Rivals Target Clinton At Debate

Edwards, Obama Assail Democratic Frontrunner Over Iran, Iraq, And Consistency Of Positions

(CBS/AP)  Democrats Barack Obama and John Edwards sharply challenged Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's candor, consistency and judgment Tuesday in a televised debate that underscored her front-runner status two months before the first presidential primary votes.

Obama, the Illinois senator, began immediately, saying Clinton has changed her positions on the North American Free Trade Agreement, torture policies and the Iraq war. Leadership, he said, does not mean "changing positions whenever it's politically convenient."

Edwards, the former North Carolina senator, was even sharper at times, saying Clinton "defends a broken system that's corrupt in Washington, D.C." He stood by his earlier claim that she has engaged in "doubletalk."

Clinton, standing between the two men, largely shrugged off the remarks and defended her positions. She has been the focus of Republican candidates' "conversations and consternation," she said, because she is leading in the polls.

She said she has specific plans on Social Security, diplomacy and health care. "I have been standing against the Republicans, George Bush and Dick Cheney," she said, "and I will continue to do so, and I think Democrats know that."

It was the Democrats' first debate in a month, and during that time Clinton has solidified her front-runner position, gaining in polls, taking the lead in fundraising and dominating the agenda. The Iowa caucuses are scheduled for Jan. 3, and the New Hampshire primary could be even earlier.

Clinton defended her Senate vote in favor of designating Iran's Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist group. Obama, Edwards and others have said President Bush could interpret the measure as congressional approval for a military attack.

Edwards caustically challenged Clinton's claim that she stands up to the Bush administration. "So the way to do that is to vote yes on a resolution that looks like it was written literally by the neocons?" he said.

"In my view, rushing to war - we should not be doing that - but we shouldn't be doing nothing," Clinton said. "And that means we should not let them acquire nuclear weapons, and the best way to prevent that is a full court press on the diplomatic front."

Clinton also was the main focus during a discussion of the Iraq war. Again, Edwards leveled the toughest charges against the New York senator.

"If you believe that combat missions should be continued in Iraq" without a timetable for withdrawal, Edwards said, "then Senator Clinton is your candidate." Edwards vowed to have all combat troops out of Iraq "in my first year in office."

Clinton replied forcefully, saying "I stand for ending the war in Iraq, bringing our troops home." She added, however, that "it is going to take time," and some troops must remain to fight al Qaeda in Iraq.

"I don't know how you pursue al Qaeda without engaging them in combat," she said.

Edwards, drawing a link between Iraq and Iran, pressed on. "What I worry about is, if Bush invades Iran six months from now, I mean, are we going to hear: 'If only I had known then what I know now?"' He was alluding to comments Clinton has made about her 2002 vote to authorize military action against Saddam Hussein.

“Edwards and Obama achieved at least some of what they wanted to do coming into this debate and that was to exploit some of Clinton’s vulnerabilities with the Democratic base, especially on Iran and Iraq,” said CBSNews.com Senior Political Editor Vaughn Ververs. “Clinton defended herself well, but the criticism may play well with voters already uneasy with her past support of the war in Iraq." (Read more debate analysis from Vaughn Ververs in Horserace.)

[usaprophet]

Most Americans just don''t seem to care that our nation, along with the Constitution upon which it was founded, is being flushed-down the NWO toilet by our nations ruling elite. While Congress and the President warn and insite fear in the sheeple about the prospect of terrorism, they at the same time leave our border wide open, and fund and conduct illegal wars overseas that do nothing but encite the terrorism which their Draconian Laws like the Patriot Act and The Real ID Act pretend to protect us from. Think about it. What would you do, if someone invaded the U.S. for no reason, and took over. You''d be mad as hell, and you''d be making trips to their country in order to give a little payback. Wake up America! It''s not about protecting you from terrorism, or saving our planet from Global Warming, or any of that fear-mongering garbage the tube feeds you 24/7. It''s about feeding the military industrial complex and facilitating the ruling elite''s ability to ratchet-down control over the American people, placing us into a total control grid where they can surveille, track and control everywhere we go and everything we do. It''s the groundwork for totalitarianism. I weep for my country, and for those of you who are so distracted, dumbed-down, or outright brainwashed by mainstream media, which endlessly regurgitates scientifically-crafted streams of information aimed at keeping their eyes closed to the realities of the world around them, that they fail to recognize this. Go Ron Paul!.

[usaprophet]

You get the sense that the country is desperate for someone to show us the way. Not the old way. Not the same way, but a NEW WAY. Think about this for a minute. What if we pulled all of our troops out of South Korea? They''ve been there for 50 years. Tens of thousands of them. What if we quit worrying about Iran, but instead, realized that its having a nuclear weapon will not mean the end of the world? What if we pulled all of our troops out of Iraq, and brought them all home? What if we realistically addressed the National Debt, and paid attention to REALLY DOING SOMETHING about stopping illegal immigration? These are the ideas Republican Presidential candidate, Dr. Ron Paul. He''s a ten term Congressman and a physician who has delivered over 4,000 babies. Ron Paul has been married to the same woman for more than 50 years, which means he doesn''t come to the race with the sort of baggage some of the other candidates for the White House do. Paul is given to mulling things over morally. He was once a pious Lutheran, but now attends a Baptist church. He never travels alone with women, and once even dressed-down an aide for using the expression "red-light district" in front of a female colleague. I support the 2008 candidacy of Congressman, Ron Paul for President of The United States. Candidates with the high level of personal integrity and track record of adherance to The Constitution Ron Paul always demonstrates only come around once in a lifetime, if we''re lucky. Go Ron!

[wogerwabbit]

bah... Ron Poop... he''s a republican so I''m not voting for him.

[prinzowhales]

It should be an interesting debate as the Democratic candidates dumpster dive for voters stupid enough to dismiss all of the Republican candidates simply because of the party label.

[badmofojim]

thefarrier, why dont you contrubite something to these posts instead of flaming them with Ron Paul shat.

I love watching Clinton take it up the arse from both parties.

[cfin5]

All they need to do is give a nice healthy "history" lesson that contrasts her campaign talk. Simple as that.

[usaprophet]

I don''t know about you, but I''m sick of no-win pseudo-wars, like The War on Drugs and The War on Terrorism. I''m sick of undeclared wars like The War in Iraq and unnecessary and protracted police actions like the one in Korea. I''m sick of income taxes, which are unconstitutional because they are are a direct tax and are not equally apportioned as the Constitution requires. I''m sick of back door national ID cards like The Real ID Act. I''m sick of warrantless domestic spying by the Department of Homeland Insecurity and the loss of my civil liberties as a result of Draconian, fear-based Laws with oxymoronic names like The Patrot Act. I''m sick of secret offshore prisons like the one in Guantanamo, where our government tortures prisoners, who have no right to redress of grievance, or to writ of habeus corpus. I''m also sick of the Federal Reserve (a secret group of private banks) manipulation of our worthless, fiat currency. Do yourself a favor. Support the 2008 candidacy of Dr. Ron Paul for President of The United States. I believe he''s our only hope to restore peace, prosperity and freedom in this country. Presidential candidates with the integrity and the consistent track record of adherance to our Constitution that Ron Paul has demonstrated only come around once in a lifetime, if we''re lucky. The stakes are too high, and the cause of freedom is too important to let anything stand in the way of our participation in this 21st Century political revolution. Go Ron Paul!

[bobgee_1999]

Was anyone here old enough to vote in 2000 or ''04? None of this matters any more.

[sgtrds]

Excellent debate so far.........anyone on that stage would be a 100 times better president then any of the republicans running....not even close...

[iceman_1960]

"Was anyone here old enough to vote in 2000 or "04?"
- Posted by bobgee_1999 at 09:06 PM : Oct 30, 2007

I cast my first [and proudest] vote for George McGovern in 1972.

How different everything would be today, if he had won.

As it was, Nixon won with 60.7% of the vote.

That is significantly less than the 64% of Americans who now want U.S. troops out of Iraq within a year.

[bpm69]

Before I could vote I considered myself an independent, back when you heard about that party, but for all of my 10 voting years I have considered myself a democrat. I was originally captivated by Obama, then I heard Kucinich''s speech full of positivity and good. Now, it seems, the only candidates on EITHER side that are NOT completely full of *** are Republican Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, and Mike Gravel. Still not sure about Dodd.

This year I registered as a republican to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries. We NEED him for at least one term, to take everything back to the way it was intended, for which he has pledged to ease us through the transition, stop subsidising and blowing trillions of dollars on every country BUT the U.S., get rid of the deficit, trade freely, gain a surplus, and THEN we can decide whether or not to start funding things.


Extreme times call for extreme measures.

[bpm69]

Before I could vote I considered myself an independent, back when you heard about that party, but for all of my 10 voting years I have considered myself a democrat. I was originally captivated by Obama, then I heard Kucinich''s speech full of positivity and good. Now, it seems, the only candidates on EITHER side that are NOT completely full of *** are Republican Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, and Mike Gravel. Still not sure about Dodd.

This year I registered as a republican to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries. We NEED him for at least one term, to take everything back to the way it was intended, for which he has pledged to ease us through the transition, stop subsidising and blowing trillions of dollars on every country BUT the U.S., get rid of the deficit, trade freely, gain a surplus, and THEN we can decide whether or not to start funding things.


Extreme times call for extreme measures.

[condumism]

Posted by thefarrier
Go Ron Paul!

Ron Paul wants to legalize prostitution, and end the War on Drugs. With that, Ron Paul will be first time I have voted for a Republicon since I WAS GUARANTEED that right to vote in 1964.

[iceman_1960]

"Regarding Iran, Clinton said, "I want to prevent a rush to war."

There won"t even be a stroll to war with Iran.

Anyone who thinks Bush & company would get away with invading Iran, a large nation with 70 million people, after what has taken place over 4+ years in Iraq, a land of 27 million, just doesn"t have their thinking cap on.

War with Iran now is a Neocon Wet Dream. It should only be discussed in airport restrooms, to the sound of toe tapping.

[sgtrds]

War with Iran now is a Neocon Wet Dream. It should only be discussed in airport restrooms, to the sound of toe tapping.

Posted by Iceman_1960 at 10:17 PM : Oct 30, 2007

I agree, but I also think that Bush and Cheney are insane enough to try it anyway. No one in their right mind would attempt it, but they are not in their right mind. I think they really are that nuts. I also have no doubt that it would be a bloodbath of historic proportions.

[PollM]

With Clinton holding a huge lead among Democrats in national opinion polls ahead of the November 2008 election, rivals Barack Obama, John Edwards, Chris Dodd, Bill Richardson and Joseph Biden all took turns aiming shots at the New York senator in hopes of bringing her back to the pack.

Who do you think won the Philadelphia NBC - MSNBC News Democratic Presidential Debate?
---- http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=842
.

[condumism]

FACT: CorporatiSM IS US undre Hillary!

[rfcnj68]

I say you all stop being robots and vote for an independent candidate and really **** Washington off. want to make a change quit crying and do it stop following party lines be a free thinker and start doing what is best for the country.

You all remind me of the Wendy%u2019s commercial where everyone one is following one another and jumping off the cliff because everyone else is doing it. Then the guy playing Wendy turns and goes away from the flow to be different and think different from everyone else. This is what we all need to do be free thinkers not the robots that go with the flow.

[cfin5]

John Edwards took it for sure tonight.

[billpl-2009]

Right wrong or indifferent,
Ron Paul is just a grouchy old man
no one will ever take him seriously

[smirk5]

rfcnj68,

You''re so right.

Can I get a single combination meal to go please?

[brianbwb-2009]

Extreme times call for extreme measures.
Posted by bpm69

The problem is that Paul is aligned with a party whose extremism got us into this mess.

The last thing we need is the Republican baggage of David Duke, the Pats (Robertson and Buchanan) and the bush klan.

Paul blew ir by aligning himself with the Fascists.

[sgtrds]

"Giuliani''s entire message is "a noun, a verb and 9/11," Biden said"

The best shot of the evening.

[sgtrds]

The problem is that Paul is aligned with a party whose extremism got us into this mess.

Posted by brianbwb at 11:38 PM : Oct 30, 2007

Ron Paul is the Ralph Nader of the republican party. He can''t win, but he might peel away enough republican votes in his futility, to guarantee a democratic victory. Here''s hoping he runs as an independent. Hell I''ll contribute.

[iceman_1960]

You"re just figuring this out now, Mr. Kucinich. Most of us have known for years that Dubya is fruitier than a grove of mango trees.

"Kucinich questions Bush"s mental health

Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich questioned President Bush"s mental health in light of comments he made about a nuclear Iran precipitating World War III.

"I seriously believe we have to start asking questions about his mental health," Kucinich, an Ohio congressman, said in an interview with The Philadelphia Inquirer''s editorial board on Tuesday. "There"s something wrong. He does not seem to understand his words have real impact."

Source:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071030/ap_on_el_pr/kucinich_bush

[iceman_1960]

"Right wrong or indifferent,
Ron Paul is just a grouchy old man
no one will ever take him seriously"
- Posted by billpl at 11:11 PM : Oct 30, 2007

I"m not so sure.

Grouchy times call for grouchy old men.

[usaprophet]

Some people say, "a Republican? I''d never vote for a Republican." Let me remind you folks that Abraham Lincoln, who freed the slaves, and who won the war to preserve our Union, WAS himself a Republican. Would you have voted for Stephen Douglas, who was ardently pro slavery, against Lincoln simply because he was a Democrat. Of course you wouldn''t. It''s the person your voting for, and the ideas he or she represents, NOT the party. Paul represents a different Republican Party from the one that Iraq, deficits and corruption have soured the country on. The Republican party has "lost its way," he said recently during a GOP debate. Like the limited federal government principles espoused by Dwight D. Eisenhower, his school of Republicanism stands for a certain idea of the Constitution that much of the power asserted by modern Presidents has been usurped from Congress, and that much of the power asserted by Congress has been usurped from the States. Though Paul acknowledges flaws in both the Constitution (it included slavery) and the Bill of Rights (it doesn%u2019t go far enough), he still thinks a comprehensive array of positions can be drawn therefrom: against gun control; for the sovereignty of States; and against foreign-policy adventures like the ones currently being played-out in the Mid-East. After ten terms of service as a U.S. Congressman, Ron Paul has demonstarted a consistent track record of adherance to The Constitution which is unmatched by anyone in either party. Go Ron Paul!

[iceman_1960]

"Extreme times call for extreme measures."
- Posted by bpm69

First stated by Hippocrates:

"Desperate diseases call for desperate remedies."

[usaprophet]

Most Americans just don''t seem to care that our nation, along with the Constitution upon which it was founded, is being flushed-down the NWO toilet by our nations ruling elite. While Congress and the President warn and insite fear in the sheeple about the prospect of terrorism, they at the same time leave our border wide open, and fund and conduct illegal wars overseas that do nothing but encite the terrorism which their Draconian Laws like the Patriot Act and The Real ID Act pretend to protect us from. Think about it. What would you do, if someone invaded the U.S. for no reason, and took over. You''d be mad as hell, and you''d be making trips to their country in order to give a little payback. Wake up America! It''s not about protecting you from terrorism, or saving our planet from Global Warming, or any of that fear-mongering garbage the tube feeds you 24/7. It''s about feeding the military industrial complex and facilitating the ruling elite''s ability to ratchet-down control over the American people, placing us into a total control grid where they can surveille, track and control everywhere we go and everything we do. It''s the groundwork for totalitarianism. I weep for my country, and for those of you who are so distracted, dumbed-down, or outright brainwashed by mainstream media, which endlessly regurgitates scientifically-crafted streams of information aimed at keeping your eyes closed to the realities of the world around you, that you fail to recognize this. Go Ron Paul!.

[usaprophet]

Most Americans just don''t seem to care that our nation, along with the Constitution upon which it was founded, is being flushed-down the NWO toilet by our nations ruling elite. While Congress and the President warn and insite fear in the sheeple about the prospect of terrorism, they at the same time leave our border wide open, and fund and conduct illegal wars overseas that do nothing but encite the terrorism which their Draconian Laws like the Patriot Act and The Real ID Act pretend to protect us from. Think about it. What would you do, if someone invaded the U.S. for no reason, and took over. You''d be mad as hell, and you''d be making trips to their country in order to give a little payback. Wake up America! It''s not about protecting you from terrorism, or saving our planet from Global Warming, or any of that fear-mongering garbage the tube feeds you 24/7. It''s about feeding the military industrial complex and facilitating the ruling elite''s ability to ratchet-down control over the American people, placing us into a total control grid where they can surveille, track and control everywhere we go and everything we do. It''s the groundwork for totalitarianism. I weep for my country, and for those of you who are so distracted, dumbed-down, or outright brainwashed by mainstream media, which endlessly regurgitates scientifically-crafted streams of information aimed at keeping your eyes closed to the realities of the world around you, that you fail to recognize this. Go Ron Paul!.

[iceman_1960]

"Let me remind you folks that Abraham Lincoln, who freed the slaves, and who won the war to preserve our Union, WAS himself a Republican. Would you have voted for Stephen Douglas, who was ardently pro slavery, against Lincoln simply because he was a Democrat."
- Posted by thefarrier at 12:02 AM : Oct 31, 2007

Certainly not.

Stephen Douglas was a grouchy old man.

Who needs that ?

[feelfree1]

I was starting to wonder if the Bush regime and their Democrat Party collaborators were losing their ability to kill American soldiers in their lie-based wars of choice, but it looks like they are back on track.

3 more dead Americans today. Dead for nothing worthwhile.

###

"Baghdad. Insurgents killed three US soldiers southeast of Baghdad on Tuesday in a bomb attack, the military said, cited by AFP."

[sgtrds]

"I seriously believe we have to start asking questions about his mental health," Kucinich, an Ohio congressman, said in an interview with The Philadelphia Inquirer''''s editorial board on Tuesday. "There"s something wrong. He does not seem to understand his words have real impact."

Posted by Iceman_1960 at 11:57 PM : Oct 30, 2007

Bush is mentally ill as is his number one puppet-master Di*ck Cheney. They are in turn delusional and power hungry. Both of them are wild-eyed warmongerers who believe they are above the law and will do as they please no matter what Congress, the Courts and the American people want. They will launch a war against Iran because they want to and they don''t care who opposes them. When they do it will come down to one question and one question only, will the military refuse or will they follow orders. Then they will have truly dragged us down to the level of a banana republic where the entire revolution and future of the country depends on do the soldiers go along with the coup by the current leader or do they (as the saying goes) stay in the barracks and refuse. Given the choice between obeying the will of the people or following their mad dream to invade Iran, they will try to seize power and go forward. As a people we have to decide if we''ll let them get away with it. I''m getting up in years, but I know myself and my weapon will be on the side of throwing them out.

[iceman_1960]

"Authorities say one of the California wildfires was started by a boy playing with matches."

The Iraq war started that way too.

[radiob-2009]

Obamanation and Edwards lay off of Bush and attack Hillaryous. They actually have points unfortunately they have not looked in the mirror lately. One cannot end "lobbyist, special interest, and corporate lapdogs by being one. Bush in need of a mental health checkup? First they have to find a "brain". Now on to organizing a strike and boycott. I suggested targeting "logistics" because every consumer good moves through our major logisitic hubs. Many of which share connections to one another in order to determine the "availablity" of goods. A regional outage in one "logistics" servers occured about 6 mths ago, clients, brokers, shipping lines, trucking companies, rail lines were unable to move goods for 8 hours because they could not determine the exact status of the goods. This affected Chicago, Columbus, Indianapolis, Louisville, Cincinnati and cost several logistics companies along with clients, brokers a large some of money now think of a strike by "logistics" personel nation wide coupled with a boycott of goods for several days. The politicians "achilles heel" is their wallet.

[exobamafan]

Before anything, I am disappointment with the moderators. I thought MSNBC have objective people but what I saw instead were Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. It''s sad to see Tim Russert, joining the targeting of Democratic frontrunner Clinton. I understand Obama and Edwards doing their best to bring her down but when you see a supposed distinguished moderator fueling the anger towards one candidate one can''t help but say "foul"! This is unfair not just to Clinton but to the other candidates as well. On the one hand, the only woman on the stage looked like lil Red Riding Hood in the midst of a pack of wolves, and the moderators metamorphosed into Granny-Wolf. On the other hand, other candidates do not benefit from the lynching. They looked like masochists. Kucinich was right is asking if "this is a debate!" My assessment of this debate is, Clinton won. Obama and Edwards failed to distinguish themselves from each other. The two of them seem to be finishing each others'' sentences all the time. This just goes to show that Clinton''s strategy of staying positive and not losing her eyes on the target--Bush,Cheney, and Republicans-- is the winning strategy. My verdict, and this is just considering the top three candidates-- Hillary won the night and it''s still a waiting game for the other candidates on whether they can live to fight her another day. Biggest losers-- Obama and Edwards for singing a lousy duet throughout the debate.

[gunownerdan]

The Clintons are members of the CFR(Council on Foreign Relations) just like Bush, Giuliani, Romney, Thompson, McCain, Edwards, Obama, and Richardson(just to name a few).
The CFR has hijacked the foreign policy of both parties and their main goal is to destroy American soveriengty and our constitution leading to the formation of a North American Union with Canada and Mexico. Once the dollar is destroyed it will be easy to switch to the "Amero".
Dr. Ron Paul is NOT a member of the CFR and he is the only anti-war and pro-liberty candidate running for president.
ronpaul2008.com

[poopusbuttus]

Did all of you Liberal dummies see Hillary *** gaff that question on drivers licenses for illegals? HAHAHAHA

[poopusbuttus]

ExOSAMAFAN -- You thought MSNBC had objective people? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA You big dummy...

[usaprophet]

You get the sense that the country is desperate for someone to show us the way. Not the old way. Not the same way, but a NEW WAY. Think about this for a minute. What if we pulled all of our troops out of South Korea? They''ve been there for 50 years. Tens of thousands of them. What if we quit worrying about Iran, but instead, realized that its having a nuclear weapon will not mean the end of the world? What if we pulled all of our troops out of Iraq, and brought them all home? What if we realistically addressed the National Debt, and paid attention to REALLY DOING SOMETHING about stopping illegal immigration? These are the ideas Republican Presidential candidate, Dr. Ron Paul. He''s a ten term Congressman and a physician who has delivered over 4,000 babies. Ron Paul has been married to the same woman for more than 50 years, which means he doesn''t come to the race with the sort of baggage some of the other candidates for the White House do. Paul is given to mulling things over morally. He was once a pious Lutheran, but now attends a Baptist church. He never travels alone with women, and once even dressed-down an aide for using the expression "red-light district" in front of a female colleague. I support the 2008 candidacy of Congressman, Ron Paul for President of The United States. Candidates with the high level of personal integrity and track record of adherance to The Constitution Ron Paul always demonstrates only come around once in a lifetime, if we''re lucky. Go Ron!

[usaprophet]

I don''t know about you, but I''m sick of no-win pseudo-wars, like The War on Drugs and The War on Terrorism. I''m sick of undeclared wars like The War in Iraq and unnecessary and protracted police actions like the one in Korea. I''m sick of income taxes, which are unconstitutional because they are are a direct tax and are not equally apportioned as the Constitution requires. I''m sick of back door national ID cards like The Real ID Act. I''m sick of warrantless domestic spying by the Department of Homeland Insecurity and the loss of my civil liberties as a result of Draconian, fear-based Laws with oxymoronic names like The Patrot Act. I''m sick of secret offshore prisons like the one in Guantanamo, where our government tortures prisoners, who have no right to redress of grievance, or to writ of habeus corpus. I''m also sick of the Federal Reserve (a secret group of private banks) manipulation of our worthless, fiat currency. Do yourself a favor. Support the 2008 candidacy of Dr. Ron Paul for President of The United States. I believe he''s our only hope to restore peace, prosperity and freedom in this country. Presidential candidates with the personal integrity and the consistent track record of adherance to our Constitution that Ron Paul has demonstrated only come around once in a lifetime, if we''re lucky. The stakes are too high, and the cause of freedom is too important to let anything stand in the way of our participation in this 21st Century political revolution. Go Ron Paul!

[jerryinohio]

Obama and Edwards made themselves look silly with their ongoing jabs at Hillary Clinton. After all, this was supposed to be a debate of the ISSUES, not a schoolboy, schoolyard mugging of Hillary Clinton, which is what it turned into with the ridiculous Brian Williams and Tim Russert standing on the sidelines appearing to urge them on . . . pretty lame and amazing! Somehow though, Hillary managed to get some of her specific ideas and proposals presented while trying to fend off the ridiculous attacks mostly by Edwards and Obama who after awhile just made themselves look like political hacks. Hillary was the most Presidential because she was thoughtful, smart and professional and in command of the issues while avoiding any personal political attacks . . . just what we need in a President for a change!

[poopusbuttus]

JerryInOhio -- Need some change huh? Well, if indeed you live in Ohio, you will be a key state in the election. Too bad your gonna lose though....

[usaprophet]

Most Americans just don''t seem to care that our nation, along with the Constitution upon which it was founded, is being flushed-down the NWO toilet by our nations'' ruling elite. While Congress and the President warn and insite fear in the sheeple about the prospect of terrorism, they at the same time leave our border wide open, and fund and conduct illegal wars overseas that do nothing but encite the terrorism which their Draconian Laws like the Patriot Act and The Real ID Act pretend to protect us from. Think about it. What would you do, if someone invaded the U.S. for no reason, and took over. You''d be mad as hell, and you''d be making trips to their country in order to give a little payback. Wake up America! It''s not about protecting you from terrorism, or saving our planet from Global Warming, or any of that fear-mongering garbage the tube feeds you 24/7. It''s about feeding the military industrial complex and facilitating the ruling elite''s ability to ratchet-down control over the American people, placing us into a total control grid where they can surveille, track and control everywhere we go and everything we do. It''s the groundwork for totalitarianism. I weep for my country, and for those of you who are so distracted, dumbed-down, or outright brainwashed by mainstream media, which endlessly regurgitates scientifically-crafted streams of information aimed at keeping your eyes closed to the realities of the world around you, that you fail to recognize this. Go Ron Paul!.

[edward1975-2009]

the farrier:How secret can it be if you know about it. Most know exactly what the Fed Reserve is, but glad your up to speed. As far as Ron Paul, better check how he thinks he can accomplish some of these things. He backs a plan called the Fair Tax, and it is anything but fair. It is a flat tax and puts an even bigger burden on the middle class of this country. And that is just the tip of the ice berg. So be wary.

[flappyfolley]

'' .. a big man said he''d feed the world for her for but quality small time business plans, and the little girl scoffed at caring and swore by daring and so taxed the world what would have been fed for her .. and when she reached into grass and dirt and pulled out bottled eternity, she scoffed at the man and caring and swore by little girl daring and pledged to tax all forever .. the big man laughed: silly, which came first?: eternity or earth? feed eternity and yours is fed; but, tax it, then it''s taxed .. still it only feeds you forever .. ''

'' .. i ran wild cramming trillions dollars pills down throats, waving trillions dollars guns in faces, preaching: be good or else .. ''

'' .. moses went to pharoah to say: you preached feed the world and don''t kill, yet taxed the world and starved, raped, tortured, and slayed trillions dollars of babies, the rest know not what they do, but you, for fear of moses unseen, who screams at your face day after day: you''re doing it wrong, you taxed the world and starved, raped, tortured, and slayed trillions dollars of babies; yet, you preached feed the world and don''t kill .. ''

'' .. as long as the home of the richest cannot be bought by poorest neighbor, economy is crashed and half world goes without toilets, lightbulbs, lunches; and, as long as home of richest cannot be bought by richest neighbor, economy is crashed and half world goes without toilets, lightbulbs, lunches .. ''

[flappyfolley]

'' ... eternity consists of infinitely recurring events, each of which is forever infinitely distant in the future ... ''

[phil-in-fin]

To thefarrier,

Trust me ... no one is taking you seriously ... take your agenda and shove it up your a**

[fibonacci_]

This would be a good place to put up a few more posts of your Ron Paul stuff, thefarrier.

[watcher269-2009]

What about this quote from Biden - just goes to show how right leaning CBS news is for not reporting this!!!

Biden: %u201C%u2026And the irony is, Rudy Giuliani, probably the most under qualified person since George Bush to seek the presidency, is here - talking about any of the people here. Rudy Giuliani. I mean think about it, Rudy Giuliani, there%u2019s only three things he mentions in a sentence %u2014 a noun and a verb and 9/11 and I mean, there%u2019s nothing else. There%u2019s nothing else.%u201D