ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, Nov. 4, 2007

Musharraf Suspends Pakistan's Constitution

State Of Emergency Declared, Chief Justice Replaced And Communications Cut In Capital

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    • Pakistan's opposition leader Javed Hashmi flashes a victory sign as he is arrested by police in Multan, Pakistan on Nov 4, 2007. Authorities rounded up opposition leaders Sunday after Gen. Pervez Musharraf suspended Pakistan's constitution, declaring rising Islamic extremism forced him to take emergency measures that included replacing the nation's chief judge and blacking out the independent media that refused to support him. Photo

      Pakistan's opposition leader Javed Hashmi flashes a victory sign as he is arrested by police in Multan, Pakistan on Nov 4, 2007. Authorities rounded up opposition leaders Sunday after Gen. Pervez Musharraf suspended Pakistan's constitution, declaring rising Islamic extremism forced him to take emergency measures that included replacing the nation's chief judge and blacking out the independent media that refused to support him.  (AP Photo/Khalid Tanveer)

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(CBS/AP)  Authorities rounded up opposition leaders Sunday after military ruler Gen. Pervez Musharraf suspended Pakistan's constitution, replaced the chief judge and blacked out independent TV outlets, saying the country must fight rising Islamic extremism.

Musharraf, who seized power in a 1999 coup but had given a conditional pledge to step down as military chief and become a civilian president this year, declared a state of emergency Saturday night, dashing recent hopes of a smooth transition to democracy for the nuclear-armed nation.

"Gen. Musharraf's second coup," said the headline in the Dawn daily. "It is martial law," said the Daily Times.

"A lot of people here are left in a state of disbelief," reports CBS News' Farhan Bokhari from Islamabad.

Authorities began rounding up opposition politicians despite calls from Washington and other Western allies not to take authoritarian measures.

Across Pakistan, police arrested political activists and lawyers at the forefront of a campaign against military rule. Among those detained were Javed Hashmi, the acting president of the party of former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, and Asma Jehangir, chairman of the independent Human Rights Commission of Pakistan.

U.S.-allied Musharraf removed the country's chief justice just as the Supreme Court was to rule on whether to validate his recent election as president by a largely Musharraf-friendly Parliament.

Hashmi said Musharraf usurped the independence of the judiciary "to save his own illegitimate rule."

"But he cannot survive against the people's outrage," Hashmi told reporters as he was led away with 10 aides in the central city of Multan.

Private Geo TV said in a report via satellite that authorities arrested Aitzaz Ahsan, a lawyer who represented the chief justice when Musharraf unsuccessfully tried to fire him earlier this year.

Another opposition party leader, Imran Khan, was put under house
arrest Saturday.

"The only reason why he's passed the emergency is because he was scared that the Supreme Court would not allow a military general to fight the election of the president," Khan told CBS News correspondent Mark Phillips. "And what is going to happen in Pakistan is that it's going to head towards anarchy, there will be more militancy in the country."

Scores of paramilitary troops blocked access to the Supreme Court and parliament. Otherwise the streets of the capital appeared calm.

Local newspapers and opposition leaders - including key Musharraf rival Benazir Bhutto, the former prime minister who returned last month from eight years in exile - accused the general of imposing martial law without announcing it.

But his government denied this. Attorney General Malik Mohammed Qayyum noted that the prime minister and parliament were still in place.

"There is no martial law in the country. Only a state of emergency has been declared," Qayyum said. "The civilian government will continue to function."

The U.S. called for Musharraf to restore democracy. However, the Pentagon said the emergency declaration does not affect U.S. military support for Pakistan and its efforts in the war on terrorism. Britain said it was deeply concerned.

Musharraf's leadership is threatened by an increasingly defiant court, the reemergence of political rival and former prime minister Benazir Bhutto and an Islamic movement that has spread to Islamabad. He said Pakistan was at a "dangerous" juncture and extremists had directly challenged the government's authority.

"The extremism has even spread to Islamabad, and the extremists are taking the writ of the government in their own hands, and even worse they are imposing their obsolete ideas on moderates," the president said in an address to the nation late Saturday on state-run television.

"Inaction at this moment is suicide to Pakistan and I cannot allow this country to commit suicide," he said.

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Inaction at this moment is suicide to Pakistan and I cannot allow this country to commit suicide.

Gen. Pervez Musharraf
Musharraf replaced the chief justice of the Supreme Court - who had emerged as the main check on his power - before a crucial Supreme Court ruling on his future as president. His emergency order accused some judges of "working at cross purposes with the executive" and "weakening the government's resolve" to fight terrorism.

He criticized the Supreme Court for failing to make a ruling yet on whether to validate his contentious victory in a presidential election, and for punishing government officers, including police. He said this had left the government system "semi-paralyzed."

Seven of the 17 Supreme Court judges immediately rejected the emergency, which suspended the current constitution. Police blocked entry to the Supreme Court building and later took the deposed chief justice and other judges away in a convoy, witnesses said.

In his television address, Musharraf said he hoped democracy would be restored following parliamentary elections.

"But, in my eyes, I say with sorrow that some elements are creating hurdles in the way of democracy," said Musharraf, who was wearing civilian clothes and spoke firmly and calmly. "I think this chaos is being created for personal interests and to harm Pakistan."

Speaking in English, Musharraf said he wanted to explain his actions to the United States and the West, reports Phillips.

"Please also do not demand your level of human rights, civil rights, civil liberties which you learned over the centuries. We are trying to learn and we are doing very well also, please give us time," he said.

Musharraf even quoted from Abraham Lincoln, citing a letter Lincoln had written suspending some constitutional provisions during the Civil War, adds Phillips. What Musharraf did not do, however, is say whether the elections planned for next year will actually happen.

The emergency comes as Musharraf's security forces struggle to contain pro-Taliban and al-Qaida-linked militants who have gained control of large tracts of the volatile northwest, near Afghanistan.

Violence has reached major cities with deadly suicide attacks in Islamabad and Karachi underscoring the failure of Musharraf's administration to combat the threat, despite huge financial support from the United States.

Talat Masood, a retired Pakistani general and respected analyst, said the emergency declaration was a pre-emptive move in case the court ruled against him, and said the move could "further aggravate terrorism and extremism in the country and slide the country into anarchism."

Rick Barton, a Pakistan expert at the Washington-based Center for International and Strategic Studies, said Musharraf's move Saturday was like throwing a "wet blanket" on the problem.

"He's obviously not very popular, and it's not going to increase his popularity," Barton said. "Unless he develops a new line or is able to be more effective with his old line, he seems to be just buying time, an inevitable delay to his demise."

The order drew swift complaints from the United States and Britain - Musharraf's main Western allies. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice urged restraint on all sides and a return to democracy.

The United States "does not support extraconstitutional measures," Rice said from Turkey, where she was participating in a conference with Iraq's neighbors.

Musharraf claimed that 61 terrorists have been freed on order from the court - an apparent reference a case that has been led by the now-deposed chief justice to press authorities over suspects held by intelligence agencies without charge.

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by grazinggoat November 3, 2007 9:27 AM PDT
A flag was hoisted over one building after it was abandoned by officers in scenic Swat valley, a formerly popular tourist destination now plagued by fighting between paramilitary forces and Islamic militants, said Sirajuddin, speaking on behalf of the insurgents.

-Sounds like the Pakistani army has invaded its own country! ain''t that funny?

-Wohhahahahah Wohhahahahah hahaha!
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by radiob-2009 November 3, 2007 9:40 AM PDT
Hmmm Unchecked unbridled presidential authority reminds me of my nation the US. Close down the FDA,the DEA, the EPA, and all other departments besides the military.
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by famulla-2009 November 3, 2007 9:43 AM PDT
State Of Emergency In Pakistan
Sir
Need I tell you more in the unrest autocratic democracy in Pakistan? The democracy is a pseudo name. Since many years, the martial law has prevailed and that is the only language the Pakistanis understand. Put simply they are used to this. Bhutto is making a big error of transforming her way to the already shoulders blood that rues trough the Pakistani blood. The Pathan from the Mountain Himalaya and the ardent Muslim do not want Miss Bhutto to get the upper hand on the local theological terms of Islam that has the roots from Mogul times. THOSE ARE son taking over the throne of father. Here Mr. Musharraf is doing the same. Let him have his way. Miss Bhutto as is has sigh phoned a lot of cash and was to have the court orders over her when she left. Why she has come back is a surprise, Now what does she achieve? Blood torn division between Shia and Sunnis to go far and wide and to many minorities taking part in this feud
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by on_alert247 November 3, 2007 9:43 AM PDT
Yeah grazing, you would find this funny. Just like all your other posts indicate, you have your head way to far up your azz.
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by walt1944-2009 November 3, 2007 9:56 AM PDT
The Great Emperor Bush II is upset at what is happening to his old buddy "Musharraf" in Pakistan. After all, Pakistan is supposed to be a ally on the "War on Terror" and now that ally appears to be heading for civil way just like Iraq.

Because of these circumstances, and because there are "terrrrrrorists" in Pakistan, the Emperor is seriously considering INVADING PAKISTAN, to, as he puts it, "preserve the peace"!!!

Now there will be some who will feel that with the Emperor already fighting "terrrrrorists" in Afghanistan and Iraq, and formulating plans for invading Iran and now possibily Pakistan, that the Emperor is creating his own version of the Roman Empire in the MIddle East, and they might be right!

However, if the Emperor had stayed awake during his History classes in school, he might have heard that the reasons the Roman Empire fell was, not just their own brand of terrorists (called barbarians), but that the empire was over-extended and CORRUPT FROM WITHIN!

Sounds familiar!

SIG HEIL, BUSH!!
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by realpatriot1 November 3, 2007 10:05 AM PDT
Paramilitary units are taking on the Taliban and are losing ground. Where are the Pakastani forces? Why not call in the American forces to back up Pakastani troops? Are we supposed to believe that they don''t know where these battles are taking place? We know where the outposts are that are being overtaken.

The paramilitary has taken matters into its own hands because Musharif and Bush have done nothing to free them from militant control.

It will be interesting to see if the state of emergency will actually be applied to the militant areas or will be used primarily to limit info reaching the populated areas and to prevent Bhutto and her supporters and others from campaigning to replace the Musharif regime.
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by michaelt302 November 3, 2007 10:27 AM PDT
As long as he kills as many al Qaeda and Islamists and Jihadists as humanly possible, I don''t give a rat''s a*ss how he does it. Go Musharraf , Go!!!
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by v_1618 November 3, 2007 10:29 AM PDT
GET OUT STUPID MUSHARRAF ...THE PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN DON''T WANT YOU AGAIN IN POWER SO.. THE STATE OF EMERGENCY IS BECAUSE OF YOU TO STILL ON POWER...
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by mcvet November 3, 2007 10:32 AM PDT
Yeah grazing, you would find this funny. Just like all your other posts indicate, you have your head way to far up your azz.


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Posted by on_alert247 at 09:43 AM : Nov 03, 2007
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Stop being a fascist, we have little need for them anymore. The fact is that Bin Laden has completely rebuilt, you do know who that is don''t you? He''s the guy who planned and ordered the attack on the WTC... anyway he''s completely rebuilt and, using the world wide hatred for our Dictator, has brought MORE terrorist into his orgainzation. Maybe you could put away the swastika long enough to help deal with the INCOMPETENCE of that pathetic LOSER a few and I do mean a few, still call a President. Sieg Heil Bush!!
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by mcvet November 3, 2007 10:35 AM PDT
As long as he kills as many al Qaeda and Islamists and Jihadists as humanly possible, I don''''t give a rat''''s a*ss how he does it. Go Musharraf , Go!!!


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Posted by MichaelT302 at 10:27 AM : Nov 03, 2007
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You mean the "Al Qaeda" that our Dictator said all those years ago wasn''t important anymore... you do remember the Liar in Chief saying he didn''t care where Bin Laden was don''t you? It seems like WE need to keep our eye on OUR problem... the INSANE leader of this nation. Sieg Heil Bush!!
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by toldyouso21 November 3, 2007 10:39 AM PDT
Go Musharraf , Go!!!
Posted by MichaelT302 at 10:27 AM : Nov 03, 2007

America said the same thing--about Saddam as we armed him against Iran and gave him the WP and other chemicals to gas the Kurds. Rummy even excused him for that--saying he had a right to defend and protect his government and put down insurrection--now look where it has gotten us.

We said the same thing about the Taliban as we gave them weapons and trainging and help them to overrun the legitimate government in Afghanistan--now look where it has gotten us.

We said the same thing about the Shah in Iran and Marcos in the Phillipines, as they slaughtered hundreds of thousands of their own people and we helped with bombings and other covert ops to help them gain and control power. Now look where that has gotten us.

America SUCKS at regime change, meddling and always displays a lack of caring of what happens to people in the way of our own agendas--until the ******* boils over and begins to affect us. It starts with people like you--not caring or thinking further than what you think you are going to get out of something--failing to see the big picture--it ends with more people hating us and INDIVIDUALS ultimately scheming to strike back at the US as the biggest and most "evil" puppet master of it all.

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by tbweb November 3, 2007 10:40 AM PDT
Because of these circumstances, and because there are "terrrrrrorists" in Pakistan, the Emperor is seriously considering INVADING PAKISTAN, to, as he puts it, "preserve the peace"!!!

Posted by walt1944 at 09:56 AM : Nov 03, 2007,,,

But at least now there are options! The regular "official" U.S. Military or the "unofficial" U.S. Military a.k.a. Blackwater! Since Blackwater may soon be unemployed in Iraq, Pakistan could be their next stop! I didn''t even know the U.S. could maintain a private army Constitutionally disguised as a security firm! Blackwater is not your everyday standard security firm and by many accounts Blackwater is a private army who is rumored to start fighting the war on drugs in U.S. inner cities. Can you imagine that? Mini Blackwater helicopters swooping down all over the place in U.S. urban areas, sounds like the U.S. is getting ready to assault itself too!
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by toldyouso21 November 3, 2007 10:48 AM PDT
Why not call in the American forces to back up Pakastani troops? Posted by realpatriot1 at 10:05 AM : Nov 03, 2007


Here is a clue--and one that a lot of Americans do not know, understand or care about: Countries really, really, really hate it when outsiders (that would be us) come in and start bombing their country. They don''t care how strategic the target is, they just know that they are being invaded by the same people that ransacked and destroyed Iraq.

A great many Pakistanis already hate us and are enraged by our war in Iraq and our bombing of one of their villages--we really don''t need to add to the list of INDIVIDUALS* who hate us and want to strike back at us--especially not from a country that has nuclear weapons and that we have many of their former citizens here in the US as immigrants. The incident of the Pakistani bombers in the UK is not isolated. Pakistanis may not be Arabic, but their ties, violatility and loyalty to their brethren and their hatred of foreigners who they perceive as bullies and murderers (that would be us) is pretty much unified. People dance with the devil, when that is the only tune being called--but it does not mean that they like the devil or that--if a clear shot ever happens--they would not like to destroy him.

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by michaelt302 November 3, 2007 10:51 AM PDT
Walt1944, you''re clearly an idiot. The second you throw around the Nazi cra*p with the sig heil nonsense you lose all credibility. Of course, that''s the limit of liberal arguments: you guys call someone a nazi and then you think you''ve actually made a point. All you''ve done is reveal yourself as a broken record.
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by on_alert247 November 3, 2007 10:52 AM PDT
Stop being a fascist, we have little need for them anymore. The fact is that Bin Laden has completely rebuilt, you do know who that is don''''t you? He''''s the guy who planned and ordered the attack on the WTC... anyway he''''s completely rebuilt and, using the world wide hatred for our Dictator, has brought MORE terrorist into his orgainzation. Maybe you could put away the swastika long enough to help deal with the INCOMPETENCE of that pathetic LOSER a few and I do mean a few, still call a President. Sieg Heil Bush!!

Posted by MCVet at 10:32 AM : Nov 03, 2007
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World wide hatred for our dictator? Like the hatred in the ''93 WTC bombing, or the embassy bombings, or the USS Cole bombing, or the Bali bombing? And to think I thought the Madrasahs in Pakistan were responsible for the ideological Islamic-fascist Taliban, I didn''t know it was all that hatred for Bush. Are you really as naive as you sound or are you posting from Waziristan?
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by ubrew12 November 3, 2007 10:55 AM PDT
Gee, all the U.S. allies in the Middle East seem to be run by dictators. Guess that ''democracy promotion'' thing in Iraq was just another smoke-screen.
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by toldyouso21 November 3, 2007 10:56 AM PDT
*Individuals tend to be terrorists--to ferret them out while not destroying every single person in a country is impossible. We will never defeat every indiv. because we will never know who they are, or when they are being converted. Our actions convert--who knows on what day, someone hears or sees what we are doing and hates us enough to try to kill us?


Ever watch a horror or suspense movie and we all know certain things:

1. The killer always shows up behind the person and they never know.

2. They dummies always open the closet, go down in the basement, gets out of the car--goes into the woods

3. Running people always eventually fall and get killed.

we are watching the largest "D" horror/suspense movie--its all been done before--but America is acting to script--we do all the dumb things that leave the audience groaning and saying "don''t do that dummy"--but we are in the movie--not watching it--so we don''t see the steps and the inevitability. They always fall...they always get caught--because they are always stupid enough to open that door--go in that country--meddle--until the THING is upon them and they are shocked and screaming.
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by starleo146 November 3, 2007 11:21 AM PDT
ted by toldyouso21 at 10:56 AM : Nov 03, 2007

You really explained how it works. Don''t forget the nuclear bomb as well. That is part of this horror.Thanks toldyouso I do love your posts.
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by starleo146 November 3, 2007 11:31 AM PDT
Posted by radiob at 09:40 AM : Nov 03, 2007

The only difference is Our congress is scared to fight or stand up or anything. They think let them (REPUBLICANS) keep making mistakes and come election time we(DEMOCRATS) will be in like Flynn. This apathy is killing America and I just wish someone would do something.
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by mrmazerati November 3, 2007 11:32 AM PDT
I imagine this must be a bit embarrassing for W.
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by starleo146 November 3, 2007 11:38 AM PDT
I do think this is serious if Musharaff goes down and a radical takes the government over. Can we imagine the nuclear bomb in the hands of a radical, I think this could be a bad development and have bad repercussions for India, which I am not sure, if they have a nuclear weapon or not, but if they do, This is the horror of it all, I think.
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by brianbwb-2009 November 3, 2007 11:40 AM PDT
Most of you are missing the point, Pakistan is in a power struggle between factions that want their share of the corruption, the religion angle is just one side hiding behind it to cover up the true agenda. US puppet Pervie M. knows his time is up, and Bhutto has overwhelming popular support, but he and his US collaborators don''t want Mrs. B, because she doesn''t play ball with them, so they throw out the rule of law, and hold power by brute force. The other side claims a "God given right" to expel Perv, so he in turn calls it Islamic terrorism as his excuse to declare martial law, and arrest his opposition, and Bush is more than happy to play along.

If Bush thought for a minute he could get away with it, he would do the same in the US, the corruption money is now too big to give up voluntarily.
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by hypnotoad72 November 3, 2007 11:42 AM PDT
If Islamic fascists took over Pakistan, they''d have their hands on some nukes.

Food for thought.

I think we''re better off helping Pakistan with this menace.
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by trumpetstuff November 3, 2007 11:43 AM PDT
The U.S. and other Western allies urged
[Musharraf] this week not to jeopardize
the country''s transition to democracy.

I`m glad that our country is concerned that Pakistan continue to move toward democracy. And I hope that the U.S. administration will also move more in that direction, and away from the quasi-dictatorship that has evolved over the past several years.
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by toldyouso21 November 3, 2007 11:43 AM PDT
I think this could be a bad development and have bad repercussions for India, which I am not sure, if they have a nuclear weapon or not, but if they do, This is the horror of it all, I think.

Posted by starleo146 at 11:38 AM : Nov 03, 2007

Yes, India has nuclear weapons, They tested them before Pakistan.

As for the post someone else made about what does Bush have to do with this? Pakistan is being torn apart due to widespread anger and unrest about America''s incursion into a muslim country and Musharrefs insistence on aiding that military mission. Pakistanis are Muslims first. They hated the first gulf war and many never forgave us--this debacle is much worse. The Schism in Pakistan is directly related to Musharref''s alliance with the United States and support of our actions in the Muslim world--very few in Pakistan (or any Muslim country) can support the tragedy our actions created in Iraq--because when the smoke clears--no matter our real intentions--the country is destroyed and many of their brethren are dead, dying or maimed for life. Unforgiveable--no McDonalds or money can repay a death--not even one death--let only hundreds of thousands or maybe over a million deaths.
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by toldyouso21 November 3, 2007 11:49 AM PDT
Starleo: thank you for the compliment, I like to hear what your take is on all of this also. Sometimes I am writing so furiously on so many blogs (I hop between a lot of the political ones and occasionally, for respite--the fluff, that I sometimes miss the comments that are not long rants or challenges.
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by ubrew12 November 3, 2007 11:54 AM PDT
If we side with Musharef against the Pakistani people, we should recall what happened (eventually) when we did that in Iran. The dictator gets rid of his moderate opposition (the popular opposition), leaving only the radical (in this case Islamic) opposition, the guys too tough or wacked-out to care about long prison terms doled out to family members.

And that goes where it goes...
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by brianbwb-2009 November 3, 2007 11:55 AM PDT
Posted by hypnotoad72

This is a power struggle between Benazir Bhutto and Pervez Musharraf. Neither are extreme religious fanatics, but the press is helping the WH scare people into thinking there is a chance Islamic radicals might score some nuclear weapons, so there is less resistance to Pervez'' power grab.

The White house, as well as the current power in Pakistan don''t want Bhutto to come back, her popular support is overwhelming, and the "powers that be" won''t give up access to all that corruption money without a fight. That is all there is to it.

Contrary to the lies and false propaganda, there is no "radical Islam" element in this problem, it is a simple power struggle between the deposed but popular leader, and the current leader that deposed her in a coup, but proved to be even more corrupt.
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by farw November 3, 2007 12:15 PM PDT
First thing, I would like to clear the fact that there is no chance of Religious Fanatics to win Elections and come into Power and neither with such war tactics, because people of Pakistan do not support them in such a way.

The only thing people of Pakistan want is the implementation of clean and corruption free government and rules and this is what is not happening. Unfortunately, such foolish and corrupt people captured the government who instead of giving people necessities of life, made corruption in govt. affairs just for their own selfishness. That''s make people to react and reaction can be seen in Northern Areas and other Tribal Areas.

This Musharraf did not come into power via democratic way and he still keeps his dictatorship nature.

Pakistan never faces such bloodshed as happened in the time of Musharraf.

The implementation of Emergency is to keep his powers and to down Supreme Court which is trying to implement the real democracy with the Constitution of Pakistan and is not according to the rules of democratic systems and constitution of Pakistan

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by mrmazerati November 3, 2007 12:30 PM PDT
Farw, I assume you are pakistani or have pakistani friends or relatives? Your post seems to make sense.
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by farw November 3, 2007 12:33 PM PDT
O Yes mrmazerati, I''m from Islamabad and have a good connection with people from almost every sect.

Thanks :)

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by mrmazerati November 3, 2007 12:37 PM PDT
"O Yes mrmazerati, I''''m from Islamabad and have a good connection with people from almost every sect.

Thanks :)"
Posted by Farw

In thay case I will consider your post the most reliable information regarding the situation. Thank you for your input.
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by winnerindia November 3, 2007 12:48 PM PDT
I do think this is serious if Musharaff goes down and a radical takes the government over. Can we imagine the nuclear bomb in the hands of a radical, I think this could be a bad development and have bad repercussions for India, which I am not sure, if they have a nuclear weapon or not, but if they do, This is the horror of it all, I think.
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Posted by starleo146 at 11:38 AM : Nov 03, 2007
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Haa haa haaaaaaa. Don''t worry Pakistanis don''t want Shariyah Law. They love Bollywood movies and music :)
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by j-whitman November 3, 2007 1:12 PM PDT
Guess what Bush & Cheney are doing ???? Using orginizations on our State Dept''s list of terrorist orginizations to create the "Perfect Storm" for escelation of terrorism --
---- If you liked the Iran-Contra fiasco, & the Iraq War of Roses,,,, You''ll Love Pakiststan''s "Perfect Storm"
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by j-whitman November 3, 2007 1:42 PM PDT
badaxmofo,,, ..."KILL''''EM ALL before they KILL US!!!" you say ??? ----- Spreading hate & fear aren''t you ????
------- You are selling American''s short dude.... You don''t understand American''s in the least bit --- We would never allow it.
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by j-whitman November 3, 2007 1:45 PM PDT
badaxmofo,,,, You are too much dude, spreading fear through America is what Ossama Bin Laden wanted --- Are you trying for Al Queda''s Employee of the Year Award ???
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by j-whitman November 3, 2007 1:47 PM PDT
badaxmofo,,,, It was Hitler & Goebbels propaganda that spread hate & fear througout Germany
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by tomflint69 November 3, 2007 1:49 PM PDT
I am not in favor of any religion, any extremism whether its Islam, Judism, Christianity or some another.
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by j-whitman November 3, 2007 1:50 PM PDT
badaxmofo,,,, You are using the hate & fear propbagand of your GOP to do the same as Hitler did.
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by j-whitman November 3, 2007 1:52 PM PDT
badaxmofo,,,, Maybe you should put down you BS & start paying attention ---- Bush is using terrorist orginizations to spread terrorism in his quest for changing the world....
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by forthepeopl1 November 3, 2007 1:53 PM PDT
we the people should be doing what other country are doing to save themself from their dictators..

bush/cheney/rice are dictators in all sence
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by michaelt302 November 3, 2007 1:54 PM PDT
There are very few countries in the world that ALL of us would be better off if they didn''t exist. But Pakistan is clearly one of those places. Name one product or service Pakistan produces that all of us need, that we can''t easily get somewhere else. Can''t do it? Yeah, I can''t either. It''s obvious 99% of everything that comes from this country is negative, and nothing but trouble. Even liberal Newsweek labeled it the "World''s Most Dangerous Nation". The only thing Pakistan now exports is Jihad, Terrorism, and Death. I''ve no doubt that if Europe and the USA and Australia could wave a wand and make this place vanish, they would. Instead, our only choice is a long, brutal confrontation. Or nuke them. Two choices, and neither will be fun.
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by robertkjjj November 3, 2007 1:57 PM PDT
MichaelT302, thanks for your great and eloquent post. I could not have said it better myself. AQ and bin Laden and the Jihadists are all over Pakistan, and they need to be wiped off the face of the earth. Keep up the good work!
www.jihadwatch.org
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by traith November 3, 2007 1:58 PM PDT
Pakistan has been in the lime light for long, unfortunately for multiple emabarassing events. Yet once again, the leadership of Pakistan has plunged the national respect into another shameful episode. Imposition of emergency today should not come as a surprise to the people who were following recent political stunts. It clearly speaks of the insecurity Musharaf and his stooges are suffering.
It is yet another effort to "Save the King."
Therefore, issues like WMD, fundamentalist over taking government or War Against Terrorism should not be corelated with the present situation.
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by j-whitman November 3, 2007 1:59 PM PDT
MichaelT302,,,, FYI --- Pakistan is an allie in the War on Terror
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by tomflint69 November 3, 2007 2:00 PM PDT
There are very few countries in the world that ALL of us would be better off if they didn''''t exist. But Pakistan is clearly one of those places. Name one product or service Pakistan produces that all of us need, that we can''''t easily get somewhere else. Can''''t do it? Yeah, I can''''t either. It''''s obvious 99% of everything that comes from this country is negative, and nothing but trouble. Even liberal Newsweek labeled it the "World''''s Most Dangerous Nation". The only thing Pakistan now exports is Jihad, Terrorism, and Death. I''''ve no doubt that if Europe and the USA and Australia could wave a wand and make this place vanish, they would. Instead, our only choice is a long, brutal confrontation. Or nuke them. Two choices, and neither will be fun.
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Posted by MichaelT302 at 01:54 PM : Nov 03, 2007


Another typical clown from ''TIMES OF INDIA'' . lol


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by winnerindia November 3, 2007 2:04 PM PDT
None of the Pakistani political leaders can eliminate terrorists.
Musharaf is the only choice when one wants to deal with the terrorism.
The same poeple who are against the emergency rule in Pakistan will shout if anything wrong happens in their own countries, trailing terrorsm evidences back to Pakistan. It is the right time that Musharaf kill all the terrorists once for all.

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by j-whitman November 3, 2007 2:08 PM PDT
traith,,,, It should not come to a suprise that we still don''t have any concept of the politics or the people of Pakistan --- We are repeating the same mistakes & worst just as before ----
---- Remember the Central American fiasco involving Iran-Contra??? We supported the enemy''s of the people... It''s the same Neo-Con logic only on steroids... And it''s escelatting the War on Terror

One of the opposition groups we are using is the MEK, they have a lobbying group in Washington D.C. -- They are on our State Dept''s list of terrorist orginizations.
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by abbe91 November 3, 2007 2:13 PM PDT
"Musharaf is the only choice when one wants to deal with the terrorism.
Posted by winnerindia at 02:04 PM : Nov 03, 2007"

I remember to have heard this before ... it was about Saddam Hussein. There is even a picture of him shaking hands with Rumsfeld.
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