WASHINGTON, Nov. 4, 2007
Remembering Paul Tibbets
Schieffer: The Pilot Who Dropped The Bomb On Hiroshima Means Something
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Death Of Atomic Bomb Pilot
Bob Schieffer comments on the largely unpublicized death of Paul Tibbets, the pilot who dropped the first atomic bomb on Japan in World War II.
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In this undated handout picture from the U.S.Army Air Force, the ground crew of the Enola Gay B29 bomber which bombed Hiroshima, Japan on Aug. 6, 1945 with the "Little Boy" atomic bomb, stands with pilot Col. Paul W. Tibbets, center, in the Marianas Islands. (AP/U.S. Army Air Force)
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Hiroshima & Nagasaki
The world's first and only atomic bombings devastate two cities and bring World War II to an end.
On August 6, 1945, a pilot named Paul Tibbets climbed into a plane named for his mother and flew to Japan on what would be one of the most famous flights in aviation history. The plane was the Enola Gay, and on board was the first atomic bomb ever used in war, which would be dropped directly over city hall in a place called Hiroshima.
In an instant, more than 100,000 people were killed or wounded. Many were vaporized. More would die from radiation poisoning.
The bomb and another dropped at Nagasaki brought an end to the war. And the coming of atomic power marked a turning point in the 20th century.
Tibbets became a national hero, and he expressed no regrets, then or later. He felt the bomb had saved more lives than would have been lost had the war gone on. But as the years passed, the bombing became so controversial that he asked that he be cremated when he died for fear protesters would deface a gravestone.
Yet, when he died last week, his passing drew little comment. His obituary was buried deep inside the major newspapers, and TV gave his passing less coverage than the death of singer Robert Goulet.
In a nation where the median age is now 35, the name Paul Tibbets meant nothing to many.
Not so for those of a certain age. For us, it is a somber reminder that the war we can still remember is getting to be a long time ago.
By Bob Schieffer
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For what it is worth, I can understand the reasoning he had. I know it was a time of fear and hard choices. But I do not consider what he did heroic.
It was and will always remain the most INFAMOUS FLIGHT THERE EVER WAS.
Was it necessary? I don''t think so. Drop the bomb on an emptied city, and use the Dresden and Toyko bombings to demonstrate ruthlessness should have done the trick. Those people didn''t need to die. But... its OK. War does this to anyone it touches. It''s modern mythology that Americans are immune to its effects. By the wars end we just wanted to punish Japan and kill her citizens, however justified. So we did. Don''t underestimate the effect of pure tribal hatred.
So, ole Bubby, rest in a true peace and let the whiners be damned!!
As an aside--why would you expect any Front Page recognition for him--he was a genuine hero and the news media give such pitiful short shrift to men of this breed today. And its too bad as there are *** few of them.
So, ole Bubby, rest in a true peace and let the whiners be damned!!
As an aside--why would you expect any Front Page recognition for him--he was a genuine hero and the news media give such pitiful short shrift to men of this breed today. And its too bad as there are *** few of them.
Tibbets did not start WW2. The Japanese, Italians and the Germans did so by committing acts of unwarranted aggression against nations that were at peace.
The good General did contribute a great deal to ending that vicious war by dropping the bomb as ordered.
The Greatest Generation would have lost many more thousands, if not millions, of men in an invasion of Japan. Many of the baby boomers born of the Greatest Generation and the grandchildren of those WW2 fighting men now question the necessity of the decision to use the bomb.
Those fortunate people who enjoy freedom in this country often forget that they are free because tough men, trained to follow orders, and sworn to defend this country have paid for those freedoms enjoyed by many, with their blood.
Semper Fi General Tibbets.....
Charles H.
CWO-3 USMC (ret)
It was the best of several bad options. An invasion would have started out with the atomic bombing of Nagasaki to prevent the Japanese fifth Army from moving aginist the invasion of Kyushuu.
those who think that the dropping of the bomb was unnecessary do not understand what japan did in the war. japan killed more people in china than germany did in the holocaust. even today, most of asia looks poorly upon japan, and will not forget or forgive the massacre.
japan was warned that we would drop the bomb. our president begged them to surrender. but they did not, and would not even move civilians away from military targets. even many of the japanese people silently hated their leaders for continuing the war at such a great cost. the bomb was much more humane in some ways than the inaccurate, devastating and nearly unforgivable firebombing that preceded it--the atomic bomb ended the war for good. otherwise, we would have had to burn japan to the ground.
this pilot had a grave duty to do, and it was probably unbearable to remember. heroism comes in many different forms. we should never forget, and to honor the sacrifice, we should try our best to end such wars forever.
those who think that the dropping of the bomb was unnecessary do not understand what japan did in the war. japan killed more people in china than germany did in the holocaust. even today, most of asia looks poorly upon japan, and will not forget or forgive the massacre.
japan was warned that we would drop the bomb. our president begged them to surrender. but they did not, and would not even move civilians away from military targets. even many of the japanese people silently hated their leaders for continuing the war at such a great cost. the bomb was much more humane in some ways than the inaccurate, devastating and nearly unforgivable firebombing that preceded it--the atomic bomb ended the war for good. otherwise, we would have had to burn japan to the ground.
this pilot had a grave duty to do, and it was probably unbearable to remember. heroism comes in many different forms. we should never forget, and to honor the sacrifice, we should try our best to end such wars forever.
those who think that the dropping of the bomb was unnecessary do not understand what japan did in the war. japan killed more people in china than germany did in the holocaust. even today, most of asia looks poorly upon japan, and will not forget or forgive the massacre.
japan was warned that we would drop the bomb. our president begged them to surrender. but they did not, and would not even move civilians away from military targets. even many of the japanese people silently hated their leaders for continuing the war at such a great cost. the bomb was much more humane in some ways than the inaccurate, devastating and nearly unforgivable firebombing that preceded it--the atomic bomb ended the war for good. otherwise, we would have had to burn japan to the ground.
this pilot had a grave duty to do, and it was probably unbearable to remember. heroism comes in many different forms. we should never forget, and to honor the sacrifice, we should try our best to end such wars forever.
More Japanese, and more Americans would be dead without the bomb - we''d have won, but the cost would have been higher on both sides. This was a shortcut - a high cost, but it made it clear to Japan that they could not win. Had they surrendered when told about it, been willing to surrender when the first bomb went, they could have chosen to save Japanese lives. But other than our surrender, we had no path to save them.
So long Paul Tibbets.
You slaughtered thousands, so that dozens could live in peace.
Here''s what Leo Szilard, Manhatten project protege of Albert Einstein had to say about using the atomic bombs:
"Let me say only this much to the moral issue involved: Suppose Germany had developed two bombs before we had any bombs. And suppose Germany had dropped one bomb, say, on Rochester and the other on Buffalo, and then having run out of bombs she would have lost the war. Can anyone doubt that we would then have defined the dropping of atomic bombs on cities as a war crime, and that we would have sentenced the Germans who were guilty of this crime to death at Nuremberg and hanged them?"
Read some history and then make an intelligent comment!
War is ugly, heinous business. An attack of this magnitude makes us confront that reality head-on. The unpleasant truth does not alter the fact that it prevented hundreds of thousands of less headline-gripping deaths.
The Allied forces suffered 25,000 casualties, with nearly 7,000 dead. Of the 21,000 defenders, only 1,000 were taken prisoner.
Invading Japan proper would have cost so many more lives on both sides.
Tibbets did his job and saved many lives on both
sides. May he rest in peace.
Why was Japan chosen and not Germany. Could it be Asians were not ascribe the same measure of humanity as Europeans?
The decision to drop an atomic bomb on civilian non military populations is by far the egregious act of violence ever inflected on other human beings. You would think Tibbets would had later reflected on what he was ordered to do and at least show a bit of remorse of all the lives that were lost in such a horrific manner, but the man obviously possessed no conscience to the day he died. American hero...I think not. Ask the Japanese, and I''m sure the word terrorist would come to mind and I would have to agreed. I
f there''s a heaven or hell, it''s clear to me that Mr Tibbets is presently not in the company of angels.
Posted by blair1958
You''re a drama queen right? Dropping the bomb on Japan instead of Germany was predicated more by the fact that Japan is a large Island where the fallout (over the ocean) was far less hazardous than it would have been if it were dropped on Germany and spread all over populated areas of Europe. Also, the bomb was not ready prior to Germany''s surrender and there were only three available prior to the desert testing. If you feel bad about what we did talk to a survivor of the Bataan death march or the Chinese from Nanking.
You know nothing of history if you don''t know of the enourmous numbers of Chinese women and children slaughtered. I guess they don''t register with you?
How silly do you get? Yeah, revenge for Hirosima was taken by giving everyone involved in the war a good long life in a nice boom time with incredible progress, particularly in the medical arts that keep them alive and feeling good far longer than their fathers, and waiting until after they are dead to have some slight troubles hit - and that''s what someone thinks is Karma (someone doesn''t have a clue what the word means).
The Mason thing is a dead giveaway for a typical conspiracy nut. No reason to talk to them, because you (and everyone else in the world) either agree with every nutty thing they say; or you are a poor naive thing to believe your lying eyes; or you are part of the conspiracy. They''re pretty boring - lots of heat, but no light.
1. To attack one with ease and at a great advantage
2. To deliver the pain with ease and no loss
3. To go on a drunken rampage of one man mass destruction.
The NWO has been attempted several times before, such as WWII. It''''s on the move now once again, and no one can check them to date. Perhaps this time they will succeed or blow us all off the planet.
If you still look under your bed, the booggie man is not real.
The boggie man
Oh really. The Battle of Okinawa, fought from late March through June 1945. The bomb was dropped August 1945. Don''t look like a 4 month gap to me.
"Prior to the atomic attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, elements existed within the Japanese government that were trying to find a way to end the war. In June and July 1945, Japan attempted to enlist the help of the Soviet Union to serve as an intermediary in negotiations. No direct communication occurred with the United States about peace talks.
Many within the Japanese government were extremely reluctant to discuss any concessions, which would mean that a "negotiated peace" to them would only amount to little more than a truce where the Allies agreed to stop attacking Japan. After twelve years of Japanese military aggression against China and over three and one-half years of war with the United States (begun with the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor), American leaders were reluctant to accept anything less than a complete Japanese surrender."
WAKE UP PLEASE.
Kyoto was deleted from the target list because it had little value as a target. It had a lot of cultural value. Nagasaki was home of the Japanese Fifth army. That is the army that our forces would face if the invasion went ahead. Hiroshima was a secondary target. The orginal objective was a munitions factory at Kokura. The wheather over kokura was too bad that day. Hiroshima was home to a lot of what the japanese needed to continue the war.
Are you a complete idiot???
In my younger days as a Marine I served with a Sergeant Major who was captured at Corregidor and who endured the Bataan Death March.
He was sent to Japan to be a slave laborer for the Japanese war industry. His ship was sunk by an American submarine because it was unmarked as a POW transport. He was one of a few survivors who were picked up by a second ship. The second ship was also sunk by a American submarine as it too was unmarked as a POW transport.
So he was a slave laborer in japan who saw many of his fellow servicemen die under the Japanese prison camp administration. I also had an uncle named Jesse Clyde H***** who was captured on Corregidor. He died in Japanese captivity about 2 months prior to the surrender.
If the atomic bomb had not been used and the Japanese home islands had been invaded the Japanese were prepared, and had standing orders to do so, to kill all foreigners, whether civilian or military.
General Tibbets helped liberate all of those people, about 125,000, who were held captive by the Japanese. Sounds to me like the General saved a bunch of lives by his direct action.
I have been stationed in Japan and I have been to both Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I like the Japanese people and know a bit of their culture.
I ask you, Spectrum108, do you have ANY knowledge of the history of WW2, the Japanese people and culture and the experiences of the WW2 Allied POW''s????
Semper Fi you clown.
IMO dropping the A-bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was at least partially motivated by a desire for revenge. It is believed that Japan sent out peace feelers before the bombs were dropped, and the Japanese were not given enough time -- only three days -- to respond to the Hiroshima bombing before the Nagasaki bombing. However, it is hard to fairly judge these actions from the perspective of 62 years later.
Naturally the land invasion of Japan was studied long and hard "BEFORE" the bombs were used. It was estimated a million casualties or more of Americans and 3 times that many Japanese. Thats not Monday morning Quarterbacking that was facts and figures using what it cost us at various recent island battles.
The Japanese were prepared to fight door to door house to house city block to city block and that included Civilians. All were expected to fight to the end.
WE only have to look at the human carnage the Russian army faced while taking the city of Berlin. Tokyo Japan would have been two to three times as rough and thats just one city of many.
The Japanese were a beaten people long before the bombs were used, in fact Tokyo was fire bombed and over a hundred thousand were killed without the A-bomb and still they fought on.
Truman warned them to surrender or face a rain of
ruin from the air the likes of witch the world had never seen. Still they fought on.
Truman made the HARD right choice for the "situation at hand", Paul Tibbets did his utmost to carry it out.
God bless them both and give them peace.
Posted by middleman8 at 08:21 PM : Nov 05, 2007
Sorry middleman8 there will be no rewriting of history by you while I am here.
Your right, The Japanese had been trying for a cease fire and then negotiate "conditional terms" of surrender. They had no terms coming according to Truman who insisted on "unconditional surrender" The Japanese wanted to stay in uniform and keep their form of government and Truman would have non of it because that would have left another war to fight with them after they rebuilt.
To rephrase my statement. The bomb was dropped by General Paul Tibbets. My mentor, Sergeant Major F*****, who was imprisoned at the Kawasaki Prisoner of War Complex, told me in 1969 that he and all other POW''s had been informed by the Japanese that the Japanese were going to execute all of the estimated 125,000 or so Allied POw''s and civilian internees, upon the beginning of the Allied invasion of Japan.
This is NOT RHETORIC, it is history, based on facts presented by the many POW''s and internees to the Allied authorities AFTER the cessation of hostilities. I am reasonably sure that my uncle, Sergeant Jesse Clyde H*****, would have made a similar statement to Allied authorities should he have been fortunate enough to survive Japanese maltreatment of POW''s.
For reference and an example as to how the Japanese treated the POW''s refer to the ''Palawan Incident'' with a Google search of the Internet. Also a similar search of the term ''Hell Ships'' may help to enlighten you as to the historical facts of Japanese of treatment of POW''s.
This maltreatment was not ''one of a thousand sad war stories'', your statement, that you dismissed in such a cavalier fashion.
Charles H.
CWO-3 USMC (ret)
You express great concern for alleged atrocities against Catholics of Japanese citizenship or ancestry that may have been committed by the US goverment in time of war.
Do you have any idea how many Catholics/Christians of US citizenship or ancestry may have been subjected to atrocities by the Japanese government in time of war??
I expect that a number of Japanese Catholics may have perished in the bombing of Japan. I also believe that the bulk of the US casualties suffered in the Pacific war against Japan were memebers of Catholic/Christian religious belief.
You tell us to R E A D. I challenge you to R E A D and A N A L Y Z E in an O B J E C T I V E manner.
I have been reading books of military history since 1958. I started reading before I was a Marine and have read many thousands of books in the last 49 or so years. What specific references would you direct me that would support your position???
Charles H.
CWO-3 USMC (ret)
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by jarheadcwo3
November 6, 2007 3:16 PM PST
- I do not seek to justify my country''s, or any other country''s, atrocities. It is, however, an unfortunate fact that atrocity accompanies all wars.
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See all 42 CommentsIn WW2 all American citizens, as well as their Allies, were afforded the opportunity to be repatriated to their country of origin. Most people left. Some, such as the missionaries to which you refer, did not. Presumably, this is because they had a duty to a higher power other than their country of birth.
The point is they were afforded the opportunity to leave and they chose to do otherwise. I do not question their choice and I do admire their courage for living by their professed beliefs.
The targetting of the cities for the atomic bomb campaign was based on the use of the cities for military bases by the enemy, the logistical system of the city, the industrial capability and output of the city and other war support criteria.
I seriously doubt that the planners used the proximity of Catholic churches as a final target selection criteria.
I am really interested in reviewing the aforementioned reference you have cited in a previous post. Please forward name and author at your convenience.
I was in VietNam for 30 months in a infantry battalion of the 1st Marine Division. I know the horror of war and I also know that bad things happen to good people in the heat of battle. I am not trying to excuse bad things but I would like to understnd them so I seek explanation(s).
Charles H.