Poll: Vermont Wants Bush, Cheney Impeached

Nearly Two-Thirds Of State's Likely Voters Want President, VP Removed Before Term Ends

(CBS)  Earlier this year, town meetings across Vermont asked citizens if impeachment proceedings should be initiated against the president and vice president. Thirty-seven towns voted yes, and the Senate approved a resolution calling for impeachment.

Now a statewide poll conducted by CBS affiliate WCAX in Burlington, Vt. posed the question to 400 likely voters. Sixty-one percent said they would be in favor of Congress beginning impeachment proceedings against President Bush. Thirty-three percent opposed it, and 6% were not sure.

The numbers for Vice President Cheney differed only slightly: Sixty-four percent favored impeachment, while 31% opposed it.

Seventy-five percent of respondents said they categorized the president's performance as "fair" or "poor."

"I'm really overjoyed by this," said Jimmy Leas, a South Burlington lawyer who has been a vocal advocate of impeachment. He told WCAX correspondent Kate Duffy that the poll shows "here in Vermont, nearly two-thirds of the public understand we have a serious problem, and the way to address this is to remove the officials who are usurping power."

"The impeachment results are somewhat surprising, frankly, to me," Middlebury College professor and columnist Eric Davis said.

He said the numbers are a sign that Vermonters are extremely dissatisfied with the administration.

"Even though their terms are ending in a little bit more than a year, a majority of Vermonters don't want to even see them remaining in office until January 20, 2009."

Vermont's legislature took up the impeachment issue last spring. The Senate passed a resolution calling for the president's impeachment, but a similar effort failed in the House.

Constitutionally, only Congress can impeach an executive, yet it could be spurred to do so by a state legislature, or by the motion of a single representative. According to the Jefferson Manual, if a House member introduces impeachment as a question of privilege, it would supersede all other business before the Congress and must be addressed.

Peter Welch, D-Vt., the state's sole Representative, has said he does not support the impeachment of Mr. Bush or Cheney. Speaking at a town hall meeting on the issue in May, he argued impeachment would be a distraction and hamper efforts by some in Congress to end the Iraq war.

Since then, the number of U.S. troops in Iraq has increased.

During this week's Democratic debate in Philadelphia, Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, repeatedly called for articles of impeachment to be pushed forward. "I think that our democracy is in peril, and unless the Democrats and the Congress stand up for the Constitution, we are going to lose our country."

Leas said the effort isn't over.

"The founding fathers decided we could have a Congress that's just as corrupt as the president and it's up to the people to get involved and take action," he said. "And this poll shows that the people understand this - [and] they don't like the direction this country is going."

Impeachment of chief executives is rare: Congress has impeached only two presidents in the country's 231-year history - Andrew Johnson in 1868, and Bill Clinton in 1998. Both were acquitted by the Senate. Richard Nixon resigned from office before the House was to take up an impeachment vote against him in 1974.


"Would you favor or oppose Congress beginning impeachment proceedings against President Bush?"

Favor
Total 61%
Women 64%
Men 58%

Oppose
Total 33%
Women 29%
Men 37%

Unsure
Total 6%
Women 7%
Men 5%

The poll was conducted for WCAX by Research 2000, October 17-19.

[ziparmux]

A slightly cryptic message to USProphet

Blaise Pascal (1623--1662)

I am sorry for the length of my letter, but I had not the time to write a short one.

[ziparmux]

Well I for one feel the same way as the "up tight" North East. Impeach the jerks. Tie them up with an impeachment and maybe they won''''t screw it up anymore then they have already. It can''''t make it any worse and maybe it will make it a little better. "Up Tight" in the North West.

Posted by hcarpenter5 at 03:41 AM : Nov 03, 2007

Cool attitude and opinion, what do you have to lose? As you state it can only at the least tether them for a while, the consequence of which would allow Congress to breathe, and perhaps return to some equilibrium and allowing common sense to prevail instead of fear.

[hcarpenter5]

Well I for one feel the same way as the "up tight" North East. Impeach the jerks. Tie them up with an impeachment and maybe they won''t screw it up anymore then they have already. It can''t make it any worse and maybe it will make it a little better. "Up Tight" in the North West.

[usprophet]

My fellow Americans just don''t seem to care that our nation, along with The Constitution upon which it was founded, is being flushed-down the NWO toilet by our nations'' bought and paid for politicians and media. While the Oligarchs warn and insite fear in the sheeple about the prospect of terrorism, they at the same time leave our border wide open, and fund and conduct illegal wars overseas that do nothing but encite the terrorism which their Orwellian Laws like the Patriot Act and The Real ID Act pretend to protect us from. Wake up America! It''s not about protecting you from terrorism, or saving the planet from Global Warming, or any of that other fear-mongering garbage the sold-out, mainstream media feeds you 24/7. It''s about feeding the bankers and the military industrial complex, and facilitating the ruling elite''s ability to ratchet-down control over the American people, placing us into a total control grid where they can surveille, track and control everywhere we go and everything we do. It''s the groundwork for totalitarianism, my friends. It''s New World Order plan of Bush, Clinton, Giuliani, et.al., being executed quite beautifully. You''re a victim of mass mind control--a frog in a pot. In order to cook the frog, you don''t throw him into a pot of boiling water. If you do, he''ll resist and jump-out. What you do instead is, you turn the heat-up REAL SLOW, and by the time the water is boiling he won''t be able to jump out anymore, because it''s too late--he''s already doomed.

[gunownerdan]

Too bad Nazi Pelosi has already said she will not try to impeach the Bush beast.

[usprophet]

You get the sense that our country is desperate for someone to show us the way. Not the old way. Not the same way, but a NEW WAY. Think about this for a minute. What if we pulled all of our troops out of South Korea? They''ve been there for 50+ years. What if we quit worrying about Iran, but instead, realized that its having a nuclear weapon will not mean the end of the world? What if we pulled all of our troops out of the Middle-East, and brought them all home? What if we realistically addressed the National Debt, and paid attention to REALLY DOING SOMETHING about stopping illegal immigration? These are the ideas of Republican Presidential candidate, Dr. Ron Paul. He''s a ten term Congressman and a physician who has delivered over 4,000 babies. He''s an intellectual who''s published four books, three of which are devoted entirely to sound economics. He was raised on a dairy farm in Pennsylvania as a pious Lutheran, but now he attends a Baptist church. Paul is given to mulling things over morally. Whenever he recollects the helicopter pilots he treated as an Air Force Flight Surgeon (Captain) during the Vietnam War, a war which he now says was "totally unnecessary and illegal," he laments, "They were gung-ho. I%u2019ve often thought about how many of those people never came back." Candidates with the high level of personal integrity and proven track record of adherance to The Constitution, Congressman Paul has always demonstrated only come around once in a lifetime, if we''re lucky.

[usprophet]

Ron Paul represents a different Republican Party from the one that Iraq, deficits and corruption have soured the country on. It''s ironic that other GOP candidates are scared to death of his message, BECAUSE his is more conservative than theirs. Being anti-war IS CONSERVATIVE. Another key difference between his message and the others is that he is a strong defender of The Constitution, which protects our civil liberties. The other Presidential candidates, who are mostly NWO Oligarchs, want to erase your liberties. They''ve tried hard to exlude Paul from the spotlight, along with the sold-out, mainstream media (CBS). In late June, despite a life of antitax agitation and pious churchgoing, he was excluded from a Republican forum sponsored by Iowa anti-tax and Christian groups. Ron Paul does not represent your Father''s school of political thought. He represents your Founding Fathers. He stands for a certain idea of the Constitution; the idea that much of the power asserted by modern presidents has been usurped from Congress, and that much of the power asserted by Congress has been usurped from the States. Though Dr. Paul acknowledges flaws in both The Constitution (it included slavery) and its Bill of Rights (it doesn%u2019t go far enough), he still thinks a comprehensive array of positions can be drawn therefrom: against gun control; for the sovereignty of States; and against foreign-policy adventures. His message draws on the noblest traditions of American decency and patriotism.

[usprophet]

Some people say, "a Republican? I''d never vote for a Republican." Let me remind you folks that Abraham Lincoln, who freed the slaves, and who won the war to preserve our Union, WAS himself a Republican. Would you have voted for Stephen Douglas, who was ardently pro slavery, against Lincoln simply because he was a Democrat? Of course you wouldn''t. It''s the person your voting for, and the ideas he or she represents, NOT the party. Ron Paul represents a different Republican Party from the one that Iraq, deficits and corruption have soured the country on. The Republican party has "lost its way," he said recently, during a GOP debate. Like the limited federal government principles espoused by Dwight D. Eisenhower, his school of Republicanism stands for a certain idea of the Constitution that much of the power asserted by modern Presidents has been usurped from Congress, and that much of the power asserted by Congress has been usurped from the States. Though Paul acknowledges flaws in both the Constitution (it included slavery) and the Bill of Rights (it doesn''t go far enough), he still thinks a comprehensive array of positions can be drawn therefrom: against gun control; for the sovereignty of States; and against foreign-policy adventures like the ones currently being played-out in the Mid-East. After ten terms of service as a U.S. Congressman, Ron Paul has demonstarted a consistent track record of adherance to The Constitution unmatched by anyone in either party. Go Ron Paul!

[usprophet]

Most intelligent people can see right through the mainstream media''s bias against Ron Paul. "What about the polls?", you ask. As someone who''s been in the business, I know you can make a poll result look anyway you want. All you have to do is call or not call on people in a certain demographic group to achieve your desired result. You can see the man has support. He''s won ALL of the viewer call-in polls in ALL of the GOP debates he''s been in. People everywhere are in the street, and on the Net, supporting him like no other. And his campaign chest is growing daily, and not from huge corporate donations like the other GOP and Democratic party candidates get from defense contractors and bankers, but from grass root supporters who give what little they can afford--$5, $10, whatever. This is a 21st Century political revolution, my friends, and the Oligarchs or on the defensive. Ignore what the media network giants like CBS tell you. They sold-out to the status quo decades ago. This man has some major grass roots support across this country. Millions of Americans believe he is our only hope to restore peace, prosperity and freedom in this country. Presidential candidates with the personal integrity and proven track record of adherance to The Constitution Congressman, Paul has always demonstrated only come around only once in a lifetime, if we''re lucky. The stakes are too high. The cause of freedom is too important. Get off your couch, put the remote down and support Ron Paul!

[usprophet]

Ron Paul can win the GOP nomination. If he does, I predict a landslide victory in November of 2008. Even the oddsmakers in Vegas aren''t willing to discount his chances. They''re currently giving him 6:1 odds to win against Hitlery if he gets the nomination. Romney, McCain and the globalist, sell-out Giuliani aren''t given anything better than a 25:1 chance of winning if they get the GOP nod. All it takes is for formerly apathetic individuals to get off the couch and nominate him in their local Republican primary or caucus process. Political parties are nothing more than tools. Those who read the manual and use the tools properly will win the nomination for their candidate. For the past 20 years, many good people have stayed at home and accepted whatever candidate they let others select for them. This year, those people are learning how to use their vote to bring about positive and long overdue political change in this country. To make a difference, you must participate in the Republican primary election or caucus process in your county, precinct or district. Nothing else matters. If we do this, we win. If not, we lose. The GOP has been suffering from declining participation for decades. Fewer than 10% of registered voters have ALL the power because they actually participate. Now the remaining 90% must surge to use their vote as a tool for bringing about positive change to our country. The time to act is now. The time for political revolution has come. The time for Ron Paul is NOW!

[usprophet]

What''s Ron''s message? Whatever you think Dr. Paul''s campaign is about, the main thing it has done thus far is to serve as a clearinghouse for voters like me who feel unrepresented by New World Order Fasciscts (mainstream Republicans) and their Socialist comrades in crime (mainstream Democrats). They''re actually one and the same. There is no real difference between the two parties. Most people, though, are too distracted, dumbed-down, or outright brainwashed by mainstream media, which endlessly regurgitates scientifically-crafted streams of information and entertainment aimed at imprisoning their minds and keeping their eyes closed to the realities of the world around them, to recognize this. Those currently in power, and those being groomed to take [major] political power, are the global elite, and we are their "Plebs." People on the right and those on the left have many differences, maybe irreconcilable ones. But they have a lot of common beliefs too, and their numbers and anger are of a considerable magnitude. No matter what happens in 2008, I personally believe Ron Paul will influence the national conversation about what the role of the federal government is, how much power should government have over our lives, how much liberty we should give up for security. These are important issues, and frankly, no one''s talking about them as seriously and sincerely as Ron Paul. What''s for sure is that his growing army of supporters like me will be a force to be reckoned with in 2008.

[usprophet]

"The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home."
- James Madison

"Those that give give up essential liberties for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin

"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
- Abraham Lincoln

"We have nothing to fear but fear itself, and those who would exploit our fear for power and their own personal, selfish, cynical gain."
- Franklin D. Roosevelt

"Peace is not the absence of conflict. It is the ability to handle conflict through peaceful means."
- Ronald Reagan

"Those who expect to reap the blessing of freedom must...undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
- Thomas Paine

"Liberty, when it takes root, is a plant of rapid growth."
- George Washington

"Commerce with all nations. Alliances with none."
- Thomas Jefferson

"Wars are poor chisels for carving-out peaceful tomorrows."
- Martin Luther King Jr.

"Ron Paul does''nt represent your Father''s style of political thought. He represents your Founding Fathers."
- Me

[gunnerv1]

So, what else is new with the "Up tight" North East?

[cfin5]

ziparmux,.......Here in the United States our school system has "hushed" our founding fathers history in general for two generations. This fact coupled with wealth lead our elected leaders to please some of our citizens unconstitutional "wants" while at the same time clandestinely (by precedents) confiscating our constitutional "needs". It has been a very slow "frog boiling" strategy against our rights. But as of lately, I think that the current events and information available on the internet regarding the unconstitutional folly of our leaders have "woke us up" as never before........We are NOT going to sleep like this again. This is why Ron Paul is the "man of the hour" to start the house cleaning process that is way over do. What I have said is just a tidbit of information that needs to be addressed.

[ianlou]

I think if Bush read Eisenhower''s quotes from a teleprompter, he''d still screw them up.

[ziparmux]

Posted by ianlou at 02:46 PM : Nov 02, 2007



What a distinction bewtween Bush and Eisenhower, respecting the quotes.

Who in the future will quote anything from Bush that represent, (thought for a while) anything of value to anyone? No one unless they have an IQ of -106.

The picture that history will epitomise Bush Jr with is, the morning of 9/11, where he aptly (even that is going it bit far) was reading a picture/story book to young children. He was in the wrong place in the classroom, he belonged with those he was reading to. History will laugh when they see these images of the President, of the USA shuffling in a chair like a 5 years old while the capital city was under seige, by Al-CIA-da.

[ianlou]

Here''''s some of my favorite Quotes from George W. Bush:

"I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we''re really talking about peace." %u2014Washington, D.C. June 18, 2002

"I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn''t do my job." %u2014to a group of Amish he met with privately, July 9, 2004

%u201CWe found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories %u2026 And we''ll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven''t found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they''re wrong, we found them." %u2014Washington, D.C., May 30, 2003

"Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere!" %u2014President George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., March 24, 2004

"If this were a dictatorship, it''d be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I''m the dictator." %u2014Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000

"There''s an old saying in Tennessee %u2014 I know it''s in Texas, probably in Tennessee %u2014 that says, fool me once, shame on %u2014 shame on you. Fool me %u2014 you can''t get fooled again." %u2014Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002

"Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren''t able to practice their love with women all across this country." %u2014Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." %u2014Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

[ianlou]

Here''s some of my favorite Eisenhower Quotes:

You don''t lead by hitting people over the head-that''s assault, not leadership.

Any time we deny any citizen the full exercise of his constitutional rights, we are weakening our own claim to them.

"Don''t join the book burners. Don''t think you''re going to conceal faults by concealing evidence that they ever existed. Don''t be afraid to go in your library and read every book...."

When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go and fight it. After my experience, I have come to hate war.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

May we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion.

The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without.

There is no glory in battle worth the blood it costs.

There''s no tragedy in life like the death of a child. Things never get back to the way they were.

War settles nothing.

We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security.

[ziparmux]

"Liberty can not be preserved without a general knowledge among the people."

John Adams


"The basis of a democratic state is liberty."

Aristotle

[ziparmux]

"Those who expect to reap the blessing of freedom must...undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
- Thomas Paine

Posted by USProphet at 02:01 PM : Nov 02, 2007

Out of all the quotes, I think the one above is the most poignant, given the circumstances we face.