Candidates Spar Over Conservative Records

Republican Hopefuls Argue Over Who Is Most Conservative During Florida Debate

(CBS/AP)  Republican front-runners Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney defended their conservative credentials in the face of pointed attacks from campaign rivals Sunday night in the most aggressive debate to date of the race for the White House.

"You've just spent the last year trying to fool people about your record. I don't want you to start fooling them about mine," Arizona Sen. John McCain bluntly told Romney, the former governor of Massachusetts.

Former Sen. Fred Thompson made Giuliani his target, saying the former New York mayor supported federal funding for abortion, gun control and havens for illegal immigrants.

"He sides with Hillary Clinton on each of those issues," added Thompson, referring to the New York Democrat who leads in the polls for her party's presidential nomination.

The clashes in the early moments of a 90-minute debate prompted former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee to say he wanted no part of a "demolition derby" with others of his own party. "What I'm interested in is fighting for the American people."

"Time is growing short in this nomination fight," said CBSNews.com senior political editor Vaughn Ververs. "We're headed for a battle which will be won in the trenches and none of these Republicans have been able to gain the upper hand."

The debate was the first since Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas dropped out of the race, winnowing the field. The remaining rivals stood on a stage at a resort 10 miles from Walt Disney World, fielding questions at an event broadcast by Fox News Channel.

The leadoff Iowa caucuses are scheduled for Jan. 3, 2008, for Republicans. In their most recent debate, Oct. 9, Giuliani and Romney swapped charges with each other, vying for primacy in the race.

This time they largely ignored each other. Instead, Giuliani's lead in the nation polls, as well as Romney's perceived strength in early voting states, made them obvious targets for McCain and Thompson.

The first question went to Giuliani, asked whether he was more conservative than Thompson. "I can't comment on Fred," the former mayor said.

He then added that he had brought down crime, cleaned up Times Square, cut taxes and eliminated the city's deficits. "I think that was a pretty darned good conservative record," he said.

Giuliani took a more conservative position on gay marriage than he has thus far, saying he would support a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage if states begin to legalize it.

Giuliani lived with an openly gay couple after separating from his second wife, Donna Hanover, and one member of the couple said at the time that Giuliani promised to marry them if gay marriage was ever legalized.

Attacked by the former Tennessee senator moments later, Giuliani fired back at his antagonist. "Fred has problems, too," he said. He said Thompson was the "single biggest obstacle" in the Senate to legislation limiting the ability of individuals filing lawsuits to recover unlimited damages.

"He stood with the Democrats over and over again" on the issue, Giuliani added.

Thompson said he believed states should decide whether to limit lawsuits in their own states.

Republicans in Congress tried for years to pass legislation that would cap damages in lawsuits, but never succeeded before losing their majority to Democrats in 2006.

Romney was asked about McCain's earlier claims that he had shifted positions on a number of issues to appeal to conservative Republicans.

The former Massachusetts governor responded that he was proud of his record, particularly since the state had an overwhelmingly Democratic Legislature. "I fought to make sure we kept our taxes down. I fought for pro-growth strategies. I cut taxes," he said.

Moments later, though, McCain personally turned on Romney.

"Governor Romney, you've been spending the last year trying to fool people about your record. I don't want you to start fooling them about mine," he said.

Saying he would run on his record as a conservative, McCain added, "I don't think you can fool the American people. I think the first thing you'd need is their respect."

Whatever their disagreements among one another, the eight rivals agreed on one issue. They took turns criticizing Clinton, the Democratic front-runner.

Asked whether she was fit to be commander in chief, Romney replied, "I'd vote no."

Giuliani said he agreed with one thing the former first lady said recently. "I have a million ideas America. Cannot afford them all," he quoted her as saying as laughter filled the debate hall. "I'm not making it up."

McCain said Clinton had recently tried to spend $1 million on a Woodstock Museum, commemorating perhaps the most famous counterculture event of the 1960s.

"Now my friends I wasn't there. I'm sure it was a cultural and pharmaceutical event," he said.

"I was tied up at the time," he deadpanned, and the audience rose to applaud the reference to the five and a half years McCain spent as a prisoner of war during Vietnam.

[sftodd]

www.choosejesusrightnow.com
Posted by singinrick at 08:32 PM : Oct 22, 2007

Trust me singinrick, I''ve seen enthusiasts like you come and go, and the bigger they are, the harder they fall. When you have a little age on you, you''ll see the follie of your ways. But for now, it''s fun to fantasize, isn''t it? I fantansize that God is a purple alien who lives on an orange planet one hundred billion light years from earth. No one can prove me wrong. Besides, he speaks to me, and tells me these things, and God certainly wouldn''t lie. He told me last night that the Bible was written by some people who got a little carried away with their hallucinogenic drugs and that they didn''t have the slightest idea what they were writing about, but that he decided to fulfill their prophecies just to toy with you.

[malomaboy06]

We found a skeleton, nicknamed "Lucy". They could prove that she existed for more than 6,000 years. Please deny this. Give me evidence to deny this.

You continue to give be observations of design. Unfortunatly, I''ll save you the time, and tell you that you can''t prove design.

[malomaboy06]

You like ot speak of observation. But did anyone observe anthing that you are trying to prove?

[malomaboy06]

Design does imply designer. Very good. But logic demands that you prove design. You need one to prove the other. If you want to convince me of anything, you must use more than the Bible. (By the way, I am more than familiar with the Bible. Don''t you think that the first five books of the Bible were written by a man that dies during the forth book, and that the book records what happens after his death? I thought it was interesting.)

[malomaboy06]

Observations are not facts, as they are based in human perspective, making them subject to inaccuracies.

I think you need to check again.

[malomaboy06]

In the same way that one cannot witness the world evolving in one lifetime, one cannot observe God creating the world.

[malomaboy06]

Completely for the record, I am not telling you your wrong. I want you to provide me with facts to support your opinion. Give me facts, not observations, not what you are entitled to believe.

[malomaboy06]

singinrick: Evolution is one of the biggest lies to engulf our culture and it has fooled the minds of many, sadly.

Unfortunatly, I don''t consider this evidence. This is what I would call opinion. That it wornderfull. You are more than entitled to your opinion. However, I am also interested in fact. If you have any fact, I would by more than happy to debate it.

[malomaboy06]

I must say that I am certianly confused by the claim that evolution isn''t science. Evolution is just as much a science as archeology. This isn''t some "voodoo science" that people make up to disprove the bible. Evolution is a verifiable science, more so, in fact, that others, in the way that it is based on fact. Why would evolution not be concidered a science?

[grammawhamma]

singingrick: What would Jesus do?? Would Jesus report crzmeat or would He handle the situation differently? Think about it. (But please don''t get the misconseption that I think you are Jesus.)

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[oscarez]

singinrick ... I think you are confusing cause and effect with intelligent design. Gravity is caused by mass the earth is the effect of gravity. Nothing supernatural about the earths formation. Its physics nothing more.

[cphine]

I am terribly disappointed, once again, in the format of the debate. The pundits clearly choose winners and losers before the first question is even asked. That is wrong.
I support Huckabee and view him as the only legitimate candidate that can bring the GOP together for a victory against Hillary. In this last debate Huckabee, Tancredo, and Hunter each got less than half the time and questions of Romney, Giuliani, and Thompson. That is wrong. Even McCain and Paul were snubbed compared to the "top three".
Here is how the format should be:
There are eight candidates on stage. Question one should begin with candidate one, and then each candidate down the line gets the same question and the same time to answer. Time should be enforced by simply turning off the microphone when the candidates time has elapsed. Question two then starts with candidate two and goes down the line, ending with candidate one. After eight questions, each candidate has now been able to answer first and last, and has each received the same amount of time. Do the math on how long the forum is to determine the length each candidate gets. Spread the word.

[sftodd]

Without the gift of the Holy Spirit living within you, you cannot understand.
Posted by singinrick at 07:46 AM : Oct 22, 2007

Some might say you live your life in total fear of dying and no longer existing; that you are so terrified and threatened by the idea that atheism is the only rationally defensible position that you absolutely deny logic as evidenced by the ignorant statement you made above. Whether you are Gandhi, Osama bin Laden or Jesus Christ, 2 + 2 still equals 4; the law of non-contradiction still holds true; and Sickrick''s "proof" of God remains contrary to logic. If you''re going to jump on the faith bandwagon, at least have the integrity to admit that you have done it, and that when it comes to matters of religion, your faith precludes you from having a rational discussion because you are a "logic" denier. Sickrick, are so arrogant and vain that you really can''t imagine a universe in which you no longer exist.

[oscarez]

"Oh and Oscarez, God doesn''''t believe in atheists, either.
Posted by singinrick at 11:09 AM : Oct 22, 2007"

I''m an Agnostic. If you can''t prove that God exists and if God does not exist then, using this logic, God can''t believe in atheists there for atheists can''t believe in God.

[hwy71so]

I didn''t get anything from Ron Paul. He seemed to get worked up and didn''t say anything, just a bunch of loud complaining.

Huckabee, I think, presented himself above the others.

[gunownerdan]

Dr. Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate who is anti-war and pro-liberty.
Plus, he''s not a member of the anti-American CFR, unlike the rest of the candidates!
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[aldee41]

The next President will be a Democrat.
Chose wisely. Chose Richardson.

[drummer94]

"....let the Midnight Special, shine it''s ever-lovin'' light on you." Sheesh. Give it a rest already.

[blahblahbla5]

Total disregard for Ron Paul, as usual. The MSM is missing out on the biggest story never told. A grassroots effort by the downtrodden masses to seize power back from an oppressive regime...this is right up their alley when it happens overseas. Funny how the same story gets buried here at home. They must think they have something to lose if Thomas Jefferson gets re-elected. They''re wrong: Ron Paul will kill the FCC and free the MSM to excercise their rights again. Ah well, corporate funding trumps liberty I guess. Enjoy the gulag; journalists are always the first to disappear.