Bush Prevails Again In Child Health Fight

Changes To S-CHIP Measure Fail To Produce A Veto-Proof Majority

(AP)  The House passed a revised children's health proposal Thursday, but not by the two-thirds margin that supporters will need if President Bush vetoes the measure as promised.

The 265-142 vote was a victory for Bush and his allies, who urged House Republicans to reject Democrats' claims that changes to the legislation had met their chief concerns. If the same vote occurs on a veto override attempt, Bush will prevail, as he did earlier this month when he vetoed a similar bill.

Liberal groups continue to run attack ads against Republicans siding with Bush on the issue, which many Democrats consider a winner for their party.

Democratic leaders said changes to the bill, which would add $35 billion to the State Children's Health Insurance Program, had addressed critics' concerns about participation by adults, illegal immigrants and families able to afford health insurance. But GOP leaders called the changes insignificant and politically motivated.

The decade-old health program is aimed at families that do not qualify for Medicaid but are too poor to afford medical insurance. As with the bill Bush vetoed, the revised measure would add would $35 billion over five years, financed by a 61-cent increase in the federal excise tax on a pack of cigarettes.

Under the revisions, the program would exclude families earning more than three times the federal poverty rate. Low-income childless adults, which some states cover, would be phased out in one year. And states would have to be more rigorous in checking the validity of applicants' Social Security numbers, an effort to exclude illegal immigrants.

House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, likened the revisions to "window-dressing rather than substantive changes."

However, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said the legislation "has the support of the American people."

Before Thursday's vote, the White House announced that Bush would veto the revised bill because it does too little to enroll low-income families ahead of those somewhat better off, and because it would cost more than the earlier bill.

Democrats said it would cost more because it would cover more low-income children, the program's chief goal.

[forthepeopl1]

tell everone over in the white go ahead and veto this and we will veto bushes addional 50 billion he is asking for, and lets see what this a/s/s kisser perino say to that.

[adventurepa]

"GOP leaders urged their colleagues to resist, saying the changes are too minor to justify abandoning Bush on a high-profile issue."

These loyal bushy''s need to be voted out next year.

"A 61-cent increase in the federal excise tax on a pack of cigarettes."
That means $8.00 a pack in New Jersey.
That sucks.
I think the money should come from the Money we give to all the other countries every year.
Give back to America instead.

[oscarez]

"A 61-cent increase in the federal excise tax on a pack of cigarettes."
That means $8.00 a pack in New Jersey.
That sucks."

If you are a smoker stop. Bush is kissing the cigarette makers azz. The GOP leaders are a bunch of gutless wonders.

[simonsez40]

Bush is an arrogant b@st@rd that is out of touch with America! Give em heck.....force his hand! Let the showdown begin!

[houser123]

"A 61-cent increase in the federal excise tax on a pack of cigarettes."
That means $8.00 a pack in New Jersey.
That sucks.
Posted by adventurepa at 01:35 PM : Oct 25, 2007
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I will tell you what sucks. Its watching a loved one "Gasp and SUCK" for every once of breath they get after being daiagnosed with COPD or lung cancer. That''s what really SUCKS. I would like to see a pack of Killer Cigarettes cost $100.00 per pack with an additional tax of $50.00 on top of that. It''s time BIG TOBACCO is told enough is enough, You have lied to us for decades and it''s time to control tobacco like any other drug or chemical that is causing harm.

STOP SMOKING NOW................

[antoniof123]

tell everone over in the white go ahead and veto this and we will veto bushes addional 50 billion he is asking for, and lets see what this a/s/s kisser perino say to that.

Posted by forthepeopl1 at 01:12 PM : Oct 25, 2007

I think instead of just vetoing the 50 billion they should veto it all. But hey instead of that give it too him one month at a time and each time try to pass a time line. I wonder how long before the full weight of America leans on the GOP once and for all for the next century.

[rf36]

I hate to say it, but for once, I''m with the Prez. Health care is not an issue that will be solved by raising taxes...throwing money at this problem will not make it go away. There needs to be a major reform of the American Health Insurance business. I have far too many ideas on how to do this to post here, but rest assured, I''ll send them to my representatives in congress. I''ll also urge them to support the veto. Raising taxes on tobacco, alcohol, etc. is NOT solving anything, it''s just a way to keep the masses poor and out of the way.

[simonsez40]

The issue here is of course healthcare for the poor children, but you have a President that is willing to talk fiscal responsibility when funds are asked to assist our nations poor - but yet he neglects to bring up that subject when he asks for billions to fund a war that isn''t working.........

That is a huge part of the issue for most Americans with this president and this subject.

[antoniof123]

13 votes short of a two-thirds majority.

All Republicans time to clean more house America. They are not listening again what will it take. Maybe putting them in the Super minority for a few decades will clean their heads out.

[simonsez40]

Just got this visual of Bush holding the bible against his breast with his loyal MORAL BASE Republicans following him........around the bend..over the mountains...and off the STEEP cliff.....all the while singing loudly...

"Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
with the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
forward into battle see his banners go!

[erasmus6]

"tell everone over in the white go ahead and veto this and we will veto bushes addional 50 billion he is asking for, and lets see what this a/s/s kisser perino say to that." posted by forthepeopl1

What you people need to do is STOP TALKING ABOUT IT AND JUST DO IT.!!

There is no way that Bush CAN''T veto it because there is NO MONEY!! All money has to go to that war as long as there are troops there. And even if they decided TODAY to bring the troops home, it will take time.

[toolmangler-2009]

STOP SMOKING NOW................

Posted by Houser123 at 02:07 PM : Oct 25, 2007


I DID!!! have you stopped drinking?

[mudrose-2009]

It does too little to enroll low-income families ahead of those slightly better off, and because it includes a tax hike -- in this case, on tobacco. So the Dimnowits are still hell bent on getting the middle class off their insurance onto government funded programs and the hords have to listen to the same old c/rap over and over again about how the poor are deprived of care. Do they think everyone''s as stupid as them?

[rf36]

Parrot2: Smoking is most prevelant among low-income Americans. Therefore, increase the tobacco tax and it hits low-income Americans hardest. The Bushies, in their apparent quest to create a caste system in America, want the poor to get poorer and the rich to get richer. The majority of Americans are not rich. Hence, keep the masses poor.

[walt1944-2009]

Once again, the Great Emperor Bush II has threatened to veto the "revised" SCHIP bill for numerous mundane reasons. It is expected that the Emperor''s loyal Fascist Republican congressmen will, once again, march along with the Emperor in supporting HIS veto!

As reported earlier, although the Emperor has come out with numerous reasons for his veto of the bill, the real reason is that the Emperor feels that if children want health insurance, they should go out and work for it! Although this may sound like an endorsement of "child slave labor", the Emperor is quick to point out that whatever money children make would go to buy health insurance (and thus make the insurance companies that much richer). Besides, the Emperor feels that children should be working and not at school!

In the meantime, the Emperor is pressing hard to have the cowardly, spineless Democrats pass a $46 Billion increase in military spending to "support the troops"!!!

HAIL TO THE EMPEROR''S AND FASCIST REPUBLICANS WRAPPED SENSE OF HONOR!!!

SIG HEIL, BUSH!!!

[simonsez40]

Since your REPUGS love to grasp onto your moral values I''m going to throw this right back at you....

But does the Bible say anything about Professor William%u2019s accusation that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are actually immoral programs because they rob from the rich to give to the poor who haven%u2019t earned it?



To the contrary, in fact the Bible requires a portion of the wealth of all the people of a nation to be set aside and transferred to the poor and needy! Clearly Mr. Bush and the Republicans in Congress are trying to destroy what God has established.



Deuteronomy 26:12-13 establishes a holy tax (called a tithe) for the nation of ancient Israel, which transfers wealth to a group of people who did not earn it. In this scripture the payments were made every third year to the Levites, who were our equivalent of civil servants and to %u201Cthe stranger and the sojourner, the fatherless, and to the widow, that they may eat within your towns and be filled.%u201D (Amplified.)



Similarly Deuteronomy 24: 19-22 (Amplified) creates both a form of taxation as well as a transfer of the wealth on an annual basis to the poor: the stranger and sojourner, the fatherless and the widow. The scripture requires that a portion of three different crops be left for the poor and needy: the harvest from the fields, oil from the olive trees, and the grapes from the vineyard.

[simonsez40]

Moreover, in the Bible, refusal to defend the rights of the needy and the widows and orphans (and here I%u2019m thinking of the widows and orphans of the September 11, 2001 tragedy) is a very big deal.[103] For it was sufficient cause for God to allow that nation to be destroyed and its people carried away into slavery. The book of Jeremiah speaks to the issue and God begins to sound more and more like a good liberal Democrat:

[simonsez40]

There is a plethora of scripture to refute your MORAL CHRISTIAN BASE rhetoric - that you have tainted and slanted to line your pockets.

%u201CHe who has pity on the poor lends to the Lord, and that which he has given He will repay to him.%u201D (Proverbs 19:17. Amplified.)



%u201CHe who gives to the poor will not want, but he who hides his eyes [from their want] will have many a curse.%u201D (Proverbs 28:27. Amplified.)

[simonsez40]

Another poignant scripture that reveals Jesus%u2019 own attitude toward the nations and people who have ignored the plight of the poor, sick and needy is from the book of Matthew. Notice that the separation of the people is done on a national basis. This must be read as an indictment of national political actions as well as personal actions. The individuals who supported false leaders and their agenda toward the poor and needy are clearly going to be held responsible for their votes:



%u201CAll nations shall be gathered before him, and he will separate the people%u2026And he will cause the sheep to stand at his right hand, but the goats at his left%u2026.Then he will say to those at his left hand, %u2018Be gone from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels!%u2019



%u2018For I was hungry and you gave me no food; I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink; I was a stranger and you did not welcome me%u2026I was naked and you did not clothe me; I was sick and in prison and you did not visit me with help and ministering care.%u2019

I''m certainly not a religious ZEALOT but I get tired of their religious rants and raves to defend their viewpoints....the finger can be turned around.

[toolmangler-2009]

Parrot2: Smoking is most prevelant among low-income Americans. Therefore, increase the tobacco tax and it hits low-income Americans hardest. The Bushies, in their apparent quest to create a caste system in America, want the poor to get poorer and the rich to get richer. The majority of Americans are not rich. Hence, keep the masses poor.

Posted by rf36 at 03:27 PM : Oct 25, 2007



You had a good post going until you blamed Bushy_baby. As much as is hurts to say this, he is the one stopping this bill and it is one my fellow Democrats put together ''just'' to hurt Bushy_baby. I am for getting him out of office right now but doing it over the health care for the poor is "DIRTY POLITICS" even if my fellow Dems did it. WRONG IS WRONG!!!!!!!

[usbrit-2009]

The democrats should tie the original SCHIP bill to the war funding bill. See what the little f.ucker does then!!!!!

[liberalme]

If it doesn''t say war, oil or money--the little twerp will veto it.
I agree with USBrit--tie it to his never-ending quest for blood money!

Bush''s healthcare is provided by US--gee I think we should cancel it--H E L L he can afford to pay for his own colonoscopy! Why do we have to pay his insurance, he has more money than most of us!

[toolmangler-2009]

The bill as preented is a BAD BILL, As a Dem I say "C''MON GUYZ" do it right, quit playing politics with poor childrens health. TANSTAFFL (there aint no such thing as a free lunch) Let those who can afford it, do so. Help those that can''t.

[erasmus6]

I just don''''t get it, you Americans are always saying how great your country is but it can''''t be that great or you all would be putting up a fight to get control of your country back.

Could the government possibly have drugged your water supply?

[liberalme]

I agree erasmus--but the people we elected aren''t doing a thing--sooner or later (hopefully sooner)there will be a big revolt in this country, people are on the edge and can''t take much more.

We have relied to heavily on the people we voted in to keep our country safe and free--they are aware how much Bush is disliked and not trusted, but they (for whatever reason) are afraid of him.
There are more of us than there is of him and we should be able to get this american terrorist out! God help us if we don''t.

[toolmangler-2009]

Could the government possibly have drugged your water supply?

Posted by erasmus6 at 04:11 PM : Oct 25, 2007


NAH!!!! Our water comes from Canada, (unless the Canadians are drugging it).... ;)

[mudrose-2009]

The bill as preented is a BAD BILL, As a Dem I say "C''''MON GUYZ" do it right, quit playing politics with poor childrens health. TANSTAFFL (there aint no such thing as a free lunch) Let those who can afford it, do so. Help those that can''''t.
Posted by ToolMangler

A good sign of intelligence is to learn from one''s mistakes. Is it any wonder this Congress is at 11%. They must have a combined IQ of about 22.

[usbrit-2009]

mudrose - I''ll bet if the question was divided into two - what do you think of the democrats in congress and what do you think of the repubs? - the answers would be very different. Unfortunately you only need a 40% minority to block everything the 60% majority wants to do. How did things get so screwed up?

[toolmangler-2009]

They must have a combined IQ of about 22.

Posted by mudrose at 04:31 PM : Oct 25, 2007



You sure are generous..... LOL

[myidoncbs]

Republicans hate children.

Republicans love war (which also means they hate children, because it is the children who suffer most in any war).

[pmitchem1]

I love kids and I am a repblican. I don''t believe that we need to pass this bill because it covers children that don''t need to be covered. We need to find tham help but not this way. this is basically "universal healthcare" which is by no means what this country needs. Let the states cover this not the federal govn''t. Also, since all of you that i have read thus far want ot blame teh war on Bush i want to ask you to read the Constitution. it says that Bush can''t declare war but he can only occupy a country. On the other hand Congress is the only part of our govn''t that can declare war. Suprising isn''t it.

[gkc99]

Oh yeah, $40,000,000,000 MORE for Iraq, straight onto the national debt (no tax cuts for Bushitbillionaires!) but sick kids? F**k ''em!

Maybe Bushit can hug a few more San Diego hilltop mansion millionaires to show how he cares instead.

[papabc]

MyIDonCBS
Republicans hate children.

Republicans love war (which also means they hate children, because it is the children who suffer most in any war).
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How narrow of you. If the bill does not help those that really need help then what good is it?

Is it a show that does nothing to help the truly poor children of America and then tries to harm the President?

Democrats should be ashamed of what Congress is truly doing by wasting US tax payers time & money.

[jowand]

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results
Albert Einstein

Nothing wrong with the original Schip program, Bush supported putting more money into this program

[jowand]

Republicans love war (which also means they hate children, because it is the children who suffer most in any war).

Posted by MyIDonCBS at 04:53 PM : Oct 25, 2007

It''s Democrats who supporting the killing of unborn children including partial birth abortion.
Republicans support needy children, parents making over 60,000 a year isn''t needy; let them buy their own extra insurance.

[erasmus6]

Someone didn''t like my comment to Toolmangler about the water supply? It has been removed. I thought it was pretty funny.

[mcvet]

It''''s Democrats who supporting the killing of unborn children including partial birth abortion.
Republicans support needy children, parents making over 60,000 a year isn''''t needy; let them buy their own extra insurance.



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Posted by jowand at 05:30 PM : Oct 25, 2007
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YOU SIR ARE A LIAR! Plain and simply a LIAR. That is NOT what Democrats say or what Democrats stand for an YOU know it. They support the rulings of the Supreme Court, that Government and the Leaders of the Hood and Sheet Crowd have NO BUSINESS involving themselves in this decision. This should be a decision between a Woman and her Doctor, PERIOD! BIG DIFFERENCE Swastika Breath, as if it will do any good to point the FACT out to you. I grew up in a time when Abortion was not legal, when a frightened Mother or desperate Teen was left with ONE option, the back ally and a coat hanger. Did that stop Abortions then? Nope and you losers aren''t going to stop them in the future, it''s just something for you to sell to Kool Aid Drinkers and you know it!! Sieg Heil Bush!!

[papabc]

mocaleo:
Read other sources than CBS and you might find a few things.

We do not need a bill that raises taxes and does not help the poor kids. I will admit that a single parent making $45K or less in my area (no medical benefits) might need help.

My daughter earns $14.00 an hrs ($30K/Yr) but she has benefits to cover the family. She pays in about $100 a month for the coverage. Should she be covered by this bill. NO.

She was also getting government help with Food and rent so everything was covered. Given a chance people will figure things out and most likey be OK.

Do I help her? As needed.

[j-whitman]

jowand,,,, Your ignorance is killing both children & unborn children here & abroad ------- The new plan puts further caps on who gets the help.... It''s 30,000 not the 60,000 you & your GOP dishonorably claim ---- It cut''s off more adults & allows more pregnant mothers aid

[mcvet]

Nothing wrong with the original Schip program, Bush supported putting more money into this program


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Posted by jowand at 05:28 PM : Oct 25, 2007
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That''s rediculous and the FACTS PROVE it. When Clinton signed this into law there were MILLIONS who had coverage that do not have it today. The PEOPLE of this nation want this bill put into law, now if you fascist want to continue to stop Kids from having Health Insurance, that''s okay with me.... The Clock is ticking!! Sieg Heil Bush!!

[sblake63]

jowand
SHUT UP YOU NUMB-NUT DUMB AZZ


Posted by mocaleo at 05:31 PM : Oct 25, 2007

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50 bucks says this **** didnt even get his G.E.D LMFAO!!!!

[papabc]

When Clinton signed this into law there were MILLIONS who had coverage that do not have it today
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So why did congress screw up the original if it was doing the job? Democrats over inflated the bill & it wouldn''t cover enough of the Poorer Kids.

[one_american]

Democrats lose again in their War Against America.

Pelosi and Reid have become the biggest pair of all-time losers in the history of the Congress.

Americans are becoming aware of the dirty tricks of the Democrats, and are having none of it.

If the Democrats continue to "stay the course", they can expect more defeat for their failed policies.

Next up: Charlie Rangle and Hillary Clinton will try to pass legislation (in the next two weeks) that will give all Americans by far their largest tax hike in history...

[donbl1]

while cruising.... noticed the latest poll on the congress and the president.

President 35% approval with 53% thinking still powerful.
Congress 25% approval

Pretty bad all the way around. Now this SCHIP redux. Get something done!

[papabc]

One_American: Next up: Charlie Rangle and Hillary Clinton will try to pass legislation (in the next two weeks) that will give all Americans by far their largest tax hike in history...
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What else is new.
Punish the Rich, Punish the middle class and as a result punish the poor.
BUT
Reward the Illegal invaders.

[one_american]

What else is new.
"Punish the Rich, Punish the middle class and as a result punish the poor.
BUT
Reward the Illegal invaders."


Posted by PapaBC at 05:52 PM : Oct 25, 2007


Yup. I guess nobody can accuse them of not sticking to their game plan. Fourty years, and they still run the same play, over and over and over...

[j-whitman]

PapaBC,,,, Come on folks don''t fall into the GOP lies & dishonor, when you do, you become the Ugly Americans no nation wants to emulate.

The new measure eliminates aid to illegal aliens, try paying attention to the facts instead of GOP news releases & Fox News

[erasmus6]

"Someone didn''''t like my comment to Toolmangler about the water supply? It has been removed. I thought it was pretty funny. " posted by erasmus6

OOPS, my mistake, wrong site.

[sblake63]

jowand,,,, Your ignorance is killing both children & unborn children here & abroad ------- The new plan puts further caps on who gets the help.... It''''s 30,000 not the 60,000 you & your GOP dishonorably claim ---- It cut''''s off more adults & allows more pregnant mothers aid

Posted by j-whitman at 05:46 PM : Oct 25, 2007

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Yes, we''ll be paying for preggo mothers who probably don''t know who the father is. Whets one of the liberals rally cries? "stay out of our bedrooms". If were paying for these *** kids, we sure as hell do have say so over these "hoodrats" sexual habits lol. I say pay for the 1st kid and then sterilize the mother and the father so they can not burden society with more potential criminals.

If I were president I would have a hard time signing this bill just based in principle. Most low income people make poor lifestyle choices which result in poor health for them and their kids. Shall all of us pay for others bad decisions? Do we unconditionally pay for others bad decisions the rest of our lives?

I say if we have to, people need to be accountable to the government to contain costs. Random drug tests, especially on expectant mothers. And tests can be done for smoking. There are a few private health insurance plans that wont even cover smokers.

If your going to accept state help, you have already ceded some of your rights.

[one_american]

j-whitman sez:

"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain...ahem I AM THE ALL-POWERFUL OZ!"

Get a dose of reality, sub-boy.