WASHINGTON, Nov. 5, 2007

Bush Pledges To Help Turkey Fight Kurds

President Tries To Forestall Incursion Into Iraq In Talks With Turkish Prime Minister

    • President Bush, right, meets with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan in the Oval Office of the White House in Washington, Monday, Nov. 5, 2007. Photo

      President Bush, right, meets with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan in the Oval Office of the White House in Washington, Monday, Nov. 5, 2007.  (AP)

    • Members of the Kurdish Communities of the U.S. take part in a demonstration in front of the White House in Washington, Monday, Nov. 5, 2007, ahead of President Bush's meeting with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Photo

      Members of the Kurdish Communities of the U.S. take part in a demonstration in front of the White House in Washington, Monday, Nov. 5, 2007, ahead of President Bush's meeting with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.  (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds)

    • Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan will meet with President Bush at the White House Monday as the U.S tries to persuade Turkey against a cross-border attack on Kurdish rebels. Photo

      Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan will meet with President Bush at the White House Monday as the U.S tries to persuade Turkey against a cross-border attack on Kurdish rebels.  (CBS)

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(CBS/AP)  President George W. Bush on Monday pledged fresh help to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan in fighting Kurdish rebels, declaring them "an enemy of Turkey, a free Iraq and the United States."

In an Oval Office session, Bush offered intelligence sharing to help combat the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK. Bush also said top military figures from the United States and Turkey would be in more regular contact in an effort to track the movement of the guerrilla fighters.

"I made it very clear to the prime minister that we want to work in a close way to deal with this problem," Bush told reporters.

With Turkish troops massed on the border of his country, Erdogan is weighing a major cross-border attack against PKK rebels in northern Iraq. The guerrillas have killed more than 40 Turks in the past month in cross-border raids, and pressure is growing on Erdogan to hit back.

The White House worries a Turkish incursion into Iraq could bring instability to what has been the calmest part of Iraq, and could set a precedent for other countries, such as Iran, that have conflicts with Kurdish rebels.

Yet when asked about the possibility of Turkey attacking Iraq, Bush dismissed the question as hypothetical.

He tried instead to assure Turkey that the United States is providing support.

"It's fine to speculate about what may or may not happen," Bush said. "But nothing can happen until you get good intelligence. We need to know where people are hiding, and we need to know what they're doing."

It is widely thought that the bulk of the PKK forces, which traditionally halts operations in the winter because of supply and logistical difficulties, had scattered as far as southern Iraq, as well as melting into the populations of large cities in the north.

Erdogan said in advance of meeting Bush that he was expecting it to result in "solid steps" from the United States. Their meeting came a day after the PKK released eight soldiers it had been holding for two weeks since their capture in an ambush inside Turkey along the Iraqi border.

Bush noted that Erdogan's government had consulted the United States about getting the soldiers released.

"There is at least one effective measure for people in Turkey to see, that when we work together, we can accomplish important objectives," Bush said.

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We are at the point where words have been exhausted and where there is need for action.

Turkish Foreign Minister Ali Babacan
During a trip to Turkey last week, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice promised to redouble efforts against the PKK. But her Turkish counterpart, Foreign Minister Ali Babacan, made clear his government was not satisfied.

"We are at the point where words have been exhausted and where there is need for action," Babacan said Friday.

Turkish leaders have signaled that a decision on what to do about the rebels may hinge on what Erdogan can bring back from Washington to a Turkish public that favors military action in Iraq.

"Rice's visit only raised expectations in Turkey," said Bulent Aliriza, director of the Turkey project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington think tank. "If President Bush does not make clear that he is willing to take direct action against the PKK or make the Iraqi Kurds take such action, Erdogan may not be able to resist a military operation."

The PKK, which has fought for autonomy for Turkish Kurds since 1984, is labeled a terrorist group by Europe and the United States. Turkey has complained for years that the United States has not done enough to end PKK activity Iraq's autonomous Kurdish north. The issue has enraged Turks and moved public opinion against the United States.

Mark Parris, a U.S. ambassador to Turkey in the Clinton administration and now a visiting fellow at the Brookings Institution, said that Monday's meeting would be the last chance for the Bush administration to repair strained relations with Ankara.

"If Erdogan hears something relatively reasonable and concrete you can put this relationship back together," Parris said. "If not, that effort might have to wait for a new administration."

The Bush administration worries that a cross-border incursion would bring instability to what has been the calmest part of Iraq, and could set a precedent for other countries, such as Iran, that have conflicts with Kurdish rebels. For weeks, the Bush administration has stressed the need for a diplomatic solution between Turkey and Iraq.

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by mcvet November 5, 2007 10:28 AM PST
Who''s going to believe George W. Bush? At this point who in their right minds listens to him on the subject of stopping a War. The MORON obviously has NO idea how to do that... Start wars that don''t have to be? He''s REAL good at that but NOT starting them? He hasn''t a clue!! Sieg Heil Bush
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by prinzowhales November 5, 2007 10:37 AM PST
CondumLizard offered to "redouble" US efforts against its armed and trained PKK assets?--I don''t know what mathematical system she is using...but isn''t zero times zero, still zero?
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by afmca November 5, 2007 10:42 AM PST
Unfortunately Bush is confused again. Being so close to Thanksgiving he thinks he going to meet so he can get his free Turkey for this year. Imagine the confusion of the Turkish Prime Minister when Bush keeps asking how a turkey can be a terrorist?
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by walt1944-2009 November 5, 2007 11:09 AM PST
The Great Emperor Bush II is going to visit Turkey to prevent Turkey from invading Northern Iraq. The Emperor''s message to Turkey will be clear: IRAQ IS MINE! If you want to invade someone, invade southern Russia, but don''t invade Iran, because the Emperor already has invasion plans drawn up for Iran.

The Emperor is confident that the Turks will listen or they will end up on the Emperor''s list of potential countries in need of invasion also. Currently, the list reads:

CERTAINTY: IRAN
PROBABLY: SYRIA, MYAMAR(BURMA), NORTH KOREA, VENEZUELA
WATCH: EGYPT, LYBIA, SUDAN, ETHIOPIA

Quite an empire the Great Emperor intends to create, and all of it using Blackwater "Contractors"!

SIG HEIL, BUSH!!!!
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by ramos937 November 5, 2007 11:23 AM PST
The PM will have to hear of concrete steps guaranteed to stop the raids. Anything else will not do. In that case, Turkey will invade and stop the raids itself and neither the US or Iraq can do a thing to stop that.

The situation has gone way past diplomacy. The guerrillas will not stop of their own accord and Turkey cannot tolerate any more raids.
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by forthepeopl1 November 5, 2007 11:58 AM PST
Bush Trashes Constitution, Few Notice, What else is the media hiding??

Here in UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,if something does not appear in the New York Times or mentioned on Fox News, it did not exist. For instance, it is reported that our fearless leader believes the Constitution is little more than a worthless piece of paper. %u201CLast month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act,%u201D writes Doug Thompson for Capitol Hill Blue. %u201CGOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.%u201D Thompson reports the following exchange:
%u201CI don%u2019t give a *******,%u201D Bush retorted. %u201CI%u2019m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.%u201D
%u201CMr. President,%u201D one aide in the meeting said. %u201CThere is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.%u201D
%u201CStop throwing the Constitution in my face,%u201D Bush screamed back. %u201CIt%u2019s just a ******* piece of paper!%u201D
%u201CI%u2019ve talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution %u2018a ******* piece of paper.%u2019%u201D Thompson adds.

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by forthepeopl1 November 5, 2007 12:07 PM PST
United States May Declare State of Emergency


Associated Press Writer
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) %u2013 The whitehouse government of embattled President bush said Thursday it may impose a state of emergency due to ``external and internal threats'''''''''''''''' and deteriorating law and order.
including from Democratic presidential hopeful Barak Obama, over the possibility of U.S. military action against al-Qaida in Pakistan ``has started alarm bells ringing and has upset the Pakistani public.''''''''''''''''
But it appeared the motivation for a declaration of an emergency would be the domestic political woes of
President bush
During a state of emergency, the government can restrict the freedom to move, rally, engage in political activities or form groups and impose other limits such as restricting congress right to make laws or even dissolving congress
``These are only unconfirmed reports although the possibility of imposition of emergency cannot be ruled out and has recently been talked about and discussed, keeping in mind some external and internal threats and the law and order situation,bush told The Associated Press.

In Washington, the State Department said . ``
Bush is under growing American pressure to crack down on militants at the Afghan border because of fears that al-Qaida is regrouping there.
The Bush administration has also not ruled out unilateral military action inside america but like Obama, has stressed the need to work with the americans.



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by goodsamarata November 5, 2007 12:28 PM PST
So after committing genocide against the Armenians, and getting into a war with the Kurds killing more than 30,000 people Turkey is still considered a "valuable ally".
They''re making all the noise they can to get the US to do Turkey''s part in the same way Israel makes noise to get US soldiers to die for her.
The pressure to adapt should be on Turkey instead of the Kurds. The Turks are behaving the same way they did during the Ottoman Empire and that has to come to an end.
If the Kurds are more upset at Turkey than they ever were with Saddam it''s got to be for a very good reason.
The Turks were ruthless during the Ottoman Empire and they''re still going at it.
These people need to be put in their place.
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by neoconrcrazy November 5, 2007 12:44 PM PST
The failed Bush War in iraq, his first step in "re-shaping" the ME and eliminating "terrorists", has taken a strange turn -

now bushit is trying to protect PKK kurd terrorists in northern iraq - turkey, like israel has a right to prtect her citizens from harm.

the "global war on terror" is a very subjective affair.

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by nycprophet November 5, 2007 12:46 PM PST
Right alongside the widely-held notion that man is somehow to blame for global warming and that we should therefore pay a global Carbon Tax administered by the U.N., when I think about the myth that is our the "Global War on Terrorism," the following two quotes come to mind:

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
- Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Propaganda minister

"That propaganda is good which leads to success, and that is bad which fails to achieve the desired result. It is not propaganda''s task to be intelligent, its task is to lead to success."
- Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Propaganda Minister
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by nycprophet November 5, 2007 12:50 PM PST
Following the Reichstag Fire, a historically-proven act of False Flag Terrorism which Hitler''s own party staged to encite fear in the German population, Hitler promoted the Enabling Act, which is eerily similar, in many ways, to our own John Warner Defense Authorization Act, which gives the President the power to suspend Congress, The Constitution, and to impose Martial Law following any event he or she deems an "emergency." Here''s what Hitler told the German people:

"The government will make use of these powers only insofar as they are essential for carrying out vitally necessary measures...The number of cases in which an internal necessity exists for having recourse to such a Law is in itself a limited one."
- Adolf Hitler

Does that ring any bells? It should, folks. It''s nearly the same promise that George Bush made to us support of the John Warner Defense Authorization Act, one of the many Orwellian Laws which Senators Clinton, Obama and McCain all voted in favor of in the Senate.

"Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal."
- Martin Luther King Jr.

"The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home."
- James Madison

"We have nothing to fear but fear itself, and those who would exploit our fear for power and their own personal, selfish, cynical gain."
- Franklin D. Roosevelt
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by nycprophet November 5, 2007 12:54 PM PST
Within every generation, our country has had many weird and backward Laws, the sort of legal aberrations like our Patriot Act and the John Warner Defense Authorization Act represent, which make it more expedient for a President to wield power and for a lazy Congress and Senate to seem assertive. John Adams had his Alien and Sedition Acts, which invited suspicion of immigrants and criminalized any critical opinion of the government. Massacring Indians was a favorite sport of Andrew Jackson''s, but in order to indulge it he had to act as if Supreme Court decisions had the legal standing of a fugitive slave. His contempt was infectious. "The farce of dealing with Indian tribes," as Jackson put it, meant that none of the 374 treaties signed with Native Americans by 1868 were worth more than the feathers they were inked with. By then, the nation got busy dealing with the farce of Reconstruction, when lawmaking turned its deceptive wiles on blacks, a political pastime that continues to this day with such legal sophistries as affirmative action and the gerrymandering of "majority-minority" voting districts -- two effective ways of patronizing black participation in society while isolating it in politics. All legal, all seemingly constitutional, for now.
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by jerr11 November 5, 2007 12:54 PM PST
Bush to Erdogan,

You''ll doing it all wrong. You got to create a homeland security thing, come up with all the color codes, scare the heck out of them with terrorist talk, and then they''ll be eating out of your hands.

Heck, they even let me invade a country, hehehe.

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by nycprophet November 5, 2007 12:57 PM PST
In addition to authorizing another $532.8 billion for the Pentagon, including a $70-billion "supplemental provision" which covers the cost of the ongoing, mad military maneuvers in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other places, the John Warner Defense Authorization Act, signed by the President in a private White House ceremony, further collapses the historic divide between the police and the military: a tell-tale sign of a rapidly consolidating police state in America, all accomplished amidst ongoing U.S. imperial pretensions of global domination, sold to an "emergency managed" and seemingly willfully gullible public as a "global war on terrorism." Make no mistake about it: the de-facto repeal of the Posse Comitatus Act is an ominous assault on American democratic tradition and jurisprudence. The 1878 Act, which reads, "Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the Laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both." It is the only U.S. criminal statute that outlaws military operations directed against the American people under the cover of "Law enforcement." As such, it has been the best protection we''ve had against the power-hungry intentions of an unscrupulous and reckless President who may be intent on using force to enforce his or her own will.
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by nycprophet November 5, 2007 1:01 PM PST
The John Warner Defense Authorization Act, which was supported by Clinton, Obama and McCain, also facilitates militarized police round-ups and detention of protesters, so called "potential terrorists" and other "undesirables" for detention in facilities already contracted for and under construction by Halliburton. That''s right. Under the cover of a trumped-up "emergency," detention camps are being constructed right under our noses, camps designed for anyone who resists the foreign and domestic agenda of the President. The Journal of Counterterrorism & Homeland Security International recently reported that "global engineering and technical services powerhouse, Kellog, Brown & Root, a subsidiary of Halliburton, announced in January 2006 that its Government and Infrastructure division was awarded an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity contract to support U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement facilities in the event of an emergency." "With a maximum total value of $385 million over a five year term," the report notes, "the contract is to be executed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers," "for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations - in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs." New Programs?
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by nycprophet November 5, 2007 1:05 PM PST
Section 1076 of the massive John Warner Defense Authorization Act, which grants the Pentagon another $500-plus-billion for its ill-advised adventures, is entitled, "Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies." Section 333, "Major public emergencies; interference with State and Federal Law" states that "the President may employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to restore public order and enforce the Laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of ("refuse" or "fail" in) maintaining public order, "in order to suppress, in any State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy." For the current President, "enforcement of the Laws to restore public order" means to commandeer guardsmen from any state, over the objections of local governmental, military and local police entities; ship them off to another state; conscript them in a Law enforcement mode; and set them loose against "disorderly" citizenry - protesters, possibly, or those who object to forced vaccinations and quarantines in the event of a bio-terror event.
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by j-whitman November 5, 2007 1:08 PM PST
What do we hear from Anbar today ????? They want Americans to invest in their oil reserves ----- They don''t have that much oil...... Anyone see another Bush scam in progress here ???
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by nycprophet November 5, 2007 1:09 PM PST
With the full support of Senators Clinton, Obama and McCain, President Bush recently signed into Law the John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007, which, according to Senator Leahy (D-Vermont), will actually "encourage the President to declare Martial Law." It does so by revising the Insurrection Act, a set of Laws that limits the President''s ability to deploy troops within the United States. The Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C.331 -335) has historically, along with the Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C.1385), helped to enforce strict prohibitions on military involvement in domestic Law enforcement. With one cloaked swipe of his pen, Bush is seeking to undo those prohibitions. Public Law 109-364, or the John Warner Defense Authorization Act (H.R.5122) (2), which was signed by the President in a private Oval Office ceremony, allows the President to declare a "public emergency" and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of your Governor or local authorities, in order to "suppress public disorder." President Bush seized this unprecedented power on the very same day that he signed the equally odious Military Commissions Act. In a sense, the two Laws compliment one another. One allows for torture and detention abroad of those who dissent and are stripped of their citizenship, while the other seeks to enforce acquiescence at home, preparing to order the military onto the streets of America.
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by nycprophet November 5, 2007 1:13 PM PST
Under The Patriot Act, the government''s Law enforcement branches have used their prosecutorial discretion to target citizens who voice their dissent. The Law enforcement targeting of citizens who exercise their First Amendment rights to freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion since 9/11 is certainly no exception. The oxymoronically-named Patriot Act section 802 defines domestic terrorism so broadly that it could apply to an individual exercising his or her freedom of speech, expression, and assembly through acts of civil disobedience. In June 2004, Buffalo, New York, artist Steve Kurtz was detained by Law enforcement and had his home searched by FBI agents. Despite finding only harmless paints, which Kurtz uses in his politically motivated art projects. The FBI proceeded with a Grand Jury hearing to indict Kurtz under the Patriot Act''s biological agents provision. The Justice Department frequently uses Section 805 of the Patriot Act, "Material Support for Terrorism," to imply that a person has some link to terrorism. Georgetown Law Professor David Cole''s May 5, 2004, testimony before the U.S. Senate Committee on the Judiciary explains that "in many cases, those who have been charged with material support have done nothing more sinister than to exercise their First Amendment right to freedom of speech or freedom of association." It gets worse.
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by nycprophet November 5, 2007 1:16 PM PST
Are we a Nation of Laws? Consider the Patriot Act. The Law is 342 pages long, or 57,000 words, making it a bit longer than Dostoevsky''s "Notes from Underground" or, if you''re partial to pigs, about twice the size of Orwell''s "Animal Farm." The Patriot Act is the reigning champion of our government''s un-American activities. When it was first paraded before Congress and the Senate following the 9/11 attacks. Few Members, other than Congressman, Ron Paul, who dissaproved of its Draconian provisions, voted against it. Most in Congress simply gave it a rubber-stamp of approval for fear of appearing "unpatriotic" to their constituents during our national moment of crisis. Now in effect, the Law wrecks a generation''s worth of constitutional protections against government snooping, legalizing police-state tactics in searches and seizures, criminalizing certain forms of speech and political activity, and opening the way for the mistreatment of foreigners in government custody and wholesale expulsions and imprisonment. It is a repugnant, unnecessary Law that goes against the very principles its name stands for. Yet, it remains unchecked and unbalanced by public opinion, lawmakers or the Courts. So, yes, we''re a nation of Laws. But the Laws aren''t much to speak of when they''re designed to hoodwink the public and win its docility. Neither is public responsibility much to speak of these days when its docility is secured with nothing more than a ploy-riddled play on the word "patriot."
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by nycprophet November 5, 2007 1:20 PM PST
Since its first meeting over 50 years ago, the Bilderberg Group, a secretive gathering of global power brokers, which includes Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, et.al., has inspired layer upon layer of ridicule. In recent times, the deeds laid at the group''s doorstep have included the creation of the European Union, the invasion of Iraq as well as the group''s current efforts to create a North American Union, which will erase U.S. borders and national sovereignty. All to service its most cherished goal: the creation of a world government. After it was reported that a well-received speech by Senator John Edwards at their meeting in Stresa, Italy, was one reason for his selection as John Kerry''s vice-presidential running mate in 2000, people began to ask, "Is the Bilderberg Group now molding the worldwide political scene?" Over 120 of the world''s most powerful monarchs, politicians and business leaders attend the annual, invitation-only gatherings to discuss global issues and to formulate their own policy objectives. The hotels involved are closed-off to other guests, and to reporters. Guards are placed around the perimeter. Attendees promise to keep quiet about what they hear and say. "They do not have to sign anything, but they understand that they do not talk," said Maja Banck-Polderman, the organization''s Secretary. Tony Gosling, a British reporter who has followed the group says, "I think that a forum where so many rich and powerful people meet should be open to public scrutiny."
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by nycprophet November 5, 2007 1:23 PM PST
I predict that in the near future Earth will be dominated by a powerful, one world government. Once free nations are slaves to the will of a tiny, global elite. The dawn of a new dark age is upon mankind. Countries are a thing of the past. Every form of independence is under attack, with the family, even the individual itself, nearing extinction. Close to 80% of the earth''s population has been eliminated. The remnants of a once free humanity are forced to live within highly controlled, compact, prison-like cities. Travel is highly restricted. Superhighways connect the mega-cities and are designed to keep the population from entering into unauthorized zones. No human activity is private. Artificially intelligent super computers chronicle and catagorize a person''s every action. A prison planet run by a ruthless gang of control freaks, whose power can never be challenged, will dominate. This is the vision of Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, and their fellow members of The Bilderberg Group. Their goal: a program of total dehumanization, where the science of tyranny is Law. A worldwide control grid, designed to ensure the overlords'' monopoly of power forever. Our species will be condemed to this nightmare future unless the masses are awakened to their New World Order master plan, and mobilized to defeat it. Erected secretly, the Georgia Guide Stones are a testament to their totalitarian plan for a world religion; global Laws; a global court; and a global army to enforce those Laws.
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by nycprophet November 5, 2007 1:27 PM PST
Sadly, even though Clinton voted for the war in Iraq, and a host of Laws aimed at removing your liberties, so many Democrats are blinded by her cult of personality that I predict they will overwhelmingly vote to put her crime family back into office. While I''ve made some progress in educating Liberals as to the phony staged consensus of the left-right paradigm, the fact remains that a majority of Democrats still see the White House as some kind of political Super Bowl, where the success of their "team" is the be all and end all - to the expense of America as a whole. The Punch and Judy show theatre that was the "troop surge" debate in the Senate characterizes Hillary''s role in hoodwinking Americans perfectly. The debate is framed as not whether the U.S. should get out of the Middle-East altogether, but the relative minutia of whether to feed thousands of more troops into the meat grinder or not. Clinton''s Campaign Manager recently compared Hillary to Margaret Thatcher, which translates as more war, more dead Americans, and a further desecration of the tattered shreds of what''s left of our Constitution. Clinton is the ultimate global elitist and represents the Democrats supposed base, the poor and downtrodden, about as much as Lindsay Lohan represents grace and dignity. I''m sure she informed the likes of David Rockefeller and Queen Beatrix as to her presidential aspirations during her last visit to attend the Bilderberg Group conference, which brings me to my next prediction.
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by nycprophet November 5, 2007 1:30 PM PST
My fellow Americans just don''t seem to care that our nation, along with The Constitution upon which it was founded, is being flushed-down the NWO toilet by our nations'' bought and paid for politicians and media. While the Oligarchs warn and insite fear in the sheeple about the prospect of terrorism, they at the same time leave our border wide open, and fund and conduct illegal wars overseas that do nothing but encite the terrorism which their Orwellian Laws like the Patriot Act and the John Warner Defense Authorization Act pretend to protect us from. Wake up America! It''s not about protecting you from terrorism, or saving the planet from Global Warming, or any of that other fear-mongering garbage the sold-out, mainstream media feeds you 24/7. It''s about feeding the bankers and the military industrial complex, and facilitating the global elite''s ability to ratchet-down control over the American people, placing us into a total control grid where they can surveille, track and control everywhere we go and everything we do. It''s the groundwork for totalitarianism. It''s the New World Order plan of Bush, Clinton, Edwards, McCain, Giuliani, et.al., being executed quite beautifully. You''re a frog in a pot. In order to cook a frog, you don''t throw him into a pot of boiling water. If you do, he''ll resist and jump-out. What you do instead is, you turn the heat-up REAL SLOW, and by the time the water is boiling he won''t be able to jump out anymore, because it''s too late--he''s already doomed.
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by gkc99 November 5, 2007 1:38 PM PST
Let''s hope Erdogan just reminds Bushit of the "Bushit doctrine" of pre-emptive invasion.

But doubtless the Turks can be "pacified" the same way we''re "pacifying" the Sunnis--big sacks of U.S. taxpayer dollars.

Bushit got us into this mess, but we''re going to have to buy our own ways out.

Too bad the Dems under Pelosi have turned out to be so gutless, an impeachment proceeding against Bushit could have at least kept the little monkey tied up, whereas now he''s free to cause more mischief worldwide before he''s out of there (assuming he agrees to go--we certainly couldn''t expect any help from Pelosi in forcing him out after he seized permanent power)!
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by j-whitman November 5, 2007 1:47 PM PST
gkc99,,,, You say gutless ??? --- I would call it attempting to restore some nature of honor to our government & not further embarassing our nation in the eyes of the world ------ Problem with that is this GOP has no honor,,,, they are already dreaming up reasons for impeacing the democrat winner
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by clestes-2009 November 5, 2007 1:48 PM PST
There is nothing Bush can do to salvage the Turkish Kurd situation. He has blown his wad in Iraq. He has systematically lied to everyone from the Iraqi people to the American people to the Turkish people about why he is in Iraq, supporting the PKK against Turkey. Because that is what he is doing, although he may not say so or even see it that way.

The unrest and violence in Iraq is a direct cause of Bush''s stupid invasion of 2003. The unrest and violence in Iraq is a direct reason the PKK are running loose along the Turkish Iraq border, causing mayhem. Bush can do nothing to stop the unrest and violence in Iraq and nothing to stop the PKK and therefore Turkey is going to do exactly as it pleases, and is not likely to consider the wishes of the US in any way. After all, the US did not consider Turkey''s wishes when it foolishly started the current round of problems in 2003.

Iraq is a quagmire, Turkey wants to invade Iraq and Pakistan is out of control. Sounds like just the right time to start another war by attacking Iran. is probably what is running through Bush''s feeble mind.
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by clestes-2009 November 5, 2007 1:55 PM PST
NYCProphet,

Thank God, the Patriot Act is finished in 2012. Dispite the fact that rep held Congress and the Whitehouse, it was never passed into law. Seems kind of prophet, like it was never meant to be.
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by mbcsmith November 5, 2007 1:57 PM PST
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Posted by NYCProphet at 12:57 PM : Nov 05, 2007

Another unabomber manifesto.
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by antoniof123 November 5, 2007 2:19 PM PST
Rice said the U.S. was considering sharing more intelligence and information with Turkey and said she had begun talking with Turkish leaders about long term solutions.

Oh God look at what this administration intelligence did to us. Don''t listen to her and her intelligence or you will be attacking Antarctica. God this is the dumbest and worst administration in history.

Can someone provide a reputable source that could prove a worst administration. I am not talking about inbreed monarchies I am talking about supported administrations in the US.
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by simonsez40 November 5, 2007 3:03 PM PST
Putting BUSH and NEGOTIATE in the same sentence is comical.................Bush couldn''t negotiate himself out of a wet paper bag!
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by j-whitman November 5, 2007 3:35 PM PST
I''m suprised Bush didn''t bring his electric carving knife to the meeting & ask where the turkey was.
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by tburzio November 5, 2007 3:36 PM PST
This whole mess was caused by Nancy Pelosi having her period and forcing the genocide resolution. Shouldn''t have women in charge.
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by hillaryin08 November 5, 2007 3:39 PM PST
vote for me, vote for me and I will really fight a war for oil vote for meeeeeeee

Just dont trick me ok?
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by j-whitman November 5, 2007 3:40 PM PST
tburzio,,,,, Climb back into the laundrymat dryer & put more quarters in. Go for a few more spins
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by j-whitman November 5, 2007 3:44 PM PST
hillaryin08,,,, Oil tricks ??? -- Anbar is asking for more money & trying to get American investments in their oil reserves ----- They don''t have that much oil or resreves in Anbar -------- Notice a Bush oil scam in progress ????? -- You should keep focused on the problems the GOP is creating
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by antoniof123 November 5, 2007 4:06 PM PST
It starts the idiots in charge now realize that they have to keep everyone out of Iraq which they broke until after election in 2008 then they can say we left it and it was just broken now look how bad you broke it.

This group is consistent they screw up and want everyone else to fix it for them they they try to take credit. You know when I think back on it before the Republican revolution in 1994 this country was doing pretty good. After that and after Clinton who kept them in check things went to hel1.
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by j-whitman November 5, 2007 4:20 PM PST
antoniof123,,,, Let''s look a minute at what else happend in 1994

Right wing Jewish terrorist groups still on our State Dept''s terrorist list, supported by right wing Americans & zionist Isrealites,, destroyed President Clintons success on achieving peace between Isreal & Palestine with the Oslo Accords.
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by mbcsmith November 5, 2007 4:31 PM PST
Putting BUSH and NEGOTIATE in the same sentence is comical.................Bush couldn''''t negotiate himself out of a wet paper bag!


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Posted by simonsez40 at 03:03 PM : Nov 05, 2007

It seems to me that Libya and North Korea are two pretty good examples of why YOU ARE SUCH AN IDIOT!
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by boatdocster November 5, 2007 4:31 PM PST
"The White House worries a Turkish incursion into Iraq could bring instability to what has been the calmest part of Iraq, and could set a precedent for other countries, such as Iran, that have conflicts with Kurdish rebels."

Sorry Zipperheads, you already set that precedent when you invaded Afganistan and Iraq... How quickly the GOP forgets!
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by j-whitman November 5, 2007 4:31 PM PST
Current Pew Poll --- Only 25% of Americans admit to being republican.
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by terrorislam4 November 5, 2007 4:40 PM PST
THOMAS JEFFERSON KICKED FASCIST NAZI TERRORISLAMIST ARSES 200 YEARS AGO,,,

IT WAS THE CORRECT THING TO DO THEN,,, AND IT IS THE CORRECT THING TO DO NOW,,,

And again 100 years ago with Theodore Roosevelt
Tunisia in 1881 by France and Libya in 1911 by Italy. By then most of the Islamic world was under Christian domination. With the Ottoman Empire defeated in WW1, secularist Turkish rebels in 1923 overthrew the last Islamic Caliphate,

America and the Barbary Pirates: An International Battle Against an Unconventional Foe
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/jefferson_papers/mtjprece.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
What Thomas Jefferson learned from the Muslim book of jihad
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan07/jeff_quran.htm
muslim justifies slavery and piracy%u2026
http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?6bdec278-6a71-4436-bc4d-29d1c54b0ad7
MUSLIM PIRATES STRIKE AGAIN
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2005/06/muslim-pirates-strike-again.html


But with regard to non-Muslims who are at war with the Muslims and do not have a peace treaty with the Muslims or are not living under Muslim rule, then Muslims are commanded to kill them, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
%u201CFight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you%u201D [al-Tawbah 9:123]
http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=11406&ln=eng&txt=kill
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by zootallures2 November 5, 2007 5:05 PM PST
But it''s all US weapons fighting US weapons. Let me guess... all comunicating over Motorola systems?

And good Bush has put this out front. We wouldn''t want Israel to raise a stink dropping bombs on Syria to escape detection. Is the IDF using US Americans beauty pageant maps and can''t stay on course?
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by rickstas November 5, 2007 5:08 PM PST
This is amazing because when the same Kurds attacked Sadaam Hussein and he went after them, the U.S. and their allies decided he needed to be removed from power and hanged. The hypocracy here is unbelievable!
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by laprophet November 5, 2007 5:13 PM PST
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by zootallures2 November 5, 2007 5:14 PM PST
This is amazing because when the same Kurds attacked Sadaam Hussein and he went after them, the U.S. and their allies decided he needed to be removed from power and hanged. The hypocracy here is unbelievable!

Posted by Rickstas at 05:08 PM : Nov 05, 2007

Actually, it''s the stupidity of the people who just keep swinging at "Curve Balls" and seem to like to learn everything the hard way.
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by petesis November 5, 2007 5:14 PM PST
Gee just like Saddam used to do. What another surprise.
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