Troops: Blackwater Shooting "Criminal"

First U.S. Troops On Scene Found No Evidence Iraqis Fired On Guards, Report Says

(CBS/AP)  The first U.S. soldiers to arrive on the scene after Blackwater USA guards shot and killed 17 Iraqi civilians at a Baghdad intersection on Sept. 16, found no evidence that the Iraqis fired any weapons at the guards, the Washington Post reported Friday.

A report compiled by the soldiers concluded that there was "no enemy activity involved" and called the incident a "criminal event," the Post reports.

"It appeared to me they were fleeing the scene when they were engaged," said Lt. Col. Mike Tarsa, whose soldiers arrived at the scene 20 to 25 minutes after the shootings ended. "It had every indication of an excessive shooting."

The soldiers' conclusions - based upon their own observations, eyewitness interviews and discussions with Iraq police - are similar to those reached by the Iraqi government and contradict Blackwater's contention that its guards acted in self-defense after being shot at by the Iraqis.

"I did not see anything that indicated they were fired upon," said Tarsa, commander of the 3rd Battalion, 82nd Field Artillery Regiment of the 2nd Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division.

He also said several Iraqi drivers had apparently made U-turns and were heading away from the intersection when their cars were hit by gunfire from the Blackwater guards.

On Thursday, families of the Iraqis killed in the shooting filed suit against Blackwater in a U.S. court, saying the firm violated American law and fostered a culture of lawlessness among its employees.

The suit in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., said the contractor has been paid more than $1 by the U.S. government since 2001 and that the company violated U.S. laws in the Sept. 16 killings.

"Blackwater has turned recklessness into profit at the expense of the lives of innocent civilians," said Vincent Warren, executive director of the Center for Constitutional Rights, which brought the suit. Warren made the comments in a brief interview after the suit was filed.

Blackwater spokeswoman Anne Tyrrell said the company was aware of the lawsuit. "Because it is a matter currently under investigation by the FBI, we will refrain from commenting on the specifics of the case other than to say that the company will defend itself vigorously," she said.

In other developments:

The U.S. military said it was working with local Iraqi officials and tribal officials to investigate the killings of 15 civilians - six women and nine children - as well as 19 suspected insurgents Thursday in a U.S. ground and air assault targeting al Qaeda in Iraq northwest of Baghdad.

A parked car bomb went off near a police patrol Friday afternoon in a central Baghdad shopping district, killing four people, including two policemen, as Iraq's Sunnis began marking the Eid al-Fitr holiday that ends the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.

In the northern Iraqi city of Tuz Khormato, a bomb planted among toys in a cart left near a children's playground killed two people, including a nine-year-old child. Seventeen others, including five children, were wounded. A police official said the owner of the cart has been arrested.

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Friday that Turkey would not be deterred by the possible consequences of invading Iraq if it decides to stage a cross-border offensive against Kurdish rebels. A Turkish soldier was killed by a mine Thursday night on Mt. Gabar in southeastern Sirnak province, where 13 soldiers have been ambushed and killed over the past week, local authorities said.

The Associated Press reports that the Pentagon has paid more than $100 million in bonuses to veteran Green Berets and Navy SEALs, reversing the flow of top commandos to the corporate world where security companies such as Blackwater USA are offering big salaries.

The FBI arrived in Baghdad a week ago to investigate the Sept. 16 shootings, taking over a State Department investigation and raising the prospect that it could be referred to the Justice Department for prosecution.

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It had every indication of an excessive shooting.

Lt. Col. Mike Tarsa

Blackwater protects U.S. diplomats as they move about on Baghdad's dangerous streets. An Iraqi investigation into the killings recommended that the State Department sever all contracts for the company's operations in Iraq within six months.

Blackwater should be liable for claims of assault and battery, wrongful death, intentional and negligent infliction of emotional distress, and negligent hiring, training and supervision, the lawsuit says.

The plaintiffs in the case are an injured survivor and three familes of men who died in the incident.

The United States has not made conclusive findings about the shooting, though there are multiple investigations under way and Congress has opened inquiries into the role of private security contractors.

The Iraqi government report said its courts were the proper venue in which to bring charges.

Iraqi officials say Blackwater's license to operate in Iraq expired on June 2, 2006, meaning it had no immunity from prosecution under Iraqi laws set down after the fall of Saddam Hussein in 2003.

The State Department has counted 56 shooting incidents involving Blackwater guards in Iraq this year. All were being reviewed as part of the comprehensive inquiry ordered by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.


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by caribel-2009 October 12, 2007 10:22 AM PDT

Now watch what happens. Condy calls for an investigation. The investigation is bought and paid for, and the conclusion was that no wrong was committed. Are you as tired as me of the inside investigations leading nowhere, the changing of policy by the administration to suit their needs, etc.? It is just like former President Carter called it yesterday when he said Bush has changed the definition of torture so the torture he prescribes is legal. What a crock on the American people! Are we so stupid that we cannot see what this is all about?

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by vet999999 October 12, 2007 10:55 AM PDT

Turkey Recalls Diplomat Over Genocide Vote

This is non bias, you can comment on Blackwater but not the fact that the democrates have just blown international realtions with Turkey.....this is great...

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by pastdue1 October 12, 2007 11:03 AM PDT

CNN - Fifteen Iraqi civilians -- all women and children -- were killed by coalition forces during an operation targeting senior leaders of al Qaeda in Iraq, according to the U.S. military, which claimed the victims were put in harm''s way through the actions of the terrorist group."

Like the US association with the Blackwater heritage in Iraq, this is just another example of the waste in this so-called "War on Terror", the greatest misnomer of this catastrophe. It is nothing more than a War of Terror. Explaining that al Qaeda was to blame does not mitigate the killing of the non combatents, nor does it wash away the shame associated with it. It only makes it appear that our military is callous and to ready to pass the buck.

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by toshi43 October 12, 2007 11:28 AM PDT

I wonder what the reaction would be if those 17 civilians murdered by mercenaries had been American instead of Iraqi. The the cow-dirt would really hit the fan, wouldn''t it?

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by ioweign October 12, 2007 11:42 AM PDT

This is non bias, you can comment on Blackwater but not the fact that the democrates have just blown international realtions with Turkey.....this is great...

Posted by vet999999 at 10:55 AM : Oct 12, 2007

They (Congress) did the right thing - next you will say the Holocaust never took place !

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by middleman8 October 12, 2007 11:46 AM PDT

ITS TIME FOR US TROOPS TO MAKE A SWEPT AND CLEAN OUT THE BLACKWATER GRINGOS.

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by photogeezer October 12, 2007 12:05 PM PDT

Would someone with better graphics talents than I like a project? Tweak the Blackwater logo to show, instead of a dog''s pawprint, a pile of dog sh**.

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by signof4 October 12, 2007 12:56 PM PDT

No troop deaths or burning cars to publish, so let''s beat the Blackwater drum to death. Way to go, LAMEstream media!

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by ov442 October 12, 2007 1:06 PM PDT

"The suit in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., said the contractor has been paid more than $1 by the U.S. government since 2001 and that the company violated U.S. laws in the Sept. 16 killings."
?? paid more than $1 ... what does that have to do with their actions? if you pay a contractor more than a dollar they are now subject to a different law?

Blackwater''s contracts were all just another facet of this Bush administration paying off its large republican donors. Prince is a direct relative and consumately conservative republican donor of the DeVoss family.
That should be enough by itself.
Had they not existed and paid contractors hundreds of millions to do the same type of job we pay our troops, we''d pry have more experienced soldiers that Re-enlisted to be part of the US military again.
Besides. In my opinion, paying that much money to Ex military to do the same thing is extremely disrespectful of the existing troops.

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by ov442 October 12, 2007 1:12 PM PDT

I saw some more hippocrisy down there.
Its funny how someone who supports the GOP will Comment on, WOrry about, and complain that the "Democrats" just blew our relationship with Turkey by actually doing something Moral, while the Republicans blew our relationships with almost every nation on earth by being warmongering, angry, blinder-wearing, ear-plugged, mis-informed, agenda seeking, greedy, corrupt, and o yeah nasty people.
Wonderful how the critics of the Dems, continue to spout completely baseless, hipposcrisy to complain about.
Find something worthwhile and maybe you''ll have a point some day.

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by ivandrago October 12, 2007 1:27 PM PDT

The lesson is the good guys (i.e. us) should never use mercenaries to do the job of a soldier. A soldier''s duties shouldn''t be passed off to the private sector. Period. (period)

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by oleander8 October 12, 2007 1:34 PM PDT

"?? paid more than $1 ... what does that have to do with their actions? if you pay a contractor more than a dollar they are now subject to a different law?"

I believe that should read $1 Billion.

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by islandgal517 October 12, 2007 1:44 PM PDT

Learn your animals. It''s a bear paw, not a dog. Blackwater is a great place filled with mostly great people. You can''t be so simple minded not to realize that every company is going to have a screw up employee some way some how. You can''t blame a whole company for what one group f people MAY have done on their own with out being told. Who know''s what really happened. you would have to have been there. You can''t believe everything you read or hear in the news, it''s mostly ***. And to believe everything the Iraqi''s are saying, you know, the on''s who have killed thousand of Americans, well that''s just plain pathetic.

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by searingtruth October 12, 2007 1:58 PM PDT

Well, it''s now clear why Bush and his henchmen forced the Iraqi government to give Blackwater, and Bush''s other private SS armies, blanket immunity no matter what crimes they commit.

And it also explains why Bush demanded and got the same "laws" in America that "legalize" any atrocity Blackwater et al may commit.

If these organizations were really "good" mercenary groups with just a few bad eggs, then it wouldn''t have been foreseen that they would need absolute immunity for all crimes.

But it was, because Bush and henchmen knew exactly what they were doing, creating there own SS loyal only to them, above all law, and devoid of conscience.

Another stain of death and inhumanity upon the soul of America.
ST


"And so, just as Hitler and Stalin before them, Bush and his henchmen recruited brutal sociopaths to torture and murder, accounting only to their personal will. Lending them, wholeheartedly and enthusiastically, all necessary moral and legal blessing.

I have always been curious, and wondered, who the American people thought were torturing and murdering in our name."
SearingTruth

A Future of the Brave - www.searingtruth.com

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by terrorislam1 October 12, 2007 2:05 PM PDT

soldiers arrived at the scene 20 to 25 minutes after the shootings ended.

hahaha

some eye witness lol

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by terrorislam1 October 12, 2007 2:20 PM PDT

DEMONIC-RATS LEAD THE CHORUS OF USEFUL IDIOTS

The Islamic Society of Boston & the Politicians'' Red Faces
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/115

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by mcvet October 12, 2007 2:25 PM PDT

soldiers arrived at the scene 20 to 25 minutes after the shootings ended.

hahaha

some eye witness lol


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Posted by terrorislam1 at 02:05 PM : Oct 12, 2007
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So you are saying our troops are lying? Why would they? Sieg Heil Bush!!

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by mcvet October 12, 2007 2:30 PM PDT

Learn your animals. It''''s a bear paw, not a dog. Blackwater is a great place filled with mostly great people. You can''''t be so simple minded not to realize that every company is going to have a screw up employee some way some how. You can''''t blame a whole company for what one group f people MAY have done on their own with out being told. Who know''''s what really happened. you would have to have been there. You can''''t believe everything you read or hear in the news, it''''s mostly ***. And to believe everything the Iraqi''''s are saying, you know, the on''''s who have killed thousand of Americans, well that''''s just plain pathetic.


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Posted by IslandGal517 at 01:44 PM : Oct 12, 2007
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Is there anything worse than a Fascist? They Blame or find Excuses for everything the Fuhrer does. Obviously you haven''t been following the story because this is just the LAST of MANY such incidents with Blackwater. Why shouldn''t the Company who hires this SLIME and they are SLIME and every Vet knows it. These people are HIRED KILLERS, that''s what they are paid to do and thats what they do. Stop being a bootlicker for the most corrupt Administration and worst people on this planet. Sieg Heil Bush!!

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by October 12, 2007 2:35 PM PDT

The suit in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., said the contractor has been paid more than $1 by the U.S. government since 2001 and that the company violated U.S. laws in the Sept. 16 killings


I''m guess the one dollar was a misprint? LOL!!!

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by jowand October 12, 2007 2:35 PM PDT

soldiers arrived at the scene 20 to 25 minutes after the shootings ended.

hahaha

some eye witness lol


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Posted by terrorislam1 at 02:05 PM : Oct 12, 2007
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So you are saying our troops are lying? Why would they? Sieg Heil Bush!!


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Posted by MCVet at 02:25 PM : Oct 12, 2007

Your good buddy Jack LA Murtha said our troops are liars, what about Haditha?

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by jowand October 12, 2007 2:38 PM PDT

Stop being a bootlicker for the most corrupt Administration and worst people on this planet. Sieg Heil Bush!!


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Posted by MCVet at 02:30 PM : Oct 12, 2007

Sorry most corrupt administration was the Clintons, most convictions.

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by j-whitman October 12, 2007 2:50 PM PDT

jowand,,,,, If you haven''t noticed Bush/Cheney concept of private contracted mercinaries has embarrassed our nation ---- Even in Afaganistan they''ve caused terrible problems --------- BUSH HAS FAILED OUR NATION

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by cbs_oliver October 12, 2007 3:06 PM PDT

Some US intelligence officers have estimated that there may be 800 to 1000 or so insurgents in or closely affiliated with al Qaeda in Iraq.

We must be killing them and then moving them and proping them up with sticks and killing then again and again and again.

Hereee they go again with the al Qaeda thing!

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by starleo146 October 12, 2007 3:23 PM PDT

jowand,,,,, If you haven''''t noticed Bush/Cheney concept of private contracted mercinaries has embarrassed our nation ---- Even in Afaganistan they''''ve caused terrible problems --------- BUSH HAS FAILED OUR NATION

Posted by j-whitman at 02:50 PM : Oct 12, 200

J, You are right it is a disgrace how this goes on and on and no signs of stopping. Lets say it again BUSH HAS FAILED OUR NATION.

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by terrorislam1 October 12, 2007 3:28 PM PDT

terrorislam and the nazis

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=banna+nazi

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by alphaa10-2009 October 12, 2007 3:47 PM PDT

terrorislam1 said, "... soldiers arrived at the scene 20 to 25 minutes after the shootings ended...hahaha ... some eye witness lol----
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Learn to read, terrorist. From the story-- "The soldiers'' conclusions - based upon their own observations, eyewitness interviews and discussions with Iraq police - are similar to those reached by the Iraqi government and contradict Blackwater''s contention that its guards acted in self-defense after being shot at by the Iraqis."

Eyewitnesses, almost by definition, are always interviewed AFTER the fact. Any interview only 20 minutes after the shooting stopped is very prompt.

The statement of these courageous US soldiers will go a long way toward convincing the world US soldiers can recognize and tell the truth-- regardless of what Bush and Cheney want them to say for the cameras.

The 1,000 active duty enlisted-- many from the Iraq theater-- who signed the Iraq protest document also have what it takes and showed their patriotism. Some of these men since have paid with their lives, following orders of the corrupt man who sometimes likes to call himself The Decider.

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by terrorislam1 October 12, 2007 3:52 PM PDT

Appeal for Redress
Sign this Appeal.
This site is an Appeal For Redress in support of our mission in Iraq.
An Appeal For Redress is an authorized means for active duty military to submit a grievance to Congress. It can be signed by Active Duty, Reserve, or National Guard military personnel.
It is authorized by DoD Directive 1325.6 and DoD Directive 7050.6.
The wording of the Appeal for Redress is:
As an American currently serving my nation in uniform, I respectfully urge my political leaders in Congress to fully support our mission in Iraq and halt any calls for retreat. I also respectfully urge my political leaders to actively oppose media efforts which embolden my enemy while demoralizing American support at home. The War in Iraq is a necessary and just effort to bring freedom to the Middle East and protect America from further attack.
If you are active duty, reservist or national guard, please Sign this Appeal.
Most service members fully support the war in Iraq and feel calls to retreat by Congress and attacks by our media on our conduct and mission act to motivate our enemy while demoralizing our support at home, directly increasing the threat we face and resulting in greater American casualties. This Appeal for Redress provides a way in which individual service members can appeal to Congress to fully support us and actively oppose media attacks on our mission and our morale.
This Appeal will be delivered to members of Congress.
http://www.appealforcourage.org/

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by marcodele October 12, 2007 3:58 PM PDT

These must be the ''phoney'' troops Rush Limbaugh identified. If they''re not marching lock step with the neocons and George W. Bush, then they must be ''phoney'' troops risking their ''phoney'' lives for our ''phoney'' freedom.

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by signof4 October 12, 2007 4:11 PM PDT

No troop deaths or burning cars to publish, so let''''s beat the Blackwater drum to death. Way to go, LAMEstream media!

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by myidoncbs October 12, 2007 4:17 PM PDT

terrorislam1, NO ONE with any intelligence is going to sign your stu-pid "appeal for redress", so QUIT POSTING IT! Your appeal is akin to a southern US slave of the 1800''s begging his "owner" with, "Pleeze, massah, beat me some mo''!" (If any offense is to be taken at this remark, please direct it towards terrorislam1. I am just characterizing HIS stu-pid appeal.)

The ONLY way to "Fully Support" the troops in Iraq is to BRING THEM HOME, OUT OF HARM''S WAY. Bush has ALREADY extended their tours of duty beyond endurance. You are one sick, evil b-st@rd to want to heap on more punishment. Maybe you''re a ***? That can''t be it, because masochists actually want to continue living, they just like to be dominated and controlled. So, you''re close to being a ***, but no cigar for you, buddy!

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by alphaa10-2009 October 12, 2007 4:28 PM PDT

terrorislam1 has posted a link to a Google search showing links between those hating Israel/Zionism and people under the sway of Hitler. His point? Al Qaeda is equivalent to Naziism and fascism.

Many of us also are aware that various MidEastern anti-Israel groups through the 20th century were enthusiastic admirers of der fuhrer, hanging Nazi poster art and handbills in the HQs.

That said, this still does not make jihadists working for restoration of the caliphate into Nazis or fascists. These are not Nazis or fascists but violent theocrats, of whom the world has seen legions-- far more than fascists of any stripe.

A theocrat is a unique species of political animal, acting out of doctrinaire (purportedly) religious considerations to create a kingdom of/for God on earth, not necessarily by his own economic interest. Zionists, for examle, are consumate theocrats. So were members of the Inquisition. Not surprisingly, the first action of the theocrat is to announce his impeccable credentials, received (more or less) directly from God.

Regarding violent jihadists, many Muslims disavow such extremists among them, but there are few outspoken Muslim critics of radical Islam. This does not imply most Muslims favor violence, but that terrorists easily intimidate those less violent.

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by condumism October 12, 2007 4:31 PM PDT

Posted by SignOf4
No troop deaths or burning cars to publish, so lets beat the Blackwater drum to death. Way to go, LAMEstream media!

Because the Fascists in the White House are not allowing any news to come out of Iraq. Guess you, as a Nazi loving jinGOPig might be happier living in Russia, where there are no minorities, and there are plenty of private security firms that run amock as well, with NO PRESS COVERAGE!

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by myidoncbs October 12, 2007 4:33 PM PDT

SignOf4 again demonstrates the utter lack of intelligence or creativity of the Bushies. He complains, "No troop deaths or burning cars to publish, so let''s beat the Blackwater drum to death. Way to go, LAMEstream media!"

There''s NOTHING lame about this story, SignOf4. Your spin can''t change that. This article adds an important component to the whole story, which is: The brave men and women who serve as US soldiers in Iraq confirm that Blackwater MURDERED these innocent people! It''s NOT just us "libs" that see Blackwater for what they are. Why can''t YOU see it, too? What has clouded your mind so much, to the point that can''t see that a bunch of lawless, paid assassins running around all over Iraq killing whomever they please is NOT the way to "secure the peace", and it doesn''t do ANY good for the US image in the eyes of the world.

Once you swallow the Bush Kool Aid, I guess all rational thought becomes impossible. That''s a POWERFUL drug you''ve been smokin'' bud!

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by terrorislam1 October 12, 2007 4:35 PM PDT

FASCIST NAZI TERRORISLAM / PERFECT EXAMPLE OF FASCISM!!!

Fascist nazi terrorislam is intent on killing or enslaving all non muslims......

Why is there no muslim country that grants equal rights to non muslim citizens???

The most notable characteristic of a fascist country is the separation and persecution or denial of equality to a specific segment of the population based upon superficial qualities or belief systems.
Simply stated, a fascist government always has one class of citizens that is considered superior (good) to another (bad) based upon race, creed or origin. It is possible to be both a republic and a fascist state. The preferred class lives in a republic while the oppressed class lives in a fascist state.
http://www.couplescompany.com/Features/Politics/Structure3.htm

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by terrorislam1 October 12, 2007 4:40 PM PDT

Posted by MyIDonCBS at 04:17 PM : Oct 12, 2007

proving once again that left wingnut liberal demonic-rats believe in freedom of speech, as long as you agree with them that is LOL

and you thought the internet had freedom of speech,,, just like in china,,, google kowtows to islam and liberals,,,

YOU HAVE BEEN GOOGLED

Google has been accused of censoring writers critical Islamic fascism such as Arlene Peck, and those critical of Liberals in general. Google refers to them as promoting "hate."
http://www.sullivan-county.com/id4/peck2b.htm

Google bans anti-MoveOn.org ads
http://www.examiner.com/a-983100~Robert_Cox__Google_bans_anti_MoveOn_org_ads.html

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by toolmangler-2009 October 12, 2007 5:14 PM PDT

Posted by alphaa10 at 04:28 PM : Oct 12, 2007


theocrat; Isn''t that what the Christian Radicals call the ''NEW'' political party they are forming??

Thanks for that one alphaa10, I love it. LOL

BTW. I am a thinking Christian, not a radical.

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by johnny_chaos October 12, 2007 5:23 PM PDT

yea, well isnt this a good way to **** away a billion dollars. fa-gg-ots, go get poked by your pastors.

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by johnny_chaos October 12, 2007 5:33 PM PDT

hey, apparently, these blackwater guys pissed themselves and started shooting everything that moved. lets just look at that fact, 1 billion for mercenarys with non-professional actions, no over sight and no judgement. every shooting incidence i''ve read that involved these guys was illegal. simplily shooting iraq drivers for sport. oh, yea, how many people got killed because four of these "contractors" got lost in fallujah? seriously support our troops, dont waste their time babysitting clowns.

if your impressed with these guys, you may want some alone time in the shower with a man.

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by terrorislam1 October 12, 2007 5:36 PM PDT

they should only use silly little whiney left wingnut liberal demonic-rats,,,

they have that special sense that can tell friend or foe,,,

let them be point man on all patrols as well

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by johnny_chaos October 12, 2007 5:40 PM PDT

terrorislam1 sure. why not? these *** werent point on anything, they were driving a convoy. heavly armed and above the law. possibly blaring macho man from the village people and smelling the man love.

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by johnny_chaos October 12, 2007 5:42 PM PDT

terrorislam1 why you so scared of a bunch of camel jockeys?

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by johnny_chaos October 12, 2007 5:48 PM PDT

Falluja = Approximately 100 American Marines were killed, and over 1,000 wounded. Another Blackwater success story.

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by johngress October 12, 2007 6:34 PM PDT

This Appeal for Redress is a means for citizens to submit a grievance to Congress. As an American, I urge my political leaders in Congress to support ending the mission in Iraq and halt calls for surges, rotations or any other terms the neocons use for escalation of hostilities. I also urge my political leaders to actively oppose the administration war efforts. The War in Iraq has brought chaos to the Middle East and ruined the good reputation of America. This war is sponsored by a small group of neocons, enlisting the help radical conservatives, media outlets and drug addicts such as Annarexia Colter, Rash Limbaugh, Unclear Channel and Faux Knews.
We know the neocon chicken hawks need this war to excite their xenophobic base. They were unwilling to serve when called upon, so they%u2019ve decided our soldiers, by proxy, can serve for them. Calls to redeploy by Congress needs to be supported. The majority supports the troops, because they are the ones putting their lives on the line. But we don%u2019t support a mission that shouldn%u2019t have gone beyond Afghanistan. The increased threat we now face is a direct result of this Administration%u2019s irrational and immoral refusal to address their mistakes. This Appeal for Redress provides for an individual%u2019s appeal to Congress to support redeployment and oppose the Administration%u2019s attacks on the constitution.
This Appeal will be implanted in Rush Limbaugh%u2019s sphincter.

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by robertkjjj October 12, 2007 6:35 PM PDT

This is amazing: month after month, year after year, thousands of innocent Iraqis are murdered by other Iraqis without so much as a peep from (1) The Iraq government (2) Liberals in the US. Not a peep. Nope. I guess it was just fine and dandy for Sunnis and Shiites and AQ and criminals to torture and slaughter thousands of civilians. Mass executions, mass kidnappings and murder. Massive truck and suicide bombs. Everyone kills everyone, but no problem! Not one liberal stepped up. Not one Iraqi government official wanted to investigate. Not one person looked for compensation. Not one indictment. Yet, let one Iraqi die at the hands of the %u201Cgood guys%u201D, the right hand man to the US military, and the liberals and the Iraqi%u2019s go berserk, demanding millions of dollars and investigations. Does not anyone else spot the hypocrisy and insanity in this? We don%u2019t need to worry about being defeated by the enemy. We are doing a great job here of defeating ourselves. Liberals: thank you for our defeat in Iraq. Thank you very much. Your treason and destruction to our military and our country will be noted for generations to come.

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by cdfoxtrot October 12, 2007 6:47 PM PDT

Google has been accused of censoring writers critical Islamic fascism such as Arlene Peck, and those critical of Liberals in general. Google refers to them as promoting "hate."
http://www.sullivan-county.com/
id4/peck2b.htm

Google bans anti-MoveOn.org ads
http://www.examiner.com/a-983100~Ro
bert_Cox__Google_bans_anti_MoveOn_org_ad
s.html

Posted by terrorislam1 at 04:40 PM : Oct 12, 2007


terrorislam1, your assertions don''t appear valid.
However, if you really want to load up on right-wing nut job hate talk, tune in to Fox News and listen to the equivalent hate radio stations. And don''t waste your time on CBS''s weeny, "liberal", lefty, commie-loving site. Have a nice daze!

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by robertkjjj October 12, 2007 7:03 PM PDT

Liberals are extraordinarily and unintentionally funny people. They have grabbed just two words, "fascist", and "neocon". They have no CLUE as to true definition or correct usage of either word. Yet, they sprinkle these into every single post and baseless accusation, as if they were Moses himself giving a speech on the mountain. If it were not so pathetic and obviously moronic, it would be humorous.

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by johngress October 12, 2007 8:38 PM PDT

Liberals: thank you for our defeat in Iraq. Thank you very much. Your treason and destruction to our military and our country will be noted for generations to come.
Posted by robertkjjj at 06:35 PM : Oct 12, 2007
If you haven%u2019t noticed, the majority of Americans are against the war. Now that could mean a couple of things:
1. If we went with your way of thinking , the majority of us are liberals and traitors.
2. I tend to believe that the majority of us are middle of the road or at least on the road, both liberals and conservatives, that are sick and tired of being lied to by an administration that took 9-11 and used it and for legitimizing a foreign policy that is counter to everything America stands for.
The war in Afghanistan is legitimate and necessary, but Iraq was based on lies. Why else would the administration fight so hard to cover their tracks? Since your throwing the word treason around, you should look into what the administration is doing to the constitution and rule of law. If that%u2019s not treason, nothing is. As for destruction of the military, our equipment is being worn out, blown up and destroyed on a battlefield we should never have set foot on. That is on top of the casualties and sacrifices the soldiers and their families have had to make. Making things even more difficult are mercenary thugs like Blackwater , who have caused the military%u2019s job to be even harder due to the mistrust generated by their atrocities.

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by clovisbuford October 12, 2007 11:03 PM PDT

errr re: "This is amazing: month after month, year after year, thousands of innocent Iraqis are murdered by other Iraqis without so much as a peep from (1) The Iraq government (2) Liberals in the US. Not a peep. Nope. I guess it was just fine and dandy for Sunnis and Shiites and AQ and criminals to torture and slaughter thousands of civilians. Mass executions, mass kidnappings and murder. Massive truck and suicide bombs. Everyone kills everyone, but no problem! Not one liberal stepped up. Not one Iraqi government official wanted to investigate. Not one person looked for compensation. Not one indictment" isnt that what civil war looks like? ..which is what responsible people have being saying about this war for a couple of years .. and why should our troops be trapped in the middle

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by j-whitman October 13, 2007 12:19 AM PDT

robertkjjj,,, Another General speaks out He just happened to be the General in charge of the Iraq War of Roses 1 month after the invasion.... Here''s what he has to say about your idiotic comment

A "failure of the national political leadership" is responsible for the %u201Cnightmare%u201D of the Iraq war, retired Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez said Friday.

If some of America%u2019s political leaders were in the military they would have been relieved or court-martialed long ago, Sanchez told a conference of military journalists.

"Neglect and incompetence" by the National Security Council has led to an intractable situation in Iraq, the former commander of coalition forces in Iraq said

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by akh20007 October 13, 2007 2:24 AM PDT

"Iraqi officials say Blackwater''s license to operate in Iraq expired on June 2, 2006, meaning it had no immunity from prosecution under Iraqi laws..."

If this is true "Neglect and incompetence" are the only formulations for the situation.

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[caribel-2009]

Now watch what happens. Condy calls for an investigation. The investigation is bought and paid for, and the conclusion was that no wrong was committed. Are you as tired as me of the inside investigations leading nowhere, the changing of policy by the administration to suit their needs, etc.? It is just like former President Carter called it yesterday when he said Bush has changed the definition of torture so the torture he prescribes is legal. What a crock on the American people! Are we so stupid that we cannot see what this is all about?

[vet999999]

Turkey Recalls Diplomat Over Genocide Vote

This is non bias, you can comment on Blackwater but not the fact that the democrates have just blown international realtions with Turkey.....this is great...

[pastdue1]

CNN - Fifteen Iraqi civilians -- all women and children -- were killed by coalition forces during an operation targeting senior leaders of al Qaeda in Iraq, according to the U.S. military, which claimed the victims were put in harm''s way through the actions of the terrorist group."

Like the US association with the Blackwater heritage in Iraq, this is just another example of the waste in this so-called "War on Terror", the greatest misnomer of this catastrophe. It is nothing more than a War of Terror. Explaining that al Qaeda was to blame does not mitigate the killing of the non combatents, nor does it wash away the shame associated with it. It only makes it appear that our military is callous and to ready to pass the buck.

[toshi43]

I wonder what the reaction would be if those 17 civilians murdered by mercenaries had been American instead of Iraqi. The the cow-dirt would really hit the fan, wouldn''t it?

[ioweign]

This is non bias, you can comment on Blackwater but not the fact that the democrates have just blown international realtions with Turkey.....this is great...

Posted by vet999999 at 10:55 AM : Oct 12, 2007

They (Congress) did the right thing - next you will say the Holocaust never took place !

[middleman8]

ITS TIME FOR US TROOPS TO MAKE A SWEPT AND CLEAN OUT THE BLACKWATER GRINGOS.

[photogeezer]

Would someone with better graphics talents than I like a project? Tweak the Blackwater logo to show, instead of a dog''s pawprint, a pile of dog sh**.

[signof4]

No troop deaths or burning cars to publish, so let''s beat the Blackwater drum to death. Way to go, LAMEstream media!

[ov442]

"The suit in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., said the contractor has been paid more than $1 by the U.S. government since 2001 and that the company violated U.S. laws in the Sept. 16 killings."
?? paid more than $1 ... what does that have to do with their actions? if you pay a contractor more than a dollar they are now subject to a different law?

Blackwater''s contracts were all just another facet of this Bush administration paying off its large republican donors. Prince is a direct relative and consumately conservative republican donor of the DeVoss family.
That should be enough by itself.
Had they not existed and paid contractors hundreds of millions to do the same type of job we pay our troops, we''d pry have more experienced soldiers that Re-enlisted to be part of the US military again.
Besides. In my opinion, paying that much money to Ex military to do the same thing is extremely disrespectful of the existing troops.

[ov442]

I saw some more hippocrisy down there.
Its funny how someone who supports the GOP will Comment on, WOrry about, and complain that the "Democrats" just blew our relationship with Turkey by actually doing something Moral, while the Republicans blew our relationships with almost every nation on earth by being warmongering, angry, blinder-wearing, ear-plugged, mis-informed, agenda seeking, greedy, corrupt, and o yeah nasty people.
Wonderful how the critics of the Dems, continue to spout completely baseless, hipposcrisy to complain about.
Find something worthwhile and maybe you''ll have a point some day.

[ivandrago]

The lesson is the good guys (i.e. us) should never use mercenaries to do the job of a soldier. A soldier''s duties shouldn''t be passed off to the private sector. Period. (period)

[oleander8]

"?? paid more than $1 ... what does that have to do with their actions? if you pay a contractor more than a dollar they are now subject to a different law?"

I believe that should read $1 Billion.

[islandgal517]

Learn your animals. It''s a bear paw, not a dog. Blackwater is a great place filled with mostly great people. You can''t be so simple minded not to realize that every company is going to have a screw up employee some way some how. You can''t blame a whole company for what one group f people MAY have done on their own with out being told. Who know''s what really happened. you would have to have been there. You can''t believe everything you read or hear in the news, it''s mostly ***. And to believe everything the Iraqi''s are saying, you know, the on''s who have killed thousand of Americans, well that''s just plain pathetic.

[searingtruth]

Well, it''s now clear why Bush and his henchmen forced the Iraqi government to give Blackwater, and Bush''s other private SS armies, blanket immunity no matter what crimes they commit.

And it also explains why Bush demanded and got the same "laws" in America that "legalize" any atrocity Blackwater et al may commit.

If these organizations were really "good" mercenary groups with just a few bad eggs, then it wouldn''t have been foreseen that they would need absolute immunity for all crimes.

But it was, because Bush and henchmen knew exactly what they were doing, creating there own SS loyal only to them, above all law, and devoid of conscience.

Another stain of death and inhumanity upon the soul of America.
ST


"And so, just as Hitler and Stalin before them, Bush and his henchmen recruited brutal sociopaths to torture and murder, accounting only to their personal will. Lending them, wholeheartedly and enthusiastically, all necessary moral and legal blessing.

I have always been curious, and wondered, who the American people thought were torturing and murdering in our name."
SearingTruth

A Future of the Brave - www.searingtruth.com

[terrorislam1]

soldiers arrived at the scene 20 to 25 minutes after the shootings ended.

hahaha

some eye witness lol

[terrorislam1]

DEMONIC-RATS LEAD THE CHORUS OF USEFUL IDIOTS

The Islamic Society of Boston & the Politicians'' Red Faces
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/115

[mcvet]

soldiers arrived at the scene 20 to 25 minutes after the shootings ended.

hahaha

some eye witness lol


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Posted by terrorislam1 at 02:05 PM : Oct 12, 2007
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So you are saying our troops are lying? Why would they? Sieg Heil Bush!!

[mcvet]

Learn your animals. It''''s a bear paw, not a dog. Blackwater is a great place filled with mostly great people. You can''''t be so simple minded not to realize that every company is going to have a screw up employee some way some how. You can''''t blame a whole company for what one group f people MAY have done on their own with out being told. Who know''''s what really happened. you would have to have been there. You can''''t believe everything you read or hear in the news, it''''s mostly ***. And to believe everything the Iraqi''''s are saying, you know, the on''''s who have killed thousand of Americans, well that''''s just plain pathetic.


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Posted by IslandGal517 at 01:44 PM : Oct 12, 2007
+ report abuse

Is there anything worse than a Fascist? They Blame or find Excuses for everything the Fuhrer does. Obviously you haven''t been following the story because this is just the LAST of MANY such incidents with Blackwater. Why shouldn''t the Company who hires this SLIME and they are SLIME and every Vet knows it. These people are HIRED KILLERS, that''s what they are paid to do and thats what they do. Stop being a bootlicker for the most corrupt Administration and worst people on this planet. Sieg Heil Bush!!

The suit in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., said the contractor has been paid more than $1 by the U.S. government since 2001 and that the company violated U.S. laws in the Sept. 16 killings


I''m guess the one dollar was a misprint? LOL!!!

[jowand]

soldiers arrived at the scene 20 to 25 minutes after the shootings ended.

hahaha

some eye witness lol


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Posted by terrorislam1 at 02:05 PM : Oct 12, 2007
+ report abuse

So you are saying our troops are lying? Why would they? Sieg Heil Bush!!


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Posted by MCVet at 02:25 PM : Oct 12, 2007

Your good buddy Jack LA Murtha said our troops are liars, what about Haditha?

[jowand]

Stop being a bootlicker for the most corrupt Administration and worst people on this planet. Sieg Heil Bush!!


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Posted by MCVet at 02:30 PM : Oct 12, 2007

Sorry most corrupt administration was the Clintons, most convictions.

[j-whitman]

jowand,,,,, If you haven''t noticed Bush/Cheney concept of private contracted mercinaries has embarrassed our nation ---- Even in Afaganistan they''ve caused terrible problems --------- BUSH HAS FAILED OUR NATION

[cbs_oliver]

Some US intelligence officers have estimated that there may be 800 to 1000 or so insurgents in or closely affiliated with al Qaeda in Iraq.

We must be killing them and then moving them and proping them up with sticks and killing then again and again and again.

Hereee they go again with the al Qaeda thing!

[starleo146]

jowand,,,,, If you haven''''t noticed Bush/Cheney concept of private contracted mercinaries has embarrassed our nation ---- Even in Afaganistan they''''ve caused terrible problems --------- BUSH HAS FAILED OUR NATION

Posted by j-whitman at 02:50 PM : Oct 12, 200

J, You are right it is a disgrace how this goes on and on and no signs of stopping. Lets say it again BUSH HAS FAILED OUR NATION.

[terrorislam1]

terrorislam and the nazis

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=banna+nazi

[alphaa10-2009]

terrorislam1 said, "... soldiers arrived at the scene 20 to 25 minutes after the shootings ended...hahaha ... some eye witness lol----
---
Learn to read, terrorist. From the story-- "The soldiers'' conclusions - based upon their own observations, eyewitness interviews and discussions with Iraq police - are similar to those reached by the Iraqi government and contradict Blackwater''s contention that its guards acted in self-defense after being shot at by the Iraqis."

Eyewitnesses, almost by definition, are always interviewed AFTER the fact. Any interview only 20 minutes after the shooting stopped is very prompt.

The statement of these courageous US soldiers will go a long way toward convincing the world US soldiers can recognize and tell the truth-- regardless of what Bush and Cheney want them to say for the cameras.

The 1,000 active duty enlisted-- many from the Iraq theater-- who signed the Iraq protest document also have what it takes and showed their patriotism. Some of these men since have paid with their lives, following orders of the corrupt man who sometimes likes to call himself The Decider.

[terrorislam1]

Appeal for Redress
Sign this Appeal.
This site is an Appeal For Redress in support of our mission in Iraq.
An Appeal For Redress is an authorized means for active duty military to submit a grievance to Congress. It can be signed by Active Duty, Reserve, or National Guard military personnel.
It is authorized by DoD Directive 1325.6 and DoD Directive 7050.6.
The wording of the Appeal for Redress is:
As an American currently serving my nation in uniform, I respectfully urge my political leaders in Congress to fully support our mission in Iraq and halt any calls for retreat. I also respectfully urge my political leaders to actively oppose media efforts which embolden my enemy while demoralizing American support at home. The War in Iraq is a necessary and just effort to bring freedom to the Middle East and protect America from further attack.
If you are active duty, reservist or national guard, please Sign this Appeal.
Most service members fully support the war in Iraq and feel calls to retreat by Congress and attacks by our media on our conduct and mission act to motivate our enemy while demoralizing our support at home, directly increasing the threat we face and resulting in greater American casualties. This Appeal for Redress provides a way in which individual service members can appeal to Congress to fully support us and actively oppose media attacks on our mission and our morale.
This Appeal will be delivered to members of Congress.
http://www.appealforcourage.org/

[marcodele]

These must be the ''phoney'' troops Rush Limbaugh identified. If they''re not marching lock step with the neocons and George W. Bush, then they must be ''phoney'' troops risking their ''phoney'' lives for our ''phoney'' freedom.

[signof4]

No troop deaths or burning cars to publish, so let''''s beat the Blackwater drum to death. Way to go, LAMEstream media!

[myidoncbs]

terrorislam1, NO ONE with any intelligence is going to sign your stu-pid "appeal for redress", so QUIT POSTING IT! Your appeal is akin to a southern US slave of the 1800''s begging his "owner" with, "Pleeze, massah, beat me some mo''!" (If any offense is to be taken at this remark, please direct it towards terrorislam1. I am just characterizing HIS stu-pid appeal.)

The ONLY way to "Fully Support" the troops in Iraq is to BRING THEM HOME, OUT OF HARM''S WAY. Bush has ALREADY extended their tours of duty beyond endurance. You are one sick, evil b-st@rd to want to heap on more punishment. Maybe you''re a ***? That can''t be it, because masochists actually want to continue living, they just like to be dominated and controlled. So, you''re close to being a ***, but no cigar for you, buddy!

[alphaa10-2009]

terrorislam1 has posted a link to a Google search showing links between those hating Israel/Zionism and people under the sway of Hitler. His point? Al Qaeda is equivalent to Naziism and fascism.

Many of us also are aware that various MidEastern anti-Israel groups through the 20th century were enthusiastic admirers of der fuhrer, hanging Nazi poster art and handbills in the HQs.

That said, this still does not make jihadists working for restoration of the caliphate into Nazis or fascists. These are not Nazis or fascists but violent theocrats, of whom the world has seen legions-- far more than fascists of any stripe.

A theocrat is a unique species of political animal, acting out of doctrinaire (purportedly) religious considerations to create a kingdom of/for God on earth, not necessarily by his own economic interest. Zionists, for examle, are consumate theocrats. So were members of the Inquisition. Not surprisingly, the first action of the theocrat is to announce his impeccable credentials, received (more or less) directly from God.

Regarding violent jihadists, many Muslims disavow such extremists among them, but there are few outspoken Muslim critics of radical Islam. This does not imply most Muslims favor violence, but that terrorists easily intimidate those less violent.

[condumism]

Posted by SignOf4
No troop deaths or burning cars to publish, so lets beat the Blackwater drum to death. Way to go, LAMEstream media!

Because the Fascists in the White House are not allowing any news to come out of Iraq. Guess you, as a Nazi loving jinGOPig might be happier living in Russia, where there are no minorities, and there are plenty of private security firms that run amock as well, with NO PRESS COVERAGE!

[myidoncbs]

SignOf4 again demonstrates the utter lack of intelligence or creativity of the Bushies. He complains, "No troop deaths or burning cars to publish, so let''s beat the Blackwater drum to death. Way to go, LAMEstream media!"

There''s NOTHING lame about this story, SignOf4. Your spin can''t change that. This article adds an important component to the whole story, which is: The brave men and women who serve as US soldiers in Iraq confirm that Blackwater MURDERED these innocent people! It''s NOT just us "libs" that see Blackwater for what they are. Why can''t YOU see it, too? What has clouded your mind so much, to the point that can''t see that a bunch of lawless, paid assassins running around all over Iraq killing whomever they please is NOT the way to "secure the peace", and it doesn''t do ANY good for the US image in the eyes of the world.

Once you swallow the Bush Kool Aid, I guess all rational thought becomes impossible. That''s a POWERFUL drug you''ve been smokin'' bud!

[terrorislam1]

FASCIST NAZI TERRORISLAM / PERFECT EXAMPLE OF FASCISM!!!

Fascist nazi terrorislam is intent on killing or enslaving all non muslims......

Why is there no muslim country that grants equal rights to non muslim citizens???

The most notable characteristic of a fascist country is the separation and persecution or denial of equality to a specific segment of the population based upon superficial qualities or belief systems.
Simply stated, a fascist government always has one class of citizens that is considered superior (good) to another (bad) based upon race, creed or origin. It is possible to be both a republic and a fascist state. The preferred class lives in a republic while the oppressed class lives in a fascist state.
http://www.couplescompany.com/Features/Politics/Structure3.htm

[terrorislam1]

Posted by MyIDonCBS at 04:17 PM : Oct 12, 2007

proving once again that left wingnut liberal demonic-rats believe in freedom of speech, as long as you agree with them that is LOL

and you thought the internet had freedom of speech,,, just like in china,,, google kowtows to islam and liberals,,,

YOU HAVE BEEN GOOGLED

Google has been accused of censoring writers critical Islamic fascism such as Arlene Peck, and those critical of Liberals in general. Google refers to them as promoting "hate."
http://www.sullivan-county.com/id4/peck2b.htm

Google bans anti-MoveOn.org ads
http://www.examiner.com/a-983100~Robert_Cox__Google_bans_anti_MoveOn_org_ads.html

[toolmangler-2009]

Posted by alphaa10 at 04:28 PM : Oct 12, 2007


theocrat; Isn''t that what the Christian Radicals call the ''NEW'' political party they are forming??

Thanks for that one alphaa10, I love it. LOL

BTW. I am a thinking Christian, not a radical.

[johnny_chaos]

yea, well isnt this a good way to **** away a billion dollars. fa-gg-ots, go get poked by your pastors.

[johnny_chaos]

hey, apparently, these blackwater guys pissed themselves and started shooting everything that moved. lets just look at that fact, 1 billion for mercenarys with non-professional actions, no over sight and no judgement. every shooting incidence i''ve read that involved these guys was illegal. simplily shooting iraq drivers for sport. oh, yea, how many people got killed because four of these "contractors" got lost in fallujah? seriously support our troops, dont waste their time babysitting clowns.

if your impressed with these guys, you may want some alone time in the shower with a man.

[terrorislam1]

they should only use silly little whiney left wingnut liberal demonic-rats,,,

they have that special sense that can tell friend or foe,,,

let them be point man on all patrols as well

[johnny_chaos]

terrorislam1 sure. why not? these *** werent point on anything, they were driving a convoy. heavly armed and above the law. possibly blaring macho man from the village people and smelling the man love.

[johnny_chaos]

terrorislam1 why you so scared of a bunch of camel jockeys?

[johnny_chaos]

Falluja = Approximately 100 American Marines were killed, and over 1,000 wounded. Another Blackwater success story.

[johngress]

This Appeal for Redress is a means for citizens to submit a grievance to Congress. As an American, I urge my political leaders in Congress to support ending the mission in Iraq and halt calls for surges, rotations or any other terms the neocons use for escalation of hostilities. I also urge my political leaders to actively oppose the administration war efforts. The War in Iraq has brought chaos to the Middle East and ruined the good reputation of America. This war is sponsored by a small group of neocons, enlisting the help radical conservatives, media outlets and drug addicts such as Annarexia Colter, Rash Limbaugh, Unclear Channel and Faux Knews.
We know the neocon chicken hawks need this war to excite their xenophobic base. They were unwilling to serve when called upon, so they%u2019ve decided our soldiers, by proxy, can serve for them. Calls to redeploy by Congress needs to be supported. The majority supports the troops, because they are the ones putting their lives on the line. But we don%u2019t support a mission that shouldn%u2019t have gone beyond Afghanistan. The increased threat we now face is a direct result of this Administration%u2019s irrational and immoral refusal to address their mistakes. This Appeal for Redress provides for an individual%u2019s appeal to Congress to support redeployment and oppose the Administration%u2019s attacks on the constitution.
This Appeal will be implanted in Rush Limbaugh%u2019s sphincter.

[robertkjjj]

This is amazing: month after month, year after year, thousands of innocent Iraqis are murdered by other Iraqis without so much as a peep from (1) The Iraq government (2) Liberals in the US. Not a peep. Nope. I guess it was just fine and dandy for Sunnis and Shiites and AQ and criminals to torture and slaughter thousands of civilians. Mass executions, mass kidnappings and murder. Massive truck and suicide bombs. Everyone kills everyone, but no problem! Not one liberal stepped up. Not one Iraqi government official wanted to investigate. Not one person looked for compensation. Not one indictment. Yet, let one Iraqi die at the hands of the %u201Cgood guys%u201D, the right hand man to the US military, and the liberals and the Iraqi%u2019s go berserk, demanding millions of dollars and investigations. Does not anyone else spot the hypocrisy and insanity in this? We don%u2019t need to worry about being defeated by the enemy. We are doing a great job here of defeating ourselves. Liberals: thank you for our defeat in Iraq. Thank you very much. Your treason and destruction to our military and our country will be noted for generations to come.

[cdfoxtrot]

Google has been accused of censoring writers critical Islamic fascism such as Arlene Peck, and those critical of Liberals in general. Google refers to them as promoting "hate."
http://www.sullivan-county.com/
id4/peck2b.htm

Google bans anti-MoveOn.org ads
http://www.examiner.com/a-983100~Ro
bert_Cox__Google_bans_anti_MoveOn_org_ad
s.html

Posted by terrorislam1 at 04:40 PM : Oct 12, 2007


terrorislam1, your assertions don''t appear valid.
However, if you really want to load up on right-wing nut job hate talk, tune in to Fox News and listen to the equivalent hate radio stations. And don''t waste your time on CBS''s weeny, "liberal", lefty, commie-loving site. Have a nice daze!

[robertkjjj]

Liberals are extraordinarily and unintentionally funny people. They have grabbed just two words, "fascist", and "neocon". They have no CLUE as to true definition or correct usage of either word. Yet, they sprinkle these into every single post and baseless accusation, as if they were Moses himself giving a speech on the mountain. If it were not so pathetic and obviously moronic, it would be humorous.

[johngress]

Liberals: thank you for our defeat in Iraq. Thank you very much. Your treason and destruction to our military and our country will be noted for generations to come.
Posted by robertkjjj at 06:35 PM : Oct 12, 2007
If you haven%u2019t noticed, the majority of Americans are against the war. Now that could mean a couple of things:
1. If we went with your way of thinking , the majority of us are liberals and traitors.
2. I tend to believe that the majority of us are middle of the road or at least on the road, both liberals and conservatives, that are sick and tired of being lied to by an administration that took 9-11 and used it and for legitimizing a foreign policy that is counter to everything America stands for.
The war in Afghanistan is legitimate and necessary, but Iraq was based on lies. Why else would the administration fight so hard to cover their tracks? Since your throwing the word treason around, you should look into what the administration is doing to the constitution and rule of law. If that%u2019s not treason, nothing is. As for destruction of the military, our equipment is being worn out, blown up and destroyed on a battlefield we should never have set foot on. That is on top of the casualties and sacrifices the soldiers and their families have had to make. Making things even more difficult are mercenary thugs like Blackwater , who have caused the military%u2019s job to be even harder due to the mistrust generated by their atrocities.

[clovisbuford]

errr re: "This is amazing: month after month, year after year, thousands of innocent Iraqis are murdered by other Iraqis without so much as a peep from (1) The Iraq government (2) Liberals in the US. Not a peep. Nope. I guess it was just fine and dandy for Sunnis and Shiites and AQ and criminals to torture and slaughter thousands of civilians. Mass executions, mass kidnappings and murder. Massive truck and suicide bombs. Everyone kills everyone, but no problem! Not one liberal stepped up. Not one Iraqi government official wanted to investigate. Not one person looked for compensation. Not one indictment" isnt that what civil war looks like? ..which is what responsible people have being saying about this war for a couple of years .. and why should our troops be trapped in the middle

[j-whitman]

robertkjjj,,, Another General speaks out He just happened to be the General in charge of the Iraq War of Roses 1 month after the invasion.... Here''s what he has to say about your idiotic comment

A "failure of the national political leadership" is responsible for the %u201Cnightmare%u201D of the Iraq war, retired Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez said Friday.

If some of America%u2019s political leaders were in the military they would have been relieved or court-martialed long ago, Sanchez told a conference of military journalists.

"Neglect and incompetence" by the National Security Council has led to an intractable situation in Iraq, the former commander of coalition forces in Iraq said

[akh20007]

"Iraqi officials say Blackwater''s license to operate in Iraq expired on June 2, 2006, meaning it had no immunity from prosecution under Iraqi laws..."

If this is true "Neglect and incompetence" are the only formulations for the situation.