Bush Pledges To Help Turkey Fight Kurds
President Tries To Forestall Incursion Into Iraq In Talks With Turkish Prime Minister
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President Bush, right, meets with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan in the Oval Office of the White House in Washington, Monday, Nov. 5, 2007. (AP)
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Members of the Kurdish Communities of the U.S. take part in a demonstration in front of the White House in Washington, Monday, Nov. 5, 2007, ahead of President Bush's meeting with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds)
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Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan will meet with President Bush at the White House Monday as the U.S tries to persuade Turkey against a cross-border attack on Kurdish rebels. (CBS)
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In an Oval Office session, Bush offered intelligence sharing to help combat the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK. Bush also said top military figures from the United States and Turkey would be in more regular contact in an effort to track the movement of the guerrilla fighters.
"I made it very clear to the prime minister that we want to work in a close way to deal with this problem," Bush told reporters.
With Turkish troops massed on the border of his country, Erdogan is weighing a major cross-border attack against PKK rebels in northern Iraq. The guerrillas have killed more than 40 Turks in the past month in cross-border raids, and pressure is growing on Erdogan to hit back.
The White House worries a Turkish incursion into Iraq could bring instability to what has been the calmest part of Iraq, and could set a precedent for other countries, such as Iran, that have conflicts with Kurdish rebels.
Yet when asked about the possibility of Turkey attacking Iraq, Bush dismissed the question as hypothetical.
He tried instead to assure Turkey that the United States is providing support.
"It's fine to speculate about what may or may not happen," Bush said. "But nothing can happen until you get good intelligence. We need to know where people are hiding, and we need to know what they're doing."
It is widely thought that the bulk of the PKK forces, which traditionally halts operations in the winter because of supply and logistical difficulties, had scattered as far as southern Iraq, as well as melting into the populations of large cities in the north.
Erdogan said in advance of meeting Bush that he was expecting it to result in "solid steps" from the United States. Their meeting came a day after the PKK released eight soldiers it had been holding for two weeks since their capture in an ambush inside Turkey along the Iraqi border.
Bush noted that Erdogan's government had consulted the United States about getting the soldiers released.
"There is at least one effective measure for people in Turkey to see, that when we work together, we can accomplish important objectives," Bush said.
We are at the point where words have been exhausted and where there is need for action.
Turkish Foreign Minister Ali Babacan"We are at the point where words have been exhausted and where there is need for action," Babacan said Friday.
Turkish leaders have signaled that a decision on what to do about the rebels may hinge on what Erdogan can bring back from Washington to a Turkish public that favors military action in Iraq.
"Rice's visit only raised expectations in Turkey," said Bulent Aliriza, director of the Turkey project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington think tank. "If President Bush does not make clear that he is willing to take direct action against the PKK or make the Iraqi Kurds take such action, Erdogan may not be able to resist a military operation."
The PKK, which has fought for autonomy for Turkish Kurds since 1984, is labeled a terrorist group by Europe and the United States. Turkey has complained for years that the United States has not done enough to end PKK activity Iraq's autonomous Kurdish north. The issue has enraged Turks and moved public opinion against the United States.
Mark Parris, a U.S. ambassador to Turkey in the Clinton administration and now a visiting fellow at the Brookings Institution, said that Monday's meeting would be the last chance for the Bush administration to repair strained relations with Ankara.
"If Erdogan hears something relatively reasonable and concrete you can put this relationship back together," Parris said. "If not, that effort might have to wait for a new administration."
The Bush administration worries that a cross-border incursion would bring instability to what has been the calmest part of Iraq, and could set a precedent for other countries, such as Iran, that have conflicts with Kurdish rebels. For weeks, the Bush administration has stressed the need for a diplomatic solution between Turkey and Iraq.
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See all 154 CommentsThe Emperor is confident that the Turks will listen or they will end up on the Emperor''s list of potential countries in need of invasion also. Currently, the list reads:
CERTAINTY: IRAN
PROBABLY: SYRIA, MYAMAR(BURMA), NORTH KOREA, VENEZUELA
WATCH: EGYPT, LYBIA, SUDAN, ETHIOPIA
Quite an empire the Great Emperor intends to create, and all of it using Blackwater "Contractors"!
SIG HEIL, BUSH!!!!
The situation has gone way past diplomacy. The guerrillas will not stop of their own accord and Turkey cannot tolerate any more raids.
Here in UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,if something does not appear in the New York Times or mentioned on Fox News, it did not exist. For instance, it is reported that our fearless leader believes the Constitution is little more than a worthless piece of paper. %u201CLast month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act,%u201D writes Doug Thompson for Capitol Hill Blue. %u201CGOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.%u201D Thompson reports the following exchange:
%u201CI don%u2019t give a *******,%u201D Bush retorted. %u201CI%u2019m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.%u201D
%u201CMr. President,%u201D one aide in the meeting said. %u201CThere is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.%u201D
%u201CStop throwing the Constitution in my face,%u201D Bush screamed back. %u201CIt%u2019s just a ******* piece of paper!%u201D
%u201CI%u2019ve talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution %u2018a ******* piece of paper.%u2019%u201D Thompson adds.
Associated Press Writer
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) %u2013 The whitehouse government of embattled President bush said Thursday it may impose a state of emergency due to ``external and internal threats'''''''''''''''' and deteriorating law and order.
including from Democratic presidential hopeful Barak Obama, over the possibility of U.S. military action against al-Qaida in Pakistan ``has started alarm bells ringing and has upset the Pakistani public.''''''''''''''''
But it appeared the motivation for a declaration of an emergency would be the domestic political woes of
President bush
During a state of emergency, the government can restrict the freedom to move, rally, engage in political activities or form groups and impose other limits such as restricting congress right to make laws or even dissolving congress
``These are only unconfirmed reports although the possibility of imposition of emergency cannot be ruled out and has recently been talked about and discussed, keeping in mind some external and internal threats and the law and order situation,bush told The Associated Press.
In Washington, the State Department said . ``
Bush is under growing American pressure to crack down on militants at the Afghan border because of fears that al-Qaida is regrouping there.
The Bush administration has also not ruled out unilateral military action inside america but like Obama, has stressed the need to work with the americans.
They''re making all the noise they can to get the US to do Turkey''s part in the same way Israel makes noise to get US soldiers to die for her.
The pressure to adapt should be on Turkey instead of the Kurds. The Turks are behaving the same way they did during the Ottoman Empire and that has to come to an end.
If the Kurds are more upset at Turkey than they ever were with Saddam it''s got to be for a very good reason.
The Turks were ruthless during the Ottoman Empire and they''re still going at it.
These people need to be put in their place.
now bushit is trying to protect PKK kurd terrorists in northern iraq - turkey, like israel has a right to prtect her citizens from harm.
the "global war on terror" is a very subjective affair.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
- Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Propaganda minister
"That propaganda is good which leads to success, and that is bad which fails to achieve the desired result. It is not propaganda''s task to be intelligent, its task is to lead to success."
- Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Propaganda Minister
"The government will make use of these powers only insofar as they are essential for carrying out vitally necessary measures...The number of cases in which an internal necessity exists for having recourse to such a Law is in itself a limited one."
- Adolf Hitler
Does that ring any bells? It should, folks. It''s nearly the same promise that George Bush made to us support of the John Warner Defense Authorization Act, one of the many Orwellian Laws which Senators Clinton, Obama and McCain all voted in favor of in the Senate.
"Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal."
- Martin Luther King Jr.
"The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home."
- James Madison
"We have nothing to fear but fear itself, and those who would exploit our fear for power and their own personal, selfish, cynical gain."
- Franklin D. Roosevelt
You''ll doing it all wrong. You got to create a homeland security thing, come up with all the color codes, scare the heck out of them with terrorist talk, and then they''ll be eating out of your hands.
Heck, they even let me invade a country, hehehe.
But doubtless the Turks can be "pacified" the same way we''re "pacifying" the Sunnis--big sacks of U.S. taxpayer dollars.
Bushit got us into this mess, but we''re going to have to buy our own ways out.
Too bad the Dems under Pelosi have turned out to be so gutless, an impeachment proceeding against Bushit could have at least kept the little monkey tied up, whereas now he''s free to cause more mischief worldwide before he''s out of there (assuming he agrees to go--we certainly couldn''t expect any help from Pelosi in forcing him out after he seized permanent power)!
The unrest and violence in Iraq is a direct cause of Bush''s stupid invasion of 2003. The unrest and violence in Iraq is a direct reason the PKK are running loose along the Turkish Iraq border, causing mayhem. Bush can do nothing to stop the unrest and violence in Iraq and nothing to stop the PKK and therefore Turkey is going to do exactly as it pleases, and is not likely to consider the wishes of the US in any way. After all, the US did not consider Turkey''s wishes when it foolishly started the current round of problems in 2003.
Iraq is a quagmire, Turkey wants to invade Iraq and Pakistan is out of control. Sounds like just the right time to start another war by attacking Iran. is probably what is running through Bush''s feeble mind.
Thank God, the Patriot Act is finished in 2012. Dispite the fact that rep held Congress and the Whitehouse, it was never passed into law. Seems kind of prophet, like it was never meant to be.
Posted by NYCProphet at 12:57 PM : Nov 05, 2007
Another unabomber manifesto.
Oh God look at what this administration intelligence did to us. Don''t listen to her and her intelligence or you will be attacking Antarctica. God this is the dumbest and worst administration in history.
Can someone provide a reputable source that could prove a worst administration. I am not talking about inbreed monarchies I am talking about supported administrations in the US.
Just dont trick me ok?
This group is consistent they screw up and want everyone else to fix it for them they they try to take credit. You know when I think back on it before the Republican revolution in 1994 this country was doing pretty good. After that and after Clinton who kept them in check things went to hel1.
Right wing Jewish terrorist groups still on our State Dept''s terrorist list, supported by right wing Americans & zionist Isrealites,, destroyed President Clintons success on achieving peace between Isreal & Palestine with the Oslo Accords.
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Posted by simonsez40 at 03:03 PM : Nov 05, 2007
It seems to me that Libya and North Korea are two pretty good examples of why YOU ARE SUCH AN IDIOT!
Sorry Zipperheads, you already set that precedent when you invaded Afganistan and Iraq... How quickly the GOP forgets!
IT WAS THE CORRECT THING TO DO THEN,,, AND IT IS THE CORRECT THING TO DO NOW,,,
And again 100 years ago with Theodore Roosevelt
Tunisia in 1881 by France and Libya in 1911 by Italy. By then most of the Islamic world was under Christian domination. With the Ottoman Empire defeated in WW1, secularist Turkish rebels in 1923 overthrew the last Islamic Caliphate,
America and the Barbary Pirates: An International Battle Against an Unconventional Foe
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/jefferson_papers/mtjprece.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
What Thomas Jefferson learned from the Muslim book of jihad
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan07/jeff_quran.htm
muslim justifies slavery and piracy%u2026
http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?6bdec278-6a71-4436-bc4d-29d1c54b0ad7
MUSLIM PIRATES STRIKE AGAIN
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2005/06/muslim-pirates-strike-again.html
But with regard to non-Muslims who are at war with the Muslims and do not have a peace treaty with the Muslims or are not living under Muslim rule, then Muslims are commanded to kill them, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
%u201CFight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you%u201D [al-Tawbah 9:123]
http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=11406&ln=eng&txt=kill
And good Bush has put this out front. We wouldn''t want Israel to raise a stink dropping bombs on Syria to escape detection. Is the IDF using US Americans beauty pageant maps and can''t stay on course?
Posted by Rickstas at 05:08 PM : Nov 05, 2007
Actually, it''s the stupidity of the people who just keep swinging at "Curve Balls" and seem to like to learn everything the hard way.
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