July 16, 2009 10:50 AM

Iraq's Gunmen Morphing Into Men In Suits

By
Allen Pizzey
(CBS)  From CBS News correspondent Allen Pizzey in Baghdad.

Iraq is a place that often defines "self-fulfilling prophecy," especially the one that begins "Be careful what you wish for..."

For several years a fervent wish of the U.S. military and diplomatic efforts here has been to blunt if not negate the military strength of the Mahdi Army, which is nominally under the control of the radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.

But just at the point where that wish is about to come true, those in the movement have shifted from gunmen to Iraq's equivalent of men in suits.

U.S. ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker warned a few days ago that elements of the Mahdi Army have forsaken military activities in favor of financial enterprises such as control of gas stations and basic services in Shiite neighborhoods.

The move suggests what Crocker called a "Hezbollahzation" of parts of Iraq, a reference to an emphasis on social networks as a base of strength that has been the hallmark of Hezbollah in Lebanon.

The predicament for the Americans is that any effort to curtail that process can cost them support in the street. In many Shiite areas people both welcome and rely on the social work of the Mahdi Army for services and help the government does not provide.

"If they arrest people who are Mahdi Army but who are not doing military things, people will not like them for it," said one resident of a neighborhood where the Americans are trying to crack down. The sweeps also tend to collect suspects regardless of age.

"When they arrest a 16-year-old person for example," the resident said, "It angers many people, because we all have sons or brothers or cousins who are that age, and we know they could be arrested too, even if they have nothing to do with the Mahdi Army."

The military disputes that it detains anyone without good reason, and maintains that when mistakes are made they are quickly rectified. The problem is that committing errors is much easier that rectifying them.

Indeed, Sheik Assad al-Nasseri, a representative of Muqtada al-Sadr, warned during his during Friday sermon in the holy city of Kufa that a moratorium on Shiite militia activities could end if U.S. and Iraqi forces continue with detention campaigns against the movement.

(Spencer Platt/Getty)
But the operations seem to be continuing unabated. During a pre-dawn raid in a Shiite area this week an American officer who encountered an English-speaking resident (who for obvious reasons asked not to be identified) told Iraqi troops to wait outside, and then told the resident that the U.S. military was setting up "an intelligence network" that did not include the Iraqi army. Agents would report directly to and be paid by U.S. forces.

If true, it is an arrangement fraught with danger. As has been amply demonstrated over and over again, the U.S. military lacks the language skills and cultural understanding to deal with the complexities Iraq's social order. This population is steeped in the ways and atmosphere of secrecy, informants and double-dealing.

"If you put an Iraqi in a corner," an interpreter working for a Western company said, "he will find a way to talk his way out. Any Iraqi can do it."

"It's not lying," the interpreter added, "it's something we learned from the time we were born, because that is how you had to live to under Saddam's rule."

What Iraqis do not know how to work is the system of restitution for damages, which means goodwill can be as hard to buy as it is to win. A case in point is the condolence payments being offered by the U.S. Embassy for victims of the shooting involving Blackwater security on September 16.

The embassy began offering payments on October 24. The embassy insists that acceptance of the payments does not mean claimants are waiving their rights to future compensation. In an e-mail response to questions by CBS News, the embassy described the money on offer this way:

"Condolence payments are not an admission of culpability. Condolence payments are simply intended to aid and support affected families on a speedy, short-term basis. The payments should not be construed as a statement about the value of human life."

But in Iraqi society payment is often seen in terms of what is called "fasil al-ashair" which translates roughly as "separation of the tribes." If a member of one tribe commits an offence against a member of another tribe, payment made in compensation is seen as final restitution, and the matter is closed.

Urbanized Iraqis, like the people killed and injured by Blackwater, may not adhere to "fasil al-ashair" as a matter of normal recourse, but neither will they dismiss it as irrelevant no matter what assurances they are given, especially by an occupier few if any trust, acting on behalf of contractors who have been placed above the law, and are hated for it.

To believe otherwise is to indulge in wishful thinking.

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by speakinup October 30, 2007 9:00 PM EDT
Nancy_Naive - how often did the indian nations retreat ?
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by rowdytexan2 October 30, 2007 2:15 AM EDT
Sorry, Bluesx...

There are many, many young soldiers also coming home and joining the war protest. Apparently they have not visted your retail store.

Lots of these young men who''ve fought over there have become attached to the iraqi people, and want good things for them, as we all do. Their compassion and goodheartedness is very honorable. And their bravery is is uncomparable. And it is our honor to have the safe back at home.

Soldiers as has already been said, are taught to follow orders and not question. It is necessary for their safety, and it is also necessary for them to justify what they have to do in their own mind.

Their mission is an honorable one. But they are having to fight in a corrupt war, and that''s sad for all of us.

If we fight for many years to come in Iraq, the people will still not be free. It is simply a war that cannot be won, due to the corruptness on both sides, and differences among it''s own tribes. This has been going on for thousands of years.

This war was never about freeing the Iraq''s. It wasn''t even about suppressing a dictator possessing WMD''s...because they knew he didn''t have any.

All we can do right now is get them home and safe, and allow the Iraq''s to decide how they want to live.
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by ziparmux October 29, 2007 4:46 PM EDT
dear friends-I am a clerk at a major retail store. I wait on A LOT of soldiers(most having been in Iraq). My main question to them is "do you feel it''''s working over there and is it worth it all?" Their 100% response is "YES!!!" I say to all the American naysayers-we''''re winning!! Iraq will be judged in the future as a shining example of peace loving,American supporting society. We need to honor those who have fallen(American and others) by continuing on with their(and our) resolve !!! God bless the USA. Winners never quit,quitters never win!!

Posted by bluezx at 01:32 AM : Oct 29, 2007

For sll the fallen in all wars, my heart goes out to them and all their families, but you surely cannot believe that you can win the war in Iraq. It will take the involvment of the whole of the world to sort out this most terrible mess. Soliders do not fight for causes, their job is to obey orders from above, not to question them. That is the way of a soldiers life and being.
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by bluezx-2009 October 29, 2007 4:32 AM EDT
dear friends-I am a clerk at a major retail store. I wait on A LOT of soldiers(most having been in Iraq). My main question to them is "do you feel it''s working over there and is it worth it all?" Their 100% response is "YES!!!" I say to all the American naysayers-we''re winning!! Iraq will be judged in the future as a shining example of peace loving,American supporting society. We need to honor those who have fallen(American and others) by continuing on with their(and our) resolve !!! God bless the USA. Winners never quit,quitters never win!!
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by usaprophet October 28, 2007 9:48 PM EDT
I want to report a major fire, friends. CBS isn''t reporting it. Our Constitution is on fire. And it''s currently being burned in Congress. See H.R. 1955, a.k.a., Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007. I couldn''t believe it. Apparently, activists with Web sites are really begining to anger the elite insofar as they are publically holding officials accountable for their evil. The bill passed the house on Oct 23, in spite of Congressman, Ron Paul''s opposition. The right to free speech on the Internet is gone, my friends. Look it up for yourself, and weep for your country as I have that our rights have eroded this far. Here''s a short excerpt from the bill''s DEFINITIONS statement: "The development and implementation of methods and processes that can be utilized to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States is critical to combating domestic terrorism." Here''s another excerpt from the bill''s FINDINGS statement: "The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens." And guess who get''s to decide what is "terrorist-related propaganda?" You got it! The Department of Homeland Insecurity, an agency that''s answerable ONLY to The President. If Ron Paul isn''t elected, our country is doomed!
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by jonstorm-2009 October 28, 2007 2:22 AM EDT
U sir''s are idiot''s. Please tell us what southern rural county u rape young children in so we can deflect the enemies bomb''''s towards you. Us in the big cities the true targets of our enemies desire a different approach. One that does not obliterate us who actually posess social skillsa and the ability to change the course of history with our brains instead of our bombs.. Please do tell where you reside in this very large open country... Love to all American''''s especially those who put their lives on the line every day preferring not to cowar in the shadows but instead step on to our subways and buses exposing ourselves to the true dangers that are present.
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by alphaa10-2009 October 28, 2007 1:40 AM EDT
speakinup said, "I see one descrete question, followed by a question mark. The other sentences don''''t have question marks. They are called retorical questions..."
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Here is your chance to learn what a "retorical" question represents, then to understand even these commonly use question marks. The rhetorical question is used to showcase an important point, but it is expressed as a question.

If you believe you have a question to ask, ask it as a single, clearly expressed question. Not a meandering series of disjointed editorial statements intended as "retorical" devices. Clearly, your devices blew up on you.

If you believe your several "retorical" questions need answers, try asking separate, clearly expressed questions. And then, you can get an answer to each question, in turn.

In answer to your single statement which you have said is a "question"-- you apparently believe a drop in US Iraq dead represents a turning of the tide for the Iraqi government and the Bush fiasco in Iraq. On what basis? There are many reasons not to interpret a slice of data as a turning of the tide.
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by j-whitman October 28, 2007 1:24 AM EDT
downtowner97,,, It would seem the war is morphing, Bush should have listented better... Now it''s Be Carefull What You Wish For in his face -- Gunmen are wearing suits according to the article..

U.S. ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker warned a few days ago that elements of the Mahdi Army have forsaken military activities in favor of financial enterprises such as control of gas stations and basic services in Shiite neighborhoods.

The move suggests what Crocker called a "Hezbollahzation" of parts of Iraq, a reference to an emphasis on social networks as a base of strength that has been the hallmark of Hezbollah in Lebanon.

The predicament for the Americans is that any effort to curtail that process can cost them support in the street. In many Shiite areas people both welcome and rely on the social work of the Mahdi Army for services and help the government does not provid
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by alphaa10-2009 October 28, 2007 1:06 AM EDT
Bush 101 -2
While any reduction of casualties is good, you should realize by now the insurgency and al Qaeda pick their battles. During the so-called surge, for example, insurgents simply melted away from the neighborhoods, only to return when troops left. Predictably, both insurgent and US casualties dropped during the period.

But US commenders expected as much, and some expect only permanently positioned troops will be required. It so happens Bush and Rumsfeld ignored Gen. Shinseki, who predicted the US would need several hundred thousand occupation troops. Now, the American public understands Petraeus and his public relations exercise of a troop surge is largely meaningless.

for what purpose are ANY casualties sustained by this country? One casualty is too many for a criminal fraud and a national disaster.

Your argument is to insist that fewer dead means a corner has been turned in Iraq. Those with more experience say, only a propagandist and shill would jump for that.

And you missed the entire point of the original post on partitioning to which you replied-- which is, Iraq''s future probably willl not be as Iraq.
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by actornaught October 28, 2007 12:10 AM EDT
why is the US death rate the lowest it has bee in 3 and a half years ?
Posted by speakinup at 06:06 PM : Oct 27, 2007

http://www.icasualties.org/oif/US_chart.aspx
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No, the current death rate is just getting back to pre-surge "normal".

Where do you get 3 1/2 years???

Posted by actornaught at 07:05 PM : Oct 27, 2007

speakinup, are you having trouble following your own thread?

YES, i deny there''s a drastic decline, see above partial repost, including your own unsupportable claims. So your repeated question isn''t even valid.
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