Iraq Demands $136M Blackwater Payout

Authorities Also Call On U.S. To Sever All Contracts With Security Firm In Iraq

(CBS/AP)  Iraqi authorities want the U.S. government to sever all contracts in Iraq with Blackwater USA within six months and pay $8 million in compensation to each of the families of 17 people killed when the firm's guards sprayed a traffic circle with heavy machine gun fire last month.

The demands, part of an Iraqi government report examined by The Associated Press, also called on U.S. authorities to hand over the Blackwater security agents involved in the Sept. 16 shootings to face possible trial in Iraqi courts.

CBS News has found the Iraqi witness accounts of the shootings are remarkably consistent.

They say a four-vehicle Blackwater convoy drove into a traffic circle but was blocked by barriers protecting a maintenance crew, reports CBS News correspondent Elizabeth Palmer.

The Blackwater guards threw water bottles, warning the cars to stop, but as one car continued to inch forward, Blackwater started shooting, instantly killing the driver.

The tone of the Iraqi report appears to signal further strains between the government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and the White House over the deaths in Nisoor Square, which have prompted a series of U.S. and Iraqi probes and raised questions over the use of private security contractors to guard U.S. diplomats and other officials.

Al-Maliki ordered the investigation by his defense minister and other top security and police officials on Sept. 22. The findings mark the most definitive Iraqi positions and contentions about the shootings last month.

The report also highlights the differences in death tolls and accounts that have complicated efforts to piece together the chain of events as one Blackwater-protected convoy raced back toward Baghdad's Green Zone after a nearby bombing, while a second back-up team in four gun trucks sped into the square as a back-up team.

The Iraqi investigation charges the four Blackwater vehicles called to the square began shooting without provocation. Blackwater contends its employees came under fire first.

The government, at the conclusion of its investigation, said 17 Iraqis died. Initial reports put the toll at 11.

It said the compensation - totaling $136 million - was so high "because Blackwater uses employees who disrespect the rights of Iraqi citizens even though they are guests in this country."

The U.S. military pays compensation money to the families of civilians killed in battles or to cover property damage, but at far lower amounts.

The United States has not made conclusive findings about the shooting, though there are multiple investigations under way and Congress has opened inquiries into the role of private security contractors. Last week, the FBI took over a State Department investigation, raising the prospect that it could be referred to the Justice Department for prosecution.

The FBI investigation is supposed to wrap up in days, not weeks, adds Palmer. But there is still a lot of work to do. CBS News' investigation turned up many witnesses who have not yet been interviewed.

The Iraqi government report said its courts were to proper venue in which to bring charges.

It said Blackwater's license to operate in Iraq expired on June 2, 2006, meaning it had no immunity from prosecution under Iraqi laws set down after the fall of Saddam Hussein in 2003.

The government report also challenged the claim that a decree in June 2004 by then-Iraqi administrator L. Paul Bremer granted Blackwater immunity from legal action in incidents such as the one in Nisoor Square. The report said the Blackwater guards could be charged under a criminal code from 1969.

U.S. Embassy spokeswoman Mirembe Nantongo said the diplomatic mission would have no comment on the report. Iraq's Interior Ministry spokesman, Abdul-Karim Khalaf, said the document was in American hands.

The report found that Blackwater guards also had killed 21 Iraqi civilians and wounded 27 in previous shootings since it took over security for U.S. diplomats in Baghdad after the U.S. invasion. The Iraqi government did not say whether it would try to prosecute in those cases.

The State Department has counted 56 shooting incidents involving Blackwater guards in Iraq this year. All were being reviewed as part of the comprehensive inquiry ordered by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

[suhaalnafa]

IRAQ IS ARABIC, IT WILL BE ARABIC!

[antoniof123]

It is falling apart at the seams, too bad those that started this ill gotten war of choice aren''t also facing the Iraqi courts. When the US population was tricked into this war by the administration and the lying Powell I was against it and branded a traitor. Now most of America wants out of this war of lies by the administration and yet the minority keeps us there. I hope in 2008 we bring that minority even further down the pipe to maybe out the door forever. They are the traitors to the American Constitution.

[suhaalnafa]

Actually, you see that you failed in you war on terror! And although between 2001 and 2003 I supported the USA aginst the Talibans, I hate the American government after it occupated an Arabic land!

[toolmangler-2009]

Posted by SuhaAlNafa at 04:26 PM : Oct 08, 2007


But in your eyes, it would be alright for Arabs to occupy American lands, right?

[sgtrds]

They are the traitors to the American Constitution.

Posted by antoniof123 at 04:23 PM : Oct 08, 2007

I couldn''t agree more. They are the biggest danger to America since WWII. This administration is a much worse threat to our freedom and to what it means to be an American then every terrorist organization put together.

[drummer94]

136 million. Sure that''s a fair price, considering the billions America is pouring into that he11 hole to be squandered and kicked back in various "projects". LMAO. Pull EVERYONE out, then we won''t have to be responsible for anymore deaths there. While we''re at it lets figure a price for the 3800 G.I.''s who perished. A trillion oughta do it.

[toolmangler-2009]

This administration is a much worse threat to our freedom and to what it means to be an American then every terrorist organization put together.

Posted by SgtRDS at 04:41 PM : Oct 08, 2007


100% agreement, Rands.

I see a big resemblance between Bushy-baby and Ahmadamnutjob. Both of them are lightning rods for the rhetoric and hate being dished out by a dissatisfied constituency in their respective countries. Both of them seem to be patsies for the real Powers That Be. These wars and conflicts will only increase the power base of the (Big Brother wannabe''s) ie, Big Business Families such as The Waltons, Kennedys, Rockefellers, Bushs, Dunlops, Nobels, Westinghouses and several hundred others that have been working very hard to create a perfect world for profit making. One that is totally controlled in their favor.

[oliverdeeds]

There have been set amounts paid to civilians when an innocent relative has been killed, something like $12,000 - 15,000 per death. I don''t see the harm in Iraq upping the ante. Imagine the millions paid to US citizens if any one of their relatives were killed by cops in a shootout. I know this is America, and "that" is Iraq. But in this case, where private contractors are involved in a sovereign nation, Iraq has every right, and duty to its own citizenry to correct what might be an intolerable situation for THEM. As for Blackwater, I think they''re doing a good job of protecting in a severely dangerous situation. Yeah they make good money. But consider the hazards. As usual the media has a one track mind on things like this, with Blackwater already having been condemned regardless of the facts. Once all the facts are out, it will be to late, as they''ve already been judged now.

[toldyouso21]

"Iraqi authorities want the U.S. government to sever all contracts in Iraq with Blackwater USA within six months and pay $8 million in compensation to each of the families of 17 people killed when the firm''s guards sprayed .."

LOL. DREAM ON IRAQ.... I believe the Defense dept has already set the payout amount at 15,000.00 per person or per family which is still more than the normal 600.00 per person that the military pays when they mistakenly kill an Iraqi and it can be proven it was a mistake, the person has ID (birth certificate, etc), is carried to and autopsied in an approved morgue, dies from the initial bullet, bomb or missle*, has gone through arbitration and investigation by our military ...

According to Newsweek in mid 2004, the maximum our military pays for accidental destruction and death is 2000.00 for destroying a home.

*we do not pay for death due to secondary infection, like when a person does not die from a wound right away but infection sets in.

So the 15K is a huge PAYOUT compared to what the military pays--and to think we do all this to these people just so we can control the oil.

Tell us again: "HOW DID OUR OIL GET UNDER THEIR SAND?

[drummer94]

So, who would pay this payof,er,payout? Blackwater? Haliburton? Us? Blackwater et al already got a billion bucks. Whats the prob?

[toldyouso21]

Posted by SuhaAlNafa at 04:26 PM : Oct 08, 2007


But in your eyes, it would be alright for Arabs to occupy American lands, right?


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Posted by ToolMangler at 04:36 PM : Oct 08, 2007

***? Speak to reality NOT your xenophobic paranoia. The fact is that since the crusades, the West has invaded, killed, maimed, bombed the ME and other Arab lands for the past 300 years of so. The numbers of time it was reversed since the 1700''s? NONE

Every time the west invades the east, we talk about how much they are plotting and wanting to take over, kill us and convert us--then we turn around and preemptively do it to them. Who are the real monsters? Get a clue..they can be had for free if you just think.

[condumism]

jinGOPigs offer the USA nothing more than lies, debt, cronyism, hate. jinGOPigs gonna suffer in the November 2008 elections, BIG TIME!

[alphaa10-2009]

CBS reports-- "The tone of the Iraqi report appears to signal further strains between the government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and the White House ..."
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Clearly, Rice and her effort at damage control has gone off the track, completely. Iraqis can see through yet another coverup in the making, after years of such Blackwater incidents.

The Nisoor shootings, coupled with Bush''s continued demand Iraqis sign over oil rights to private oil firms from the US and EU, renders the US all the more clearly a hostile occupying power. Credit Blackwater for hours of anti-American video in the MidEast-- and forget about the effort our troops have made to clean up their image and do local outreach.

Blackwater disproves the Bush idea American military missions can be outsourced without competitive bids to friends and political contributors. Almost all of Blackwater political money went to Bush''s campaign.

Nisour and the oil issue reaffirm for the rest of the world the monstrous arrogance which drove Bush into Iraq, in the first place.

[toolmangler-2009]

Posted by toldyouso21 at 05:23 PM : Oct 08, 2007

That was a question posed to an Arab lady, not you, You have no right to curse at me so stop it, I don''t do it to you. Let her answer, I wanted to see where ''her'' values lay, not yours. You appear to be a terrorist apologist judging by your statement. If so, thats entirely up to you. I personally think you need a new perspective, but again, thats up to you. I am well aware of Americas excesses and also those of other countries. We weren''t the first to ''occupy'' foriegn lands, (check out the Spanish, Vikings, to name a few. BTW, WHO built Jerusalem the first time? The Crusades were not done by the west, they were done by the British. America was the first ''Western Nation'' and we didn''t start until long after the Crusades by the Brits and French and Spanish.

[tbweb]

All the Shiites in Iraq are doing is making the U.S. look silly putting them in power. The U.S. should invade Iraq again, put the Sunnis back in power and tell the Shiites to get back their ungrateful box!

[bareemperor]

Bu$h/Cheney = Blackwater

[rfcnj68]

toldyouso21 Sorry but you are incorrect by saying that no middle eastern country has attacked the US or other European nations since the holy wars. The USSA Cole to start with was performed by ME Terrorists, bombings that have occurred over the last two decades alone all linked to the ME so get off your high horse there are scum on both sides of the fence that benefit from this war.

The sad part of all this is that the stupid people in the general public that refuse to see the truth keep feeding into it. Let%u2019s be honest if you are desperate enough to believe that any God would want you to kill so that you can have 70 virgins or kill in his name in general is ridiculous. People have extorted religion for years to get what they want out of other people and until that stops this BS will continue.

The last thing is that those people will never see any of that 8 million because if Blackwater did pay the government in Iraq would keep all of it or at least most. The people might see 100 thousand.

[toldyouso21]

That was a question posed to an Arab lady, not you, You have no right to curse at me so stop it, I don''''t do it to you. Let her answer, I wanted to see where ''''her'''' values lay, not yours. Posted by Toolmangler

This is a blog. Any information posted on it results in all who view it to be privvy and indeed to jump into it and dialogue. If you just want a one on one conversation, you might want to try direct emailing.
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We weren''''t the first to ''''occupy'''' foriegn lands, (check out the Spanish, Vikings, to name a few. The Crusades were not done by the west, they were done by the British.

The "West" refers to "Western civilization and to most 1st world and some 2nd world countries and includes most of Europe, Scandinavia and North America.

The Crusades was NOT done by the British. The Crusades was the name given to that portion of Islamic-Christian warfare that took place in 1095 to the late 1200s. England was only England then and was actually not a large part of the Crusades. Mostly, it involved Spain, Portugal and other countries of heavily Catholic origin as the "Crusades or Holy war" was decreed by the Pope.

As for apologist to terrorists--you show your ignorance and your tunnel vision in many of your posts. That ***, should be drilled into your forehead so everyone who sees you can see what blatant stupidity looks like and why America has fallen due to mindsets like yours.

[gkc99]

"IRAQ IS ARABIC, IT WILL BE ARABIC! "--Posted by SuhaAlNafa


So what''s going to happen to the Kurds then? Even Saddam''s constitution guaranteed Kurdish autonomy.

Just going to wipe those pesky Kurds out, are you?

[toldyouso21]

toldyouso21 Sorry but you are incorrect by saying that no middle eastern country has attacked the US or other European nations since the holy wars.

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Posted by rfcnj68 at 06:02 PM : Oct 08, 2007

Please reread my post. I said that since their invading the West during the Crusades, the majority of attacks have been by the West to them not the other way around. I was referring to invasion and attacking and occupying a country--NOT individual attacks by noncountries on ships or embassies, etc.

I will reiterate, since the 1700s, there have been no invasions, or occupations of any Western country by any Muslim or Arab country but in the reverse, and even in the 20th and 21st century there have been continual attacks by the West. And for those who do not know who the West is--(like Toolmangler) it refers to primarily European, American, and Scandinavian countries.

[toldyouso21]

-In the 20th Century--name at least one incident of an Arab nation invading and occupying a Western nation anywhere on the planet.
-In the 19th Century--do the same.
NOT attacks by individuals or small groups or terrorists, but government sponsored, declared, and demonstrated invasion, occupation and WAR.

You will find none. (Turkey was considered part of the ME even though it is in Europe) Yet in the 20th Century alone--we have Great Britain invading, occupying and dividing Palestine to repatriate European Jewry and others, because Britain decided they "OWNED" and therefore could give away the land there and based that on Christian and Jewish religious connections. So now we have that lovely mess to contend with.

Russia invaded Afghanistan. America invaded Iraq. Name the Islamic country or Arab country that invaded anywhere in America, Europe or Scand. IN the 18th, 19th or 20th century?

[jimbosouth]

What garbage. These ungrateful SOB''s should spend their time and efforts, which by the way they have because of American sacrifice, making an honest effort to lead their country in a positive and fruitful way. Instead we get nothing but complaints, threats and excuses from Maliki and Co. It''s clear that their election was a bad joke. They need to either lead, follow, or just get the hell out of the way and let the Iraqi people vote again for a governmemnt that cares enough about its'' people to make a real effort to lead and govern.

[drummer94]

This a g@d-d@mn history friggin lesson or an article on Iraquis wanting compensation from someone for deaths of civilians? Sheesh.

[amazedd]

Malpractice, really. Let Badwater''s Co. Insurance handle it, privately, like.

[toldyouso21]

It''''s clear that their election was a bad joke. They need to either lead, follow, or just get the hell out of the way and let the Iraqi people vote again for a governmemnt that cares enough about its'''' people to make a real effort to lead and govern. Posted by jimbosouth at 06:31 PM : Oct 08, 2007


You do realize that Al Maliki was NEVER elected right? he was appointed over 1 year after the elections because Bush did not like the actual elected Prime Minister and Maliki was his pick/

You are also aware that there is no such thing as a Democracy under an occupation. The French Vicchy gov. proved that in WWII when the Germans tried to install a puppet government to pretend their occupation was legitamate.

The reason the government cannot be legitimate is that they cannot answer to the will of their own people but must answer to the occupiers and often are paid by the occupiers--but here is the real rub..

Why does any American think any Iraqi should be grateful to us? After all we''ve done for them? Remember this started based on lies and they had nothing to do with 9/11--then we bombed, invaded, tortured, jailed, them--so why do we think they should cooperate with us?

I agree the money would probably just end up in Maliki''s pockets--but why should an invaded country EVER help the people who are invading it? Who would you help to kick your own azz?

[toldyouso21]

This a g@d-d@mn history friggin lesson or an article on Iraquis wanting compensation from someone for deaths of civilians? Sheesh.


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Posted by drummer94 at 06:35 PM : Oct 08, 2007


History lessons are very important. If more of our leaders and others had heeded those lessons--we would not need to be in the mess we are in Iraq right now. Forging ahead just on emotion and self righteousness is why we are falling apart and destroying Iraq.

[drummer94]

Agreed tys21. We have been saying that very thing for a long time in this forum, and, hopefully, to our "leaders" who really need to be reminded of the lesson. They,obviously, do not listen. "Those that don''t learn from their mistakes, well you know how it goes. I ask again, where is the dough gonna come from and who is gonna take responsibility? The doo just keeps getting deeper and deeper and..........

[intelspec]

The job of protecting U.S Diplomats and U.S Politician or any State Department offical should fall on the shoulders of the U.S military.Not private security contracters,There is no law on books to persecute.This only add more fuel to the fire for insurgents and terrorists groups to post on thier website.Many of my brothers are fighting the war of terror,not for profit but for duty.It should be responbility of U.S Marines Corp,Army Special Forces,NavySeals,AirForces special operation Command,U.S SecretService.Congress and our commanding officer of chief should consider putting us in the protecting of our U.S politican and Diplomats.

[justice571]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E08uwRZL8rw
According to BBC World News: The US invasion of Iraq has effected the greatest civilian displacement in the Middle East since the Palestinian displacement caused by Israel''s founding. Interesting statistic?

[letgodsortem]

Yea, so when does the American Coalition going to have the BALLS to demand that IRAQ get''s off it''s A$$ and pay for all the coalition deaths suffered to "free" them. Because they don''t want to be "FREE", all Saddam did was keep those rag heads in line! Their new government if it can be called that, sure ain''t gonna be able to control the B.S. after all the years of being bred to kill each other. The American coalition needs to pull out of Iraq, call due what is owed them, and let them rag heads kill each other as much as they want, then let God sort em out!! Step out to the borders and be a referee,so when they try to flee kick em back in to be killed and tortured like they wanna be, Or better yet, build a big wall around the whole country and fill it with water, then see if Noah can get another Ark together in time to save the "HOLY" ones. It was a mistake to go to war in Iraq in the first place, it was a pay back for "daddy", but by golly since we''re there, and having our soldiers "DIE" for them, then by GOD Iraq needs to pay for it too!

[incog-nito]

Looks like the tail is starting to wag the dog.

[smirk5]

If you support the Iraqi Gov''t, you must support this. You''re either with them or against them. If you you argue against the Iraqi Gov''t having the authority to make this call, then you argue against the idea that the Iraq Gov''t is sovereign.
Also, notice all the bombs going off in Baghdad while the Iraqi Gov''t isn''t even talking about reconciliation? This is what the Bushies call success in Iraq. 64 troops becoming corpses for even less talks in the Iraqi Gov''t for reconcilation=success if you''re a Con.

[smirk5]

In 2004, Cons voted for 4 more years of digging a deeper hole for ourselves. Progress is being made.

[l8c6]

Perhaps the right wing privatized democracy that was established in Iraq that is building private office complexes on private land that once was public land can set up a private investigation with a private justice serving subsidiary of Halliburton. Just keep big government out of it...at least a public one.

[amazedd]

uh-huh

[roger_inkart]

The Iraqi government demand 136M for the incident and that Blackwater be removed? Awww....that is just adorable. Like _that''s_ gonna happen.

[cattlekate]

whoa Nancey_Naive! Great sleuthing!

CBS - can you follow-up on Nancey''s lead?

[toolmangler-2009]

Posted by toldyouso21 at 06:08 PM : Oct 08, 2007

Really got you riled up. It looks like you get uptight if someone has a different take on things than yourself. I never claimed to have all the answers, that''s why I pose quetions instead of delivering Ironclad facts that no one dare deny.

[canyoutellme-2009]

so, i''m curious... over 100,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed. In some reports, the numbers balloon to 500,000 to 1 million! So, i''ll just keep it simple and say 100,000. Let''s say 1/4 of them are ACTUAL terrorists. That means 75,000 civilians were killed. Let''s say we have to pay them each 8 million dollars. that''s 600,000,000,000 dollars. That''s right... 600 billion dollars. If i were any one of the family members of the Iraqi''s that were killed, i''d SUE the United States for coming into my home and killing my brother/sister/mother/father/son/daughter without me asking them to come "liberate" me.

So, tell me, were there really 100,000 TERRORISTS? I don''t think so. If someone came into OUR land because they hated our president because he''s a warmonger with nuclear weapons and is a threat to the world... what would YOU do? would YOU fight back against our occupiers? Or would you greet them with open arms?? You''d FIGHT THEM OFF!! you would not be a terrorist... you''d be fighting for your right to exist the way you''ve been existing your whole life and for the generations before you.

NeoCONS are just flat stupid for not seeing this. They can''t see past their own noses.

[nothappyatall]

Iraq Demands $136M Blackwater Payout
Authorities Also Call On U.S. To Sever All Contracts With Security Firm In Iraq"

LOL and these are the people the Bush azzwipes claim just LOVE us to pieces and are SOOO grateful we are there to ''liberate'' them!!

"The Iraqi government report said its courts were to proper venue in which to bring charges. "

Good luck collecting from an American firm in an IRAQI court.

Still, would be great if they DO get the money!

[amazedd]

Who makes Ironclads, Fruit o'' the Loom?

[nothappyatall]

"If i were any one of the family members of the Iraqi''''s that were killed, i''''d SUE the United States for coming into my home and killing my brother/sister/mother/father/son/daughte
r without me asking them to come "liberate" me."
CANYOUTELLME

Good luck collecting from IRAQ, have you any idea how impossible it would be for an Iraq citizen to file a suit HERE? Filing fees for starters- $100 here is peanuts, to someone who hasn''t worked in 6 years they don''t have it, lawyer? where do they find a free one?
What if you dont speak English? might be hard to do the court process if you cant read English or speak it. You would also have to FLY to the US court for an appeearance- EACH time there is a delay or postponement or appeal. The US Govt can drag such a case out forever.

[johnax88]

I would like to see each family of each American killed by those fighting against our effort to give them the right to live in peace without being killed by their neighbor the same amount and have it paid for by the government elected by the people of Iraq.

We need to get out and get out now. Though the Democrats were elected to get us out of the war they continue to happily fund it month after month. All this in their efforts to "suppot our troops" as sons, daughters, fathers and mothers die because of the support provided by the Democrats.

What is even more unbelievable is that the Democratic front runners all seem to think it is a great idea to keep being involved in that country for years to come.

Sounds like a clear case of aggression on the part of Democrats.

John

[canyoutellme-2009]

Newster, i''m with you... however, there are thousands of lawyers in the US who speak their language or are willing to learn it... as long as they get their "fee" of 20-30-40% or more. They can file on their behalf and the plaintiff doesn''t even need to appear in court, just the lawyer on the plaintiff''s behalf. If it''s a classaction suit then it''s just the lawyer. Of COURSE the US can drag it out forever... however if the REST of the international community threatens SANCTIONS on the US for doing so, then guess what will happen... yep, we''d process that faster than you can say "the SURGE is over". By "Sactions" I mean.... no nation shall sell the US any OIL product. No nation shall sell the US any raw materials such as steel, wood, etc... Guess what would happen to the US then!! Or hey, how about the nations in the middle east just threaten to move to the Euro instead of the Dollar for OIL. POOF there goes the value of our dollar (which is sinking lately btw). So, you tell me... can the gov''t drag it out? SURE they can... but with enough international pressure, it''ll be done quickly.

[cattlekate]

CBS - Didn''t the USA, in its Invasion and Occupation manifesto, specifically state mercenaries are exempt from all Iraqi laws?

And State Dept guards are exempt from all International laws?

So the 136M wouldn''t put a dent in Erik Prince''s, (the Blackwater founder, Christian fundamentalist, and receiver of no-bid contracts, contributions to the RNC?

Well, that''s a relief.

http://www.newsmeat.com/ceo_political_donations/Erik_Prince.php

The 136M will just come from my taxes.

[prinzowhales]

Secretary of State CondumLizard Lice, wants a bunch of GS10 equivalents to ride around with these fat over-the-hill gangbangers with cameras to make sure they play pretty while they work. This seems like an awful lot to ask her State Department minions...but thats what "the little people" are here for...Is this going to come at Blackwater''s expense? I don''t think so.

''Sovereign Iraq''?!......HA!

[ladyelec]

Pull out and tell them to eat poop.

[arthurcl1]

This is exactly why the "fired" Generals on the ground objected to putting more troops in Harms Way and why they are dubious about "partnering" with the IRAQI troops - This was probably an inside job!
The Military Brass want to hide these events to try and distort the realities of this Civil War in IRAQ. US TROOPS are viewed as "occupiers" no longer liberators... and thus, just as much a problem as the insurgents to the ultimate stability of their country!
These are IRAQI citizens people and whether you want to label them "yankess" or "rebs" neither of them are Americans and it is their destiny to decide the fate of their country!
You read the reports about IRANIANS traing Shia Militia and in IRAN and the other 100 Muslim Nations you read about the US Training Shia Security Forces - PLEASE TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE!!!
This is the type of deceit that Bush has been shielding from America for over four years in order to keep US Support behind Keeping our Soldiers in HARMS WAY - with Cheerleaders like Cheney saying on CNN - that we are making enormous progress in IRAQ - STATE of DENIAL!

How Tragically SAD!

[toolmangler-2009]

Posted by Amazedd at 07:35 PM : Oct 08, 2007


Yankees made one and so did the Rebs, (Monitor & Merrimac). If F.O.T.L. made one it might be researched in the ''briefs'' section

[amazedd]

Monitor & Merrimac, the bifocals?