COLUMBIA, S.C., Oct. 26, 2007

Uproar Over Obama's Gospel Tour Continues

Gay Rights Groups Continue Campaign Against Donnie McClurkin's Scheduled Appearance In S.C.

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(AP)  Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama's campaign held a hurriedly put together conference call Thursday night with gay and lesbian leaders in South Carolina to discuss the candidate's gospel tour, which includes a singer who says homosexuality is a choice.

Obama campaign spokesman Kevin Griffis refused to talk about what was discussed on the call with Steve Hildebrand, Obama's early voting state strategist, and Joshua DuBois, who runs faith programs for the campaign.

Afterward, the South Carolina Gay and Lesbian Pride Movement decided to hold a vigil outside the Sunday concert in Columbia to protest gospel singer Donnie McClurkin, said Tony Snell, the group's past president.

Snell listened to the call and said ll he heard was talking points and the campaign wasn't budging on McClurkin.

"This guy has a reputation. He has a past. It's well known," Snell said. "You guys should have researched this out," Snell said of the Obama campaign.

Snell said the call ended with the 15 gay and lesbian leaders making a final appeal to Hildebrand and DuBois to talk to Obama. "Please ask him one more time to stop Donnie McClurkin's appearance at Sunday's event," Snell said.

Griffis said McClurkin won't be booted from the program.

"The Obama campaign is trying to bridge real divides and bring people together. Two things are certain: We will never be able to bridge those divides if we are unwilling to listen to voices we don't agree with, and we will never change anyone's mind if we refuse to talk to him," Griffs said in a statement.

Obama's campaign invited the Rev. Andy Sidden, a South Carolina pastor who is openly gay, to appear at the same concert. But Snell said that doesn't right the program.

McClurkin is a Grammy Award winner who performed at the Republican National Convention in 2004. He told AP Radio in an interview that September that he was "once involved with those desires and those thoughts," but God turned him away from them.

Obama has spoken out against homophobia, including in the black community. He supports civil unions for same-sex couples but not the right for gay marriage.

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by mudrose-2009 October 26, 2007 11:23 AM PDT
Let it be a lesson to you RamaLamaObama. Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas.
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by signof4 October 26, 2007 11:46 AM PDT
''Uproar Over Obama''s Gospel Tour Continues''

Wonder what the headlines would be if a republican tried to pull a ''gospel'' tour? The ACLU would be suing him/her out of existence. What happened to separation of church and state?
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by abbe91 October 26, 2007 11:56 AM PDT
"What happened to separation of church and state?
Posted by Signof4 at 11:46 AM : Oct 26, 2007"

God knows (sorry, couldn''t help it) how much I am really in favor of strict separation of church and state.
But you have to read "state", meaning administration, public schools ...
As a candidate, Obama, like anybody, is perfectly free to express religious opinions during a campaign. We have freedom of speech, freedom of religion.
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by realpatriot1 October 26, 2007 12:26 PM PDT
mudrose,

Are you calling Ministers dogs?

signof4,

The same Minister perfromed at the republican Convention and there was no controversy. You''re imagining inequity again.
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by realpatriot1 October 26, 2007 12:35 PM PDT
While Hillary panders to AIPAC about bombing Iran Obama stands firm on not being dictated to by the political correctness police.

If this Minister were preaching hate and intolerance I would be opposed to giving him a forum for promoting that hate. He may be ignorant in his personal view(I don''t personally agree that homosexuality is a choice), bur he isn''t preaching intolerance.

Secondly, as far as I can see, he''s not being given a forum to express his views, he''s going to be singing.

Perhaps these gay and lesbian leaders are the ones who need to do more research.
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by johnnyraygun-2009 October 26, 2007 12:54 PM PDT
The media is biased in favor of Clinton. Right now Obama leads the fight against further media consolidation. Good for America, bad for positive press. Unlike Clinton, Barack Obama stands on principle. The slant will continue so long as Barack fights media consolidation and Hillary condones and is supported by it.
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by mudrose-2009 October 26, 2007 1:28 PM PDT
mudrose,

Are you calling Ministers dogs?

signof4,


Of course not. I''m calling the activists dogs?
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by mudrose-2009 October 26, 2007 1:29 PM PDT
Wonder what the headlines would be if a republican tried to pull a ''''gospel'''' tour? The ACLU would be suing him/her out of existence. What happened to separation of church and state?

Posted by Signof4

There is no separation of church and state.
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by signof4 October 26, 2007 2:02 PM PDT
There is no separation of church and state.
Posted by mudrose at 01:29 PM : Oct 26, 2007

You and I know this. But most dems and every lib in America doesn''t.
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by signof4 October 26, 2007 2:04 PM PDT
Of course not. I''''m calling the activists dogs?
Posted by mudrose at 01:28 PM : Oct 26, 2007

Some low-life is cutting and pasting my name to ''it''s'' posts. Not being done by me. There is no LOW a lib won''t sink to.
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by signof4 October 26, 2007 3:21 PM PDT
they can draw closer to their dream of a totally godless nation with no moral laws in place...every man for himself....socialism at it''''s best.
Posted by singinrick at 02:05 PM : Oct 26, 2007

Welcome to the culture war! Wonder what makes them think they can pull it off when every other country that tried it has failed? There''s a doctoral dissertation in there, somewhere.
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by simonsez40 October 26, 2007 3:25 PM PDT
singinrick - you seem to be obsessed with *** and lesbians? Why such the fascination? Until you''ve walked a mile in my shoes I don''t think you have any AUTHORITY to say what made me.......

Born this way - just like you were born hetero........
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by simonsez40 October 26, 2007 3:27 PM PDT


A study of 518 sexually-tinged mass murders in the U.S. from 1966 to 1983 determined that 350 (68%) of the victims were killed by those who practiced homosexuality and that 19 (44%) of the 43 murderers were bisexuals or homosexuals.(2)





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Posted by singinrick

Talk about CHERRY PICKING here - are you kidding me? Shall I copy and paste all the straight white males that have committed incest, serial killing and rapes? This comment board couldn''t hold them all........the same things you point out about the gay community can be pointed out about the straight community.

You hate runs deep.........you sure you don''t have anything to tell us?
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by mudrose-2009 October 26, 2007 3:32 PM PDT
Posted by Signof4

Hey thought you might get a kick out of this. Someone actually chose the moniker "notmudrose". I tell ya I had a mini-me moment with that one. Lately, however, these people are really giving me the woolies. I''m starting to develop a tick.
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by simonsez40 October 26, 2007 3:36 PM PDT
A little fact you neglect to mention in your statistics singinrick...

In the United States the majority (73%) of serial killers have been heterosexual white males in their 20s, and usually from working class or poor backgrounds.

Can we morally remove them from our society? The world would be a nicer place.....less crime, incest, pedophiles........and rape.
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by simonsez40 October 26, 2007 3:46 PM PDT


The GOP, joined by a chorus from the religious-right and the neo-conservatives who have sought to advance Mr. Bush%u2019s power have all watched admiringly as he struts across the stage of America%u2019s political theatre. Lassoing and exaggerating the importance of three issues highly susceptible to emotion baiting and a charged current of fear and irrationality, clever men have hijacked the churches into believing they have taken the moral high ground in America.[60]

The churches laud Mr. Bush as a %u201Cmoral man%u201D simply because he is against any legal union between ***, against any abortion and essentially (for all practical purposes) against stem cell research.




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by simonsez40 October 26, 2007 3:47 PM PDT
Sadly the churches and Mr. Bush have no knowledge of God. They are completely ignorant that in the Bible, the existence of ten righteous people in one of the cities would have been sufficient to spare Sodom and Gomorrah from destruction,[61] but ten righteous people are insufficient to spare the nation that refuses to defend the rights of the needy![62] And what is perhaps even more significant, God equates the lying of church leaders%u2014the false prophets of Jeremiah%u2019s day, their adultery, and their encouragement of evil doers to be no different than the sins of those living in Sodom and Gomorrah.[63] The problem with today%u2019s church leaders is that they refuse to confess their own adulterous acts while condemning the most hated and reviled members of American society%u2014like poor Matthew Shepard%u2014heaping vile abuse and death upon others so the eyes of churchgoers are always directed away from themselves, insuring that others will always be the scapegoats.

Nor do the protestant churches have any excuse; they are shepherds over flocks living in the Bible belt where the towns, counties and states have the largest number of divorces in the nation. While Jesus was silent about homosexuals, he was not silent about divorce. He called divorce a sin unless adultery was the reason for it.



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by simonsez40 October 26, 2007 3:48 PM PDT
According to columnist Andrew Sullivan, %u201Cthe states with the highest divorce rates in the U.S. are Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina and Texas,%u201D which just happen to make up so-called %u201Cred%u201D states which overwhelmingly support George W. Bush.[69] On the other hand, the states %u201Cwith the lowest divorce rates are: Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island and Vermont.%u201D Sullivan points out, %u201CEvery single one of the low divorce rate states went for Kerry. The Bible Belt divorce rate%u2026is roughly 50 percent higher than the national average.%u201D

Sullivan says, %u201CA staggering 23 percent of married born-agains have been divorced twice or more.%u201D[71] And who has the most teen births? In the state where preaching against teen *** is the strongest%u2014teen pregnancies are the highest: Sullivan says, 16.1 percent of all births are teen births in Texas, but in liberal Massachusetts, %u201Cit%u2019s 7.4 almost half.%u201D

How dare the churchgoers think of themselves as a moral army, preparing America for their rule! Yet they protect pastors accused of adultery and homosexuality, while they condemn without mercy %u201Chumanists%u201D and %u201Cliberals%u201D in America who follow the teachings of Jesus and seek to protect and provide for the poor and do justice.

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by hippychicky-2009 October 26, 2007 3:49 PM PDT
A little fact you neglect to mention in your statistics singinrick...

In the United States the majority (73%) of serial killers have been heterosexual white males in their 20s, and usually from working class or poor backgrounds.

Can we morally remove them from our society? The world would be a nicer place.....less crime, incest, pedophiles........and rape.
Posted by simonsez40

Always true to form, your nothing less than informative. Lets please do remove them from society, or at least pray hard for them. It was their choice they were born straight white males......
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by simonsez40 October 26, 2007 3:49 PM PDT
There''s a grave discrepancy between what the Bible says and what the churches are doing: the Bible makes it clear that Christians can associate with anyone who lives in this world. And what is even more significant, a Christian may not judge non-Christians! Even if Christians are the majority, they may not make laws that deny civil liberties to people because of alleged sexual sins. St. Paul makes it clear: a Christian''s area of influence in such matters is restricted to the confines of church membership where members must expel an immoral offender from their midst: slanderers, liars, deceivers, the fearful and those involved in adultery or pedophilia comes to mind. Those members may not keep their church membership (1 Corinthians 5:9-13). The churches in America, however, have it just the opposite: they point their accusatory fingers at everyone outside their churches, and they seek to deny non-members civil rights, but never even look at their own hearts and guilty souls.
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by mudrose-2009 October 26, 2007 3:51 PM PDT
The churches laud Mr. Bush as a %u201Cmoral man%u201D simply because he is against any legal union between ***, against any abortion and essentially (for all practical purposes) against stem cell research.
Posted by simonsez40

He''s not against stem cell reearch. He''s against embryonic stem cell research. If you read the Declaration of Independence that is, you will recall -- ...man is endowed by his "Creator" with certain inalienable rights - one being "life". There is nothing in the Constitution that supports same-s/ex marriage, abortion or embryonic stem cell research. The man''s following the constitution. Of course, the lefties prefer a living breathing Constitution whereby the judges, by fiat, can dictate new rights to accommodate the whims of the fringe.
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by hippychicky-2009 October 26, 2007 3:53 PM PDT
they can draw closer to their dream of a totally godless nation with no moral laws in place...every man for himself....socialism at it''''''''s best.
Posted by singinrick

I think socialism has some good key points, I would even goes as far to say that I agree with Marx on a few things.
As far as the story at hand goes, I believe he made ammends by inviting the openly gay preacher to speak, thats a huge plus...he has an open forum to teach tolerance.
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by simonsez40 October 26, 2007 3:55 PM PDT
The FRINGE are the Blood Guilty Churches that have spawned the Right Wing frenzy ruling our government.
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by mudrose-2009 October 26, 2007 3:55 PM PDT
I think socialism has some good key points, I would even goes as far to say that I agree with Marx on a few things.
As far as the story at hand goes, I believe he made ammends by inviting the openly gay preacher to speak, thats a huge plus...he has an open forum to teach tolerance.

Posted by hippychicky

How wonderful. A point - counterpoint to McClurkin. Makes everybody h-a-p-p-y!
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by signof4 October 26, 2007 3:56 PM PDT
''Barack Obama''s campaign held a hurriedly put together conference call Thursday night with gay and lesbian leaders in South Carolina''

What, all 3 of them? LOL There are NO *** in SC!!! :)
Wonder if the call cost $1.99/minute?
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by simonsez40 October 26, 2007 3:56 PM PDT
If asked, Christians would be forced to admit that lying is a moral wrong. But because of the strong biblical edicts against lying%u2014the %u201Cfaithful%u201D usually deny that George W. Bush lies, lies, and lies. So his lies have to be spelled out with accurate documentation. Here are a few with links to the documents that provide the proofs. They were compiled by The Poor Man%u2019s Blog at: http://www.thepoorman.net/archives/002849.html

%u201CMr. Bush has lied about his time in the National Guard, and lied about his criminal history. He lied about his relationship with Ken Lay, he lied about who would benefit from his tax cuts, and he lied about stem cells. He lied about his visit to Bob Jones University, he lied about why he wouldn''t meet with Log Cabin Republicans, and he lied about reading the EPA report on global warming. He lied about blaming the Clinton administration for the second intifada, he lies constantly about how he pays no attention to polls, he lied about how he loves New York, and he lied about moving the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. He lied about funding the fight against AIDS in Africa, he lied about when the recession started, and he lied about seeing the first plane hit the WTC. He lied about supporting the Patient Protection Act, and he lied about his deficit spending, and now my wrist hurts.%u201D The Poor Man''s Blog.

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by mudrose-2009 October 26, 2007 3:57 PM PDT
The FRINGE are the Blood Guilty Churches that have spawned the Right Wing frenzy ruling our government.

Posted by simonsez40

Now you know why I call you a skinhead? You are a FairyNazi. Kill the Christians, Kill the Christians!
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by simonsez40 October 26, 2007 3:57 PM PDT
Since God finds liars to be an abomination (Proverbs 12:22) %u2014why would any Christian align himself with a liar rather than someone who speaks the truth? After all, biblically, he who votes for a liar becomes a partaker of the liar%u2019s evil deeds. (2 John 1:11).



We need to ask the churches the following central question:



%u201CIs it moral to vote for an evil man (one who lies, who hates others and who employs coercion to impose his will upon others)%u2014because you expect that individual will vote the way you believe he or she should vote in office?%u201D



If the church elders respond, %u201CYes, it is moral,%u201D then we must ask why that church violates Christian doctrine and belief. See 2 John 1:9-11 where a Christian cannot encourage, accept or support someone, who in his actions is disloyal to what Jesus taught.



If the church elders respond, %u201CNo, it is not moral,%u201D then we must ask why the members of that church voted for an evil man for president and evil congressional candidates as defined in this essay by the Bush administration agenda.

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by simonsez40 October 26, 2007 3:58 PM PDT
Mudrose again you have no clue what a skinhead is - as well as having no clue what a Right wing nut job is...........

Got to Wikepida and look up skinhead.........lol!
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by signof4 October 26, 2007 3:59 PM PDT
man is endowed by his "Creator"
Posted by mudrose at 03:51 PM : Oct 26, 2007

Some are more ''endowed'' than others! LOL It''s a proven FACT that conservatives score higher on standardized tests than liberals do! Look it up!

And get your mind out of the GUTTER! LOL
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by simonsez40 October 26, 2007 3:59 PM PDT
White power skinheads or Nazi skinheads are a far right subculture that developed in the United Kingdom around the late 1970s.[1]

Typically racist, antisemitic, anti-islamic, white supremacist, anti-gay and often neo-Nazi


Did you read that ANTI-GAY? LMAO.
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by simonsez40 October 26, 2007 4:01 PM PDT
I abhore cut and paste scripture tactics but that seems to be all singinrick can do....thought maybe he could understand them better.
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by mudrose-2009 October 26, 2007 4:03 PM PDT
Posted by simonsez40

I know full well what a skinhead is. Apparently the abstraction eludes you.
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by signof4 October 26, 2007 4:03 PM PDT
Did you read that ANTI-GAY? LMAO.
Posted by simonsez40 at 03:59 PM : Oct 26, 2007

Throw anti bed-wetting lib in there and you can sign me up!
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by hippychicky-2009 October 26, 2007 4:03 PM PDT
Mudrose:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Do you see that word equal, tell me just how equal under the law am I to you?
And just FYI alittle medical facts
Embryonic stem cells are stem cells derived from the inner cell mass of an early stage embryo known as a blastocyst. Human embryos reach the blastocyst stage 4-5 days post fertilization.
I don''t think at that stage in fertilization a fetus is thinking of life, doppler can not even pick up a viable heart beat until 7wks out.
Its a mass of cells 50-150 imagine what kind of great medical research could be done, with fetuses..might as well use them for the greater good...

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by signof4 October 26, 2007 4:12 PM PDT
Its a mass of cells 50-150 imagine what kind of great medical research could be done, with fetuses..might as well use them for the greater good...
Posted by hippychicky at 04:03 PM : Oct 26, 2007

''A mass of cells.'' ''Use them for the greater good.'' You''re one of those people whose parents smoked a lot of dope, and you probably think animals have more rights than humans. Am I right? Be honest.
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by mudrose-2009 October 26, 2007 4:25 PM PDT
''''A mass of cells.'''' ''''Use them for the greater good.'''' You''''re one of those people whose parents smoked a lot of dope, and you probably think animals have more rights than humans. Am I right? Be honest.
Posted by Signof4

Yeah the FemiNazis and the FairyNazis. Put this group together and you have radical, anti-life ideologues supporting a Culture of Death whether it be in the womb and now the concept of unnatural cominglings of the species. One kills the species, the other is barren.
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by hippychicky-2009 October 26, 2007 5:49 PM PDT
Your abortion and stem-cell debates are null and void if you read and research the bible''s passages.

The real topping to this issue that reveals the hypocrisy of the churches is the fact they have never believed a miscarried fetus is a sentient human, else they would have held funerals for them.

There are other aspects of the abortion debate that should be examined. In order to have made it an overriding issue for Catholics and many evangelical churches, the anti-abortion proponents had to lie that a zygote is a sentient human being. Obviously, the anti-abortion proponents believe that it is moral to lie because their ends (the bringing to term of all zygotes) justify their means; that is, lying leads to an allegedly pro-life end.



But biblically, he who lies hates the one he lies to. (Proverbs 26:28.) The scriptures then equate hating to be the moral equivalent of murder. (1 John 3:15.) So the irony is that biblically the anti-abortion proponents and followers who repeat the lies are the biblical equivalent to murderers. Yet there is no biblical injunction or punishment for abortion in the Bible. The issue of abortions is essentially a phony issue because humans abort%u2014they miscarry and the God of the Bible did not label an aborted zygote a %u201Csentient human being.%u201D Period. End of story.



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by kansas1946 October 26, 2007 5:51 PM PDT
"The Obama campaign is trying to bridge real divides and bring people together. Two things are certain: We will never be able to bridge those divides if we are unwilling to listen to voices we don''t agree with, and we will never change anyone''s mind if we refuse to talk to him," Griffs said in a statement
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Obama and his campaign is dead-on right on this one. You can''t exclude, you have to include. As long as everyone is under the tent, then they might just accidentally learn something, or make a new friend. *** are Americans and so are people that think it is a choice. Now trying to deny gay people equal protections, THAT is unAmerican, not disagreeing on why they are gay.
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by usaprophet October 26, 2007 8:12 PM PDT
I support Ron Paul. There is something homespun about Paul, reminiscent of Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. He communicates with his constituents through birthday cards, August barbecues and the cookbooks his wife puts together every election season, which mix photos of grandchildren, Gospel passages and neighbors%u2019 recipes for Velveeta cheese fudge and Cherry Coke salad. He is listed in the phone book, and his constituents call him at home. But there is also something cosmopolitan and radical about him; his speeches can bring to mind the World Social Forum or the French international-affairs periodical Le Monde Diplomatique. Ron Paul represents a different Republican Party from the one that Iraq, deficits and corruption have soured the country on. His school of Republicanism, which had its last serious national airing in the Goldwater campaign of 1964, stands for a certain idea of the Constitution the idea that much of the power asserted by modern presidents has been usurped from Congress, and that much of the power asserted by Congress has been usurped from the states. Though Paul acknowledges flaws in both the Constitution (it included slavery) and the Bill of Rights (it doesn%u2019t go far enough), he still thinks a comprehensive array of positions can be drawn from them: against gun control; for the sovereignty of states; and against foreign-policy adventures.
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by kansas1946 October 27, 2007 12:06 AM PDT
There is nothing in the Constitution that supports same-s/ex marriage, abortion or embryonic stem cell research.
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There is nothing in the constitution that bars same *** marriage, on the contrary, it promises equality. There is no protection in the constitution for anyone until they are born. There is nothing in the constitution that prohibits stem-cell research. The word God is not in the Constitution.
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by chuck19563 October 27, 2007 5:13 AM PDT
I''ve only got one question that I feel is worth answering by those who shout the loudest...

If this gay movement is right...they are born this way, will murders, rapist, child molesters also be informed they were born this way and its OK. You can go and rape because you are born this way. You can molest the children because you can''t help you were born this way. You can''t help you kill, you were born this way.

God help our nation. Sorry but it''s a choice. May be hard to accept but its true.

If this nation does not learn this and soon, we will see the rest of this nation like California...destroyed for lack of knowledge (Godly knowledge). As a matter of fact, teaching the kids to accept unatural behavior at any grade level is wrong. Schools should teach reading, math, science and the fear of God. Even the animals know better that many humans.

I''m not a religious nut but I fear for our country and who''s incharge of making these ungodly laws. They have not heard the last of their decisions.

When the Bible was in school...gum was the main problem. Since the Bible has been taken out...guns are the problem with ***, drugs and sickness''.

We must repent and turn from our wicked ways.

End of story.

chuck
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by chuck19563 October 27, 2007 5:17 AM PDT
hippychick,

The Bible does say, "Before I formed you in your mothers womb, I knew you". ...God

Sorry, but murder is murder and it doesn''t matter if inside or outside of the mother. My Lord, over 52 million killed in this courntry since Roe v. Wade.

Can''t you hear the cry of the babies...listen. I pray you have a true dream of such tonight.

chuck
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by hippychicky-2009 October 27, 2007 8:09 AM PDT
If this gay movement is right...they are born this way, will murders, rapist, child molesters also be informed they were born this way and its OK. You can go and rape because you are born this way. You can molest the children because you can''''t help you were born this way. You can''''t help you kill, you were born this way.
Posted by chuck19563

Oh yes, because its obviously the same things..how unthought out was that posting. I think we covered stastics on that if you would scroll down.
Quick spreading hate!
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by keltoid October 27, 2007 9:07 AM PDT
Re: Homosexuality as a choice. Many homosexuals do not like the idea of their sexual orientation being classified as a choice, but rather that it is their genetic makeup that determines their sexual orientation. If genetic''s and other hereditary factors are the means by which a person''s sexual orientation is determined, then how does this genetic trait pass on? If sexual intercourse is performed solely with the same ***, copulation cannot occur and that genetic trait would not carry on to the next generation-true?
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by keltoid October 27, 2007 9:08 AM PDT
Re: Homosexuality as a choice. Many homosexuals do not like the idea of their sexual orientation being classified as a choice, but rather that it is their genetic makeup that determines their sexual orientation. If genetics and other hereditary factors are the means by which a person''s sexual orientation is determined, then how does this genetic trait pass on? If sexual intercourse is performed solely with the same ***, copulation cannot occur and that genetic trait would not carry on to the next generation-true?
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by realpatriot1 October 27, 2007 10:33 AM PDT
chuck19563,

Since you know that the devastation in California is God''s retribution against those who don''t accept your consevative views, explain why the fires hit in the most conservative areas of the state. Tornado ally is highly conservative, is that God''s retribution? You''re talking hate, not common sense.

singinrick,

I''ll ask again..where did Jesus say that homosexuality was a sin or to condemn others for their sins? Jesus commands us all to deal with our own sins!

Everyone is responsible for their own spiritual path and no one else''s and part of each Christian''s spiritual path is to love your neighbor as yourself, ALL your neighbors.

You challenge the findings that homosexuality is genetic. You may be right and you may be wrong, you offer no science or studies of your own to dispute the
findings, and you make other unsubstantiated claims about conversion studies being successful, about converting a homosexual yourself,and, that homosexuals are a small part of the population(since many are in the closet how would you determine this?).

You have every right to your views and your faith but your scientific opinions like your scriptural interpretations are your and are not backed up by either independent science or the words of Jesus.
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by bill_g3 October 27, 2007 1:35 PM PDT
realpatriot1,

you asked, you received

Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

what? Jesus didn''t say that? wanna bet?

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

there is your proof of Jesus Word.

Now your second part that Jesus DID NOT say to condemn others for their sins. He commanded us to REPENT of OUR sins. A true Christian will love, pray for, and encourage a sinner to change from a sinful behavior but anyone who try to force the changes does more damage to everyone around. God/Jesus gave all of us a choice and whatever choice you choose will determine where you will spend your eternal time. The Choices are accept God or Reject Him. When you accept Him your Life WILL change like McClurkin as God will not let you fight your "sin" alone. If you don''t want give up your life style which mean you love the sin and You rejected God.

It sound like those homosexual who rejected McClurkin are "Christiaphobo".

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by underbear1 October 27, 2007 2:33 PM PDT
South Carolina EQUALITY

Light a candle for me. Light up the whole night sky of this gospel Hate-Fest!
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McClurkin,

Nail that CLOSET shut with 9 inch spikes, cuz if the LGBT community catches you tricking with a man,(and we WILL), you''ll think Larry Craig and Ted Haggard got off EASY. You and You alone are making Obama''s campaign something openly proud queers won''t support in 08''.

Rev Sidden,
You diminish yourself fronting for this BULLSH*T
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by underbear1 October 27, 2007 2:37 PM PDT
Obama = Alan Keyes only taller

Hillary = Lieberman with a fake laugh

Keep this up Democrats and you''ll succeed in LOSING another unloseable election
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