Waterboarding: Interrogation Or Torture?

Technique Dates Back To Spanish Inquisition And Has Been Used By World's Cruelest Regimes

(CBS)  Waterboarding, a controversial interrogation technique that simulates drowning, dates back to at least the Spanish Inquisition, and has been used some of the world's cruelest dictatorships, according to Human Rights Watch.

Forms of waterboarding vary but generally consist of immobilizing an individual on his or her back - head inclined downward - and pouring water over the face to induce the sensation of drowning.

Other techniques include dunking prisoners head-first into water, as was used by Chadian military forces in the mid 1980s. The Khmer Rouge, responsible for the deaths of approximately 1.5 million Cambodians during the 1970s, strapped victims on inclined boards, with feet raised and head lowered, and covered their faces with cloth or cellophane. Water then was poured over their mouths to stimulate drowning.

Waterboarding, long considered a form of torture by the United States, produces a gag reflex and makes the victim believe death is imminent. The technique leaves no visible physical damage.

Republican presidential candidate John McCain, who was tortured as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam, considers waterboarding a form of torture. McCain has been quoted as saying that waterboarding is "no different than holding a pistol to his head and firing a blank."

After World War II, U.S. military commissions prosecuted several Japanese soldiers for subjecting U.S. soldiers to waterboarding, according to Human Rights Watch. In 1968, a U.S. soldier was court-martialed for water boarding a Vietnamese prisoner.

But in October 2006, Vice President Dick Cheney confirmed the United States had used the controversial technique to interrogate senior Al Qaeda suspects, and he said the White House did not consider waterboarding a form of torture.

In the aftermath of September 11, fewer than 100 terrorists have been held in the CIA's secret prisons, and fewer than one third of those have been subjected to what CIA Director Michael Hayden calls "special methods of interrogation," and what others called torture.

"The intelligence they produce is absolutely irreplaceable," Hayden said. "It's been crucial in giving us a better understanding of the enemy we face as well as leads on taking in taking other terrorists off the battlefield."

The CIA says it no longer uses waterboarding.

Cheney confirmed waterboarding was used to interrogate Khaled Sheikh Mohammed, the senior Al Qaeda operative now being held in Guantanamo Bay, adding that the use of the technique was "a no-brainer."

"The Bush administration continues to astonish," said Larry Cox, Amnesty International USA's executive director. "Its own State Department has labeled water boarding torture when it applies to other countries. Yet in President Bush's legal wonderland, water boarding is renamed an enhanced interrogation technique. President Bush continues to assert that his administration is complying with U.S. and international law, yet every available fact has proven the contrary."

[feelfree1]

Obviously the Bush regime has fancier torture chambers than Saddam Hussein, but who has the better rape-rooms?

[dowjones20k]

Peculiar, that there is no mention of how many plots were divulged and how many lives were saved?

Did Amnesty International offer any alternatives?

Frankly, if I captured a high command terrorist, I beleive any means to glean intelligence in order to protect innocent human beings from murdered is not unreasonable and good enough for me ...


CONGRATS 2007 WORLD CHAMPION RED SOX !!

[kansas1946]

It is torture. This is no question in any thinking person''s mind on this. Bush is evil. I think that he should undergo this form of torture, he and anyone else that doesn''t think it is torture, and then we will see what they think.

[kansas1946]

Frankly, if I captured a high command terrorist, I beleive any means to glean intelligence in order to protect innocent human beings from murdered is not unreasonable and good enough for me ...
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Innocent human beings????? Anyone who would condone torture is not an innocent human being. If America wants to be the bad guys, fine, then just say we are the bad guys, like the Spanish inquisition, the Nazi''s, the Communist KGB, and every other immoral regime that has been in power. Just don''t be acting like we are the good guys then.

[kansas1946]

CBS, if you truly want to provide a public servicen, then put on prime time programming, a video of a person being water boarded. Let everyone see someone being brought to the point of drowning over and over, let our citizens see that person choking on their own vomit, while their hands are tied, and they are upside down. Let the public see this "benign" form of interrogation, and lets see if they think it is torure. Let them see the evil in this adminstration right out there in the open.

[korinsha]

"Obviously the Bush regime has fancier torture chambers than Saddam Hussein, but who has the better rape-rooms?"
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What does an executed man''s rape-room have to do with waterboarding...?

[oldprophet]

Most Americans just don''t seem to care that our nation, along with the Constitution upon which it was founded, is being flushed-down the NWO toilet by our nations'' ruling elite. While the Oligarchs warn and insite fear in the sheeple about the prospect of terrorism, they at the same time leave our border wide open, and fund and conduct illegal wars overseas that do nothing but encite the terrorism which their Draconian Laws like the Patriot Act and The Real ID Act pretend to protect us from. Wake up America! It''s not about protecting you from terrorism, or saving our planet from Global Warming, or any of that fear-mongering garbage the sold-out, mainstream media feeds you 24/7. It''s about feeding the military industrial complex and facilitating the ruling elite''s ability to ratchet-down control over the American people, placing us into a total control grid where they can surveille, track and control everywhere we go and everything we do. It''s the groundwork for totalitarianism. It''s New World Order plan of Bush, Clinton, et.al., being executed quite beautifully. You''re a victim of mass mind control. I weep for my country, and for those of you who are so distracted, dumbed-down, or outright brainwashed by mainstream media, which endlessly regurgitates scientifically-crafted streams of information aimed at keeping your eyes closed to the realities of the world around you, that you fail to recognize this. Bring back freedom and liberty to this country. Vote for Ron Paul!

[oldprophet]

I don''t know about you, but I''m sick of no-win pseudo-wars, like The War on Drugs and The War on Terrorism. I''m sick of undeclared wars like The War in Iraq and unnecessary and protracted police actions like the one in Korea. I''m sick of income taxes, which are unconstitutional because they are are a direct tax and are not equally apportioned as the Constitution requires. I''m sick of back door national ID cards like The Real ID Act. I''m sick of warrantless domestic spying by the Department of Homeland Insecurity and the loss of my civil liberties as a result of Draconian, fear-based Laws with oxymoronic names like The Patrot Act. I''m sick of secret offshore prisons like the one in Guantanamo, where our government tortures prisoners, who have no right to redress of grievance, or to writ of habeus corpus. I''m also sick of the Federal Reserve (a secret group of private banks) manipulation of our worthless, fiat currency. Do yourself a favor. Support the 2008 candidacy of Dr. Ron Paul for President of The United States. I believe he''s our only hope to restore peace, prosperity and freedom in this country. Presidential candidates with the personal integrity and the consistent track record of adherance to our Constitution that Ron Paul has demonstrated only come around once in a lifetime, if we''re lucky. The stakes are too high, and the cause of freedom is too important to let anything stand in the way of our participation in this 21st Century political revolution. Go Ron Paul!

[oldprophet]

Ron Paul does not support secret offshore prisons like the one in Guantanamo, where our government tortures prisoners, who have no right to redress of grievance, or to writ of habeus corpus. Ron Paul promises he will close these "illegal prisons" down. And he wouldn''t necessarily just release the prisoners either. He said he would just bring them to detainment facilities on U.S. soil where they would be entitled to an attorney, and to their day in Court--American Justice. Significant others agree with Paul. "Essentially, we have shaken the belief that the world had in America''s justice system by keeping a place like Guantanamo open and creating things like a military commission," former U.S. Secretary of State, Colin Powell recently said. "What can I do about it," you ask? Support the 2008 candidacy of Dr. Ron Paul for President. I believe he''s our only hope to restore peace, prosperity and civil liberty in this country. Throw-out the New World Order Fascists and their Socialist comrades in crime. Both groups consider themselves above the Constitution. Vote for a REAL American--Ron Paul. Presidential candidates with the integrity and proven track record of adherance to the Constitution Dr. Paul always demonstates only come around once in a lifetime, if we''re lucky. The cause of freedom is too important to let anything stand in the way of our participation in this 21st Century political revolution. The time for change is now. The time for Ron Paul is now!

[feelfree1]

Korinsha,

Re: "What does an executed man''s rape-room have to do with waterboarding...?"

I was attempting to compare the atrocities of the rival "Butchers of Baghdad".

Waterboarding happens to be a favored technique of the Bush-puppet Butcher.

[koodra]

Bush is supposed to be religious, right?
A "values" President.
So...What happened to the value of The Golden Rule?
Do unto others as you would have done unto you?

I say you don''t get to decide if waterboarding is torture on not until you have the integrity to undergo waterboarding as it is performed by those who do it on our behalf. Our New Atty general should undergo it live on TV in front of Congress and then give his honest opinion regardless of any classified paperwork. People will then turn off Survivor and watch C-SPAN and get involved in their Government. But our Govenrment knows that. "Sanitizing" war and just discussing topics is less interesting that actually witnessing the horrors of War.

What is really going on? They lie to us and scare us with the skill of a Prodigy Violinist everyday and we know it. That is scary enough,
but what is truly frightening is what we don''t know.

[jonesforch]

Do unto others as you would have done unto you?
koodra

Does this mean anything that has been done to Bush he should do or say back to that person?

[feelfree1]

jonesforch,

Re: "Does this mean anything that has been done to Bush he should do or say back to that person?"

Nope. But your post reveals that your are too stupid to even comprehend a very basic principle, even when it is spelled out for you.

This is fairly common in the sexually repressed pedophiles and morally bankrupt bible-thumpers that continue to follow the Bush-puppet Fuhrer (heil).

[kansas1946]

How bout CBS showing the beheading of Nick Berg, and Mr. Johnson
those are true atrocities. I read teh article on waterboarding, nobody has ever died, and no damage is left.
Wanna know how real the threat of terrorism is
http://usawakeup.org/
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So, you want to be like the bad guys, then move the f*** to Iran. Me, I always lived in the country of the good guys, and I intend to fight tooth and nail to keep it that way. You want to torture people, move Lybia, or Syria, or Egypt. They LOVE to torture people. I am staying here and fighting fascists, whether they be Islamic fundamentalists, or guys living in the WhiteHouse.

[kansas1946]

Peculiar, that there is no mention of how many plots were divulged and how many lives were saved?
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Not peculiar, because there weren''t any. You don''t think Bush would be parading around pointing to any intellegence that saved lives. Hell, he outed a CIA undercover agent for revenge, I am sure he wouldn''t hesitate to divulge a little confession under torture if it made him look good.

[l8c6]

There was Whitewater, Jennifer Flowers then finally after millions of dollars of taxpayer funds spent Monica Lewinski and her Ji*zz stained blue dress a la Linda Tripp. Finally Monica got the right wing republican neocons on the path to a successful impeachment of Clinton because he denied Monica blew him.

For every evangelical republican who voted for this warped immoral right wing fascist republican ideology, you ought to be warned you will be held accountable so REPENT now while you can.

These fascist right wing republican creatures don''t give one c*rap if there is abortion or not. They want votes and the preacher men want their payoffs from corrupt right wing politicians for advocating to their flock on behalf of the absolutely deceitful right wing neocon republican party.

[l8c6]

How bout CBS showing the beheading of Nick Berg, and Mr. Johnson
those are true atrocities. I read teh article on waterboarding, nobody has ever died, and no damage is left.
Wanna know how real the threat of terrorism is
http://usawakeup.org/


If we are leaders of the high ground how is it we can stoop to the depths of the barbarians without becoming the barbarians? By choosing to torture in revenge we have chosen to follow the way of the barbarians and have chosen to be led by their ways.

[l8c6]

You *** treat the war on terror as a joke and you want us to get attacked again. Well if we do you get the direct blame for it, and people will just start stringing up ragheads all over.
Either we fight the *** over in Iraq, or we fight them here.
You commies can get ******.

Posted by capt777737


Insulting with such a violent tone your fellow american brethren might leave you standing alone facing the majorities right to protect themselves from you.

[oldprophet]

Ron Paul does not support secret offshore prisons like the one in Guantanamo, where our government tortures prisoners, who have no right to redress of grievance, or to writ of habeus corpus. Ron Paul promises he will close these "illegal prisons" down. And he wouldn''t necessarily just release the prisoners either. He said he would just bring them to detainment facilities on U.S. soil where they would be entitled to an attorney, and to their day in Court--American Justice. Significant others agree with Paul. "Essentially, we have shaken the belief that the world had in America''s justice system by keeping a place like Guantanamo open and creating things like a military commission," former U.S. Secretary of State, Colin Powell recently said. "What can I do about it," you ask? Support the 2008 candidacy of Dr. Ron Paul for President. I believe he''s our only hope to restore peace, prosperity and civil liberty in this country. Throw-out the New World Order Fascists and their Socialist comrades in crime. Both groups consider themselves above the Constitution. Vote for a REAL American--Ron Paul. Presidential candidates with the integrity and proven track record of adherance to the Constitution Dr. Paul always demonstates only come around once in a lifetime, if we''re lucky. The cause of freedom is too important to let anything stand in the way of our participation in this 21st Century political revolution. The time for change is now. The time for Ron Paul is now!

[sblake63]

The prisoners should have been executed without question. They would not hesitate beheading any one of you, given the chance - think about it.

[sblake63]

Posted by l8c6 at 11:06 PM : Nov 01, 2007

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And you people with the left wing leanings will be held accountable for every abortion done in America since 1973. You dont like the term liberal but too bad, if the shoe fits, wear it. The thought of a terrorist being totured sickens you, a phone call being recorded with about a court order scares you. But 40 million umborn children torn apart in a waste basket at a "clinic" is somebody''s "private matter".

You cant pick and choose your so called "injustices". We have a genocide right here in America. But because it''s tied directly to somebodys "sexual freedom" - You wont touch it with a 10 foot pole!

You call us on the religious right warped? My goodness look at yourselves comparing us to Hitler, but by your own actions (voting for pro choice) you have surpassed Hitler 20 fold in mass murder. **** and come back to the table whe you can speak against things CONSISTENTLY!

[grazinggoat]

The Bush administration continues to astonish," said Larry Cox, Amnesty International USA''s executive director. "Its own State Department has labeled water boarding torture when it applies to other countries. Yet in President Bush''s legal wonderland, water boarding is renamed an enhanced interrogation technique. President Bush continues to assert that his administration is complying with U.S. and international law, yet every available fact has proven the contrary."

-Impeach the Walking-Liar and his wax-face V-P.

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[libsluvsuvs]

to save american lives...

YES WHY NOT!
I SAY WE SHOULD PUT FIRE IN THE PICTURE..

[libsluvsuvs]

Posted by grazinggoat at 01:14 AM : Nov 02, 2007
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I am glad to hear that you will go to great lengths to assure that you support and when called upon, protect our OWN TRIBE..

[tbweb]

If getting up close to someone and talking in their face with bad breath is torture so is Waterboarding! LOL

[undermyboot]

Posted by sblake63 at 11:48 PM : Nov 01, 2007
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I''ll personally hold down this fascist while we subject the Bush parrot to his own "enhanced interrogation techniques" to find out information on why his kind no longer love America or it''s Constitution, but instead support the kind of societies that spawned the inquisition, Pol Pot, commie Russia, China, and the rest. Evidently these puny fascists love their totalitarian governments and can''t wait to impose them on us. Thank God for the 2nd amendment. The last thing these traitors will feel is my 9 mil shoved up their a.... And you can take THAT to the bank mofos.

[ncsentinel]

Waterboarding is essential to finding out information that is needed to PROTECT OUR COUNTRY. I''m disappointed that the "lefties" are even making this an issue.

Although I respect Sen. McCain beyond words and thank him for his service to our Nation, I must disagree with him on this issue. This is a safe way to physically and mentally bring a prisoner to the point of giving the information needed.

If the Bush Administration does not gain the information, CBS will say he didn''t do enough to protect us. If they use this technique and gain the information needed to protect us, they feel sorry for the people that want us dead.

Real torture that Sen. McCain and other endured can be found in the drawings of Mike McGrath, former POW from Vietnam, the prisoners of Sadam, and the survivors of the Bataan Death March.

Get it together America. Do you want to see more of what happened on 9-11? Toughen our skin and quit being soft.

CBS should mean "Communist Broadcasting System"!

[prinzowhales]

With torture, you can get someone to tell you whatever you want to hear...waterboarding is torture...if you don''t think so, I invite you to undergo it...This pig, Mukasey, can''t even bring himself to admit that it is torture...despite the fact that Nazis were imprisoned for years for doing it to their prisoners.

capt777737--The ''war'' on terror is a joke, a very macabre joke on those of us who have to pay for this rip off and those unfortunate enough to have to fight the Stupid Peoples'' War for Oil, Israel and Oligarchy.
Trite people with silly saws..."either we fight the *** over in Iraq, or we fight them here"...must operate on the same intellectual level as the pigeon who taps a lever for a treat...the border is wide open...no one is forcing any opposing forces--real, imagined or controlled by us-- to contain their actions within the Iraqi theatre of operations. Only the truly stupid and deluded could believe such a preposterous peice of nonsense...and by the way, fool, the Iraqi and American communist leadership backed the Bush invasion, shocking even some of the wretches who bought into their scam...just as the Hitler-Stalin Pact awakened deluded do-gooders in the Thirties.

[prinzowhales]

ncsentinel--If waterboarding is "essential" to getting the information ''to protect our country''...then don''t you think that anyone who applies for an important job in the US intel and security apparat should be pre-emptively waterboarded for the sake of counter-intelligence?...If it is so essential, then why waste time with any other method of gathering information...lets just give the pig-faced, low-brow savages at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib a pale of water and turn them loose on the world...to ''ell with SIGNINT, ELINT and COMINT...lets just reduce HUMINT to the "essentials" of a big pale of water to dunk anyone unfortunate enough to be sold into captivity by our grubby little troll allies and hirelings in Iraq and Afghanistan...save a lot of money that way...the ultimate weapon in the Jack Bauer clones'' ''Arsenal of Stupidity''...a bucket of water

[mark19562-2009]

You dumb-*** morons on the left--the "Bush is evil" crowd, the commies, the Amnesty Internationals, the "Black Helicopter crowd" idiots are incredible! No one can possibly be this stupid! Let me put it in simple terms, so that your feeble minds can understand! First, it''s NOT torture! It''s VERY unpleasant, no doubt. So was dropping a glass bottle on my foot when I was a kid! It''s not supposed to be pleasant ***! Second, even if it is, so what? These people are animals, they are not humans! What if it was your daughter or wife that was kidnapped and was going to be killed if you didn''t find her? Would YOU personally inflict "torture" (read, any means necessary!) on someone if you KNEW that they absolutely could divulge her whereabouts and thereby save her life? You''re damned right you would! What if perhaps you could save the lives of 10''s, or 100''s, or 1,000''s of innocent people? You gutless, disingenuous cowards make me sick! They would no doubt slice off your head (you''re not using yours anyway, so maybe no great loss!), or your wife''s or your young child''s if they had the chance! You''re mostly burned out 60''s *** that want to join hands and sway back and forth on a green hillside to "I''d like to teach the world to sing!" Wake up to reality! There are bad, evil, monstrous people in this world. When we protect ourselves against them, we are not "lowering ourselves to their level."

[mark19562-2009]

As to why Bush hasn''t disclosed specifics of intel that has come about as a result, that is so stupid as to not even deserve a response! Almost as the for people lying through it (torture). I have to say a few words on this though. Maybe occasionally one will lie. Then go back and try some different "techniques" which make water boarding seem like patty-cake and they''ll tell the truth!

You un-American *** live in the greatest country on earth--no, it''s not pefect--and you decry the people and institutions that have made it great and make it great today, and give you the freedom that you enjoy. You are blood-sucking leaches--parasites that will eventually kill their host if given the chance, but you''re too stupid to know it!

Also, I agree that MOST of you love shedding innocent blood when it comes to abortion, but when it comes to protecting ourselves against our sworn enemies, you cower like little whipped puppies! You make me sick!

[ixoye_02]

What idiot would believe that torturing someone for information would necessarily result in reliable information? This administration seems desperate to justify torture because it is saving American lives. Why not save American lives by providing adequate Homeland security, healthcare, and clean water and food? Those who believe that we can justify anything if it saves American lives need to reexamine just what saving American lives mean. And when we can''t draw the line against immoral and unlawful activity, then we are compromising our principles. Bush is playing a dangerous game of playing semantics on what should be a clear-cut position. How can we claim the moral high ground if we are splitting hairs about waterboarding? Bush is more interested in technicalities than principle. God help our troops should they be captured and "interrogated" like we have done with the suspected terrorists. What''s more, how do we explain what happened to those whose rendition to foreign countries for "interrogation"? We found out that these people were tortured at the hands of foreigners under US direction.

[logicanada]

Water boarding is not torture, much like the pulling of fingernails is simply a means of low maintainance nail care.

[zootallures2]

Water boarding is not torture, much like the pulling of fingernails is simply a means of low maintainance nail care.

Posted by logicanada at 05:24 PM : Nov 02, 2007

And just because the deck was higher up, it didn''t help the Titanic for very long.

[prinzowhales]

mark19562-- One of the objections to torture is that it is "VERY unpleasant"...in fact, that just about sums up my objections to torture. The link below goes to a blog that notes that in 1948 a US tribunal thought it was torture as well.

I don''t know how many video games you have to play to come to the conclusion that people picked up in random sweeps, innocent sheep herders turned in for enormous sums of money for having alleged terrorist links, and others are not "human" and then justify their torture by some maniacal calculation that torturing them is saving lives...Perhaps you can show us a case where this has saved some lives?

I don''t know if the below link will help...the Article is from "No Right Turn" of October 8, 2007...

http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2007/10/acting-like-nazis.html?widgetType=BlogArchive&widgetId=BlogArchive1&action=toggle&dir=open&toggle=MONTHLY-1122811200000&toggleopen=MONTHLY-1191150000000

[siete-pesos]

mc cain is no hero...

mc cain never faced an enemy combatant in his career.

mc cain dropped bombs on women and children in vietnam

while flying 30,000 ft. in the air.

mc cain...just another flim flam republican creep.

[logicanada]

capt777737. . .go back to your trailer, turn on FOX, open a Bud, load your rifle and clean it.

[logicanada]

zootallures2-The Titanic sunk because it''s captain was over eager to impress. When the man at the wheel says to go full steam ahead in a sea full of icebergsand when his misjudgements cause innocent people to die, you know he''s not thinking straight. Sounds just like the neocon machine to me.

[cigalechanta]

I say lets have Bush, Cheney and te rest who think it''s not torture try waterboarding on them.
While we are at it. lets have their young ones go to Iraq.

[cigalechanta]

Let''s have Bush, Cheney and the rest who think lightly of water boarding, have a BIG taste of it, and while we are at it how about their able young shipped off to Iraq.

[sendreidpelo]

Cigalechanta and his fellow cowardly Left Fascists are the ones who deserve to be waterboarded - or at least spend some time with their roach friends in a cell at Gitmo.

After all, they constantly cry about how Bush is taking away their freedoms - BS - and they constantly screech about how ILLEGAL the war in Iraq is (as if the invasion of Kosovo and the 30-days non-stop bombing of Serb civilians in Belgrade by the Impeached Pervert wasn''t)

Maybe Cigalechanta - probably an ILLEGAL alien wants some first hand experience in waterboarding. Actually one of his own Lefty Icons has plenty of experience. The senior Senator of Massachusetts, Edward Ted Kennedy, who did a bit himself one night under the Chappaquidick River Bridge.

Just ask Mary Jo Kopechne. Oh, but you can''t.

[sendreidpelo]

Capt,

Good - and straight to the point post.

A moron like logicanada - note where this bozo is from - would never get it in a million years. He''s too brain dead to think.

Still, execution of spies or saboteurs by military firing squads was considered an honorable death - for those of the Left Fascist mentality who screech "Sieg Heil" Bush - and are the very embodiment of the Nazis they claim to despise, swinging from a gibbet would be much appropo.

After all, they''re cowards and traitors who''d favor a victory by a babykiller like Bin Laden over our troops in Iraq.

Yes, swinging from a gibbet.

[sendreidpelo]

"sounds like the neocon agenda to me" -

Moron.

Revealing your true colors, "illogical Canada"? You are probably a supporter of Hamas and a hater of Jews and Israel as well as our military.

The word Neo-Con is usually an epithet of anti-Semitism dredged up by the Nazis of the Left, particularly those from the new American Hitlerjugend, MoveOn.Org, or the Daily Kos.

Or the same toilet bowl scum who pillored a real LIBERAL, Joe Lieberman, as "Jew" Lieberman, for having the courage to call the war on Terrorism as what it really was - a war against an enemy as evil as Hitler.

But considering that these brain dead bozos who spew "Neo-Con" usually have a kind word for their beloved Adolf, this doesn''t surprise me at all.

[wilc4u]

Now that The way in which To water board has been so reveiled by the news media, kids of all ages will be trying to do it,But again the Bush admin bears the blame as well.

[prinzowhales]

SendReidPelo--You are just about the most ignorant little man I have ever come across on these boards...

Did you know that the intellectual fathers of the Neo-Cons sat at the feet of Leo Strauss, a German Jew recommended by the Nazi legal theorist Carl Schmitt to the Rockefellars? Think about that for a moment, research it and think about it again and see if anything approaching a genuine thought comes through that pea-sized brain bouncing around in an otherwise empty head.

[speakinup]

Prinzowhales - you ARE most ignorant, narcissistic thing I have ever come across on these boards...

[prinzowhales]

Speakingup...but never with anything to say-- Not going to venture an opinion on the Neo-Con question today with your pal, ''SendReidPelo''?

[speakinup]

princess - so what ever happened to the 250 taliban surrounded article, huh ? CBS did REAL justice to that story didn''t they.

Guess enough kids weren''t killed to make it newsworthy. Or, was it just because things were looking good ?

[prinzowhales]

The CBS question, "Interrogation or Torture" offers up a false choice...the torture is used in the interrogations. At Abu Ghraib, it looked as if they were using the torture as an instrument for developing and controlling informants.

[Bullshita]

you know it's called war for a reason if you can get answers from a terrorist about something thats going to help you break a stronghold or gain knowledge of their organization then by all means do it it's not anything worse that they are doing to are soldiers when they are captured, quit worrying about what others think of us even if some of them are in this country and start worrying about the welfare of our safety and future!