Uproar Over Obama's Gospel Tour Continues

Gay Rights Groups Continue Campaign Against Donnie McClurkin's Scheduled Appearance In S.C.

(AP)  Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama's campaign held a hurriedly put together conference call Thursday night with gay and lesbian leaders in South Carolina to discuss the candidate's gospel tour, which includes a singer who says homosexuality is a choice.

Obama campaign spokesman Kevin Griffis refused to talk about what was discussed on the call with Steve Hildebrand, Obama's early voting state strategist, and Joshua DuBois, who runs faith programs for the campaign.

Afterward, the South Carolina Gay and Lesbian Pride Movement decided to hold a vigil outside the Sunday concert in Columbia to protest gospel singer Donnie McClurkin, said Tony Snell, the group's past president.

Snell listened to the call and said ll he heard was talking points and the campaign wasn't budging on McClurkin.

"This guy has a reputation. He has a past. It's well known," Snell said. "You guys should have researched this out," Snell said of the Obama campaign.

Snell said the call ended with the 15 gay and lesbian leaders making a final appeal to Hildebrand and DuBois to talk to Obama. "Please ask him one more time to stop Donnie McClurkin's appearance at Sunday's event," Snell said.

Griffis said McClurkin won't be booted from the program.

"The Obama campaign is trying to bridge real divides and bring people together. Two things are certain: We will never be able to bridge those divides if we are unwilling to listen to voices we don't agree with, and we will never change anyone's mind if we refuse to talk to him," Griffs said in a statement.

Obama's campaign invited the Rev. Andy Sidden, a South Carolina pastor who is openly gay, to appear at the same concert. But Snell said that doesn't right the program.

McClurkin is a Grammy Award winner who performed at the Republican National Convention in 2004. He told AP Radio in an interview that September that he was "once involved with those desires and those thoughts," but God turned him away from them.

Obama has spoken out against homophobia, including in the black community. He supports civil unions for same-sex couples but not the right for gay marriage.

[hippychicky-2009]

16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness
God Bless you!
Posted by singinrick

Tell me is that what jesus did to the harlet at the well...did he teach, rebuke, correct...nope he showed her love and understanding...he accepted her as she was..
You keep on in your piety...its a sin...

There is no comparision to me and the harlet at the well the point is that you are the first to condemn those that don''t agree with your brand of christianity...

[hippychicky-2009]

-If you think Hitler was doing the "Lord''''s work" hippychicky, you are more blind than I thought. Hitler was evil, and he killed millions of God''''s chosen people, the Jews
Posted by singinrick

I didn''t say Hitler was doing God''s work..I said you reminded me of him. Thinking your taking up the cause for christianity, trying to "heal" us all from our wicked ways...trying to make the word safe from our homosexuality..
Your one step away from branding us with your pink triangles, and putting us into consentration camps...because God told you too...

This cause (the cause for equality, and tolerance) is near and dear to me because I am a lesbian....
but why is it such a pressing cause for you??
Was it singinrick or flamingrick, me thinks the lady doth protest to much........and thats not an insult just open that closet door and step out be true to yourself..

[hippychicky-2009]

Does anyone ever wonder why homosexuals are always in uproar against Bible believing Christians?
Posted by singinrick

I know..but I hate to be sterotypical and lump you all together..
It because the majority (you being a prime example) want to tell us how sinful we are, how wrong our love is..your the first to stand in line and judge..without cause..
Your the first to stand in our way of equal rights, and the freedoms that you enjoy..why is that Rick?

Keep talking and judging in the name of God, you remind me of someone else...

"I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord''s work." Hitler

[simonsez40]

Church must be out......

Unfortunately I don''t want to spend my time arguing a mute point - today is family day and I''d much rather spend my time with my children and wife over sitting at a computer....

[sftodd]

Rick, how is it loving to compare me to a mass murderer simply because I am gay? Do you have a legitimate answer for your hateful tactic, or are you going to apologize for comparing me to a mass murderer based on my sexual orientation?

[sftodd]

We have just as much of a right (us Bible believing Christians) to speak out against the lifestyle as you do promoting it.
Deal with it.
Posted by singinrick at 07:27 PM : Oct 28, 2007

Show me one place in my posts where I have said that you should not be permitted to spew your hatred toward gay people? You can''t. But I will refrain from calling you a liar. I fully support your legal right to spew your hateful message out loud and often. I just think it''s morally wrong for you to do so, and I am worried that Jesus will not look kindly on you for it, Rick. His message was to "love one another." You are so filled with and consumed by hatred of gay people that you can''t get to the real message of Christ, which was to "love one another." Rick, you must first learn to love and accept yourself before you will be able to love your gay and lesbian brothers and sisters. I pray you will work on loving and accepting yourself as you are.

[simonsez40]

Twist and turn your bible to teach and preach hate - what only 40 years ago religion used their interpretations of the scriptures to discriminate against African Americans......

The bible isn''t a tool for intolerane - it''s a tool to show mankind to love one and accept one another. You have much to learn...and I challenge you to reseach beyond what you hear and read from the King James.

[simonsez40]

No your lack of research and understanding of the original Hebrew and Greek texts is lacking....janebenz

You follow the word of the Protestants of the 20th century.....where only YOUR INTERPRETATION is valid.....how comical - thousands of years of the bible being handed down....and only you have the right interpretations and ideas on how to be saved by Christ?

No doubt you make judgements on other''s souls as well.....just like singinrick you have ALL the answers based on your viewpoints of scriptures. No doubt we could read the same scripture and see two different lessons....how pompous and pious of the modern day ''religious riot'' to force their ideology and absolutism on those that disagree....

Comical..

[jankebenz]

There is absolutely no condemnation of homosexuality in the Hebrew Old Testament.

10. There is absolutely no condemnation of homosexuality in the Greek New Testament

Posted by simonsez40 at 06:15 PM : Oct 28, 2007


Your blatant lack of biblical knowledge is highly evident in your posts, evidence contrary to your ridicules assertions have been clearly manifested for thousands of years . your spouting and spewing is just self serving to justify your own agenda

[simonsez40]

The King James version was also a translation from Hebrew and Greek text - King James had text removed that didn''t support submission to the kind etc.

This is well documented fact - I''m have no doubts the scholars were the best - but the point is if King James included his bias in scripture - what other biases were TRANSLATED within the scriptures?

Many of the original text meanings from the Greek and Hebrew transmissions were altered depending on the political stance of the translators........

So you have PROOF King James, John Wycliffe, an Oxford professor who provided the first hand-written English language Bible manuscripts in the 1380''s AD, Thomas Linacre or John Colet (this list is various prior to King James translation) upheld the EXACT meanings, verbiage and translations as the original authors?

Most likely not...

[usaprophet]

I want to report a major fire, friends. CBS isn''t reporting it. Our Constitution is on fire. And it''s currently being burned in Congress. See H.R. 1955, a.k.a., Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007. I couldn''t believe it. Apparently, activists with Web sites are really begining to anger the elite insofar as they are publically holding officials accountable for their evil. The bill passed the house on Oct 23, in spite of Congressman, Ron Paul''s opposition. The right to free speech on the Internet is gone, my friends. Look it up for yourself, and weep for your country as I have that our rights have eroded this far. Here''s a short excerpt from the bill''s DEFINITIONS statement: "The development and implementation of methods and processes that can be utilized to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States is critical to combating domestic terrorism." Here''s another excerpt from the bill''s FINDINGS statement: "The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens." And guess who get''s to decide what is "terrorist-related propaganda?" You got it! The Department of Homeland Insecurity, an agency that''s answerable ONLY to The President. If Ron Paul isn''t elected, our country is doomed!

[jankebenz]

The King James Bible translators were a collection of some of the world''s best scholars. They approached this translation with the mindset that they were translating the very word of God, not just some book. The King James Bible has been called "the monument of English prose" as well as "the only great work of art ever created by a committee".

[simonsez40]

You might ask yourself whether your own homosexual tendencies are anything you can control. For, on the topic of homosexuality, "[t]he LADY doth protest too much, methinks."


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Posted by sftodd

WELL SAID SFTODD - those that shout the loudest......

[simonsez40]

7. King James, who ordered the English translation of the Bible which bears his name, was a homosexual, a fact of which the translators were well aware. This fact displeased them, but since he was the king, they could not express their displeasure openly. Although on the surface, they were careful to be certain that their translation flattered and pleased the king, they also used it to attack him in a way he could not fight.

8. There is absolutely no condemnation of homosexuality in the Hebrew Old Testament.

10. There is absolutely no condemnation of homosexuality in the Greek New Testament.

11. All English translations (one of the earliest being 1611 AD, more than 200 years after the social tide turned against homosexuals, and more than 100 years after the church stopped performing most homosexual weddings) have been deliberately mistranslated to make it appear that God condemned homosexuality.

12. The Hebrew and Greek scriptures never connected Soddom and Gomorrah with homosexuality. The idea that those cities were destroyed for homosexuality is a man-made notion and is unsupported by scriptures.

13. The Greek New Testament, while not condemning homosexuality, does forbid people to attempt to alter their sexual orientation.

14. Both the Greek and Roman Empires considered exclusive heterosexuality and exclusive homosexuality to be abnormal. They believed that all people should be bisexual.

[simonsez40]

Other interesting research you might find enlightening...

1. The Hebrew Old Testament clearly indicates that King David had a sexual relationship with Jonathan, the son of King Saul.

2. The Hebrew Old Testament clearly documents a sexual relationship between the prophet Daniel and a man named Ashpenaz, and indicates that God put Daniel into that relationship.

3. Much to the embarrassment of the Vatican, the Catholic theologian Boswell has uncovered proof that, up until the fourteenth century, the church was routinely performing wedding ceremonies for same-*** couples.

4. The social tides in Europe began to turn against homosexuality around the thirteenth century. Up until that time, there was no organized opposition to homosexuality, either from society or from the church.

5. The religious tide did not turn against homosexuals until after the social tides. The change in society''s attitude toward homosexuals was the only reason the church stopped marrying them and began to persecute them.

6. Boswell found that same-*** marriage continued in certain parts of eastern Europe until the nineteenth century, and that in a few villages, they still continue.

[simonsez40]

Jakenbenz.....oh really well history seems to disagree with you....much of history has been covered over but documents and prose remain to say King James loved both sexes and his court was well aware of his preferences....

At the age of thirteen James fell madly in love with his cousin Esmi Stuart whom he made Duke of Lennox. James deferred to Esmi to the consternation of his ministers. In 1582 James was kidnapped and forced to issue a proclamation against his lover and send him back to France.

Despite his homosexual activities James later fell in love with and married Anne of Denmark with whom he had seven children.

In 1573 Francis Bacon and his elder brother Anthony (1558-1601), who was also gay, entered Trinity College, Cambridge. They then went to Gray''s Inn, London, in 1576. In 1582 Francis was called to the bar and began a very successful law practice. He became a Member of Parliament in 1584, and he was appointed Queen Elizabeth I''s Counsellor in 1591. James I (1566-1625) acceded to the thrown in 1603 and in the same year Francis Bacon was knighted. He became Solicitor General in 1607, Attorney General in 1613, and Lord High Chancellor in 1618. He was conferred the title of Baron Verulam in 1618, and of Viscount St. Albans in 1621.

Bacon''s personal friendship with King James I may have been a factor in his swift rise to power. James''s homosexual loves are well-established, and he was known as "Queen James".

[jankebenz]

King james continued King James loved his wife, Queen Anne, and wrote beautifully of her. They had nine children together. The morality of King James has come under attack from a number of groups. Among the most vociferous are sodomites and apologists who defend modern Bible versions like the NIV. He''s being falsely accused of atrocities such as homosexuality, being a closet papist (Catholic) and burning baptists! These fallacies are not going without rebuttal, however. Historians who''ve studied this great King for many years, are setting the record straight.

[jankebenz]

You can thank a homosexual (King James) for the bible you have in your hands today - do your research James had a long list of male lovers.

Posted by simonsez40 at 05:26 PM : Oct 28, 2007 you obviously have no idea what your talking about, and resort to lies and innuendos to grasp at the thin straws of your liberal logic King James loved literature and wrote extensively including the Basilicon Doron which contains instructions to his son on how to live and be a just king. King James'' advice to his son concerning chastity:
"Keep your body clean and unpolluted while you give it to your wife whom to only it belongs for how can you justly crave to be joined with a Virgin if your body be polluted? Why should the one half be clean, and other defiled? And suppose I know, fornication is thought but a veniall sin by the most part of the world, yet remember well what I said to you in my first book regarding conscience, and count every sin an breach of God''s law, not according as the vain world esteems of it, but as God judge and maker of the law accounts of the same: hear God commanding by the mouth of Paul to abstain from fornication, declaring that the fornicator shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven, and by the mouth of John reckoning out fornication among other grievous sins that declares the commiters among dogs and swine..

[sftodd]

The pro-homosexual movement can only marginalize us if we allow ourselves to be marginalized. Posted by singinrick at 09:27 AM : Oct 27, 2007

Rick, there is no "pro-homosexual movement." It''s a civil rights movement. A heterosexual female, for example, is no more capable of deciding to join the movement and to be sexually turned on by other women than you can decide to be turned on by pictures of naked furniture. The jury is no longer out on this, Rick, no one would decide to be gay just to face persecution and hatred from the likes of you. You might ask yourself whether your own homosexual tendencies are anything you can control. For, on the topic of homosexuality, "[t]he LADY doth protest too much, methinks."

[name_verify]

This is what happens when Libs try to be all things to all people.