t believe me?? what has the dollar done? It''s at its lowest levels EVER. This is due to what?? This is due ENTIRELY to his debacle in Iraq and his torment of Iran and destabilizing the entire world.

and now you want to elect Guiliani?? Seriously? Doesn''t anyone know ANYTHING? He''s a big FAKE! He PROFITED from 09/11. Check out his net worth a day before 09/11, then check it out after. He gets paid BIG money to do 09/11 speeches. He put the dang emergency center IN the WTC after the FIRST bombings! What kind of MORON does that? He''s also VERY polarizing. You think he''ll bring this nation TOGETHER? give me a break! He also cheated on his wife in PUBLIC... oh yeah, and he married his COUSIN. Seriously, cut out the insanity. What can anyone POSSIBLY see in Guiliani! If he gets elected president, i''m moving to Canada.

[jowand]

And oh yes, Lincoln was for the rights of Southerners to own slaves, before he was against it.

I guess you guys would have rejected him too.
Posted by Iceman_1960 at 12:15 PM : Nov 08, 2007

Lincoln was against slavery, but for States Rights, you need to read a lot more about his upbringing and background before making empty statements

[excoachken]

I don''t want Hillary to be my President, because I prefer to have her as my Senator. She is tough, intelligent, and articulate. On second thought, after having the moronic cowboy for two terms, maybe she should be President.

[jowand]

What can anyone POSSIBLY see in Guiliani! If he gets elected president, i''''m moving to Canada.

Posted by CANYOUTELLME at 12:22 PM : Nov 08, 2007

OH CANADA.

[iceman_1960]

"That puts her ahead of Lincoln in the executive experience category."
- Posted by Iceman_1960 at 12:11 PM : Nov 08, 2007

Of course this response is coming:

"I served with Abraham Lincoln. I knew Abraham Lincoln. Abraham Lincoln was a friend of mine. Senator, you"re no Abraham Lincoln."


[Dan Quayle will regret till his dying day that he ever compared his past experience to that of Jack Kennedy. But he still won.]

[actornaught]

Obviously there are a significant number of people that want simplistic black/white answers to everything. That''s how we got into this mess with a stubborn simpleton in the white house.

It''s just dumb to continue to jabber back & forth about Iraq, that we MUST dominate and occupy, or we MUST get out entirely. It''s just dumb to think that illegal aliens should all be rounded up and sent back, or have free citizenship handed to them. If you think along those lines, you''re an idiot, if you accuse the "other side" of that, you''re a jerk.

So Hillary IS a change. Sure, she''s something of an insider, but THAT''s a change from w, he was just a governor. Sure she''s trying to find compromises to complex problems, and THAT''s a change from w, as well.

But there%u2019s a big difference from her to w and Rudy that''s important. She''s popular with her current constituency. Texas was dammed tired of w long before his kind (idiots) elected him to the white house. And Rudy is constantly criticized by New Yorkers for being an extremely self-aggrandizing phony, and an idiot.

This recent poll is only slightly aberrant. Hillary has consistently been beating Rudy, this poll is just by not as much.

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm

[iceman_1960]

"Lincoln was against slavery, but for States Rights, you need to read a lot more about his upbringing and background before making empty statements"
- Posted by jowand at 12:26 PM : Nov 08, 2007

In those days it was hypocritical to be against slavery but for States Rights, and you know that very well.

These words come straight from Lincoln"s mouth if you set much store by him:

"Do the people of the South really entertain fear that a Republican administration would directly or indirectly interfere with their slaves, or with them about their slaves? If they do, I wish to assure you as once a friend, and still, I hope, not an enemy, that there is no cause for such fears. The South would be in no more danger in this respect than it was in the days of Washington."
- Letter from Lincoln to A.H. Stephens
Public and Private Letters of Alexander Stephens, p. 150

"I have no purpose directly or indirectly to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."
- Lincoln''s Inaugural Address

[jowand]

"I served with Abraham Lincoln. I knew Abraham Lincoln. Abraham Lincoln was a friend of mine. Senator, you"re no Abraham Lincoln."


[Dan Quayle will regret till his dying day that he ever compared his past experience to that of Jack Kennedy. But he still won.]
Posted by Iceman_1960 at 12:28 PM : Nov 08, 2007

YUP it turned out Sen Bensten was lying about knowing Kennedy. He wrote Kennedy one letter and never got an answer.

[formrusmcsgt]

"Most Americans want nothing to do with anything remotely Bush-related - including those presidential candidates who share his party"....

Gee, I wonder why that is, eh?

[iceman_1960]

"And I suppose you think what you put in the oval office is qualified. Since she can speak the English language that makes her qualified not like your imitation cowboy."
- Posted by rharrin1 at 12:33 PM : Nov 08, 2007

In all fairness, tuckerndfw is one of the most dedicated opponents of G. W. Bush that you will ever meet.

[jowand]

"I have no purpose directly or indirectly to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."
- Lincoln''''s Inaugural Address

Posted by Iceman_1960 at 12:33 PM : Nov 08, 2007

Like I said States Rights, Congress make the laws and changes the Constitution when authorized by the people. The President follows the Constitution, Congress and the Courts are supposed to as well

[jowand]

"Most Americans want nothing to do with anything remotely Bush-related - including those presidential candidates who share his party"....

Gee, I wonder why that is, eh?
Posted by formrusmcsgt at 12:34 PM : Nov 08, 2007

Not true the Donkeys and Elephants will pull their favorite levers as usual.

[tucano2]

Ought to put Oliver North in charge of safeguarding stuff there - NO, wasn''t North one of the guys involved in illegal arms sales to Iran? Arms currently used to kill Americans in the region? Couldn''t safeguard the Constitution he was sworn to uphold, so guess he''d be a poor choice to watch over stuff anywhere.

[iceman_1960]

"YUP it turned out Sen Bensten was lying about knowing Kennedy. He wrote Kennedy one letter and never got an answer."
- Posted by jowand at 12:33 PM : Nov 08, 2007

He just misspoke.

It was Abraham Lincoln that Lloyd Bentsen knew personally.

[actornaught]

I consider Hillary as corrupt and dishonest as Bozo Bush. And, twice as divisive.
Posted by tuckerndfw at 12:40 PM : Nov 08, 2007

The former is from years of unsubstantiated hit-pieces from newt and the neocons. The latter is also just a parroted phrase that''s at odds with the truth. Polls show she''s basically tied with Obama as the LEAST divisive major candidate.

[iceman_1960]

"Like I said States Rights, Congress make the laws and changes the Constitution when authorized by the people. The President follows the Constitution, Congress and the Courts are supposed to as well"
- Posted by jowand at 12:36 PM : Nov 08, 2007

But the Emancipation Proclamation overrode States Rights.

So you are agreeing with my statement, the one you dumped on before ?

"Lincoln was for the rights of Southerners to own slaves, before he was against it."

You"re agreeing with that now ?

[iceman_1960]

"That"s what can make these discussions more difficult and time cosuming than necessary. People seem to assume that there are only two politicians in the discussion and it"s a binary choice: Hillary or Bush."
- Posted by tuckerndfw at 12:45 PM : Nov 08, 2007

Somebody did that to formrusmcsgt once. I still remember that.

formrusmcsgt had made a comment in reply to someone else, about Hillary Clinton. So somebody, I forget who it was, took the post completely out of context and came back with:

"This is really pathetic. Nearly 4,000 American troops killed in Iraq, and all these Bushies want to talk about is Hillary Clinton stealing a few sticks of furniture from the Oval Office."

Needless to say, that poster was quickly straightened out.

[actornaught]

This indicates that Mitt is the most divisive:

Unlikely to vote for:
Illinois Senator Barack Obama 47%
New York Senator Hillary Clinton 48%
Former N.Y. City Mayor Rudy Giuliani 49%
Former N. Carolina Senator John Edwards 50%
Arizona Senator John McCain 54%
Former Tenn. Senator Fred Thompson 61%
Former Mass. Governor Mitt Romney 64%

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm

[iceman_1960]

"she"s basically tied with Obama as the LEAST divisive major candidate."
- Posted by actornaught at 12:47 PM : Nov 08, 2007

She leads all other contenders when she takes her dedicated supporters and subtract her dedicated opponents.

The result, when you begin with the percentage who say they WILL vote for her, no matter who her opponet is, and subtract those who say they will NOT vote for her, no matter who her opponent is...

When you subtract those numbers for her, she has a big advantage over all other candidates.

[hawksprings]

Hillary''s negatives will continue to climb as more of the public gets to see more of her during the campaign.
She''s a cold, calculating human being.
She''s always angry, and her temper is legendary.
People don''t want that kind of human for a president, regardless of gender.

I''d rather have Slick Willy as President again than I would Hillary.

[actornaught]

She is the worst candidate in the field, without exception.
Her ONLY qualification appears to be "I''''m a woman and I''''m married to Bill."
Posted by tuckerndfw at 01:08 PM : Nov 08, 2007

If she%u2019s so bad, how do you account for her being so popular with her constituents, something that neither Rudy nor w could say, to an extreme.

Which also leads to the latter point, which is just unaldulterated cr@p, again, especially when compared to Rudy and w. Honestly, i think you''ve just bought into too many years of fabricated hit-pieces from the neocons. I''m not saying she''s perfect, but she''s definately not the person that entertainer limbaugh''s imagination has created, in order to sell bottled tea.

[iceman_1960]

"Hillary"s negatives are far higher than anyone else"s."
- Posted by tuckerndfw at 01:08 PM : Nov 08, 2007

This has passed from "accurate statistic" to "wishful thinking."

It used to be true, but Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani have caught up to her on the negatives, but not the positives.

When you subtract the strong opponents from the strong supporters, she has the decided advantage over them both.

[iceman_1960]

"It used to be true, but Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani have caught up to her on the negatives, but not the positives."

Predictably so, in Giuliani"s case.

A man whose own children won"t speak to him, cannot in the long run be a strong bet for the Oval Office.

[actornaught]

Regardless, i provided the best proof i can find that Hillary''s "divisiveness" is a myth. All you''re doing is asking that i take your word, and the word of other "talking heads", that it''s true.

Poll after poll after poll sums up to her being the most electable.

[hawksprings]

Is Hillary electable?

Forget the politics for a second and just look at the personality types of the Presidents we''ve elected since 1960:

George W. Bush: Nice, friendly good ol'' boy type.
Bill Clinton: Friendly good ''ol boy type.
George Bush the elder: Grandfatherly type.
Ronald Reagan: Upbeat, optimistic grandpa type.
Jimmy Carter: The Jimmy Carter Smile. Upbeat, optimistic, down to earth.
Gerald Ford: Nice guy, former jock, if clumsy.
Richard Nixon: ...ok, so he doesn''t exactly fit the image, and look what happened...
Lyndon Johnson: Father-type figure, strong leader.
John F Kennedy: Good looking, smiles, inspired confidence.

Now compare all of them to Hillary''s cold, shrill personality.
Do you REALLY think she can win the Presidency?
I don''t think Americans will elect a cold witchy-woman as their leader.
We don''t like those type of people.