Marines Want Out Of Iraq
Report: Top General Pushing To Redeploy Marines To Afghanistan, Leaving Iraq To Army
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Firefighters try to extinguish the flames after a suicide car bomb struck a busy market in Kirkuk, 180 miles north of Baghdad, Iraq, on Thursday, Oct. 11, 2007. Seven people were killed and 50 wounded in the attack. (AP Photo/Yahya Ahmed)
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A woman weeps as U.S. Army soldiers from B Troop, 1st Squadron, 40th Cavalry detain her male relatives in a pre-dawn raid in the Radwaniyah area of southern Baghdad, Iraq, Thursday, Oct. 11, 2007. (AP Photo/Maya Alleruzzo)
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Detainees wait for their release from a U.S.-run facility at Camp Victory in Baghdad, Oct. 10, 2007. About 60 a day were released during Ramadan – which ended Wednesday - as a goodwill gesture by the U.S. (AP)
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Karon (left) and Nora, daughters of Marou Awanis, one of two Christian women killed Oct. 9, 2007, in Baghdad by members of a private security firm, are seen here the next day at their mother's funeral in Baghdad. (AP)
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The commandant of the Marine Corps, Gen. James T. Conway, raised the issue with Defense Secretary Robert Gates last week, the Times reported. Senior military and Pentagon officials said supporters of the proposal, including some in the Army, believe that such a realignment could allow both services to operate more efficiently in the face of strains on the separate forces.
No major Marine units are among the 26,000 U.S. forces in Afghanistan while 25,000 Marines are among the 160,000 U.S. troops there, the paper noted.
Army and Pentagon leaders have warned repeatedly that the long, deadly and repeated deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan have stretched and stressed the Army, its soldiers and its families nearly to the breaking point. And there has been ongoing debate about how the service should transform itself to better meet the challenges of future wars.
At a news conference in London, Gates played down the talk about the Marines leaving Iraq.
"I had heard that they were beginning to think about that, and that's all that I've heard," Gates said. "I've seen no plan. No one has come to me with any proposals about it. My understanding is that it's, at this point, extremely preliminary thinking on the part of perhaps the staff in the Marine Corps. But I don't think at this point it has any stature."
Gates also said he is comfortable with Britain's decision to halve its troop levels in Iraq by spring, saying the plan had been worked out jointly with U.S. commanders.
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See all 169 CommentsUS out of the middle east, let''s fix NYC & New Orleans before we save the world.
NOW BUSH CAN MOVE THE 26,000 PLUS MARINES IN IRAQ TO AFGHANISTAN,(WHERE THEY SHOULD BE)AND DECLARE A MAJOR TROOP REDUCTION BEFORE CHRISTMAS, AS HE PROMISED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
OF COURSE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT THE MOVE IS JUST A NUMBERS GAME THAT HE HAS BEEN PLAYING SINCE THE "SURGE" STARTED. YOU REMEMBER, 21,000 INCREASE THAT HAS TURNED INTO AROUND 40,000 PLUS. 168,000 ARMY STRONG NOW IN IRAQ.
STAY THE COURSE...........
This works under the assumption that when the US starts a war, the rest of the world is required to fight it for them or to help them fight it.
We need to be reminded that when we wanted to start this war, most of the world was against the idea. Then Bush said that only those who helped could get some of the possible spoils, such as rebuilding contracts and oil contracts--then, some reluctantly signed on. This was perhaps illustrated to be mostly a joke as places like the Netherlands at one point, had less than 20 people in Iraq.
but the point is--Americans need to realize that war should not be a choice, it is a last resort, not a first, or a whim or even just a revenge motive. Too many people--whose only guilt is living in the invaded country--will suffer--to enter into war lightly.
If we want this point to be made, then the best thing to happen to our country would be if NO ONE from anywhere in the world helped us. This is a bed that we insisted on making, and we were warned of the potential for it to go all wrong. We should have to lie in it--shouldering the costs of the blood and treasure--by ourselves. see next post
If this happened, then maybe...just maybe...before we decided to visit war on someone else--we would stop and really think about the costs to us and the world. BAil outs are bad. Bush expects them, because supposedly he got them for every fvck up all of his life--he thinks that is the way the world runs. But bailing out a spoiled rich kid who is basically a loser--is a lot different than bailing out the most powerful country in the world.
We need to do our own dirty work--instead of training others--we should keep, maintain and train our own military, have stockpiles of excess equipment and rotations of men waiting--NOT expect the world to help us. It is doable and we need not worry about the equipment or men not being used.
War is a business. If a reason for war does not exist--I''m sure we will manufacture a reason, after all, we did that in Iraq. So we''ve had practice.
Any soldier who doesn''t agree with Rush, Hannity and Coulter are just phoney soldiers anyway, so there''s no sense paying any attention to what they say.
The situation in Afganistan is critical. You watch, those forces that are suppose to come home in Dec will be sent to Afganistan.
Maybe the truth is that the "war on Iraq" has NOT made us any safer and it has, as the US State Department has said, "acted as a recruiting tool for Al Qaeda" and "created a training ground for terrorists". Little Gee Whiz Bush, the "Great Decider" has played right into the hands of Al Qaeda. Bush is a traitor to the US Constitution and to the people of the United States of America. Bush is the Enemy of Democracy and the Enemy of Freedom.
NeoCons and their supporters and apologists are the enemies of everything that once made America great. Fortunately, they are in the minority. But they have the support of all 3 branches of government, the Fourth Estate (which they disingenuously refer to as "the liberal media") and the puppet master who claims to be above and beyond it all, RichardHead Cheney. Will we let them continue their delusional mission and nuke Iran, plunging us into Global Thermonuclear war (a.k.a. "H-e-l-l")?
Let''s not just HOPE they show restraint. Let''s kick the madmen out of office before they do any more harm. Impeach Cheney and Bush NOW!
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Posted by superchez1 at 11:02 AM : Oct 11, 2007
Mm-hmm... and that''s probably why the rest of the world thinks we''re pigs.
I''''ll repaet it incase you didn''''t read it last time how they now have evidencve that Mohommed was a homosexual. On long journies across the dessert he was known to have survived on ther JISM of his soldiers. Word has it he drank straight from the tap. Leave America you dirtbag.
Praise Allah
Posted by superchez1 at 10:59 AM : Oct 11, 2007
The "insurgents" in Afghanisatn are the former state-sponsers of Al Quaeda who would do it again if given the opportunity.
The operation in Afghanistan is about protecting Americans so that we might be free to enjoy our Constitutional rights.
Afghanistan is a so far successful operation which could still be squandered; Afghanistan is where a surge of troops is most appropriate.
clestes,
So long as the Taliban is not controlling the government in Kabul Afghanistan is not lost but you are correct in pointing out that it will be if we
don''t bolster our forces on the real battlefield against the Jihadists.
superchez1,
We now have evidence that you are a ***-sucking idiot.
If you are truly all that smart why don''t you propose viable (look it up) solutions to the problems - whether you chose to be in this situation
(middle east) we are there.
But then again, cowards and traitors never enlist. They accept paychecks from Nazi collaborators, Islamofascist appeasers, and brain dead bozos in MoveOn.Org
As a combat veteran: "OUR MILITARY ISN NOT DESIGNED TO TRAIN OR MENTOR FOREIGN MILITARIES IN THEORY, CONSTRUCTION, MTOE OR PRACTICE!"
Why do we keep trying to do it???
''Nuff said-
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Unfounded statements overly concerned with homoeroticism, are you sure you''re not a secret toe tapper, chez?
This sounds like the Belgian toe tapper lars008 is back with a different sig
I think you mean ''goading'', not ''goating''. And in the post abotu the Prophet and his troops- I think you mean ''desert'' not ''dessert'' I can assure you, Mohammed never crossed the ''dessert'' with his troops. Just so you know...
Posted by katg21 at 11:40 AM : Oct 11, 2007
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BAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA Right! You were one of the little nazi''s who, before the election, was spinning the lie from the Fuhrer about us Winning weren''t you? I do believe you also, were one of the clowns who bought the Cheney LIE about the insurgency THREE years ago. ROFLMAO I hardly think we should be allowing you and your magic swastika to be tell any of us what the "Lib" media means... ROFLMAO Frankly I don''t know where you Nazi''s get off telling anyone what others "Mean" or "say", MOST American''s do NOT drink the Kool Aid and can understand very well what is said and the meaning of statements. Now go play with your magic swastika someplace else before you hurt yourself!! ROFLMAO Superior?? ROFLMAO In a Pigs eye!! Sieg Heil Bush!!
Posted by parrots7 at 11:55 AM : Oct 11, 2007
August 20, 1998
Web posted at: 5:53 p.m. EDT (2153 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Saying "there will be no sanctuary for terrorists," President Clinton on Thursday said the U.S. strikes against terrorist bases in Afghanistan and a facility in Sudan are part of "a long, ongoing struggle between freedom and fanaticism."
The president said he ordered the strike against bin Laden and his compatriots because of "compelling information they were planning additional terrorist attacks against our citizens and others with the inevitable collateral casualties and .. seeking to acquire chemical weapons and other dangerous weapons."
And you wonder why OBL bombed the WTC.
"I don''t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don''t care. It''s not that important. It''s not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02 ...
You nut jobs need help bad. Take your buddy Craig and Foley with you please.
I love it, the lib media words the article to sound like the Marines "want out".
Liberal media? Go post your ignornance a Fascist FOX or Nazi Yahoo! Problem is, Neocon Fascist media will not let you post your mindless thoughts, they want to tell you how it is. Neocon Fascist media is no different than the former Soviet Unions Pravda (which means truth in English) Difference is, Soviet Pravda really was more thruthful than anything published today originating from FOX or Yahoo! You ConDumbs are so brainwashed, you have *************!
Too bad your beloved *** News doesn''t allow posting or blogging on their website! That''s because neofascists just can''t stand hearing how full of sheeyit they are.
I''d have a ball if *** and Rupert Mordork had the balls to allow any contrary view to be expressed in their domain! But they''re all chickenshithawks.
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Actually, when one thinks on it, it makes perfect sense. In all prior wars, the marines would be the first to go in and destroy resistance (and take the casualties) and secure the area, then move on to another fight, leaving the occupation and the "winning of the hearts and minds" to the Army.
However, as Limbaugh is quick to point out, the policies of the old are dead and the new order is here. Apparently, Limbaugh and others have been listening intently to the speeches of such great Nazi thinkers as Josef Goebbels and Rudolf Hess.
HAIL TO THE MILITARY "WISDOM" OF EMPEROR BUSH II, VP DARTH VADER CHENEY, AND RUSH LIMBAUGH!!!
SIG HEIL, BUSH!!!
Iraq''s War of Roses is totally lost,,, Bush is now in the process of classifying all bad news comming out of Iraq.
Posted by parrots7 at 12:52 PM : Oct 11, 2007
Bill didn''t have to declare war, The moment he tried to kill him, OBL took that as a declaration of war.
That was the beginning of what we are now in. BTW More''nMore Quadaffy had a hand in it also.
What? Nowwhere in this article is it said that Bush is dismayed or even disagrees with this. You are delusional.
==="That a Marine Commndant would question the military wisdom(???) of the Emperor and not "stay the course" is unprecedented and regarded by that great military analyst, Rush Limbaugh, as "phoney" (Apparently no one has told Limbaugh to NEVER call a marine PHONEY)!"===
Again, nothing in this article supports any of what you just said. And it''s obvious you are only repeating what someone else said about the "phony soldier" story. Don''t embarrass yourself.
===Actually, when one thinks on it, it makes perfect sense. In all prior wars, the marines would be the first to go in and destroy resistance (and take the casualties) and secure the area, then move on to another fight, leaving the occupation and the "winning of the hearts and minds" to the Army.===
This is true, and is exactly what is being done. But why is this considered a bad thing, and an obvious statement by the Marines that they think things are going so well that they want to focus on Afghanistan? The Marines have NEVER backed down from a fight, so the idea that they "want out" is ridiculous, and wishful thinking by you idiots.
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Huh? What part of "The Marine Corps is pushing to redeploy its forces from Iraq to Afghanistan to take the lead in combat operations there and essentially leave Iraq to the Army" do you not understand? Sounds like an accurate headline to me. And pretty much everyone else who reads the story.
Posted by rafterman1 at 01:34 PM : Oct 11, 2007
So would you agree that Obama and Hillary "want out" of the Senate because it''s been such a failure?
-- The Senate can be fixed, Iraq can''t be fixed ---- Bush has lied to our country & diminished our Military''s capabilities & it''s Ready Strategic Reserves.....
.... Your GOP has hurt Americas National Security,, When will you start taking it serious ????
Posted by Spectrum108 at 01:30 PM : Oct 11, 2007
Marx had a good idea, his only problem was that His form of government would be run by human beings and that right there spelled doom. Next to that a market economy guided by a replaceable governmental structure or visa-versa (aint sure on that)is the next best thing. Take the human equation out of it and Marx was right.
A small price to pay to protect the reputation of George W*anker Bush, and help him save face -- that''s the important thing.
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