A Recipe For Republican Recovery

National Review Online: With Clinton Topping The Democratic Ticket, The GOP Will Have Hope

(National Review Online)  This column was written by Jim Geraghty.

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Gloom hangs over Republicans when they think of next year’s elections - but it shouldn’t. The sea change in political fortunes between 2004 and 2006 should not remind Righties only that the winds can change quickly - from a supportive breeze at your back, to a gale-force wind in your face - they should also be reminded that the political landscape can get better fast, too.

Next year could be a surprisingly good one for the GOP, though it’s clearly not guaranteed. The party will need good candidate recruitment, message discipline, a clear, unifying agenda, and a bit of good luck. But on a wide variety of fronts, there are pieces of good news that are overshadowed by the mainstream media’s preferred “Democratic-Tsunami Part Two” narrative.

Presidency

The Democratic party faces a choice: Their field includes one of the most charismatic and likeable figures to come along in politics in a long time, who attracts thousands at every campaign stop, and has generated enormous enthusiasm among young people. It also includes a smooth-talking populist who could go to any red-state district and campaign with the Democrat and help that candidate, whose wife has the rare ‘two-fer’ appeal of being beloved by the hardcore antiwar base, and simultaneously the subject of enormous public sympathy for her fight against cancer.

Naturally, the Democrats appear set to nominate the woman who can’t top 50-percent in a head-to-head match-up against Ron Paul.

Can Hillary Clinton win a red state? In spite of Howard Dean’s insistence that the party needs a 50-state strategy, and that Democrats should contest as many states as possible, it’s unlikely she’ll put more than a handful of states that voted for Bush in play.

Ohio? She could win, but it will once again be down to the wire. Pollster Scott Rasmussen finds that against each of the four leading Republican hopefuls, Clinton’s support from Ohio voters is in the mid-forties, ranging from a low of 42-percent against John McCain, to a high of 46-percent against Mitt Romney. In the latest batch, she beats Fred Thompson and Romney, and loses to Rudy Giuliani and McCain. Forty-eight percent of Ohio voters have a favorable opinion of Clinton while 50-percent have a negative view. Barring any sudden changes, the Buckeye state will be as competitive as 2004.

Florida? It, too, will probably be competitive down to the wire. A Survey USA poll, released on November 1, has Hillary leading all of the GOP contenders, but Giuliani and McCain are within the margin of error. Quinnipiac’s late October poll found essentially the same results with Giuliani leading her narrowly, McCain within one percent and Thompson within five percent.

Maybe Hillary will outperform John Kerry in a couple of the Southwestern states that were relatively close last time around. Though, if most of the map stays the same, without Ohio or Florida, the Democratic nominee would have to sweep New Mexico, Colorado, and Nevada.

(In an October memo aiming to persuade folks that Clinton can win the West, Mark Penn wrote, “Hillary is winning the general election in New Mexico, a state which Bush won in 2004, and in California, Oregon and Washington. Together with Hawaii, this means Hillary Clinton is starting with two-thirds of the electoral votes in the West.” Yes, but Al Gore won all of those and Bush won New Mexico’s five electoral votes by 1-percent, so she’s doing about the same as either losing Democratic candidate of the past two cycles. The same memo notes that she leads Rudy Giuliani by two points in Oregon, and contends “because of her unique ability to take advantage of changing demographics, Hillary can also turn Colorado, Arizona, Nevada, and Montana from Red to Blue” without citing any polling numbers.)

There are two upsides to Hillary’s nomination: First is that she’s beatable; the second is that a figure so thoroughly disliked by half the country is just about incapable of a winning in a landslide, barring some third-party faction breaking away from the GOP. Hitting 270 electoral votes is extremely achievable for any of the top tier Republican candidates.

House of Representatives

The Democrats won back the majority in the House in 2006 by doing well in districts that are unfamiliar territory for them: Two Arizona seats, which Bush carried by 52.9 and 54-percent in 2004, and Kansas seat that Bush carried with 59-percent of the vote. In addition, there was Heath Shuler’s North Carolina-11 seat that Bush carried with 57-percent. They had a couple of right-leaning districts fall in their laps because of scandals - Mark Foley’s Florida-16 seat, Tom DeLay’s Texas-22 seat, Don Sherwood’s Pennsylvania-10.

There are a couple of House Democrats who won reelection by the skin of their teeth in 2006, when they had a gale-force wind at their back. In Georgia, John Barrow won the 12th District race by just 864 votes of more than 142,000 cast, and Jim Marshall secured the 8th District seat by only 1,752 votes of nearly 160,000 votes cast.

A massive chunk of the House Democratic caucus is running in Bush country, heartland communities that Hillary probably won’t sell well in: In 2008, 70 Democrats will be running for reelection in districts Bush won in 2004. Four House Republican-held seats are in districts won by Kerry.

How would you like to be one of these freshmen House Democrats seeking your first reelection bid with Hillary Clinton at the top of the ticket? While all of the GOP candidates have their strengths, how would you feel seeing a southern or western GOP nominee Fred Thompson, Mike Huckabee, or John McCain coming in for a rally for your Republican rival, blasting away the Democrats as the party of gun control, taxpayer-funded abortion, driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants and activist liberal judges?

(There are also a few Hillary-vulnerable Democrats in blue state districts, too.)

You think the Democrats planned on having an 11-percent approval rating? This is now way beyond some short-lived swoon. Only one poll since May has had Congress’ approval above 30 percent.

The Democrats have thrown away most of the reform issues that helped them a lot with independents: lobbying reform, ethics rules, earmarks, lack of disclosure, junkets, etc. The “culture of corruption” narrowly outranked terrorism on the list of voter concerns in 2006. Barring any last-minute passage of rules changes, no Democrat will be able to run for reelection on the message, “we cleaned up Washington” without triggering derisive and skeptical laughter from voters.

How many independents and soft Republicans decided to give the Democrats a shot after a year in which scandals consumed Duke Cunningham, Bob Ney, Tom DeLay, etc.? Keep in mind, Republican challengers will be running against Washington, and declaring inside-the-Beltway Republicans as part of the problem. The NRCC is telling them to do this.

The Democrats will not enjoy the advantage of being the party of reform this cycle; mystifyingly, they’re not acting like they’re worried.

Senate

Are there big challenges here? Sure. Keeping the open seat in Virginia will be supremely tough. Retirements in New Mexico and Colorado put the GOP on defense more than they would like.

But if 2008 were shaping up to be the year of the Second Democratic Tsunami, why is Colorado - a state in which Democrats have had success for two straight cycles - a dead heat? (Also note the state has 130,000 more registered Republicans than Democrats.)

In New Hampshire, John Sununu will have a tough reelection fight, but challenger Jeanne Shaheen has gone from a big 15 point lead to 5 points. Sununu’s a savvy enough veteran campaigner to keep this race close.

Democrats blew their shot at Nebraska when Bob Kerrey declined to run for the open seat left by Chuck Hagel. In New Mexico, the Republicans are likely to have a divided two-candidate primary, while the Democrats have a three-way primary.

In Maine, Susan Collins was supposed to be vulnerable, but an October poll commissioned by Daily Kos put her ahead of Democratic challenger Tom Allen 56 percent to 33 percent.

The Democrats are likely to nominate a comedian, Al Franken, in a blue state seat in Minnesota. With a real candidate - even with your standard issue Democratic House member with some serious legislative accomplishments - Republican Norm Coleman would be seriously vulnerable. Instead, the state’s Democrats appear hell-bent on nominating a guy known for being funny with a 27-percent approval rating. (Coleman’s at 52 percent.)

But there are opportunities for pickups, too. We’re all happy Sen. Tim Johnson is on the mend, but the guy has had a near-fatal health scare and long, arduous recovery. There’s room for a gentle, “it’s time for Tim Johnson to focus on his recovery, and for South Dakotans to get a senator who can focus full-time on their needs” campaign in the state in which Republicans knocked off Tim Daschle in 2004, and Johnson squeaked by with 524 votes in 2002.

In Arkansas, Mark Pryor will have trouble with the Hillary factor, and if Huckabee’s presidential aspirations fall short, and he’s not the nominee’s running mate, he would be an extraordinarily strong Senate candidate. In Louisiana, Mary Landrieu is running in a state with vastly fewer registered Democrats than it had before Hurricane Katrina.

In 2006, Democrats got every break they could in their Senate races, often coming in states that would ordinarily be rough territory for them. Jim Webb just barely beat George Allen in Virginia by 0.38 percent; Jon Tester just barely beat Conrad Burns in Montana by a little over 3,000 votes out of nearly 400,000; and Claire McCaskill beat Jim Talent by about 49,000 votes out of more than 2 million. Maybe the Democrats will get all of the breaks next year, too, but everybody’s luck changes eventually.

Issues

Iraq: Put aside the positive results in the surge, even though the results are so striking that the Washington Post finally had to put it on the front page.

How, exactly, is Hillary Clinton supposed to campaign as the candidate who will get the U.S. out of Iraq, when she couldn’t say she would get the troops out by 2013? Do even Gen. David Petraeus or John McCain want a U.S. troop presence five years from now?

A Republican candidate can and should come out and say,

Do I want to see U.S. combat troops out of Iraq by 2013? Yes. I’d like to get all the duties turned over to the Iraqis long before that. Is my aim to do that? Yes. Can I guarantee it? No, no candidate truly knows what the future holds. But Hillary Clinton can’t guarantee it either.

Katrina: Remember when Democrats were supposed to use Katrina as a bludgeon against GOP candidates as the ultimate failure of Republican government? Tell that to Louisiana’s new Republican governor Bobby Jindal. Tell that to Haley Barbour, who cruised to re-election as governor of Mississippi. In the Democracy Corps poll, when independents and Democrats were asked separately why the country was moving in the wrong direction, "Government failed on Katrina" came in last among independents at 13-percent and last among Democrats at 15-percent. The issue has come and gone.

Immigration: This is an issue that has only gotten bigger and more passionate for the past five years. It mobilizes the Republican base like nothing else - witness the grassroots efforts against the amnesty deal this year - and the Democrats are absolutely split on this; Democratic pollsters/strategists Stan Greenberg, Al Quinlan, and James Carville call it “a real wedge issue.” They found that “even with the reassurance on [border] control and [denying] benefits, 40 percent of Democrats and a majority of African Americans favored the tougher Republican alternative that provided no path to legalization.”

While Iraq and Katrina are fading as issues, this one only gets bigger: Independents rank “the border left unprotected” their top concern, higher than “Doing nothing about dependence on oil/global warming” by nine points, higher than “losing jobs to China and India” by thirteen points, higher than “government is running record budget deficits” by fourteen points, and higher than “bogged down and spending billions in Iraq” by 17 points.

Why did Hillary equivocate and dance so much when she was asked about New York Governor Eliot Spitzer’s plan to offer driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants? Because she knows the issue is political nitroglycerin, and she and Spitzer are on the wrong side of three quarters of Americans.

As Michael Barone says, it’s not 2006 anymore. That doesn’t guarantee that 2008 will be better, but it’s a possibility.

[itchyb-2009]

I have no idea what they smoke at NRO, but it must be good stuff. The GOP will be beaten like rented mules in ''08. Run with Bush, go down with Bush.

[clestes-2009]

You idiots just don''t get it. The American people are going to reject republicans as the party of failure. There has not been a single success the Bush admin can point to.

And more stupidly than ever, all the rep candidates except Ron Paul are lining up under the same failed banner.

The American people are not going to vote for Hillary or whoever gets the nomination, you dumbsh*ts, they are going to vote AGAINST ANYTHING REPUBLICAN or they will not vote at all.

Not a single rep candidate has anything new to offer and after 8 years of escalating debt, thousands US dead soldiers and nothing but more of the same in the future, YOU ARE FINISHED!!

The neo con movememt will merit a chapter in the history books under how to take a positive country and trash it in 8 years.

The American peopole are more afraid of more of the same leadership than they are of Hillary or Obama or John

[terrapin78]

Just like election night 2006, Faux News was spinning the numbers saying things like'' The losses are no that significant" etc. Attempting to minimize the true reality.

So goes the NRO. After getting trounced again, they will still be in denial after the election 2008!

LOL

[tylenol6]

Everyone knows by now: REPUBLICANS = PEDOPHILES

[Razzl]

This kind of partisan spin reminds me of the Gary Larson "far side" cartoon about what dogs hear: the voters are going to listen to all this type of NRO hooey from Republican spinmeisters but they will hear "blahblahblahBUSHblahblahblahIRAQblahblahblahCHENEYblahblahblahIRAN..." How many states do you think that will carry?

[gkc99]

What a hoot! The Mouth of Sauron thinks they can scare Dems with this kind of crapola. Don''t throw me in dat dere briyer patch, Mr. ***!

Can you say "madam President"? If not, better start practicing, Neoconscum!

[andor3]

hehehe like the NRO has any credibility except bad. Like anyone sees them associated with anything other than unrelenting advocacy of a failed and damaging philosophy and valueless agenda.

These guys are losers and have backed the losing idea consistently.

[quatrops]

As General Custer (hmm . . another failed George!) might have said, "Go get ''em, boys! They nuthin'' but a bunch of red-skinned savages anyway! You kin beat ''em!"

[walt1944-2009]

The Great Emperor Bush II is pleased, as he usually is, with the article from the NRO telling the Fascist GOP to remain hopeful.

Of course, one wonders what drugs the people working for the NRO on on? Perhaps they have discovered Rush Limbaugh''s cache or are using his source! The article states that there is much for Republicans to be hopeful for and the GOP has a solid chance for a "recovery". One is reminded of the delusions the Nazis had in 1945 with the "thousand year Reich" collapsing all around them (like the Great Emperor Bush II''s foreign and domestic policies) and the insane hope they had that western allies would become allies of the Nazis to stop the Soviets.

Perhaps the people at the NRO expect neocon extraterristrials to land on the White House grounds and ally themselves with the Great Emperor, exterminate all "terrrrrorists", real and imaginary, exile all the evil liberal Democrats (except Joe Liebermann) to Pluto, and crown the Great Emperor Bush II as the Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler of the Universe (like Ming the Merciless!)!

SIG HEIL, BUSH!!!

[frankly6]

The Republican party suffers from terminal, criminal, incompetence and arrogance as illistrated by their blind support for Bu$h and his policies. If theirs any hope for them it''s to return to practicing it''s core principles rather than sloganeering.

[adian1-2009]

Jim, stop dreaming! We are just fed up. We just have become tired of so much corruption and so much non-achievement in the Republican field. You better get ready for the most shameful beating you Republicans will experience next November ''08. You do not even have a viable presidential hopeful that can claim honesty, save Mr. Thompson. McCain, Giuliani, Romney? Three incompetent. dishonest demagogues! You should devote some time to ideate a nice epitaph!

[brianbwb-2009]

We can only hope that the NRO is, as usual, wrong, but I see an opportunity for the fascists to twist recent events, and blame the democrats for failing to stop them and their drive towards the demise of America as a nation,or even a concept.

I can see it now, "Don''t vote for Clinton, she supported Bush''s war", and "don''t support the Democrats, they refused to debate impeaching Cheney".

Sounds crazy, but don''t laugh yet, the rumblings are already beginning...

[briannorwood]

Look, Bush has managed to maintain a steady 30% approval rating for the last three years-- a disapproval rating matched only by Nixon just before his resignation.

The Commander in Chimp will be like an an anchor on a sinking ship for the GOP.

We are just so damned sick and tired of war, terror, and all those stupid pseudo-moral issues stuffed down our throats!

Recipe for the Republicans? If you want a winner, switch parties!

[glb1969]

Spoken like the true liars that all republicans are. This guys party is already dead, he''s snorting something so powerful he can''t even keep up with current events. Wake up and sniff reality for what it is dude, the republican party is as dead as slavery and no amount of shenanigans or foul play will make it breathe again.

[ianlou]

You idiots just don''t get it. The American people are going to reject republicans as the party of failure. There has not been a single success the Bush admin can point to.
Posted by clestes at 03:11 PM : Nov 07, 2007

I disagree, they succeeded at:
$Getting $Rich$,
$Trashing the constitution
$Ruining our domestic manufacturing base
$Converting the value of our money to chump change
$Mortgaging our country up to $30,000 per citizen
$Trashing international relations to the point that only the country spawning the 9/11 terrorists will still hold our hand.
And resurrecting the phrase "Let them eat cake" by
allowing the run away costs of:
$Health care
$College tuition
$Energy in all forms

No, as Prickks they have a lot to be proud of.

[roger3815]

Divorcing themselves from religious nut jobs and giving up the war on *** would do wonders for them. Their bizarre obsession with the *** is long tired. Here''s a thought offer realistic solutions to real problems. Stop chasing toothless monsters with plastic swords.

[roger3815]

When did g a y s become a word that needed to be censored?

[mocalleo]

Since comparing republicans vs. democrats is an argument which never goes anywhere,
let%u2019s instead compare democrat vs. democrat..
let%u2019s say Clinton vs. J.F. Kennedy.

The CLINTON and CURRENT Democrat philosophy on governing/government is:

1)%u201CBig Government will provide for you%u201D, &
2)%u201CFrom cradle to grave, Big Government will take care of you%u201D, &
3)%u201CIt takes a Village%u201D(Big Government)

WHEREAS J.F. KENNEDY said :
%u201CAsk not what your country can do for you, but rather what you can do for your country%u201D

These two philosophies (both democrat) are complete polar opposite of each other.

I would much rather be a J.F. Kennedy democrat than a Clinton socialist.

J.F. Kennedy also instituted tax cuts on the top rates to spur a sluggish economy.(hmmmm%u2026%u2026.sounding familiar)

Sounds like the NeoCommies and MoveOn.org have hijacked a democrat party
that I once knew and respected.

But I%u2019m not a republican, so what%u2019s an average American supposed to do ??

.

[jbs6]

His LITANY should probably be sung to that old Jerry Jeff Walker tune ''... Pissin'' in the wind, an'' it''s blowin'' on alla my friends, ...Jest Pissin'' in the wind.."

[mcvet]

The Fear from the Fascist Right is so thick you can feel it. Just look at what the Religious Reich did Yesterday... Robertson gave his support to a Liberal Republican from New York he''s so scared of Hillary. Now ANYONE who can put the kind of fear into these creatures she does has got to be the person for the job. Go Hillary!!

[clestes-2009]

These bozos at NRO, Weekly Standard, etc are not paying attention to the obvious signs of what the American people are thinking.

In the 2007 VA election this week, democrats took control of the senate and gained another 4 seats in the house. VA used to be a safe republican state. NO MORE!!

The rep govn of KY was defeated. The rep govn of Mississippi retained his seat, but that was a lone bright spot for the reps.

The signs are everywhere that Americans are NOT HAPPY. We are worried about the economy, the war in Iraq, we DO NOT WANT another war in Iran and the rep seem determined to start one.

They are finished and could be out of power for decades.

[ianlou]

I care more about the health of Charlie Manson than...
"A Recipe For Republican Recovery"

[drivelphobe]

Any Republican can be president if they will take a believable stand against illegal immigration. Why don''t they get it? Deport, terminate all benefits, eliminate sanctuary cities, and start jailing and fining anyone who promotes, aids, harbors or in any way provide support for these criminals.

The illegal alien issue is larger than any other because every American citizen has personally been negatively affected by illegals. Many experience their invasive, offensive presence on a daily basis and they have had enough of it.

Illegals are ruining our country, our health care delivery system, our culture, our neighborhoods, our law enforcement system, our language, our economy and at the same time creating a mood of anticipated violence and insurrection. The increasing disgust for politicians and their personal agendae which are directly opposite of the will of the people and the laws of our land, will result in the demise of many political careers. They just don''t get it and it would be so simple to just do the right thing.

We need a true leader, but where can we find one? Is Huckabee the one?

[mocalleo]

Since comparing republicans vs. democrats is an argument which never goes anywhere,
let%u2019s instead compare democrat vs. democrat..
let%u2019s say Clinton vs. J.F. Kennedy.

The CLINTON and CURRENT Democrat philosophy on governing/government is:

1)%u201CBig Government will provide for you%u201D, &
2)%u201CFrom cradle to grave, Big Government will take care of you%u201D, &
3)%u201CIt takes a Village%u201D(Big Government)

WHEREAS J.F. KENNEDY said :
%u201CAsk not what your country can do for you, but rather what you can do for your country%u201D

These two philosophies (both democrat) are complete polar opposite of each other.

I would much rather be a J.F. Kennedy democrat than a Clinton socialist.

J.F. Kennedy also instituted tax cuts on the top rates to spur a sluggish economy.(hmmmm%u2026%u2026.sounding familiar)

Sounds like the NeoCommies and MoveOn.org have hijacked a democrat party
that I once knew and respected.

But I%u2019m not a republican, so what%u2019s an average American supposed to do ??

.

[logicanada]

There is no ''recipe'' for the Repugnant party. It was prepackaged in 1992 in an ugly little box labeled neo-con and hidden on the shelves to await Georgie Porgie to cook it up. The ingredients are the same but the puggin'' and pie went stale long ago. The U.S. needs new ingredients.

[drivelphobe]

mocalleo...

A very good post. It seems that good leaders, Democrat or Republican, have a sense for what is good for the country at the time. The political tide ebbs, and somewhere in the middle it works well.

What does the average American do? Maybe with lots of phone calls, emails and letters, the voices will be heard, but more important, listened to.

It seems that nothing matters more to the politicians other than their continued employment, pension building, networking, gift-taking and perks.

The USA is falling apart under the noses of arrogant, self-serving leadership, all of whom have sufficient assets to insulate themselves from the perils which the average American faces with certainty.

Save your money and keep physically fit.

[alanrobisch]

There is no ''''recipe'''' for the Repugnant party. It was prepackaged in 1992 in an ugly little box labeled neo-con and hidden on the shelves to await Georgie Porgie to cook it up. The ingredients are the same but the puggin'''' and pie went stale long ago. The U.S. needs new ingredients.

Posted by logicanada at 02:43 PM : Nov 08, 2007

Do you live in the US can you vote does any of this affect you why the h are you so concerned that republicans not win the presidency?

[alanrobisch]

I care more about the health of Charlie Manson than...
"A Recipe For Republican Recovery"


Posted by ianlou at 11:52 AM : Nov 08, 2007

So why post?

[quatrops]

Robisch''s tribal mindset rears its head again (at least with some brevity this time).

Why, indeed, would a Canadian resident be concerned about contemporary American politics? Perhaps for the same reason as someone from Japan, Indonesia, or Mali. They look at what has happened to this country since the neo-cons hi-jacked the Republican party seven years ago and recognize the threat to themselves and the world that signifies.

More than 9/11, more than Islamo-fascism . . . they recognize the Armageddon-portending possibilities extant when the world''s remaining super-power is in the hands of incompetents and proto-fascists.

You probably consider yourself ready for Armageddon, the Rapture and all those delightful events you seem to believe are inerrantly promised in Revelation, but perhaps those pagan foreigners (is that redundant in your mind?)aren''t sure they are included in the 144,000

Sadly, I just realized there wouldn''t even be room for all the 194,254 homeless American veterans. At least 54,254 would have to be "Left Behind"!

[aldee41]

The next President will be a Democrat.
Chose wisely. Chose Richardson.

[logicanada]

alanrobisch2 . . . no i don''t live in the us. I, like a lot of others who post on the net am a citizen of the world. I know it''s hard for some Americans to think beyond your own borders, and sometimes beyond your own selfishness, but what Bush has done has effected many people in many countries and none of it is good. Troops from many other countries, including Canada have died in the name of Bush''s knee jerk reactions for the past five years. Every thing that goes around comes around. The U.S is feeling that now in it''s economy, it''s international prestige and in it''s inner pride. Do you think there would be discussion like this on the net if the Dems, or someone other than Bush/Cheney were in office.(I wont say ''elected'' because they weren''t - Bush''s people stole this election and are no different that Musharraf Castro, or Chavez.)If the Repubs carry on they will destroy all gains made by all countries. Ask around. Any non-americans out there agree?

[quatrops]

I''m not a "non-American", logicanada, but a penchant for world travel has put me in 30+ countries through the years. And, I''ve been fortunate enough to develop friends/correspondents in some of those.

Bless them, they still continue to write . . . although awkwardly sometimes, because they are aware of my shame about what has happened in my country over the past 7 years. Like you, they find it difficult to understand how such a great country could humiliate itself in such a short time.

[alanrobisch]

Bless them, they still continue to write . . . although awkwardly sometimes, because they are aware of my shame about what has happened in my country over the past 7 years. Like you, they find it difficult to understand how such a great country could humiliate itself in such a short time.


Posted by Quatrops at 08:03 PM : Nov 09, 2007
+ report

Typical liberal blame america first and of course a citizen of the world who agrees with you is welcome. I enjoy meeting people of the world I meet in one day more than you probably have in a year. they come here for a better life yet If I beleive you there is nothing good here. The last seven years have certain been a time of testing but to be ashamed of your own country is typical of liberals when their party isn''t in power. were you ashamed of bill when he had s"x with Monica or when he asked for the meaning of is. Puhleeze there are lots of reasons to be proud and sad
of our country. the visitors and immigrants to this country don''t feel this way. Certainly the 12 million hispanics don''t feel that way who came here despite the dangers and stay here even though it is illegal

[alanrobisch]

The next President will be a Democrat.
Chose wisely. Chose Richardson.


Posted by aldee41 at 11:42 AM : Nov 09, 2007

you''re probably right and I agree I think bill Richardson would make a good president.

[quatrops]

The Book says something about bearing false witness.

In "I meet more (people of the world) in one day than you probably have in a year", robisch implies some special knowledge of where I live and how I spend my day. He possesses neither.

This lie is yet another example of picking and choosing factual info (and creating "fact" where none exists) in order to build a tight little box of "truth" to encapsulate a pre-conceived notion. Readers of these posts, particularly those many who have been subjects of his derisions, are all too familiar with "alan-speak".

He would have us believe he sits in his SSA cubicle, and after his morning coffee, New York Times, and NRO, welcomes a steady stream of immigrants who came here to rejoice in our freedoms rather than earn $ to take or send back home. One can almost picture Mount Holly as the new Ellis Island!

If one chooses to believe that the rest of the world is not fearful of what has happened to this country in the past seven years, so be it. If one chooses to keep his eyes closed and sneer at progressives who are pointing out that the emporer has no clothes, so be it. But, please, don''t suggest that the rest of us should emulate you.

[quatrops]

Re "liberals", s-x, and Clinton(s):

Most of the people I know could have cared less what Bill and Monica did or didn''t do. Were we ashamed that he lied under oath. Yes. But even more so that his response to the sexually-obsessed Republicans was not that the subject was of proper concern only to Lewinsky, himself, and his wife. And then he should have walked out of the witch trial and refused ANY further comment.

We were the laughing stock of other nations NOT because of what Clinton did, but because of the Republican obsession with it and with the American media''s obsession with the obsessive Republican response, etc. etc..

Anywhere else in the world, the sexual escapades of national leaders would have warranted no coverage at all except perhaps a "filler" on page 18. An exception to this might be the UK, where in several cases, cold-war espionage was the concern; and, of course, the "Royals". But the "National Enquirer" mindset of the British print media is a laughing-stock of its own.

If it wasn''t so bloody sad, the hypocracy of the can''t-keep-it-in-your-pants Republicans is truly laughable. We''re into double-digit numbers here, so you can fill in your own names.

The subconscious anxieties of cons and neo-cons that compel them to attach the "cry baby" sobriquet whenever they use the term "liberal" is a subject for another time (I''ll bet you just can''t WAIT!!!)

[jon2012-2009]

Quatrops, I share your disappointment in the current state of affairs we find our country among the rest of the world. I don''t think as alanrobisch2 claims it''s because the sitting president is a Republican and I''m still sore about that. Although Americans are divided badly about this president, the rest of the world is not. Same with such issues as the war in Iraq and global warming. You can call us divided as a society--that''s one way to call it and that''s putting it neutrally. Another way to call it is that the Republicans have been taken over by extremists who see no other way but their own. Democrats stand with the rest of the world.

[quatrops]

You nailed it, jon2012, particularly your last two sentences.

Democrats have a wide range of differences with each other, but that''s as it should be. We don''t march in lockstep. Neither did the pre-neo-con Republicans!

I believe any of the current crop of Democratic candidates will win in 2008. I''m less comfortable with Clinton than some of the others. I sense she is more "into" power than most, but that can be a good thing in a CEO. Her policies are on target.

My reasoning is that there are fewer disenchanted Republicans that would vote for her, and more importantly, fewer independents. I''d love to see a massive "sweep" in 2008, and in any close races for House and Senate, her "coat-tails" would be less likely to make a difference.

Anyway, let''s all pray that we make it through the next 437 days without Cheney ordering a strike on Iran.

194,254 homeless American veterans slept on the streets of our country last night.