Nov. 8, 2007

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Overseas Thieves Apparently Used Presidential Campaign To Test Stolen Credit Cards

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(CBS)  The presidential campaign of Texas Rep. Ron Paul received donations from overseas thieves using stolen credit cards, reports CBS station KTVT in Dallas/Fort Worth.

Investigators at Frost Bank discovered that the stolen cards were being used to make $5 contributions to the Paul campaign, in an apparent attempt to test the cards.

Frost Bank refunded money from nearly 100 customers and canceled all 500 of the credit cards that had been stolen from the bank. The Paul campaign tells CBSNews.com it has refunded to the bank the donations from the stolen cards, which amout to about $3,000.

Though Paul's poll numbers in his quest for the Republican presidential nomination are low, his fundraising has been robust. On Monday he raised $4.2 million, a higher one-day total than any Republican hopeful thus far.

Kerri Price, assistant director of communications for the Paul campaign, noted that the donations from the stolen cards represent "a very small percentage of money that was brought in."

"We don't know anything about the criminals that did this," she said, adding that the tactic was "fairly common with identity thieves."

Added Paul spokesman Jesse Benton: "Ron Paul does not have anything to do with this."

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by abdoul_pasha November 8, 2007 12:36 PM PST
Is Paul candidate from the Democrats or the Republicans?
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by prinzowhales November 8, 2007 12:50 PM PST
Ron Paul is a candidate who just happens to be a Republican. The Republicans tried to drive the ten-term Republican Congressman from Texas by changing his district to include more Democrats--he won by even larger margins. The Iowa Repug leadership want to exclude him from their debates...

He is against the war, against the Income Tax, against the private and foreign owned FED and is for the Constitution of the United States and the Republic. He is against the Stupid Peoples'' War and has huge support in the military.

CBSNBCABCFOXPBSCNN--the banker controlled media hates him and will run stories like this rather than seriously address his views. Since when is a few instances of credit card fraud news? Instead of reporting on how few questions he gets the opportunity to answer in the ''debates''...instead of reporting on how they constantly hawk the campaigns of Hillary, McCain, Rudy Mafiosi and all of the other banker-supported War Pig candidates and indulge in trivialization, bogus-attacks and smears of candidates like Paul, Kucinich or Gravel--all anti-war...pro-Constitution candidates--or they just ignore them.

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by prinzowhales November 8, 2007 12:55 PM PST
This story, and stories like them, is why I cancelled my DISH subscription--I am not going to pay one dime to support the likes of FOXCNNABCNBCPBSCBS...I am not going to buy mainstream newspapers or news magazines.
As far as I''m concerned all of the American mainstream info-media complex can disappear from the face of the earth--I''m not going to buy their lies and BS any more.
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by abdoul_pasha November 8, 2007 12:56 PM PST
If he is against the war in Iraq and is not so aggressive in his foreign policy it won`t be bad if he is the next president of the USA. Although my country has brilliant connections with Bush`s regime, I think it`s time he to be replaced by a more peaceful person.
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by homespunlady November 8, 2007 12:57 PM PST
Republican but NOT the George Bush style NEOCON Republican. He''s more of the old-style follow the Constitution and get our noses out of other people and country''s business Republican.
He''s antiwar, too honest to be a politician and Pro-Liberty.

He''d be a nice change if he got in but the oligarchy in power right now are afraid he might cut off their war and big business gravy train robbery of the US Treasury so he''s usually AVOIDED and maligned in the corporate controlled press.

This has been one of the FEW relatively fair articles I''ve seen.
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by abdoul_pasha November 8, 2007 1:05 PM PST
Yes, I don`t know well what the different American politicians say, but this sounds very good.
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by abdoul_pasha November 8, 2007 1:07 PM PST
Actually we have parliamentary elections in my country after 2 weeks
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by terlingua3 November 8, 2007 1:11 PM PST
Why doesn''t CBS go after the CEO of Exxon because he''s obviously hiring crooks to run around and steal people''s wallets and then test their credit cards at gas pumps to see if they still work, all the while boosting exxon''s multibillion dollar income stream by nearly $5000 a month nationwide.

Ridiculous, CBS this is a new low in slanted ignorant journalism. You lost this viewer.
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by jphusa1 November 8, 2007 1:12 PM PST
I am a career Naval officer and have been politically neutral for my entire life, but voting for Ron Paul is about voting for America and our Constitution--which I took an oath to preserve. I am now supporting Dr. Paul with my wallet--and my heart.

Please search for Ron Paul on Google--he places our nation first.
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by redheads4ron November 8, 2007 1:14 PM PST
Ron Paul is a Republican, but I am a liberal and I will be voting for him and no other. Unlike other candidates, Ron Paul is able to attract political diversity among his supporters. He is for the people, but that takes looking outside your own party lines to recognize sometimes. for more info and fantastic video clips on Ron Paul visit REDHEADS4RONPAUL.NET
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by thirty3na3rd November 8, 2007 1:16 PM PST
CBS has been trying to do a fair job of covering the Paul campaign. Unfortunately, as is the case with most of the candidates'' campaigns, these stupid planted stories seem to overwhelm the legitimate stories about what the candidates'' governing philosophies are. I suggest that we take these stories as the tabliod *** they are and pay more attention to anything that matters, like what these candidates will do if elected president.
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by seatex1 November 8, 2007 1:19 PM PST
How security was breached at the San Antonio, TX headquartered Frost Bank? Why should anyone bank with Frost now?

The second story is that on November 5,2007 my fiance tried to make a $100. donation to the Paul campaign using his Frost Bank card. He is a Republican as well as a business owner. He has made two donations in the past using the same card with no trouble. We live in Paul''s district and have voted for him in congressional elections

On this day during the height of the evening fund drive his card was rejected by the Frost Bank four times when it was processed through the campaign website. Each time he received a message saying the card number was invalid or lack of sufficient funds. He then called the number on the back of his card and spoke to a bank offcer and asked what the problem was. They said they had no record that the $100.00 was being denied and funds were definitely available. He specifically asked them if it was a problem regarding trying to give to RP''s campaign after he had read only the day before about an elderly woman in Texas reported by CBS local news that someone had been donating $5.00 to the Ron Paul campaign fraudulently. The Frost Bank representative said "no".

He called the RP campaign and they walked him through the steps to see if the card would go through. It would not and they suggested that he go through a Paypal account.

After a one hour frustrating hassle his donation went through the Paypal site.

What gives?

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by american35-2009 November 8, 2007 1:20 PM PST
If Ron Paul loses this election the media that have caused it will have to deal with the wrath of us.
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by abdoul_pasha November 8, 2007 1:20 PM PST
JPHusa1, thank you, brother, I found an read few articles about him but i couldnt understand whether he will take part in the Elections or the other Rrpublican`s candidate..
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by gunownerdan November 8, 2007 1:26 PM PST
Ron Paul is #1 on the internet.
Youtube viewers can choose to subscribe to their favorite candidate''s youtube page for updates on the latest videos.
Ron Paul has more subscribers in Youtube than Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Edwards, Joe Biden, Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson, and John McCain COMBINED.
Candidate / Number of Subscribers as of Nov. 8, 2007:
Obama = 12,384
Clinton = 6,661
Edwards = 4,437
Biden = 1,483
Romney = 3,231
Giuliani = 2,645
McCain = 1,740
Thompson = 760

TOTAL = 33,341

Dr. Ron Paul = 35,855

This is no accident or typo, Dr. Ron Paul is #1 on the internet! Why? Because the internet is not controlled by a handfull of huge corporations.
Peace and liberty are very popular!
ronpaul2008.com
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by Control-Systems November 8, 2007 1:26 PM PST
Dear CBS News,

On-line card "testing" is a known tactic. Have any other Presidential candidates had on-line donations by credit card fraud? Have any other campaigns returned any money?

Sincerely,

Dev DuRuz
Issaquah, WA
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by topprophet November 8, 2007 1:31 PM PST
On Sept. 20, 2007, CBS News has learned that Democratic fundraiser Norman Hsu is being charged in New York with running a ponzi scheme that also involves illegal campaign contributions to various Democratic candidates, including Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. He was a leading money bundler for Clinton, earning the title of "HillRaiser" for his efforts at collecting donations. Her campaign is returning $850,000 in donations linked to Hsu and promising stricter scrutiny of donors. The U.S. Attorney announced the charges at a press conference following publication of this story. Hsu''s work involved getting people to invest in what appeared to be a lucrative financial investment and at the same time, getting those individuals to donate money to candidates. On Wednesday, Hsu, who is wanted in California on a 15-year-old felony theft conviction, agreed to return to the state without a fight.
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by sacmars November 8, 2007 1:40 PM PST
Dear CBS news,

Who are you kidding? Your attempted smear job on Honorable Congressman Ron Paul is very clearly for the purpose of discrediting his success. Unfortunately for you and your employees, Paul will become President despite your unfair, biased reporting.

Welcome to the new world, chumps.
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by topprophet November 8, 2007 1:41 PM PST
ILLEGAL CAMPAIGN DONATIONS? HAPPENS ALL THE TIME
On Sept. 20, 2007, CBS News (quietly) reported that Hillary Clinton''s campaign fundraiser Norman Hsu was being charged in New York with running a ponzi scheme that also involves illegal campaign contributions to her presidential campaign. He was a leading money bundler for Clinton, and had actually earned the nickname, "HillRaiser" from Hillary for his efforts at collecting donations for her. Her presidential campaign returned the ($850,000) in donations that were linked to Hsu and promised "stricter scrutiny of donors." Hsu was actually a wanted fugative, with an outstanding Felony Warrant, the entire time he worked as a fundraiser for Clinton. Hsu''s ponzi scheme involved getting people to invest in what appeared to be a lucrative financial investment and at the same time, getting those individuals to donate money to Hillary Clinton''s presidential campaign. Hsu was wanted in California on charged stemming from a 15-year-old Felony Theft conviction.
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by sacmars November 8, 2007 1:43 PM PST
Dear CBS news,

Who are you kidding? Your attempted smear job on Honorable Congressman Ron Paul is very clearly for the purpose of discrediting his success. Unfortunately for you and your employees, Paul will become President despite your unfair, biased reporting.

Welcome to the new world, chumps.
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by reeftraverse November 8, 2007 1:44 PM PST
1. The Money Bomb dropped.

2. The Power Elite realized that this could be bad.

3. The attempts to smear and discredit Congressman Paul began.




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by topprophet November 8, 2007 1:45 PM PST
ILLEGAL CAMPAIGN DONATIONS? HAPPENS ALL THE TIME
On Sept. 20, 2007, CBS News (quietly) reported that Hillary Clinton''s campaign fundraiser Norman Hsu was being charged in New York with running a ponzi scheme that also involves illegal campaign contributions to her presidential campaign. He was a leading money bundler for Clinton, and had actually earned the nickname, "HillRaiser" from Hillary for his efforts at collecting donations for her. Her presidential campaign returned the ($850,000) in donations that were linked to Hsu and promised "stricter scrutiny of donors." Hsu was actually a wanted fugative, with an outstanding Felony Warrant, the entire time he worked as a fundraiser for Clinton. Hsu''s ponzi scheme involved getting people to invest in what appeared to be a lucrative financial investment and at the same time, getting those individuals to donate money to Hillary Clinton''s presidential campaign. Hsu was wanted in California on charged stemming from a 15-year-old Felony Theft conviction. Shouldn''t we demonize Hillary, like CBS is (clearly) attempting to demonize Ron Paul? I''m suprised they don''t photoshop some horns on that terrible photograph they always use of him.
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by topprophet November 8, 2007 1:48 PM PST
ILLEGAL CAMPAIGN DONATIONS? HAPPENS ALL THE TIME
On Sept. 20, 2007, CBS News (quietly) reported that Hillary Clinton''s campaign fundraiser Norman Hsu was being charged in New York with running a ponzi scheme that also involves illegal campaign contributions to her presidential campaign. He was a leading money bundler for Clinton, and had actually earned the nickname, "HillRaiser" from Hillary for his efforts at collecting donations for her. Her presidential campaign returned the ($850,000) in donations that were linked to Hsu and promised "stricter scrutiny of donors." Hsu was actually a wanted fugative, with an outstanding Felony Warrant, the entire time he worked as a fundraiser for Clinton. Hsu''s ponzi scheme involved getting people to invest in what appeared to be a lucrative financial investment and at the same time, getting those individuals to donate money to Hillary Clinton''s presidential campaign. Hsu was wanted in California on charged stemming from a 15-year-old Felony Theft conviction. Shouldn''t we demonize Hillary, like CBS is (clearly) attempting to demonize Ron Paul? I''m suprised CBS doesn''t Photoshop some devil horns on top of his head in that terrible photograph they always use of him.
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by sacmars November 8, 2007 1:49 PM PST
Dear CBS news,

Who are you kidding? Your attempted smear job on Honorable Congressman Ron Paul is very clearly for the purpose of discrediting his success. Unfortunately for you and your employees, Paul will become President despite your unfair, biased reporting.

Welcome to the new world, chumps.
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by abdoul_pasha November 8, 2007 1:50 PM PST
Here we have elections after few weeks and ths ituation is nearly the same. There are big public debates and scandals between the different candidates and their fans
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by sacmars November 8, 2007 1:50 PM PST
Dear CBS news,

Who are you kidding? Your attempted smear job on Honorable Congressman Ron Paul is very clearly for the purpose of discrediting his success. Unfortunately for you and your employees, Paul will become President despite your unfair, biased reporting.

Welcome to the new world, chumps.
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by topprophet November 8, 2007 1:54 PM PST
ILLEGAL CAMPAIGN DONATIONS? HAPPENS ALL THE TIME
On Sept. 20, 2007, CBS News (quietly) reported that Hillary Clinton''s campaign fundraiser Norman Hsu was being charged in New York with running a ponzi scheme that also involves illegal campaign contributions to her presidential campaign. He was a leading money bundler for Clinton, and had actually earned the nickname, "HillRaiser" from Hillary for his efforts at collecting donations for her. Her presidential campaign returned the ($850,000) in donations that were linked to Hsu and promised "stricter scrutiny of donors." Hsu was actually a wanted fugative, with an outstanding Felony Warrant, the entire time he worked as a fundraiser for Clinton. Hsu''s ponzi scheme involved getting people to invest in what appeared to be a lucrative financial investment and at the same time, getting those individuals to donate money to Hillary Clinton''s presidential campaign. Hsu was wanted in California on charged stemming from a 15-year-old Felony Theft conviction. Shouldn''t we demonize Hillary, like CBS is (clearly) attempting to demonize Ron Paul? I''m suprised CBS doesn''t Photoshop some devil horns on top of his head in that worst possible photograph they always use of him. The fact is, folks, no candidate can control who does, and who doesn''t donate money to their campaign. Candidates can only return the money when they discover that money has been illegaly donated. Ask Hillary. She would agree with that conclusion.
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by topprophet November 8, 2007 2:01 PM PST
ILLEGAL CAMPAIGN DONATIONS? HAPPENS ALL THE TIME
On Sept. 20, 2007, CBS News (quietly) reported that Hillary Clinton''s campaign fundraiser Norman Hsu was being charged in New York with running a ponzi scheme that also involves illegal campaign contributions to her presidential campaign. He was a leading money bundler for Clinton, and had actually earned the nickname, "HillRaiser" from Hillary for his efforts at collecting donations for her. Her presidential campaign returned the ($850,000) in donations that were linked to Hsu and promised "stricter scrutiny of donors." Hsu was actually a wanted fugative, with an outstanding Felony Warrant, the entire time he worked as a fundraiser for Clinton. Hsu''s ponzi scheme involved getting people to invest in what appeared to be a lucrative financial investment and at the same time, getting those individuals to donate money to Hillary Clinton''s presidential campaign. Hsu was wanted in California on charged stemming from a 15-year-old Felony Theft conviction. Shouldn''t we demonize Hillary, like CBS is (clearly) attempting to demonize Ron Paul? I''m suprised CBS doesn''t Photoshop some devil horns on top of his head in that worst possible photograph they always use of him. The fact is, folks, no candidate can control who does, and who doesn''t donate money to their campaign. Candidates can only return the money when they discover that money has been illegaly donated. At least Paul doesn''t staff his campaign with criminals like Hillary does.
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by homespunlady November 8, 2007 2:01 PM PST
Posted by Abdoul_Pasha at 01:50 PM : Nov 08, 2007

The candidates for a party have to go through a Primary (sort of a mini-election for a political party) which takes place long before the final national election. There is usually only one candidate from each party.

Ron Paul NEEDS to win the Republican primary FIRST or he''s out of the race for the Republican slot.
Some candidates have moved to other parties or ran as an independent but there''s been NO real chance to win when someone does that in the past.
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by November 8, 2007 2:20 PM PST
and of course TopProphet is a moron.....
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by topprophet November 8, 2007 2:23 PM PST
ILLEGAL CAMPAIGN DONATIONS? HAPPENS ALL THE TIME
On Sept. 20, 2007, CBS News (quietly) reported that Hillary Clinton''s campaign fundraiser Norman Hsu was being charged in New York with running a ponzi scheme that also involves illegal campaign contributions to her presidential campaign. He was a leading money bundler for Clinton, and had actually earned the nickname, "HillRaiser" from Hillary for his efforts at collecting donations for her. Her presidential campaign was forced to return ($850,000) in donations that were linked to Hsu and promised "stricter scrutiny of donors." Hsu was actually a wanted fugative, with an outstanding Felony Warrant, the entire time he worked as a fundraiser for Clinton. Hsu''s ponzi scheme involved getting people to invest in what appeared to be a lucrative financial investment and at the same time, getting those individuals to donate money to Hillary Clinton''s presidential campaign. Hsu was wanted in California on charged stemming from a 15-year-old Felony Theft conviction. Shouldn''t we demonize Hillary, like CBS is (clearly) attempting to demonize Ron Paul? I''m suprised CBS doesn''t Photoshop some devil horns on top of his head in that worst possible photograph they always use of him. The fact is, folks, no candidate can control who does, and who doesn''t donate money to their campaign. Candidates can only return the money when they discover that money has been donated illegaly. At least Paul doesn''t staff his campaign with criminals like Hillary does.
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by tejasdemo November 8, 2007 2:32 PM PST
Once a Democrat is elected president in 2008 Ron Paul should be appointed to guard Bush and Cheney at the federal prison they will be staying at.
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by topprophet November 8, 2007 2:35 PM PST
Sadly, even though Clinton voted for the war in Iraq, and a host of Laws aimed at removing your liberties, so many Democrats are blinded by her cult of personality that I predict they will overwhelmingly vote to put her crime family back into office. While I''ve made some progress in educating Liberals as to the phony staged consensus of the left-right paradigm, the fact remains that a majority of Democrats still see the White House as some kind of political Super Bowl, where the success of their "team" is the be all and end all - to the expense of America as a whole. The Punch and Judy show theatre that was the "troop surge" debate in the Senate characterizes Hillary''s role in hoodwinking Americans perfectly. The debate is framed as not whether the U.S. should get out of the Middle-East altogether, but the relative minutia of whether to feed thousands of more troops into the meat grinder or not. Clinton''s Campaign Manager recently compared Hillary to Margaret Thatcher, which translates as more war, more dead Americans, and a further desecration of the tattered shreds of what''s left of our Constitution. Clinton is the ultimate global elitist and represents the Democrats supposed base, the poor and downtrodden, about as much as Lindsay Lohan represents grace and dignity. I''m sure she informed the likes of David Rockefeller and Queen Beatrix as to her presidential aspirations during her last visit to attend the Bilderberg conference. Vote for a REAL AMERICAN. Vote for Ron Paul.
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by candide777 November 8, 2007 2:37 PM PST
If Ron Paul loses this election the media that have caused it will have to deal with the wrath of us.
Posted by American35 at 01:20 PM : Nov 08, 2007

I''m curious, how will they have to deal with your wrath? I don''t understand.
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by topprophet November 8, 2007 2:38 PM PST
ILLEGAL CAMPAIGN DONATIONS? HAPPENS ALL THE TIME
On Sept. 20, 2007, CBS News (quietly) reported that Hillary Clinton''s campaign fundraiser Norman Hsu was being charged in New York with running a ponzi scheme that also involves illegal campaign contributions to her presidential campaign. He was a leading money bundler for Clinton, and had actually earned the nickname, "HillRaiser" from Hillary for his efforts at collecting donations for her. Her presidential campaign was forced to return ($850,000) in donations that were linked to Hsu and promised "stricter scrutiny of donors." Hsu was actually a wanted fugative, with an outstanding Felony Warrant, the entire time he worked as a fundraiser for Clinton. Hsu''s ponzi scheme involved getting people to invest in what appeared to be a lucrative financial investment while at the same time getting those individuals to donate money to Hillary Clinton''s presidential campaign. Hsu was wanted in California on charged stemming from a 15-year-old Felony Theft conviction. Shouldn''t we demonize Hillary, like CBS is (clearly) attempting to demonize Ron Paul? I''m suprised CBS doesn''t Photoshop some devil horns on top of his head in that worst possible photograph they always use of him. The fact is, folks, no candidate can control who does, and who doesn''t donate money to their campaign. Candidates can only return the money when they discover that money has been donated illegaly. At least Paul doesn''t staff his campaign with CRIMINALS LIKE HILLARY does.
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by November 8, 2007 2:39 PM PST
hey moron TopProphet why not come up with your own ideas instead of copying and pasting others? YOU ARE A COMPLETE MORON!!!!

If this is they type of people who want Ron Paul as a potential canidate, then I will definitely not be voting for that horses arse.
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by topprophet November 8, 2007 2:46 PM PST
ILLEGAL CAMPAIGN DONATIONS? HAPPENS ALL THE TIME
On Sept. 20, 2007, CBS News (quietly) reported that Hillary Clinton''s campaign fundraiser Norman Hsu was being charged in New York with running a ponzi scheme that also involves illegal campaign contributions to her presidential campaign. He was a leading money bundler for Clinton, and had actually earned the nickname, "HillRaiser" from Hillary for his efforts at collecting donations for her. Her presidential campaign was forced to return ($850,000) in donations that were linked to Hsu and promised "stricter scrutiny of donors." Hsu was actually a wanted fugative, with an outstanding Felony Warrant, the entire time he worked as a fundraiser for Clinton. Hsu''s ponzi scheme involved getting people to invest in what appeared to be a lucrative financial investment while at the same time getting those individuals to donate money to Hillary Clinton''s presidential campaign. Hsu was wanted in California on charged stemming from a 15-year-old Felony Theft conviction. Shouldn''t we demonize Hillary, like CBS is (clearly) attempting to demonize Ron Paul? I''m suprised CBS doesn''t Photoshop some devil horns on top of his head in that worst possible photograph they always use of him. The fact is, folks, no candidate can control who does, and who doesn''t donate money to their campaign. Candidates can only return the money when they discover that money has been donated illegaly. At least Paul doesn''t staff his campaign with CRIMINALS LIKE HILLARY does.
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by homespunlady November 8, 2007 2:48 PM PST
???what''s with the Katie Couric Video?

Apparently she just admitted that the polls she uses must be WAY OFF BEAM.
How does a candidate raise OVER 4 Million from a Very wide base yet her pollsters CAN''T find them?

Maybe it''s because her so called "expert" isn''t even politically aware enough to know something as BASIC as WHICH PARTY Ron Paul belongs to. DUH!!

Is it like George''s video where he''s "Looking for WMDs" in the oval office?
Pretty blind to what''s going on I''d say.
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by homespunlady November 8, 2007 2:52 PM PST
Posted by mitchoncbs at 02:39 PM : Nov 08, 2007

Don''t blame the candidate for what someone purports to be.

I suspect that after several people, myself included, have asked for those posts to stop that the continued posting is a VERY effective attempt to anger the short tempered against Ron Paul - sort of like the little brother that won''t leave you alone with your friends but has to keep pestering just to get attention and break up the party.
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by topprophet November 8, 2007 2:56 PM PST
ILLEGAL CAMPAIGN DONATIONS? HAPPENS ALL THE TIME
On Sept. 20, 2007, CBS News (quietly) reported that Hillary Clinton''s campaign fundraiser Norman Hsu was being charged in New York with running a ponzi scheme that also involves illegal campaign contributions to her presidential campaign. He was a leading money bundler for Clinton, and had actually earned the nickname, "HillRaiser" from Hillary for his efforts at collecting donations for her. Her presidential campaign was forced to return ($850,000) in donations that were linked to Hsu and promised "stricter scrutiny of donors." Hsu was actually a wanted fugative, with an outstanding Felony Warrant, the entire time he worked as a fundraiser for Clinton. Hsu''s ponzi scheme involved getting people to invest in what appeared to be a lucrative financial investment while at the same time getting those individuals to donate money to Hillary Clinton''s presidential campaign. Hsu was wanted in California on charges stemming from a 15-year-old Felony Theft conviction. Shouldn''t we demonize Hillary, like CBS is (clearly) attempting to demonize Ron Paul? I''m suprised CBS doesn''t Photoshop some devil horns on top of his head in that worst possible photograph they always use of him. The fact is, folks, no candidate can control who does, and who doesn''t donate money to their campaign. Candidates can only return the money when they discover that money has been donated illegaly. At least Paul doesn''t staff his campaign with CRIMINALS LIKE HILLARY does.
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by November 8, 2007 2:59 PM PST
homespunlady, I appreciate that. My temper was in check and I wasn''t getting angry. Guess I was trying to get that other person angry. Thanks for responding and calming me down.
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by candide777 November 8, 2007 3:07 PM PST
I have to admit, every time I start to wonder if maybe Ron Paul supporters have something important to say, TopProphet brings be back to reality and reminds me that on the whole, they are a bunch of fanatical nutjobs who couldn''t compose a persuassive sentence to save their lives.
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by topprophet November 8, 2007 3:10 PM PST
ILLEGAL CAMPAIGN DONATIONS? HAPPENS ALL THE TIME
On Sept. 20, 2007, CBS News (quietly) reported that Hillary Clinton''s campaign fundraiser Norman Hsu was being charged in New York with running a ponzi scheme that also involves illegal campaign contributions to her presidential campaign. He was a leading money bundler for Clinton, and had actually earned the nickname, "HillRaiser" from Hillary for his efforts at collecting donations for her. Her presidential campaign was forced to return ($850,000) in donations that were linked to Hsu. Afterwards, Clinton promised "stricter scrutiny of donors." Hsu was actually a wanted fugitive, with an outstanding Felony Warrant, the entire time he worked for Clinton. Hsu''s ponzi scheme involved getting people to invest in what appeared to be a lucrative financial investment while at the same time getting those individuals to donate money to Hillary Clinton''s presidential campaign. Hsu was wanted in California on charges stemming from a 15-year-old Felony Theft conviction. Shouldn''t we demonize Hillary, like CBS is (clearly) attempting to demonize Ron Paul? I''m suprised CBS doesn''t Photoshop some devil horns on top of his head in that worst possible photograph they always use of him. The fact is, folks, no candidate can control who does, and who doesn''t donate money to their campaign. Candidates can only return money when they discover that it has been donated illegaly. At least Paul doesn''t staff his campaign with CRIMINALS LIKE HILLARY does.
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by abdoul_pasha November 8, 2007 3:14 PM PST
I finished with the dinner
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by antoniof123 November 8, 2007 3:19 PM PST
You know with TopProphet out there I wouldn''t vote for Ron Paul if he was the only one running.

I am voting Democrat this election and for a long time to come. The greed over principal party has really left a bad taste in my mouth.

The value of the Dollar in the toilet, our reputation as a nation in the toilet, and the list just goes on and on.

This is the legacy of the Republican party, they know what is best for America they are the decider''s.

Now I see why our parents never let them get any real power after 1954.
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by topprophet November 8, 2007 3:25 PM PST
Most intelligent people can see right through the mainstream media''s bias against Ron Paul. "What about the polls?", you ask. As someone who''s been in the business, I know you can make a poll result look anyway you want. CBS News doesn''t even put him on the list of GOP candidates that pollees to choose from. Then they report he scores "0%." You can see the man has support. He''s won ALL of the viewer call-in polls in ALL of the GOP debates he''s been in. People everywhere are in the street, and on the Net, supporting him like no other. And his campaign chest is growing daily, and not from huge corporate donations like the other GOP and Democratic party candidates get from defense contractors and bankers, but from grass root supporters who give what little they can afford--$5, $10, whatever. This is a 21st Century political revolution, my friends, and the Oligarchs or on the defensive. Ignore what the media network giants like CBS tell you. They sold-out to the status quo decades ago. This man has some major grass roots support across this country. Millions of Americans believe he is our only hope to restore peace, prosperity and freedom in this country. Presidential candidates with the personal integrity and proven track record of adherance to The Constitution Congressman, Paul has always demonstrated only come around only once in a lifetime, if we''re lucky. The stakes are too high. The cause of freedom is too important. Get off your couch, put the remote down and support Ron Paul!
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by topprophet November 8, 2007 3:28 PM PST
ILLEGAL CAMPAIGN DONATIONS? HAPPENS ALL THE TIME
On Sept. 20, CBS News (quietly) reported that Hillary Clinton''s campaign fundraiser Norman Hsu was being charged in New York with running a ponzi scheme that also involves illegal campaign contributions to her presidential campaign. He was a leading money bundler for Clinton, and had actually earned the nickname, "HillRaiser" from Hillary for his efforts at collecting donations for her. Ultimately, her campaign was forced to return ($850,000) in donations that were linked to Hsu. Afterwards, Clinton promised, "stricter scrutiny of donors." Hsu was actually a wanted fugitive, with an outstanding Felony Warrant, the entire time he worked for Clinton. Hsu''s ponzi scheme involved getting people to invest in what appeared to be a lucrative financial investment while at the same time getting those individuals to donate money to Hillary Clinton''s presidential campaign. Hsu was wanted in California on charges stemming from a 15-year-old Felony Theft conviction. Shouldn''t we demonize Hillary, like CBS is (clearly) attempting to demonize Ron Paul? I''m suprised CBS doesn''t Photoshop some devil horns on top of his head in that worst possible photograph they always use of him. The fact is, folks, no candidate can control who does, and who doesn''t donate money to their campaign. Candidates can only return money when they discover that it has been somehow donated illegaly. At least Paul doesn''t staff his campaign with CRIMINALS LIKE HILLARY does.
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by November 8, 2007 3:31 PM PST
Candide777, totally agree. These creeps have been spamming on comment sections for weeks about him. He is going to be losing votes instead of gaining any. But that might be the conspiracy to begin with. People making others think they are on his side, but in reverse they are ticking other people off instead.....
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by topprophet November 8, 2007 3:36 PM PST
The main thing Dr. Paul''s campaign has done thus far is to serve as a clearinghouse for voters like me who feel unrepresented by New World Order Fasciscts (mainstream Republicans) and their Socialist comrades in crime (mainstream Democrats). They''re actually one and the same. It''s all a phony, poorly staged left-right paradigm. Most people, though, are too distracted, dumbed-down, or outright brainwashed by mainstream media, which endlessly regurgitates scientifically-crafted streams of information aimed at keeping their eyes closed to the realities of the world around them, that they fail to recognize this. Those currently in power, and those being groomed to take [major] political power, are preselected by the "global elite," and whomever is eventually elected, will ultimately, serve their will, and not ours. People on the right and those on the left have many differences, maybe irreconcilable ones. But they have a lot of common beliefs too, and their numbers and anger are of a considerable magnitude. No matter what happens in 2008, I personally believe Ron Paul will influence the national conversation about what the role of the federal government is, how much power the government should have over our lives and how much liberty we should give up for security. These are important issues, and frankly, no one''s talking about them as seriously and sincerely as Ron Paul. What''s for sure is that his growing army of supporters like me will be a force to be reckoned with in 2008.
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by topprophet November 8, 2007 3:38 PM PST
Most intelligent people can see right through CBS News'' bias against Ron Paul. "What about their polls?", you ask? As someone who''s been in the business, I know you can make a poll result look anyway you want. CBS News doesn''t even put him on the list of GOP candidates that pollees can choose from. Then they report he scores "0%" in their tally. You can see the man has support. He''s won ALL of the viewer call-in polls in ALL of the GOP debates he''s been in. People everywhere are in the street, and on the Net, supporting him like no other. And his campaign chest is growing daily, and not from huge corporate donations like the other GOP and Democratic party candidates get from defense contractors and bankers, but from grass root supporters who give what little they can afford--$5, $10, whatever. This is a 21st Century political revolution, my friends, and the Oligarchs or on the defensive. Ignore what the media network giants like CBS tell you. They sold-out to the status quo decades ago. This man has some major grass roots support across this country. Millions of Americans believe he is our only hope to restore peace, prosperity and freedom in this country. Presidential candidates with the personal integrity and proven track record of adherance to The Constitution Congressman, Paul has always demonstrated only come around only once in a lifetime, if we''re lucky. The stakes are too high. The cause of freedom is too important. Get off your couch, put the remote down and support Ron Paul!
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