FAA Issued Warning For Skydivers' Plane

Difficulties Flying At High Altitudes In Icy Situations Noted In Directive Last Year

(CBS/AP)  The Federal Aviation Administration has warned in recent years that pilots should avoid flying the Cessna Caravan 208 in many icy situations after receiving reports that pilots had difficulty maintaining altitude and control of the aircraft during such conditions.

A cold front had just swept through the area near White Pass where a Cessna Caravan 208 plane went down on Sunday evening, killing nine skydivers and the pilot, but officials have not said whether such conditions might have contributed to the crash.

The temperature at White Pass was 33 degrees at 5,800 feet, it was overcast with light precipitation, and probably clouded over between about 4,500 feet and 5,800 feet, between 7 p.m. and 8 p.m. Sunday, said Carl Cerniglia, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.

"It was not ideal flying weather, by any means," Cerniglia told The Associated Press.

Asked if such conditions could cause a plane to ice up, Cerniglia said, "Temperatures were cool enough and moisture was high enough where that could have been a possibility."

Julianne Hezlep didn't have a good feeling about the flight as her boyfriend, Andy Smith, boarded the plane.

"I told him not to get on that plane, I told him to stay here with me," she said at a memorial gathering Tuesday.

Mike Robertson, an aviation safety inspector for the FAA, representing the National Transportation Safety Board, assessed the crash site Tuesday.

There was no explosion or fire, Robertson said, but he refused to speculate on any cause and refused to discuss whether weather could have been a factor.

"It was a pretty extensive crash site," Nisha Marvel, spokeswoman for the state Department of Transportation's aviation division, said. "The aircraft was in pieces. It's rough, rugged terrain, and it took about 35 volunteers to comb that recovery area today to find the remaining passengers that had died in the crash."

All 10 bodies have now been recovered. Tuesday's focus was on removing the bodies; Wednesday's focus will be on the aircraft, he said.

Last year, the FAA issued a directive that operators post placards in Cessna Caravan 208 cockpits warning that "continued flight after encountering moderate or greater icing conditions is prohibited."

It updated the directive in June, noting that Wichita, Kan.-based Cessna had issued an icing equipment supplement to the aircraft's flight manual and developed a low airspeed awareness system for flying into icy conditions.

The Cessna model has been involved in 58 accidents in the United States since 2000, 13 of them fatal, NTSB records show.

Not counting this week's tragedy, 28 people have been killed in accidents involving the Caravan, including 10 aboard a plane that crashed shortly after taking off from Dillingham, Alaska, in October 2001. The FAA attributed the cause of that crash to "inadequate removal of ice accumulated while the airplane was on the ground."

The Transportation Safety Board of Canada has determined that Caravans shouldn't fly in anything more than light icing conditions, the Winnipeg Sun newspaper reported last year.

That decision stemmed from an October 2005 crash that killed a pilot minutes after takeoff. An investigation found that ice buildup on critical surfaces of the plane kept it from maintaining altitude.

The plane that crashed Sunday had been returning from a skydiving meet in Idaho, headed to Shelton, Wash., northwest of Olympia.

A hunter in the crash area had alerted authorities Sunday night that a plane might have been in trouble. Tom Peterson of the state Department of Transportation said the hunter saw the aircraft's lights, and "thought the engine sounded like it was working really hard and whining loudly, and then silence after that."

Searchers found the wreckage Monday night after following the scent of fuel to the crash site.

The wreckage was found in rugged terrain just east of the crest of the Cascades on the edge of the Goat Rocks Wilderness at an elevation of 4,300 feet, within 200 yards of its last radar ping, authorities said.

Family, friends and officials said the victims were Casey Craig, of Bothell; Hollie Rasberry, 24, of Bellingham; Michelle Barker, 22, of Kirkland; Landon Atkin, 20, of Snohomish; Ross, 28, of Snohomish; Cecil Elsner, 20, of Lake Stevens; Andrew Smith, 20, of Lake Stevens; Bryan Jones, 34, of Redmond; Ralph Abdo, whose age and hometown were unavailable; and pilot Phil Kibler, 46, of the Seattle area.

[tmb63]

Our jump pilots are amazing. They fly steady and keep us safe. I''m confident with the information he had available his choice to fly was appropriate. Accidents happen, weather changes, conditions are unknown. People are grieving; angry uninformed blame is hideous.

[dmc691]

door&seats were in the plane door locked thanks faa reg over2 hr flight my son casey is coming home only by DNA and 9 outher thanks casey dad

[dmc691]

My son casey craig was on the plane, and he loved doing what he was doing and he use to say Go Big Or Go Home! thanks dennis craig
p.s this was a terrible plane accident not skydiving but swe believe the cessna 208 should not be flown in icy weather what a tragic mistake.

[gliderguy52]

Here''s a thought as to why the jumpers may have stuck with the aircraft rather than exit. This is purely speculative on my part.

The skydivers were being transported from a drop zone in Idaho back to their home DZ in Washington. Since this flight was not a "jump flight", there is a good chance the skydivers were flying in the capacity of passengers rather than jumpers. Most C-208''s have a luggage compartment beneath the fuselage which can only be accessed externally. If this was the case, their chutes may have been stored there as luggage, and were inaccessible to them while in flight.

[greeneyes222]

What I get from this article is that icing *might* or *might not* be the cause of the crash. I question why it''s necessary to speculate, since it''s obvious too many people take *might* to mean *was*. It''s not up to the media to present the answers, only the facts, and right now we have precious few.

[alphaa10-2009]

You people are idiots. My dog knows more about aviation than all you morons combined.
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Suggestion-- let your dog show you how to make a smoother landing, next time. (8 )

Also, get a dictionary. An idiot is not a moron, despite some idiots and morons who might think so.

[trenticus-2009]

Isn''t it funny how all of sudden the "warnings" come out of the woodwork and the FAA takes the credit??? Don''t pat yourself on the backs yet FAA... Cessna should be held accountable as well. But as we all know the pilot will get the blame. I believe the blame should be shared by all involved with the operation of this aircraft. I could go on and on but I think I made myself clear.

[retmilspouse]

You people are idiots. My dog knows more about aviation than all you morons combined.

Posted by patmahweenie

Why don''t you go and read articles elsewhere if you think everyone here is an idiot.

[nolalou]

patmahweenie,

10 people died tragically, and all you offer is rude insults!

If this plane has a record of accidents in bad weather, and problems with icing, then it should be grounded.

[hoghunter7mm]

It sounds like many factors are in play here. Since I never know when not to add my two cents here goes: I was a life long sky diver until my wife of 25 years asked me to give it up. We had a rule. The pilot and the plane were our friend up to 700 feet. Above 700 feet if the plane had a problem it was the pilot''s problem. Our azz was out of there. I just have to wonder why nine sky divers went down with a plane in trouble. I''m sure the trouble happened fast but I just do not understand all nine of them going down with the plane. The pilot was 46, not a kid. I am sure he did he did everything in his power to keep the plane up. I am not questioning the role of anyone here. I will pray to God to accept these free-hearted souls. Anyone can fly in a plane, but to fly without one, these young people were my brothers and sisters. I know one fact for sure, you will never, ever, find me in a Cessna Caravan 208. I will walk first.

[my2ndalias]

Kind of ironic that skydivers can die in a plane crash..... If there were icing, would they have had any kind of option to jump?

[alphaa10-2009]

kayo4u said, "Your only options if icing occurs is to get out of the bad weather (flying above to melt the ice by sublimation, turning around, or flying lower into warmer temps). clear ice can be hard to see too."
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Apparently, the pilot hugged the (dangerous terrain) to benefit from warmer air. The option he chose to deal with icing, however, never should have been forced on him by a bad/inadequate de-icing system.

[oscarez]

I''m a private pilot with an instrument rating and more than once, while flying on an IFR flight plan, have encountered icing where there was not suppose to be icing. ATC relies on pilot reports for icing levels. If you are the first in the clouds on a route you may find icing where there should not have been any. Remote areas can be a real problem for icing reports.

[kaiyo4u]

As a private pilot with an instrument rating and learning the commercial certification now, there are many factors involved with flying the general public is not informed of. One of the most dangerous factors of flying is your attitude. The pilot could have been pushed by the customers or any number of things. We simply don''t know at this point and to second guess the pilots mind at the time would be a disservice.
Maybe he didn''t get a weather brief, which is required by my school each time we fly.

We simply don''t know at this time. Be assured, the FAA and the NTSB will make a thorough investigation. They will check all the sources the pilot used or could have used to determine if their flight would be safe.
Icing is a very grave problem for aircraft. It adds a lot of weight, disrupts the airflow over the wing and can if it is clear ice (which it sounds like) will ice up the control surfaces (ailerons, elevator, and rudder). Your only options if icing occurs is to get out of the bad weather (flying above to melt the ice by sublimation, turning around, or flying lower into warmer temps). clear ice can be hard to see too.

[Krazcarl]

THere seams to be some slakness here this is not a car with poor brakes the plane should have never left the hanger and a decent piolet would have been sure.

[alphaa10-2009]

Addressing an urgent matter with the Cessna design, the following FAA directive seems awkward and insufficient, a puzzling response to a known hazard with this commercial aircraft-- "continued flight after encountering moderate or greater icing conditions is prohibited."

Is an FAA directive supposed to fix a problem with icing? We presume Cessna is capable to engineering an effective de-icing system, so why the passive, ineffective response from the FAA?

[lochlan-2009]

You gotta love the FAA. They are one of the few branches of our government that use common sense to deal with a problem. It''s unfortunate this pilot chose not to head their warnings.