UNION VALE, N.Y. , Oct. 30, 2007

Cheney In Confederate Flag Flap

V.P. Hunts Birds At N.Y. Private Club Where Flag Is Hung; Says He Never Saw It

  •  (CBS/AP)

(CBS/AP)  Dick Cheney's latest hunting expedition has produced controversy of a different sort for the vice president.

Cheney became the butt of jokes for shooting a companion during a Texas hunting trip in 2006. This time, two New York newspapers, the Post and the Daily News, reported that a Confederate flag was hung from a garage at the Clove Valley Rod and Gun Club, where the vice president went bird hunting on Monday.

The photo was shown to New York City civil rights activist, the Rev. Al Sharpton, who issued a statement demanding that the vice president "leave immediately, denounce the club, and apologize for going to a club that represents lynching, hate and murder to black people."

The Post reported that the flag was clearly visible, but Cheney spokeswoman Megan Mitchell said neither Cheney nor anyone on his staff saw such a flag at the hunt club.

It was Cheney's second visit to the Dutchess County club, about 70 miles north of New York City. The previous trip was in the fall of 2001.

In 2006, Cheney peppered attorney Harry Whittington with birdshot while quail hunting in Texas. The vice president came under fire for not going public with the incident for four days.

The vice president later called it "one of the worst days of my life" and said, "The image of him falling is something I'll never ever be able to get out of my mind."

The shooting was ruled an accident. Whittington was hospitalized for six days.

Cheney has gone hunting at least a couple of times since the accident.


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by gunnerv1 October 31, 2007 3:26 PM EDT
MCVet- You need to take a few History lessons. Slavery would not have existed if the North would have let the South Industrialize but the North wanted to keep the South an Agrarian Society to fuel the Industrialize North. If you want to blame slavery on someone, put it on the British and the Portuguese. It all started from Sugar Cane and Rum. PS, Use your VA Benefits, go back to school.
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by sgtrds October 31, 2007 2:14 PM EDT
Good thing today''''s liberals weren''''t around in World WarII,
or else we''''d be speaking German by now.
Afterall, Germany had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor.

Posted by mocalleo at 09:33 AM : Oct 31, 2007

Hey dumbas*s, FDR was the most liberal president in American history, before WWII or since. Seems we did just fine with a liberal running the country.
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by candide777 October 31, 2007 1:48 PM EDT
Good thing today''''s liberals weren''''t around in World WarII,
or else we''''d be speaking German by now.
Afterall, Germany had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor.
Posted by mocalleo at 09:33 AM : Oct 31, 2007

Actually, a dimwit like you wouldn''t be around at all. You wouldn''t have made the cut. Far from the Ubermensch, you''re simply an ape. But don''t worry, you''re in good company. GWB wouldn''t have made the cut either.
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by mocalleo October 31, 2007 12:33 PM EDT
A Confederate flag in New York ?????

Sounds like a liberal goose-stepping nazi set-up to me.

ROTFLMAO, Seig Heil, Hillary

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Good thing today''s liberals weren''t around in World WarII,
or else we''d be speaking German by now.
Afterall, Germany had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor.

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by glaswolf October 31, 2007 12:25 PM EDT
There are probably a billion lives wallowing in some form of tragedy, too many to be concerned with. Those who make other peoples misery a business profiteer on their pathos. What exactly is their reason for being in the US, like how are they being political refugees if they never have any significant culture development of their own. The feed off the dead and dying like ghouls, using misery to vault themselves into selfproclaimed moral authority. If misery is so important to you, why don''t you move to Africa where you can work with the people directly, 24/7 until you die of their disease, their hunger, or their war. Take your false gods with you, America needs peace ... a break from this misery infested pathos impregnated distorted view of reality and the twisting of normal purposes of life. It''s Halloween, enjoy our Americanism for a change, or leave.
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by glaswolf October 31, 2007 12:08 PM EDT
The Confederate Flag is a battle flag, and those who condemn it are guilty of genocide in my book, I don''t care what color you are ... denying soldiers their battle flags is wrong. Personally, I don''t trust southerners who are afraid to fly their battle flags ... if their own history cannot trust them, neither can we. Germans who turn on the swaztika disgust me, too ... afterall, why would people turn on an indian symbol of 4 directions, and the basket weave ... unless they hate indians? By the way, Mexicans speak espanol, it is a hybrid trade language built from Nauatl and Castillian Latin ... we''re not black spaniards like cubans and puerto ricans, we''re indian stock. We don''t assimilate, black spaniards are assimilationists ... we are opposites, not allies. Non indians should get an education which is not politically correct. Politically correct people are as low on my measures as judeo christian rightists who feed off the holocaust death while neglecting the wisdom of the Torah. If Cheney has a problem, it is denying the past, as opposed to protecting the future. In war, all marshal peoples have rights to their battle flags, those contesting should be deported beyond the great ponds.
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by brianbwb-2009 October 31, 2007 9:34 AM EDT
"...And now revisionists are seeking to turn a flag of defiance into a flag of slavery and oppression...."
Posted by Sevenveils

It might very well have been a rallying point for rebellion, but, if you were one of those feeling the sting of the whip, or had your children sold right after nursing was over, or watched your loved ones burning on a tree, your self and your loved ones raped, or otherwise a victim of people carrying this flag, would it then mean the same thing to you as it does for them?

Your post, like many others here, shows absolutely no regard for the victims of inhumanity, no acknowledgment of their existance as human, only the point of view that these people thought their commission of inhumanity was a "right", to be defended.

Although the freedom granted was done for political motives rather than humanistic ones, one often doesn''t care where relief comes from, as long as it comes.
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by smirk5 October 31, 2007 9:08 AM EDT
Just like the Mexican flag that Hispanics proudly wave in the southwestern U.S., the Confederate flag is part of the southern redneck''s heritage.

Heritage, not hate.
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by watcher269-2009 October 31, 2007 7:54 AM EDT
Rumor has it that Cheney wears Confederate flag boxers too!
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by keithle1 October 31, 2007 7:24 AM EDT
If there is ANYTHING going on in the state of New York, the POST & DAILY NEWS will find out about it.

I know I''m not supposed to bring up Sharpton''s name because he is such a revered civil rights figure but he really is ridiculous. Such a grandstanding opportunistic attention w h o r e.

"The photo was shown to New York City civil rights activist, the Rev. Al Sharpton, who issued a statement demanding that the vice president "leave immediately, denounce the club, and apologize for going to a club that represents lynching, hate and murder to black people."

I bow to no one in my dislike of Cheney but this is too much.

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by sevenveils October 31, 2007 5:14 AM EDT
MyIDonCBS - Speaking of something not proud of: Prior to the Civil War, the Union occupied Southern territory. This occupation provoked a war that was not about slavery, but about independence from tyranny of the early Republican party. The North arrested congressmen of Maryland and other states to prevent them from succeeding from the Union as well. A clear violation of state sovereignty and the work of neocons at their best. This, in itself, is a prime example of why the 2nd amendment is so important in the US Constitution, and why the federal government should not control the deployment of the states National Guard.

Regardless of who fired the first shot, the North slashed and burned the South to ashes leaving hundreds of thousands of Southerners to starve and die in ruin.
All with no remorse. Does this sound familiar today?

Northern and Western States are still the least tolerant of Blacks and other minorities. This fact is well documented. Ask a Mormon in Utah if you have a chance.

And now revisionists are seeking to turn a flag of defiance into a flag of slavery and oppression. Yet it is Old Glory that really waves oppression and has substituted slavery with something worse. The slaves of the US today; the illegal aliens, and even those with a green card waving precariously over their heads, have few or no rights but unlike a true slave, must pay for everything they need to survive.
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by usaprophet October 31, 2007 5:13 AM EDT
I don''t know about you, but I''m sick of no-win pseudo-wars, like The War on Drugs and The War on Terrorism. I''m sick of undeclared wars like The War in Iraq and unnecessary and protracted police actions like the one in Korea. I''m sick of income taxes, which are unconstitutional because they are are a direct tax and are not equally apportioned as the Constitution requires. I''m sick of back door national ID cards like The Real ID Act. I''m sick of warrantless domestic spying by the Department of Homeland Insecurity and the loss of my civil liberties as a result of Draconian, fear-based Laws with oxymoronic names like The Patrot Act. I''m sick of secret offshore prisons like the one in Guantanamo, where our government tortures prisoners, who have no right to redress of grievance, or to writ of habeus corpus. I''m also sick of the Federal Reserve (a secret group of private banks) manipulation of our worthless, fiat currency. Do yourself a favor. Support the 2008 candidacy of Dr. Ron Paul for President of The United States. I believe he''s our only hope to restore peace, prosperity and freedom in this country. Presidential candidates with the personal integrity and the consistent track record of adherance to our Constitution that Ron Paul has demonstrated only come around once in a lifetime, if we''re lucky. The stakes are too high, and the cause of freedom is too important to let anything stand in the way of our participation in this 21st Century political revolution. Go Ron Paul!
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by freident October 31, 2007 5:03 AM EDT
then if you that scared of guns , i hope you don''t own one.....but when the *** hits the fan....i hope someone else will have a gun to help protect your butt. cause they will take ours but the lawless will have them....
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by taylpatr October 31, 2007 4:48 AM EDT
Cheney hid his shooting "accident" from the public for four days because he had been drinking before he shot him. After all, cover-ups and spin are the focal points of this regime. Remember 1984:"He who controls the past controls the present." As for the shooting itself, I have nominated Mr. Cheney for the Mother Jones marksman of the year. After all, he got a republican and a lawyer with one shot. It''s just too bad that they wern''t hunting with rifles or bigger shotguns. As for hunting, I''m a hunter, and shooting little birds released from cages is not hunting. It''s thrill killing, just like serial killers enjoy. Anyone else getting this?
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by poopusbuttus October 31, 2007 4:42 AM EDT
DARKMEAT: Now, that''s a funny A$$ post :)
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by lastdance4 October 31, 2007 4:26 AM EDT
Off Topic :
Think Foley and Craig were the end of the
Republican (Nazi) Party - Hypocrisy

Up Pops another one - The Never-ending - Continuing story of
The Republican (Nazi) Party - Hypocrites

Tuesday, October 30, 2007

Republican Representative Richard Curtis : Police reports and court records
indicate he dressed up in women''s lingerie and met a man in a local erotic
video store which led to consensual *** at a downtown hotel and a threat to
expose Curtis'' activities publicly.

A search warrant unsealed Tuesday morning disclosed that Richard Curtis (R)
Washington had *** in his room at a Hotel with a man identified as
Cody Castagna, 26, who he met at the Hollywood Erotic Boutique on October 26th.

Curtis, according to a search warrant unsealed Tuesday, went to the Hollywood
Erotic Boutique on October 26th at approximately 12:45 a.m. The store clerk, who
had talked with Curtis, referred to him as "The Cross-Dresser" and said that during
their conversations he confirmed he was gay and was married with children at home.

During his visit to the video store Curtis was observed wearing women''s lingerie while
receiving oral *** from an unidentified man in one of the movie viewing booths inside the store.

More examples of that ...Old-fashioned - Family Morals and Family Values
Demonstrated by : The Republican (Nazi) Party

Lastdance
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by usayesterday October 31, 2007 3:06 AM EDT
I''''m not taking sides in the little private disagreement about WW2 history, but BenderBG claimed, "I am an historian" and yet, he apparently does not even know the difference between "won" and "one": "the way we *almost* one in Vietnam?"

This makes me wonder what kind of "historian" he truly is.

Posted by MyIDonCBS at 11:47 PM : Oct 30, 2007
................

Obviously not a historian in linguistics!

:-)
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by usaprophet October 31, 2007 2:58 AM EDT
Most Americans just don''t seem to care that our nation, along with the Constitution upon which it was founded, is being flushed-down the NWO toilet by our nations ruling elite. While Congress and the President warn and insite fear in the sheeple about the prospect of terrorism, they at the same time leave our border wide open, and fund and conduct illegal wars overseas that do nothing but encite the terrorism which their Draconian Laws like the Patriot Act and The Real ID Act pretend to protect us from. Think about it. What would you do, if someone invaded the U.S. for no reason, and took over. You''d be mad as hell, and you''d be making trips to their country in order to give a little payback. Wake up America! It''s not about protecting you from terrorism, or saving our planet from Global Warming, or any of that fear-mongering garbage the tube feeds you 24/7. It''s about feeding the military industrial complex and facilitating the ruling elite''s ability to ratchet-down control over the American people, placing us into a total control grid where they can surveille, track and control everywhere we go and everything we do. It''s the groundwork for totalitarianism. I weep for my country, and for those of you who are so distracted, dumbed-down, or outright brainwashed by mainstream media, which endlessly regurgitates scientifically-crafted streams of information aimed at keeping your eyes closed to the realities of the world around you, that you fail to recognize this. Go Ron Paul!.
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by myidoncbs October 31, 2007 2:47 AM EDT
I''m not taking sides in the little private disagreement about WW2 history, but BenderBG claimed, "I am an historian" and yet, he apparently does not even know the difference between "won" and "one": "the way we *almost* one in Vietnam?"

This makes me wonder what kind of "historian" he truly is.
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by myidoncbs October 31, 2007 2:38 AM EDT
The following sentence is an oxy/mo/ron by a mo/ron:

"The confederate states seceded from the union but they were and still are part of America."

When they seceded from the union, they ceased to be a part of the USA. In fact, they became the ENEMY of the USA. Not exactly something to be PROUD of, now is it?
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