Man's Penis Cut Off In "Honor Killing"

76-Year-Old Suspected Of Shooting 58-Year-Old Who Allegedly Flirted With His Wife

(AP)  Austrian authorities said Thursday they arrested an elderly Turkish-born man suspected of fatally shooting a younger Turkish associate and slicing off the victim's penis in what investigators called an "honor killing."

Police in the town of Wimpassing in the province of Lower Austria made the arrest shortly after the Wednesday night slaying, and said the suspect -- described only as a 76-year-old native Turk -- did not resist.

Officials said witnesses claimed the man allegedly shot the victim, a 58-year-old Turkish-born man, in the street with a 12-gauge shotgun at point-blank range and then cut off his penis with a kitchen knife, leaving him to bleed to death.

Two teams of surgeons worked at the scene to save the man but were unable to revive him, authorities said.

Investigators believe the suspect apparently was jealous that the younger man had flirted with his wife, and had sought him out as "a question of honor," said Franz Polzer, head of the region's criminal investigations office.

Honor killings, driven by the view that a family's honor is paramount, are an ancient tradition associated with Kurdish regions of Turkey, Iraq and Iran as well as tribal areas in Pakistan and some Arab societies.

The suspect initially fled into a nearby house after the slaying, but witnesses alerted police to his location and he walked out and surrendered shortly thereafter, Polzer said.

Police said the man appeared to have purchased the shotgun earlier on Wednesday. They said he had disposed of the knife, but led officers to the spot where he stashed the weapon.

Polzer told the Austria Press Agency that the suspected gunman told investigators he suspected the victim of having had an affair with his wife for the past 20 years. The suspect said he had warned the victim a decade ago to break it off.

During questioning, the suspect showed no remorse and instead expressed relief "that he preserved his honor," officials said in a statement.

It was the first known attack of its kind in Austria, which is home to about 200,000 Turks -- Europe's third-largest Turkish expatriate population after Germany and France.

But so-called honor killings have occurred elsewhere in Europe:

• In August, a federal court in Germany ordered a retrial for two brothers acquitted of fatally shooting their sister -- an attack that prosecutors said was meant to punish the Turkish-German woman for her Western lifestyle.
  
  
• In Britain in July, the father and uncle of an Iraqi Kurd woman who was murdered for falling in love with the wrong man were sentenced to life in prison for ordering the killing.
  
  
• In 2006, a Danish court sentenced a Pakistani man to life imprisonment for ordering the slaying of his 19-year-old daughter, who was gunned down two days after her wedding because her family allegedly disapproved of her choice of husband.

[nathan8804-2009]

Why did it take 20 years?

[thenamesdave]

Honest question... what did he DO with it after he cut it off?

[godofredo29]

That''s not called castration (which would be removing the testicles). It''s just called amputation. Morons.

[mustbright]

Killer''s wife put out an AMBER alert for missing "member" of her inner sanctum.

[taddles-2009]

Good thing he "saved his honor", he''s going to need it when they bend him over and rape him in prison.

[mike71067]

That story''s enough to make your junk tighten up.

[l8c6]

Another reason for citizens of the western world to not be so politically correct by cowering and allowing hoed politicians and other special interests to call citizens racist if they object to members of barbaric cultural origins to enter their communities.

[krenz4]

I wonder why anyone who hates western society so much that they would move there, then kill their own sister because she follows the customs of her host country. These people have no idea of the concept of assimillation. They have no intention of assimilating. The want to convert, transform, coerce and force change upon those place that they move to. They are not guests of a nation, they may be an infestation. If they dont like western society, they have perfectly good arab/muslim countries that they could move to and impose sharia law, chop off heads and ******* and hands, opress women and preserve ''honor'' to their hearts content! Why impose themselves on the rest of us?

[teeus]

"...These people need to be exterminated..."
superchez1

Wow. I mean...Wow.

If I may indugle your lunatic fantasy for a moment--explain to me how your plan of dropping the A-bomb is going to work exactly. You think all the people you want to get rid of are all in one place? And there are not other people mixed in there? Or are you OK with dropping the A-bomb on Austria and killing bunches of others? I would think a Nazi like you would have issues with bombing the Aryans...Did you even read the article?

Unless you have something to contribute to the discussion beyond "NUKE ''EM", why don''t you just go take a nap.

[dan9111]

This case is not much different than NASA''s astronaut woman who tried to murder a love rival. It is strange this is even newsworthy, given that violent American women are automatically given "insanity" defenses, teams of psychiatric evaluation, or other special treatment. That is where the real hate-action is at, not way over in Austria.

[l8c6]

krenz4,

Our hoe politicians are representing in some cases illusive special interests. We have people from these barbaric societies who moved to the U.S., studied here, have become educators etc. and are working to change the U.S. from within. One, an Ivy league professor has been on the news with his heavy accent telling what we need to do as an american because he has become an american. Some of what conceived 200 years ago didn''t take into account the 20th, 21st century ease of travel so "anchor babies" etc. were never considered the issue they are becoming. This nation is ripe for takeover from cultures who have a strong internal bonding that think in terms of coming to the U.S. the change it to accommodate their cultural needs.

[l8c6]

Dan9111

I disagree. There is such thing as mental illness which can be Axis I, psychotic issues or Axis II, behavioral personality disorders. These foreign societies harbor strong beliefs often religious which makes them more disturbing because these people otherwise are rational intact human beings who simply believe this is the way to resolve differences and honor their higher power. In this country we would divorce, sue, etc. Only someone overtaken by their inability to manage their mental status in the western world resorts to such savage behavior. This man did this rationally based on a belief system.

[krenz4]

18c6
I totally agree. An we as Americans are so afraid to stand up and preserve our ''American culture'' because someone from somewhere else might not like it. Right or wrong, this is America, and when people come here and demand we change our way of life to suit them, it makes me soooo angry. I know that part of the plan of our enemies is to ''infiltrate'' our society. (can any one say ''sleeper cell?) And American society has thrown self preservation and common sense out the window. Smile and welcome your enemy into your home, because, you wouldnt want to hurt his feelings by letting him know, that YOU know he intends for you to die, heaven forbid!

[teeus]

"...an Ivy league professor has been on the news with his heavy accent telling what we need to do as an american because he has become an american..."
Posted by l8c6

Really really hate to rain on your xenophobic parade, but as much as you dislike it, the "ivy league prof from another country"s voice is allowed to be heard.

That''s what this country is. If you don''t like it, please retreat to the compound and pack up your stuff for your trip to somewhere less tolerant. Like Iran.

[teeus]

"...preserve our ''American culture'' because someone from somewhere else might not like it. Right or wrong, this is America, and when people come here and demand we change our way of life to suit them..."
Posted by krenz4

Where do you think this "American culture" came from? From the people of immigration that IS the United States.

Amazing. You people have only been here for 400 years at the most, but somehow you think people who''ve come later than you don''t deserve a voice.

So, where''s the cut-off? Do they need to have been here for 10 years? 5? 25? Do we let them vote? Should they pay taxes? Can they serve in the military?

Face it, if they become citizens, they have the same right you do.

[teeus]

"...your sweet for Muslim men hu? You crave the Koran of love up your keester..."

Kiss your mother with that mouth?

[dan9111]

"Only someone overtaken by their inability to manage their mental status in the western world resorts to such savage behavior. This man did this rationally based on a belief system."

Posted by l8c6

That is a blatant contradiction. Belief systems are NOT rational. They are just beliefs. A mental illness if there ever was one. There is no difference between this guy and the violent mothers who drown their children for Jesus. But the violent women get the vaginaprivilege of "insanity".

[zoltaric]

We must understand these people come from a rich and beautiful culture that is different from ours.

They should not be held accountable to our standards but must be judged in accordance with there own beleif system.

This mans only crime is being a Muslim. This sort of Islamophobia needs to stop.

Stop the persecution of Muslims here and abroad.

[dogsoul]

This is nothing more than typical Muslim behavior... Despite Tucker trying to say it''s not different in western culture... fact is that these honor killings are relatively common in Islamic tradition - they''ll often times kill their own daughter for trying to marry a non-Muslim, that is if beating them into submission doesn''t work. They MAY even do it if she doesn''t marry whoever they''ve arranged for her...

Fact is that this kind of barbarism is simply part of Arab Islamic culture... and is precisely the kind of mindset that results in their being the source for most of the terrorism in this world... sure, tucker & liberals will try to defend these animals - even though they''ll skewer Christians, Israelis, westerners & the United States specifically at will - but the facts are plainly visisble, and really not even disputed by Muslims themselves... they''ll proudly talk about these things...

[averjane]

America has established it''s way of life based on the fact that people wanted to come to this country to get away from their own country''s ideas and traditions. Some traditions they bring with them and they are fine. But some are not because they break our established laws. These people, once they become citizens, have a voice and right to vote since they have chosen to be an "American" citizen. However, we should not allow these people to come over expecting us to change our traditions to suit them. We can''t go to their country and take over. That''s all it is really. A takeover. The days of conquering are past. Going in and destroying people, beliefs and way of life and replacing them with your own; those days don''t exist in today''s world. You missed the battle way back when. It''s not how we do business anymore. If you try to take over, then we have armies to handle your long lost way of thinking. You can try fighting if you want but we will not hand it to you. If you don''t like our way of life, don''t come here. If you can''t obey our established laws and rules, don''t come here. Conquer some weaker nation and establish your ways there. We are not going to give in to someone else''s traditions and beliefs. We are a free country with a God given free will. We will not hand you anything. You may join us but you can''t take away what we have.

[dogsoul]

"They should not be held accountable to our standards but must be judged in accordance with there own beleif system. This mans only crime is being a Muslim. This sort of Islamophobia needs to stop."

So you''re saying that doing what he did was simply a part of being Muslim... well, I absolutely AGREE with you there 100%! And THEN you say we need to stop Islamaphobia??? Huh? You JUST said this is something Islamics DO - and frankly, things like honor killings for slights are scary to me, as they SHOULD be. Phobias are considered IRRATIONAL fears - so if you have an odd phobia about head scarves, Arab robes, or perhaps body odor... I can see your point, but if you have fears about barbaric killing, terrorism, and hate based culture... well then be on the lookout Muslims...

[dan9111]

"We will not hand you anything. You may join us but you can''''t take away what we have."


Posted by AverJane

Your logic is entirely flawed, so much I am laughing. As an American, I can just as easily say you must leave because you don''t like what I say. Yours is "cultural relativism" or perhaps "militant control" at best. Nothing absolute or moral about it.

But it doesn''t even matter. This is a case in Austria. So what difference does this self-centered theory of yours make? By you own "logic", you should move to Austria if this is held as wrongdoing in your opinion. Right?

[krenz4]

No, there is no cut off, you miss the point, I am talking about ASSIMLATION! get it? This is what other immigrants in the past have done that has made this a great country! They learned the language, they were TOLERANT of other cultures. They did not come here and DEMAND that everyone tolerate their differences with a smile while spitting on the beliefs (religious and otherwise) of everyone else. THAT is the point I am making. America is no place for IGNORANT, INTOLERANCE! (we have enough homegrown). If you want to embrace either, why not stay where you came from? People, before they move here, should ask themselves What does the AMERICAN DREAM mean to you? A chance to bring your bigoted, medevial hatred and intolerance to a new land? To isolate yourself and look down on every other culture you encounter? A new chance to live a good life and at the same time complain to the world that your new found freedoms are not good enough? Is it a chance preach hatred of this country, while you live under its protections, and benefit from its bounties? If the answer is yes, STAY HOME!

[dan9111]

"So you''''re saying that doing what he did was simply a part of being Muslim... well, I absolutely AGREE with you there 100%!"

Posted by dogsoul

Hey, I think that posting was toungue-in-cheek. It is entirely a hoax.

[mitywhity]

At least the muslim wasn''t a coward. He sent a message loud and clear.

[eggy1620]

This is the result of a culture in which the single most important thing in your life is what other people think.

[oleander8]

Is this the same "honor" system that says if a man rapes a woman, then the woman''s husband/father/brother/etc., get to rape the rapist''s wife/sister/mother/etc.? What an honor system!

[usmc1968]

Well I find all this culture stuff quite interesting, but culture did not cause the american lady too cut off her husbands *** in the infamous "bobbit case", or the recent case where a woman in anger ripped a mans testical off thru his pants, one can find cases of mutilation, murder, in all societies, no one culture is immune or worse, many believe america is a violent society due too our murder rates, fact is its a human kind issue, and that is why on judgment day, we all will be judged, and I am willing too bet just as many alleged-christians, self-proclaimed moslems, Jews etc, one can go on down the list of religions, will have equal opportunity too explain their beliefs, but I venture too say hades or what ever bad place one believes the evil go will be full of people of all faiths...

[kennergirl]

What is really strange about this honor killing is the fact the guy was supposedly running around with his wife for 20 years! He told him 10 years ago to stop (or so the article reads). I wonder why it took him so long "save his family name".

[krenz4]

ok a holes, with the bleeding hearts, when Americans, in America are required to change their religion to Islam and pray (publicly) several times a day, or die, then maybe you will rethink your "fuzzy bunny", "we are the world", "tree hugger", "let them all be" attitude. When you find yourself in a third world, barbarian, foreign language speaking America,It will be to late. Some people lay down waaaaaaay to easily.

[chbars]

I am surprised this made the World NEWS!! Given the number of people murdered EVERYWHERE EVERYDAY! People are sexually assaulted everyday...and women are "castrated" or "circumcised" in many African and some European nations by the thousands!..Why is this so newsworthy? Recently a woman had her breast cut off in an assault...made local news not sure about WORLD NEWS though!

[krenz4]

Tucker,
Get your head out of your azz and look around you. I fear no Muslim army that you mention. Muslims dont need an army to conquer this country, we have enough pansies who will lay down and be a cozy little doormat for Trash from all corners of the world to wipe their feet on. If Americans dont smarten up an insist on some STANDARDS, this country is going to look like the third world. All Im saying is: Bring back common sense. If people dont want to live and embrace the PRINCIPLES of America, then they can stay away, and Americans should again start insisting that they do when they come here.

[whispyseas]

'' ... after a few thousand years of technological innovation, i decided that 14 billion year old civilizations probably swim around in their own crafted eternities, and probably figured out that their earth did not come before eternity ... infinite lines of resolution, infinitely fast refresh rate: infinite dances each infinitely small moment ... choose just one to view at a time! ... so joking ... ''

'' ... authorities beg for offices and jobs claiming to be responsible parties ... then when things go wrong, people who never claimed to be responsible are punished while authorities that claim responsibility go unpunished ... if a crime occurs, throw the responsible authority in prison where they belong and the irresponsible people back into the water where they belong ... ''

'' ... little naked girls know, put one naked girl on top of the news desk rallyd round the sick beds playing get well soon and feed the world, and there will be little naked girls on all the newsdesks ... which is why the little naked girls put armed dressed boys on the newsdesks, to give them a sporting chance ... ''

[godofredo29]

After looking at the title, I find it interesting that, unless I spell it with spaces to fool the filtering software, I can''t use the word p e n i s. Is there a double standard here?

[doc18d]

your great tuckness...

"The principles I follow are found in the US Constitution."

"The Christian Taliban wants to impose their "values" on everyone by force which makes them no different than the Muslim Taliban. Except the Christian Taliban is already in this nation. And, is well represented in the current White House, Congress, most State houses and court houses."

And these Christian Taliban would be the same Christian, church going God fearing men who wrote that constitution you say you follow.

[draftreid]

Too bad it wasn''t that hag Hillary snipping off Bill''s Johnson...maybe I''d even consider voting for her if she did.

But nah, too much of a typical gutless MoveOn.Org paid shrew - doesn''t even have the courage to divorce the pervert.

It''s character, stupid - which the two of you lack in volumes.

[doc18d]

Tuck

This country was not founded by athiests, you are corect. It was founded by men with fervent religious beliefs. The Separation of church and state was not to keep religion or religious beliefs out of government, but to keep government out of religious choice. What in youyr opinion does a secular government consist of in regard to religious beliefs?

[johnny_chaos]

ha ha. this isnt about religion, its about ignorant a$$holes machismo. the losers who practice "honor" killings live in and eat dust, are on the bottom of the social and economic scale and pretty much have nothing. having thier woman remind them they suck isnt acceptable to thier already frail egos. false pride causes violence. this is the same as ghetto and trailor culture in america and the basically violent hazing culture of english youth. trash on trash violence, its funny all the same though.

[doc18d]

So how do we as a people define the tennants of our ethical behavior? How do we dicern the proper way to treat each other if there is no moral basis in these decicions. Aren''t moral beliefs used to create ethics, and aren''t ethics used to define our core beleifs. Aren''t moral beleifs and ethics therfor derived from religion?

[klingon69]

In the early early 90s there was a much publicized case of an islamic family that had moved to the US. The youngest daughter wanted to be American. She wanted to wear jeans, go uncovered, go to parties, date...etc.
Her father killed her by strangulation and neither him, his wife or the girls sisters saw anything wrong with it.

[klingon69]

For those blathering on about "American culture", you might like to know that until very recent times (last 20 years) a spouse murdering another spouse and/or lover was considered "justifiable homicide."

The US recognized "honor killings" as legal for much longer than we have considered them crimes.

We just did not call them honor killings, we called them justifiable homicide.
Posted by tuckerndfw at 01:06 PM : Oct 11, 2007

It was considered a crime of passion. If you came home and caught your spouse in bed with another, you could kill them and use the "Crime of Passion" defense. Usually got off as well.

[ladyjaneg]

Honest, sincere question....no politics attached. What did he do with "it"?

[cmp271]

What religion forgives murder? Obviously religion is a violent organization. Islam has become a terrorist group, especially if they condone murder.

It should be obvious to women religion doesn''t believe in any rights for women Why would any woman want to belong to any established religion?
)O(

[teeus]

"...It was founded by men with fervent religious beliefs..."

Well, thats actually a line that the relgious right uses even though it''s not entirely true. The founding fathers ran the gamut from reverends to agnostics to athiests. Only the Moral Majority of today feels the need to revise history.

"...the Separation of church and state was not to keep religion or religious beliefs out of government, but to keep government out of religious choice..."

Yes, and one of those choices can be not to have religion at all. And I don''t need state sponsorship of religion--Christian or otherwise, thank you.

[teeus]

"...Arent moral beleifs and ethics therfor derived from religion?"
Posted by doc18d at 04:21 PM : Oct 11, 2007

Not necessarily. We can decide as a society that certain things are wrong--like murder, stealing--and that moral compass can come from many sources. If your moral compass is based on religion, thats great. But it does NOT mean that withhout religion I dont have morals.

[doc18d]

I didn''t say bible, I said religion. Befor religion, barbarism reigned. The only laws were made at the discretion of the stongests and what ever he desired at that time. Without regard to morality, ethics, or the good of the group. So religion is the basis of morality. Morality does change based on the society involved and the religious beliefs of that society.

[superdem]

Atheists are not causing all the riots and wars on this planet - it''s the religious fanatics who can believe in virgin births and ascensions into heaven and virgins in the afterlife and every sort of nonsense. These are the people who will kill their own family members who disappoint them in the eyes of others. They have no idea what human beings ARE, much less what human rights are. You don''t need religion to tell you not to treat another person badly. You only need common sense, and an understanding of cause and effect.

[superdem]

SHUT UP about the Founding Fathers. Who cares if they were religious ? They still killed the Indians and stole their land, kept their women in servitude, held slaves, burned witches, and grew tobacco, the scourge of the earth. This country was STOLEN from its native people by invaders from a more technologically advanced society. Many times it was the Christians who were killing the natives for rejecting this foreign religion. No different than the Taliban. The Christians killed the native people wherever they went, be it North America, South America, Easter Island, the Hawaiian Islands, you name it, the Christians killed people. And let''s not forget the endless wars among the Christians themselves in Europe, before the killing began over here. So take your religious *** and stuff it.

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[grazinggoat]

Fact is that this kind of barbarism is simply part of Arab Islamic culture... ... sure, tucker & liberals will try to defend these animals - even though they''''ll skewer Christians, Israelis, westerners & the United States specifically at will - but the facts are plainly visisble, and really not even disputed by Muslims themselves... they''''ll proudly talk about these things...
Posted by dogsoul at 12:21 PM : Oct 11, 2007

-Dog, you''re wrong on this one. Do you know how Indians (of India) marry? at what age? Similar behaviour in China, then Japan. I''ll not submit here a paper on the culture of India, but you have to understand that our standards fit our needs, not the others nations, living in different climate, conditions and cultures. You just cannot ''uniformize'' behaviours allover the world. Every nation had evolved in a different from the others, in order to better survive. I mean not long ago, in the USA we used to allow girls to marry at 14. Some states have shifted this age to 16 and some to 18. What is standrad in some our states is not in others.

-For the honor killing is not strictly reserved to Muslims. I''m reminding you of the incident with O.J. Simpson... and many unreported others... it''s unfortunate, but divorce exists and can easily apply as a substitute to the unjustified on going killing. What is sweet in this specific incident, for once it''s the man''s tool that has been punished this time. The woman is spared! lol!