WASHINGTON, Oct. 21, 2007

Romney: I'm The Consistent Conservative

Former Massachusetts Governor Says He Has Steady Republican Credentials

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(CBS)  Despite his Mormon faith and the evolution in his position on abortion rights, Mitt Romney insists that he is a consistent conservative and the best choice for Republican voters.

The former Massachusetts governor, who on Saturday won a straw poll of evangelicals at the Values Voter Summit, gave an exclusive interview to Face The Nation Friday night.

"I believe in the principles of my party," Romney told Bob Schieffer. "And I believe that the only way that we're going to take the White House is not by acting like Hillary Clinton, but by holding true to the principles of our party, which is a coalition of social, economic and foreign policy conservatives."

Others in the Republican field, however, have questioned Romney's positions on abortion rights, immigration and gun control. They accuse Romney of running as a conservative in this election but taking more liberal stances in his campaigns for governor and for the U.S. Senate.

"It's not just the abortion issue, although he certainly was passionate in his advocacy for being pro-choice," Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, said last week on Face The Nation. "I mean, look at literally every major issue. Whether it be immigration reform or taxes or immigration or any other issue, there has been changes in his position."

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"Obviously, my position did change with regards to life," Romney said in response. "But on other issues, my positions have been very consistent with my principles and my views."

He pointed to what he saw as the evolving positions McCain has taken on abortion rights and immigration.

Romney said, "I'd note that as I look at the other candidates who are running for president, over time they look at specific areas and say, 'gosh, I was wrong on this. That needs to be adjusted'."

But Romney's critics point his politics in Massachusetts as evidence that he is not as true to the GOP as he is trying to make himself out to be. In 1992, Romney, then registered as an Independent, voted for Democrat Paul Tsongas in the presidential primary. He said Sunday that his vote was a political move meant to undercut the stronger Democrat.

"When there's no contest of significance on the Republican side, when you register as an Independent, you can vote in the Democratic primary and vote against Bill Clinton," Romney said. "I used to vote against Ted Kennedy, all right? So that's something that you get to do."

Romney's critics also look to his unsuccessful 1994 Senate race against Kennedy for more proof that Romney has not always been faithful to the party.

Schieffer pointed out that during that race Romney turned away from the Republican patriarch President Ronald Reagan, saying, "I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush."

"There's no question that the older I get, the smarter Ronald Reagan gets," Romney said. "When I was running in '94, I wasn't trying to return to Reagan-Bush, because that was characterized as a very different posture than what I was running for. I was talking about my own vision. I wasn't trying to be a copy of anybody else."

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If I'm president of the United States and put my hand on the Bible, I do what the Constitution tells me, what the rule of law tells me. I certainly don't do what leader of my church or any other tells me to do.

Mitt Romney
Romney's promise in that 1994 campaign to be a stronger advocate for gay rights than Kennedy has also rankled social conservatives who want a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage.

"For some voters, it might be enough to simply match my opponent’s record in this area,” he wrote in a 1994 letter to the Log Cabin Club of Massachusetts. "But I believe we can and must do better. If we are to achieve the goals we share, we must make equality for gays and lesbians a mainstream concern. My opponent cannot do this. I can and will."

"I also told gays in 1994 that I opposed gay marriage and civil union, because gay rights didn't include - at that time, people weren't talking about gay marriage and civil unions - so I've always opposed gay marriage," Romney told Schieffer. "But at the same time, I don't discriminate against people. I don't discriminate against gay people."

Romney said he has been a "strong advocate" for an amendment that defines marriage as a relationship between a man and a woman.

Religion is another issue that could be an obstacle in Romney's run for the White House. Evangelical Christians, like those who gathered at this weekend's Values Voters Summit, are a major force in the Republican Party, and Romney is a Mormon.

"I'm not going to try and distance myself in any way, shape or form from my faith. It was the faith of my fathers, of my sons, a long tradition in my family," he said. "I'm, as I say, true blue through and through. And so I accept the teachings of our church, and I do my best to live by those teachings."

Romney did not answer specific questions about Mormonism, saying the church would be better at answering them, but he pointed out its similarities with Christianity and Judaism.

"What I can tell you is that the values of my faith are founded on Judeo-Christian principles, and the same kind of philosophy that's associated with other Christian faiths and the Jewish faith and others is very much consistent with ours," Romney said.

Echoing John F. Kennedy, who in 1960 explained how his Catholic faith would impact his presidency, Romney said that his allegiance was to the Unite States, rather than to his church.

"If I'm president of the United States and put my hand on the Bible, I do what the Constitution tells me, what the rule of law tells me," Romney said. "I certainly don't do what leader of my church or any other tells me to do."

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by ubrew12 October 21, 2007 1:11 PM PDT
"I''m the consistent conservative" said this former liberal democrat from Massachusetts
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by mcvett October 21, 2007 1:12 PM PDT
I like Romney''s ad in South Carolina when he says:

"When Republicans start acting like Democrats,
the whole country loses."

So True

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by condumism October 21, 2007 1:21 PM PDT
Ever done business with a GOP Mormon or a Neocon? Both have the character of a used car salesman, tell ya anything that they think you want to hear to make the sale. My advise, never do business with a GOP Mormon or a neocon. Their used car salesmen personalities are very evident, you wont even have to ask if you are dealing with either a GOP Mormon, or a Neocon, Simply walk away, or youll regret it.
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by sftodd October 21, 2007 1:29 PM PDT
I love all the Hillary bashing on the right. They don''t even know why they hate her; they just think they can rack up votes by bashing her. Thank God the GOP is a dying cockroach on its back engaged in a vain struggle to right itself. The rest of the country is ready to move on to real government, by the people for the people!
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by gkc99 October 21, 2007 1:38 PM PDT
""When Republicans start acting like Democrats,
the whole country loses."
--Posted by MCVett


Pretty funny how this neocon shill posing with a false name to create confusion for the real "McVet" who posts on CBS so unwittingly tells the truth--he just doesn''t tell it all. When Republicans act like Republicans, at least the kind we''ve had for the last 25 years, the country is already lost to the neofascists.

And why don''t you pick an original name, shill?
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by glossypan October 21, 2007 1:41 PM PDT
%u201CMitt Romney%u2019s record on gun rights and the Second Amendment is consistent in one thing: pandering and political posturing. He has opposed and supported the NRA as the political climate dictated,%u201D said John Rankin, Iowa communications director. %u201CThe most glaring aspect of his record is that a lifelong hunter%u2019 like Romney became a member of the NRA at age 59, just six months before announcing his candidacy for President of the United States.%u201D

The most interesting thing about this statement is that it is from the Daily Brownbacker, one of Sam Brownback''s still operable blogs. Many of Romney''s anti-gun comments are posted there. Sam may not be the brightest bulb in the package, but he is consistent and principled.
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by myidoncbs October 21, 2007 1:54 PM PDT
Romney says, "I''m The Consistent Conservative"

That''s a joke, right? Romney is a BIG flip-flopper.

Plus, how conservative is it, really, to believe that he will become a God in the next life, if he''s a good little mormon in this one? How "Christian" is it to believe that God had a wife, that he (Elohim) is the Father of Jehovah (the Christian and Jewish God) and of Satan and Jesus. How "Christian" is it to believe that God had *** with the no-longer-a-virgin Mary? How American is it to believe that all dark-skinned people are so marked by God because they are of Satan''s race and are "unfit to enter the LDS temple"?

Mutt Romney: No Thanks!
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by engrob54 October 21, 2007 1:55 PM PDT
Romney''s Christian conservative values are real. Look at the number of candidates that have been married to several different women! They can''t be true to just one woman - can they be true to you and America? Romney is the only GOP candidate that represents the values that we all admire and work for. Huckabee does not have the broad financial support to win in ''08 but would be a wonderful vice-president.
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by glossypan October 21, 2007 2:01 PM PDT
Thursday, August 23, 2007; Page A01 Washington Post

"Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney said this week that as president he would allow individual states to keep abortion legal, two weeks after telling a national television audience that he supports a constitutional amendment to ban the procedure nationwide."

A well documented easy to Google up article detailing Whirling Mitt''s (too many changes to be characterized as Flip Flop Mitt) multitude of stances on abortion.
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by incog-nito October 21, 2007 2:14 PM PDT
McCain: "No. I''m the real conservative."
Giuliani: "No. Me."
Thompson: "No. I''m more conservative than all of you."

And so it goes.
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by chucktruck2 October 21, 2007 2:27 PM PDT
Christ''s grand mother was the virgin... that is why Mary is Holy. Christ had a step father... Joseph. A person''s faith is to be honored . A bigot will all ways find fault in others . Be brave state your faith and your vote or are you just a hit and spin. Yes I was joking about Granny... however God begot Jesus... "Evangelicals for Mitt " ... GO...MITT...
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by afmca October 21, 2007 2:30 PM PDT
When you see all the Repub candidates on their knees kissing the arses of the value voter all I see is a country being wrecked by men so hungry for power that they would destroy the Constitution to get there. I see no difference between the leaders of the value voter and the leaders of the Taliban.
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by chucktruck2 October 21, 2007 2:34 PM PDT
The laws concerning Abortion on the federal and state levels are different. Mitt understands this ... Myself I am for PRO DEATH ...up till the age of 3 years old ...I may not like it.... What do you support ?
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by siete-pesos October 21, 2007 2:50 PM PDT
bush loving slave state south...

land of rednecks, war makers, bible thumpers, flag wavers, republican snakes and christian creeps.

ha,ha,ha.

what a bunch of creeps those southerners are.

war, hate, christian creeps, republican snakes...

nothing good comes out of the south.
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by bdrlnt4rl October 21, 2007 3:00 PM PDT
soldat44

all you people like this are idiots, the little I know about Mormons is that they love their county because they believe it was formed divinly by God and they will do everything to honour and protect this country and the reasons our fore fathers founded it.

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by bdrlnt4rl October 21, 2007 3:04 PM PDT
MyIDonCBS

speak some more and show everyone how ignorant you really are. you have no clue to what you are talking about.
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by bdrlnt4rl October 21, 2007 3:07 PM PDT
and yes, Mitt stands for what America was built on, freedom of Religion, high standards, strong values. After all, all of the other countries trust Mormons because they are honest and have strong values and are quick to help in the time of need.

Mormons are great with foriegn relations. They love them because they can trust them.
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by jsilver2th October 21, 2007 3:22 PM PDT
I always love to check in on Mitt daily to see what his views are today... never can tell...

Say why does he refuse to release in income tax returns and why does he say that Scientology novel is his favorite book anyway?
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by condumism October 21, 2007 3:34 PM PDT
Mitts much-vaunted "business experience" amounts to being provided with capital by his rich, politically connected father and family, and not managing to lose it. Well thats a step better than Bushit anyway, who got the same handout from a rich, politcally connected family, but blew it all. But its not exactly a rags to riches story--more like "Rich boy does good."

And he managed to avoid the troubles of the Vietnam war when his daddy, a Mormon big cheese, certified boy Mitt as a "preacher man" because he was handing out the usual Mormon crock door to door. This was Mitts service to his country during the draft prone Vietnam affair!

Now Mitts 4 sons are helping his fathers presidential bid. Mitt recently touted this as his sons service to their country to get him elected, similar to US soldiers serving in Iraq. Seems to me we are dealing with a Mormon family of cowards, swindlers, and used car salesmen.
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by likeitis5050 October 21, 2007 3:45 PM PDT
Anyone who bases a vote just on religion, especially after the last 2 terms, is stupid. There isn''t a candidate from either party who meets every single criteria for ''perfect party profile''. Allowing for personal growth that constitutes a change in position on a issue, consistency should tell a story. I don''t hold it against a candidate for moving from pro-life to pro-abortion if the change is due to personal conviction and not just to win votes. I''m more interested in the ''history'' of their political career with regards to doing what is right by everyone they represented, and not just to those who helped win an election. No one has the corner on ''family values'' and shouting down another candidate because they don''t share comparable family values is self-serving and self-righteous, in my opinion.

It''s still a year out, with primaries still to come. I am watching and listening, and researching what candidates claim to have done. I am weighing the cost of implementing some ''ideas'' against what I feel is worth the expense to me...because all ideas come with a price tag and those costs will hit me first, not the poor and not the wealthy. I have nothing against people being wealthy and welcome the growth, but I don''t want to be the only one carrying the illegals and poor on my back.
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by antoniof123 October 21, 2007 3:46 PM PDT
Another neocon who says trust me, I am feed up with the facist right wing we have had enough. The trouble with facism is they just don''t know when to leave they must be chased out by a screaming mob.
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by sonotso October 21, 2007 3:49 PM PDT


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by erichsh October 21, 2007 3:50 PM PDT
Why would Massachusetts, the most liberal state, ever elect a conservative governor in the first place? Maybe it''s reflective of the hypocritical liberal mindset: Send a Kennedy to Washington to stuff liberal policies down the throat of the rest of the nation, but appoint a conservative to run MY state and keep MY taxes lower.
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by condumism October 21, 2007 3:55 PM PDT
From the Boston Globe.

Romney vetod a lot of bills just for show, said Richard Tisei (R-Lynnfield), the Mass. Senate minority leader, who is supporting Rudy Giuliani for president. About 90 percent of Romneys vetos were overidden. He never tried to solicit support to sustain them; never talked to our legislative leadership or the Republican rank and file (sound familiar?) Its true as far as it goes - which isnt very far. Almost all those vetoes were overridden by the Legislature and became law. Which makes Mitt not a St. George slaying big-bucks dragons, but an overmatched used car salesman.

If Romney had really cared, he could have gathered the GOPs waning members in one big conference room and at least fought to uphold some of his vetoes. But, Tisei said, I cant remember one time he asked for our support. Which may explain why Romney suffered so many embarrassing shutouts when not a single legislator in one (often both) of the chambers backed him. The House journal9s report last year on 286 appropriations vetoes between July 19 and July 31 shows Romneys utter lack of influence.

All 286 line item vetoes were rejected, most of them by overwhelming margins from both parties. He was overridden unanimously 99 times, getting a goose egg from both House and Senate 32 times, blanked by the Senate another 42 times and shut out by the House 25 times.
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by sftodd October 21, 2007 3:56 PM PDT
I''''d vote for Romney for the simple fact that anyone is better in office than a liberal socialist.
Posted by singinrick at 03:12 PM : Oct 21, 2007

Rick, why do you care? Aren''t you going to be raptured out of here soon? I''m counting the minutes.
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by Ed0719 October 21, 2007 4:04 PM PDT
Romney is now using the typical Rovian tactic of repeating a lie enough times and dumb people will believe it to be true. And you can''t get much dumber than the right-wing christians in this country.
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by jsilver2th October 21, 2007 4:04 PM PDT
Posted by erichsh: "Why would Massachusetts, the most liberal state, ever elect a conservative governor in the first place?"

That''s simple and there''s no anti-liberal jab in there- unless you want accuse them of bad judgment...

Romney campaigned and governed as a Liberal....

Now the Romney camp wants to spin this and say see he''s electable- he got elected in a blue state...

Problem is now the cat is out of the bag... sorry boys...



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by tnt1954 October 21, 2007 4:08 PM PDT
romney has the patience of Job. in the bible
in the book of Job, things go from bad to worse.
at one time, he had zillions of wives, kids, flocks,
goldmines, emeralds, rubies, everything he could
possibly imagine. then God enlists the aid of
the Lucifer, Morning Star to test his faith.
one by one, it all goes south. and all he''s
left with is a cottonmouth and a pink bra.
not even a job. he hunts for years up and down
everywhere and nobody wants him. and famine
has hit the land, but he stumbles across the gold
plates. hits upon a plan, and soon his inventory
increases miraculously according to a marvelous
work and a wonder. like our time right now.
and the mormons will feed us all? i hope.
yea, even the apache. zion national park, is
our zionist paradise, of the u.s.a. i was there
as a kid, and the river suddenly went into
flashflood. boy we were lucky. coulda been
curtains right there. i returned soon after
9/11/01 to join the mormon militia. but i had
to return to southern california, because i
had stolen my dad''s car to go there. and do
3 years at his house for auto theft. and ya
think parents can''t enforce the Law? teleology.
means to the end were illegal.
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by cdfoxtrot October 21, 2007 4:28 PM PDT
When he was running for governor of Massachusetts, didn''t he state on camera that he wasn''t opposed to abortion rights? Aside from Bill''s BJ''s, isn''t this the other issue that has the Chisto-fascists, I mean conservatives, frothing at the mouth? Sounds like a flip-flopper to me.
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by alphaa10-2009 October 21, 2007 4:31 PM PDT
CBS reports, "I believe in the principles of my party," Romney told Bob Schieffer. "And I believe that the only way that we''re going to take the White House is not by acting like Hillary Clinton..."
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What GOP principles? As Bush enters his final year in office, GOP candidates are fractured along many lines. Choose your candidate, and guess his principles, in a spectrum ranging from Giuliani to Thompson. All they want is your vote, so don''t ask any questions and move along, please.

Their only recent point of convergence is rabid fear of exposure on the Tavis Smiley-moderated debate on race and other minority issues. All candidates from the GOP spontaneously canceled due to "schedule conflicts"...

Paradoxically, Romney is noted for the damning similarities his healthcare plan does bear to Clinton''s. Only last year, back in Massachusetts, Romney introduced a mandatory, government-subsidized, near-universal-coverage health plan-- in some respects, anticipating Clinton''s approach.

Dismissing the comparison, Romney remains eager to win the nomination, no matter what he must disavow. Julian Zelizer of Princeton warns, however, Romney must realize the difference between what may work at the Minneapolis convention, and what will actually win in 2008 with the American public.

"He has to be careful not to distance himself too much from his own accomplishments," he said.
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by myidoncbs October 21, 2007 4:32 PM PDT
some ig/no/rant fo/ol said, "the little I know about Mormons is that they love their county because they believe it was formed divinly by God and they will do everything to honour and protect this country and the reasons our fore fathers founded it."

You need to learn a bit more about the Mormons. They DECLARED WAR on the United States of America in the 1800''s!!! Their sacred prophet said the goal of the LDS church was to take over the government of the USA, and to rule the world. Swearing vengeance against the USA even used to be part of the secret temple rituals!

Mutt Romney, NO Thanks!!!
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by myidoncbs October 21, 2007 4:35 PM PDT
bdrlnt4rl claims I don''t know what I''m talking about. That is not true. I can provide sources to support every single thing I have said about Mormons and the LDS church. But there''s no need. YOU can look it all up on the internet if you want to learn the truth. But you don''t. You LIKE your self-imposed ignorance. It lets you continue to believe what you know is not true.
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by l8c6 October 21, 2007 4:37 PM PDT
Another neocon who says trust me, I am feed up with the facist right wing we have had enough. The trouble with facism is they just don''''t know when to leave they must be chased out by a screaming mob.

Posted by antoniof123


yeah, and enough of people so terribly disconnected from the lives of most americans they don''t know what the f*uck a grocery store scanner is. How many are fools enough to think that these are people hassled in the same manner as the masses when using air travel. When Blackwater starts running the check points how many are fool enough to think the neo con party elites won''t have special clearance.
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by alphaa10-2009 October 21, 2007 4:47 PM PDT
erichsh said, "Why would Massachusetts, the most liberal state, ever elect a conservative governor... maybe it''''s reflective of the hypocritical liberal mindset: Send a Kennedy to Washington to stuff liberal policies down the throat of the rest of the nation, but appoint a conservative to run MY state and keep MY taxes lower..."
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Or, perhaps it is telling commentary on how Romney sold himself, in order to win Massachusetts.

More to the point, slogans may be conforting to Bushbots, but you didn''t stop to read the rest of the story. Massachusetts healthcare expenses actually rose after the Romney-supported plan was enacted.

Asked about the possibility of such a rise in state expenditures, Romney said his critics could be right, but rising expenditures, short-term, may very well be offset to a surplus by preventive healthcare measures.

No supporter of Romney, I must give him credit where he appears correct. Most in the medical / healthcare policy sector acknowledge prevention is better (and cheaper) than cure. Reactive policy is almost always more expensive.
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by proshutterbu October 21, 2007 4:48 PM PDT
ConDumism how about some specific examples? Granted, in every religion, there are imperfect members, after all, isn''t religion for those who need improvement? However, I see no credibility in someone making a broad based statement, with no supporting evidence.

As far as Romney changing his views, isn''t that what this country is all about, the personal right to have our own opinion, and when shown a better idea, to adopt that idea instead? Each day, as we become more educated, we see things differently.
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by stezzer October 21, 2007 4:54 PM PDT
I''m English, so feel free to tell me to mind my own business. But I must say, as a foreigner, Mr. Romney certainly looks and sounds like a president.

I know he seems to change his mind as often as his socks, but at least he isn''t entrenched in his own views. He''s prepared to listen to people and is open about altering his opinion. Isn''t that a good thing?

Anyway, like I said, you can tell me to mind my own business.
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by alphaa10-2009 October 21, 2007 4:56 PM PDT
Lars008, where are you when we need you? Here''s another cause for your jihad project! A CBS poster notes the Mormon church (aka LDS) is not what it seems...

"You need to learn a bit more about the Mormons. They DECLARED WAR on the United States of America in the 1800''''s!!! Their sacred prophet said the goal of the LDS church was to take over the government of the USA, and to rule the world. Swearing vengeance against the USA even used to be part of the secret temple rituals!..."
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Now, Lars, let your excitement subside, and think through this carefully. Note, please, LDS never signed a formal peace treaty with the government of the United States. Technically, that means all Mormons in "good standing" are sworn enemies of this country!
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by radiob-2009 October 21, 2007 5:03 PM PDT
Oct.3, 2007
Dogpile Gazette






Dogpile Missouri: We caught up with Drew our hometown champion on the steps of the state capital yesterday and inquired to his campaign for president. He stated that all was going well and that momentum was gathering in his favor. When pressed on issues such as Iraq he replied that he had a concrete plan to end the war inside of six months of his presidency. Asked about the immigration issue he again reiterated that he had the only viable plan. Asked about his plan and details of Drew was quick to respond to our questions with great insight and knowledge of the subject. He spoke fluently to the mixed audience outside the steps of the capitol, which was followed by applause. He promised his plan would indeed provide better security at home and abroad. He then went on to state that he would not only finish the war in Iraq inside of six months but he would also put an end to the war on terror bringing it also to a end inside of two years. Dogpile residents and America will indeed be watching this candiate.


The only candiate not wearing a "poodle skirt".
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by alphaa10-2009 October 21, 2007 5:08 PM PDT
Stezzer said, ..."But I must say, as a (English) foreigner, Mr. Romney certainly looks and sounds like a president."
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Precisely the point, Stezzer. To central casting, anyone off the street has a chance at a starring role. The question, is there any competence lurking behind the mask?

To most aliens, Bush himself initially seemed "presidential"-- but boy, were they surprised later to find this Tejas country boy (ska aspiring redneck) mouthing the latest neocon slogans he had been sold.
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by cassandragop October 21, 2007 5:18 PM PDT
Candidate Romney: "I am a consistent conservative."
Nominee Romney: "I am a true centrist."
Double your money back guarantee that he will emphasize his moderation if nominated.
He has governed as a Clinton style business friendly liberal.
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by cfin5 October 21, 2007 5:29 PM PDT
MyIDonCBS,......You are correct that Mormonism according to the Bible is a false gospel. The Apostle Paul warned the church in Galatia of a curse on those changing what had already been preached to them. I will insert an example in parenthesis to make my point......Galatians 1: 6-9,...6- I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7- Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8- But though we, or an angel ( MORONI ) from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9- As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed........This so called angel named "Moroni" is the one who deceived Joseph Smith unto another gospel. They are in no way "Christians". They are "Mormons" by their own beliefs of their own creation.
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by macusweil October 21, 2007 5:32 PM PDT
The only thing consistent about Mitt is his ability to change positions on the issues. Stop the waste in Iraq, end the GOP''s free spending habits that have ballooned our deficit 56% in six and half years.

Vote Ron Paul ''the last true Republican'' for 2008.
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by stezzer October 21, 2007 5:34 PM PDT
alphaa10

Yes, I see your point. However, in England, our politicians are so wishy washy and bland (almost ashamed of being British) that someone like Mr. Romney seems very strong and patriotic. It''s very admirable.

I just can''t help wishing we had a chap like this to vote for.
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by radiob-2009 October 21, 2007 5:38 PM PDT
Stezzer it is one thing to moderate one''s position, it is another to totally change one''s position. That is known as flip flopping and every candiate running has done it.
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by akoeppen October 21, 2007 5:44 PM PDT
Actually, Mormons are among the most patriotic Christian faiths in America. One of the most basic and sacred principles of the LDS "Mormon" church reads, "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law."

The Church, in one of it most oppressive times in history, put together a battallion when called upon by the US government. Numerous men left their families vulnerable to the elements to go and serve their country. Today, there are numerous military leaders and soldiers that are LDS, including my late grandfather who faught in WWII and the Korean War. The LDS Church is the epidemy of patriotism.
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by jn122736 October 21, 2007 5:45 PM PDT
As far as Romney changing his views, isn''''t that what this country is all about, the personal right to have our own opinion, and when shown a better idea, to adopt that idea instead? Each day, as we become more educated, we see things differently.
Posted by proshutterbu at 04:48 PM : Oct 21, 2007
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According to many reports and articles I have read about Romney, he has changed his standing on far too many issues (which obviously improve his chances to achieve the office he is pursuing at the time), to be simple re-enlightenment.

If He is/has changed his PUBLIC opinion just for political purposes it casts a large shadow over his honesty and character.
Even giving Romney the benefit of the doubt, his being wrong on so many things in so short a time doesn%u2019t bode well for having him as president of the United States.

Haven%u2019t we been through enough of that lately?
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by moxford0 October 21, 2007 5:49 PM PDT
Sh.. is a word that rhymes with Mitt.
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by stezzer October 21, 2007 5:55 PM PDT
Hello radiob, I hope you are well.

Yes I suppose you''re right. I just can''t help liking Mr. Romney.

However, I''m certainly no expert. I''m only basing my opinions on what the man has said and done. I just think changing one''s mind shouldn''t be a problem. Don''t we all change our opinions as we get older?
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by jowand October 21, 2007 6:02 PM PDT
Today, there are numerous military leaders and soldiers that are LDS, including my late grandfather who faught in WWII and the Korean War. The LDS Church is the epidemy of patriotism.

Posted by akoeppen at 05:44 PM : Oct 21, 2007

Don''t ferget the waggon train massacre and bigomy while you''re sounding off.
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by jowand October 21, 2007 6:03 PM PDT
However, I''''m certainly no expert. I''''m only basing my opinions on what the man has said and done. I just think changing one''''s mind shouldn''''t be a problem. Don''''t we all change our opinions as we get older?


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Posted by Stezzer at 05:55 PM : Oct 21, 2007

Churchill switched political parties
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