Husband's Calls To Airport Came Too Late

Phoenix Police Say Call Logs Show Authorities Were Warned Too Late To Save Dead Woman

(AP)  The husband of a New York woman who died in police custody made his first call to warn airport authorities here that his wife was suicidal 70 minutes after she was pronounced dead, according to police.

On Thursday, Phoenix police released transcripts of Noah Gotbaum's phone calls inquiring about the welfare of his wife, Carol Anne Gotbaum, that were placed on the same afternoon she was arrested and later found dead in a holding room at Sky Harbor International Airport on Sept. 28.

But a police review of call logs showed Noah Gorbaum's earliest call to Sky Harbor on that day came at 4:39 p.m., a little more than an hour after she died, police said Friday.

The department issued a statement that said police "had no information about her personal issues prior to her arrest and death."

Carol Gotbaum's cause of death is still under investigation and will likely not be available for at least two weeks, the Maricopa County Medical Examiner said.

The 45-year-old mother of three and stepdaughter-in-law of New York's public advocate was on her way to alcohol rehabilitation in Tucson, Ariz., when she was arrested on a disorderly conduct charge after causing a disturbance in the airport terminal.

Surveillance video show her running through an airport terminal, bowing abruptly as she appeared to yell and then resisting arrest as three officers try to control her.

After police handcuffed Carol Gotbaum behind her back, she locked her legs as officers held her by the arms and pushed her, still standing, through the terminal at Sky Harbor, the video shows.

Police released the video Thursday and their report on her arrest amid allegations from Gotbaum's family that officers manhandled her before her death.

The family and the attorney have said they will not comment during a mourning period that ends early next week.

Noah Gotbaum has said he exchanged several phone calls with his wife during her two-hour layover at Sky Harbor.

He called emergency dispatchers before learning of his wife's death to say she was in a deep depression and suicidal, according to the police report.

But police said Friday in a statement that Carol Gotbaum "died prior to any call being made by Mr. Noah Gotbaum to the Airport Communications Center and prior to the Phoenix Police Department Airport officers having any information about her."

Police said Carol Gotbaum was shackled to a bench and left alone in a holding room where she was later found unconscious and not breathing, with the chain from the shackle pulled against the front of her neck.

Carol Gotbaum was pronounced dead by Phoenix Fire Department paramedics at 3:29 p.m. and the first call from her husband to the Airport Communications Center came in at 4:39 p.m., police said Friday.

[keithle1]

Why didn''t the husband take her to rehab?

[nexgen99]

This man new his wife was suicidal and so fragile, yet he allowed her to travel alone. Something is very suspicious with this family.

If this was my wife I would have been there escorting her every step of the way.

[scottyusa]

This story leaves a lot to be desired. Why was her husband calling the airport after her flight had left? Did he know she missed it and was in custody? Was he calling from a cell phone while on his way to the airport? What? What? What? What prompted his call? I agree with the many posts that state she should have been escorted by a family member; however she stated she needed help right off so why was she left in a room all by herself? No one asked her about the help she sought? No one tried to talk to her other than to bark orders? Like I said before; you can expect swift overreaction at airports if you do something out of the ordinary. Everyone wants to be a hero.

[charlesdjohn]

Depressed people want to be alone, she probably did not want him with her.....

Personally, I think the security personnel killed her!

[barbaraf4]

"(AP) The husband of a New York woman who died in police custody made his first call to warn airport authorities here that his wife was suicidal 70 minutes after she was pronounced dead, according to police."

It sounds like the police are trying on a new defense. Personally, I don''t think you can commit suicide with a pair of handcuffs (unless you use them to slash your wrists). I certainly don''t know why they left the cuffs on her once she was locked in the "cell". First it was "accidental" and now they are planting the seed of "suicide".

I still believe the airport security people need higher standards and better training. Most appear to be high school dropouts, who received 5 hours training before being given a gun and a badge. They have almost unlimited authority in their jobs, but I don''t think they are qualified to make the decisions they do.

[moon15108]

You sent her to rehab on her own? Cold fish.

[flreason]

Even curiouser is that she was shackled to a bench! The idea of leaving someone shackled to a bench for an hour is unimaginable. Airport security should have summoned paramedics to administer a tranquilizer within minutes of restraining her with shackles. It is also important that the story was amended to say she was shackled, rather than handcuffed as originally reported.

As for the husband not accompanying her--they had children, his mother works, so someone had to be there for the kids. If her behavior was that out-of-control, it''s also likely that the family is exhausted from trying to cope with her illness. You don''t always make the best decisions under those circumstances.

Regarding the phone calls, let''s give the husband the benefit of the doubt. It sounds as if, knowing her mental state, he was trying to keep in touch and manage her as best he could from a distance. Since the flight from Phoenix to Tucson is a short one, he may have become concerned when he didn''t hear from her that she had arrived at her destination. All speculation that will undoubtedly be revealed in time, but I don''t think that his behavior was suspicious or negligent.

[brianbwb-2009]

I am still wondering how she could strangle herself with her hands cuffed behind her, all the new info does not address this question....

[cyinzl8r]

Blame is being placed on everyone except who it should be on, The woman. She was out of control, she got herself detained, she got herself in this situation. I would have locked a raving lunatic in a room too. What are you going to do with her? For gods sake, people do what they have to do when confronted with a situation. It''s real easy to sit in your chair and second guess and assign blame, but you weren''t there. Someone said that they should have called the paramedics to come and shoot her with a tranquilizer. Yea right, They won''t give you an aspirin let alone a shot. She was suicidal, out of control and could not be dealt with, she got what she wanted, she''s dead. The family should put the blame where it belongs, on themselves. I''m sure she didn''t just go "nuts" that day, she was probably sick for a long time and the family lets her go by herself to check into rehab. Sue, sue, sue- money, money, money. The family is already posturing themselves. Jeez.

[bobpcoll--2008]

I agree with those who state that the husband, or family member, would have been expected to accompany the woman to rehab. After all, isn''t the " need for rehab " a statement of the need for support?

[knyghtwolf]

In defense of some rehab clinics, especially voluntary or walk in clinics allow you sign yourself in. Second, all this "new" information just seems to fit together too well, little cover here, little cover there. I tried to simulate her being handcuffed to a table, bench, even a post, and I could not get my cuffs anywhere near my neck. My daughter who is extremely flexible and athletic tried it and could not do it. Something is VERY wrong here. Security or not, NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO BE LEFT IN ANY KIND OF DETENTION FACILITY ALONE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. SUICIDE OR OTHERWISE. VISIBLE OBSERVATION IS REQUIRED AT ALL TIMES. THAT IS THE STATE AND FEDERAL LAW.

[myidoncbs]

brainbwb asks, "how she could strangle herself with her hands cuffed behind". After thinking it over, their story has changed, from "she choked herself on her handcuffs" to "shackled to a bench and left alone in a holding room where she was later found unconscious and not breathing, with the chain from the shackle pulled against the front of her neck."

You can%u2019t pull a chain across the front of your own neck and hold it there while you pass out, and keep holding it there until you die a few minutes later, UNLESS you have hung yourself upside down with your weight pressed against the chain! They CHANGED their story. Soon, they''ll probably claim she was "on drugs" and so she "deserved to die".

To those who blame the husband for not being with her: 1) You don''t know if the husband and wife were in the same state when she started the trip. 2) You don''t know why she was traveling alone. 3) You don''t know WHEN she became depressed and suicidal. Maybe she was OK before she got to that airport, and then she got upset and called her husband on the phone. Then he called the airport, but it was too late (supposedly).

The cop''s story is so outrageous, so unbelievable, their conduct was so unreasonable, and their neglect of this clearly distraught woman is so obvious, that it amazes me that so many people want to blame the victim, just so they can continue to sleep at night, safe in the fantasy that "cops are good", "the government will protect me", "tyranny is Freedom", etc.

[complexities]

There is a difference between having suicidal ideation and actually committing suicide. Generally speaking, most people only commit suicide when they have give up all hope. It is the hopelessness that takes them over the edge. As long as they have some hope, suicide is not imminent.

It is also extremely common for deeply depressed people to experience suicidal ideation. But only a few actually carry out the act.

This woman exhibited hope in that she was on her way to receive treatment. Therefore, while having suicidal ideation, she had not yet entered the final stage of hopelessness.

Once she missed her flight and was arrested, that very well may have sent her over the edge. Flying alone would not have pushed her to suicide. But being arrested and left handcuffed/shackled in a holding cell - while simultaneously missing her plane to he treatment center - could very well have pushed her to the level of hopelessness, and, therefore, suicide.

What I do agree with is that our airport security needs to be better qualified and trained. It''s clear they had no idea what was going on, and I strongly doubt they even contemplated the idea that her behavior may be one of incredible fear and an emotional overload. She may have also been experience withdrawal from alcohol. There is such a high focus on terrorism that airport security have completely forgotten that there are other reasons for people to behave erratically.

[myidoncbs]

cyinzl8r says we should blame "the woman" because she was "out of control".

cyinzl8r, this country is FULL of people with various mental problems. It is the RESPONSIBILITY of the rest of society to try to protect ourselves from them, and to protect them from themselves. The LYING cops have succeeded in getting you to blame the victim. You are part of the problem, buddy, not part of the solution!

[lucy-in-tx]

Why would/how could the Phoenix Police Department have ANY prior knowledge about this poor woman unless they had been alerted beforehand. Since she was acting out of control how could the police know anything about her other than the way she was acting.
Her family, espeically her husband, should be held accountable and/or responsible in some way for allowing her to travel unescorted knowing that she was suicidal. If nothing else, it seems they would have had a friend, or even hired a traveling companion to accompany her, or even a nurse. The family certainly does not appear to be, nor do they act destitute.

[mediabrat60]

The only time you can make a comment like the one MyIDonCBS''s is if you have been as distraught as this Carol Anne Gotbaum and not have gotten help. The media never gets the right information the first time around because they are so eager to report. This woman and her family do not want the bad publicity so of course they are going to blame all other circumstances, besides, that''s typical in a tagic situation.

[jeanner6]

She needed to have her family escort her to rehab and give her the support she needed and deserved. If her husband knew she was suicidal, why wasn''t he there? Maybe he wanted her dead....Hmmmmmm.

[gronamox-2009]

Why wasn''t she let on the plane? In the old days, before our government turned fascist, travel services would do anything to help an American consumer. They would hold a plane at the gate to allow you to get on. Today, everyone in the this "free" country is treated with suspicion or the insidious phrase "as a person of interest." What are local police doing in a federal jurisdiction of an national airport? Why weren''t the officers named in the press; has this happened before; do the Phoenix police normally carry shackles; and why weren''t the officers immediately arrested and charged with attempted murder. Let them have their day in court: I have never heard of this kind of crime in 58 years. Why is the press quoting a husband, who is not a psychiatrist, as saying she was suicidal. She certainly sounded normal to me-I would have told these Phoenix rubes off for purposely
causing me to miss my flight. Did they turn the lights off for the hour they left her alone? Had they already strangled her before they shackled her-cops like to cover their *****. Could the Phoenix police department replace the robotic moron who speaks for them. He obviously knows they are culpable and shows no sign of remorse for having killed her. She did not commit suicide, this was not misadventure, this is an obvious protocol to cover up a murder with cop speak.

[gronamox-2009]

Why wasn''t she let on the plane? In the old days, before our government turned fascist, travel services would do anything to help an American consumer. They would hold a plane at the gate to allow you to get on. Today, everyone in the this "free" country is treated with suspicion or the insidious phrase "as a person of interest." What are local police doing in a federal jurisdiction of an national airport? Why weren''t the officers named in the press; has this happened before; do the Phoenix police normally carry shackles; and why weren''t the officers immediately arrested and charged with attempted murder. Let them have their day in court: I have never heard of this kind of crime in 58 years. Why is the press quoting a husband, who is not a psychiatrist, as saying she was suicidal. She certainly sounded normal to me-I would have told these Phoenix rubes off for purposely
causing me to miss my flight. Did they turn the lights off for the hour they left her alone? Had they already strangled her before they shackled her-cops like to cover their *****. Could the Phoenix police department replace the robotic moron who speaks for them. He obviously knows they are culpable and shows no sign of remorse for having killed her. She did not commit suicide, this was not misadventure, this is an obvious protocol to cover up a murder with cop speak.

[gronamox-2009]

Why wasn''t she let on the plane? In the old days, before our government turned fascist, travel services would do anything to help an American consumer. They would hold a plane at the gate to allow you to get on. Today, everyone in the this "free" country is treated with suspicion or the insidious phrase "as a person of interest." What are local police doing in a federal jurisdiction of an national airport? Why weren''t the officers named in the press; has this happened before; do the Phoenix police normally carry shackles; and why weren''t the officers immediately arrested and charged with attempted murder. Let them have their day in court: I have never heard of this kind of crime in 58 years. Why is the press quoting a husband, who is not a psychiatrist, as saying she was suicidal. She certainly sounded normal to me-I would have told these Phoenix rubes off for purposely
causing me to miss my flight. Did they turn the lights off for the hour they left her alone? Had they already strangled her before they shackled her-cops like to cover their *****. Could the Phoenix police department replace the robotic moron who speaks for them. He obviously knows they are culpable and shows no sign of remorse for having killed her. She did not commit suicide, this was not misadventure, this is an obvious protocol to cover up a murder with cop speak.

[complexities]

Many people seem confused by the manner in which she was restrained.

She was BOTH: handcuffed AND shackled.

Her hands were in handcuffs behind her back. The handcuffs were then shackled (simply a chain) to the bench.

People are capable of pulling their arms from behind them to the front while in handcuffs. If she attempted to do this, the shackle would then be brought to the front while still being attached to the bench, placing considerable force on the shackle with her in the middle between the bench and shackle.

As to whether she committed suicide or whether it was accidental, I have no idea and I''m not sure we will ever know definitely. A lot of it depends on the length of the shackle and her ultimate position upon death.

I think the thing that gets me the most is that her behavior, both before and during the arrest, was clearly out of control. It could have been due to any number of things, many of which are medical in nature. Whenever a person exhibits out of control behavior, a doctor should be called in immediately. Security personnel do not have the education nor training to determine whether there is a medical emergency or not. ONLY a doctor can make that determination. Therefore, a doctor should ALWAYS be called in anytime a person exhibits any kind of erratic behavior.

[enoughya]

Funny, whenever police arrive at the scene, and most often when no crime has been committed, somebody always ends up being tasered or killed. Screaming in an airport over unjust treatment from an airline that overbooks and misses connecting flights is really not hurting anybody, and yet the fat thug officers are going to immediatly throw a woman to the ground and constrain her as if she was really any threat to anybody. It seems like police are becoming as much a threat to civil society as criminals. We are becoming a Nazi police state, as police are never held accountable for their very frequent abuses of power. Sue the begeebers out of these cops.

[dpmo44]

This story is just so tragic. From the lousy assessment by security personnel initially, inappropriate use of force during, and finally unsupervised detainment of this woman to the point they find her dead in the holding cell. ????

Yes, she was manhandled and mismanaged by poorly trained security personnel down the line-that is obvious to anyone with a lick of common sense.

But all the money from well-deserved civil damages her family will win in the future will not bring this woman back for the family and especially the 3 small children she leaves behind.

The veneer of civilization is mighty thin in this country...and getting thinner all the time.

After his autopsy results are published, I''m hoping Dr. Wecht,M.D.,J.D. will *plant the seed* that reform is needed in law enforcement tactics across this country. If anyone can do it, Cyril can.

[mjpage]

This is such a sad situation, but I think the police acted appropriately. Many of us have seen someone throwing a fit in a public place... just because they''re acting like a jerk doesn''t lead us to believe they''re close to death and need a doctor. Hindsight is 20/20. I don''t think a reasonable person in that situation would''ve assumed that this woman needed immediate medical care. I think it was a tragic, freak accident and nothing more.

[sharpe27]

I can''t believe the paranoid comments and delusions I am reading here from the blame the cops crowd. As more and more information comes to light (video, husbands concerns) it becomes more obvious to the sane that the
blame if any is on the woman and her family. People who have been commenting on how she died and what policies were in place, have absolutely no firsthand knowledge of the tragic events. But after reading these posts, it becomes obvious that to the paranoid, facts don''t matter, only their agenda.

[linfinster]

A tragic situation for sure. I''m sure that the 8 minutes that the police claim lapsed between the time she was put in the room and the time they checked on her it is possible she could have asphyxiated herself. Did they over react? Perhaps, I personally feel that if I was screaming in a terminal and was approached by Police and was not calming down that I would have to be dealt with. Cuffed and escorted away from the public isn''t out of the realm of options and appears acceptable to me. So they put her in a room away from the public until she could calm down.
I hope we can get the whole real story. Until then I''m siding with the Police with this. Mental issues are very difficult to handle. This could have just as easily been a woman who could have attacked someone in the state she was in. I feel bad that she died, but the circumstances are relative to her actions that day. The family shouldn''t have let her go alone! There has to be some responsibility there too!

[undermyboot]

"...the blame if any is on the woman and her family."
Posted by sharpe27 at 11:52 AM : Oct 06, 2007
----
When you are in the custody of the thugs with badges, your welfare is their responsibility. When you are an apologist for the thugs with badges, you need a good beating and arrest for resisting. What a moron.

[itraveler-2009]

Just another story that makes me not want to fly...

[sharpe27]

Under my boot: Thanks for the comedic idiotic paranoid statement, until you or anyone else can prove that she died because of police misconduct, you would be advised to stick to what is known about the situation and not make crazy loony accusations about an event you were''nt witness to. Once again the nutcake agenda shows itself.

[schmoo58]

I would like to thank the airport security for their efforts to protect the public. You can never be to sure these days. Yes, it''s a sad situation, but who''s to know she was not capable of hurting others in her state of mind. It''s sad we have to be so careful now days...but WAKE UP AMERICA this is the real world and the situations we live in today. Policeman are damned if the don''t and damned if they do and unless you''re in that situation, you don''t know how you react. Give the people who are protecting you a break!

[truthheals]

70 min later! Now that''s love.

[magoo2u1]

Hey ! The woman was 3/4 of the way across the country without incident, talked to her husband via cell phone during her 2 hour layover. What caused the problem ? I haven''t seen any report as to what tripped her off. Was she denied boarding because her hands were trembling ? I have not seen any report on what occured to start this incident. Why did she yell that she wasn''t a terrorist ? Who accused her of something? The airport gestapo seems to be giving everyone the iron boot under the guise of security. One passenger was arrested for complaining about poor service to a flight attendant. You are giving away your rights and the expectation of good service under the threat of arrest on trumped up charges if you don''t just accept it. She shouldn''t have died for trying to get treatment for alcohol abuse. Trembling hands are not a sign of terrorist activity. Nervous behavior is one of the signs the gestapo looks for but in this case she was seeking help and had already complete part of her journey without incident. But for the plane change she would still be alive.

[magoo2u1]

"Just another story that makes me not want to fly..."

You got that right. I don''t fly , the authorities are cracking down on silly things in an attempt to convince us it''s safe to fly while leaving huge loopholes for the murderers to walk through. Why would they do this ? Because it''s cheaper to pretend to make it safe than to actually make it safe. We are not safer because this woman is dead. It did not advance security or safety.
Peek behind the curtain Dorothy, the wizard''s security is just a facade.

[tnt1954]

all police go through rigourous psychological
examinations day by day, just as in the military.
they therefore have the best mental health of anyone
in the world. politicians and others never have
to have a mental status exam. when i saw the video
on tv, i saw no woman causing a disturbance. but
i did see the police, huge and burly, barging through
the airport crowd and just ''taking one out of the herd''. like in rush hour traffic, which of the
thousands of speeders on the freeway will the chp
take out of the herd for branding. with a hot iron.
of course, the public will believe this was a poor mentally
ill woman. the usual excuse. as in the song
''for what it''s worth'' by buffalo springfield, step
outta line, the Man come and take you away. nowadays
they just come for you, even if you don''t step outta
line. they have quotas to meet. and cops get
bored sittting around with nothing to do. they
saw a hot chick on the surveillance camera, and
ordered her brought to the holding cell for entertainment. i wouldn''t put it past them.

She was murdered by police. Anyone of us would have been murdered. The police are out of control. I have been to that airport. The people are the nicest I''ve ever seen. I believe the police were confronted with a person who didn''t immediately cooperate and performed an excution so the rest of us will becareful to fall in line. Instead of public safety, the police provide public executions. Who can justify the death of a 45 year old woman in an airport? Call it what it is. Death of the rule of law, the police are above the law. So is the Bush Administration. So is the religous right.

[andor3]

Yes this woman is dead for no reason, having committed no crime. A clear case of wrongful death and the parties who contributed must be identified, punished, and compensation given to her family--not just as punishment for the wrongdoing on the part of the TSA/cops but also to make a clear example that this sort of behavior will not be tolerated again.

[donbl1]

Why was she not escorted to rehab? Going to rehab is scary (I have been told) and having a husband escort her would have helped.

Can not believe she was traveling by herself. Obviously, she was not ready for independent travel - and the potential frustrations. Poor thing. What a way to finish out.......... totally afraid, shackled and in a police holding cell........

Family needs to take a hard look at themselves on this one.

[jerr11]

It''s over-reaction as usual.

These trigger happy or handcuff happy cops are always too willing to display their power and arrogance when it comes to administering their idea of law and order.

What in the world were they thinking of when they treated an unarmed woman with the roughness and brutality they meted out to this poor woman?

It''s Abu Ghraib all over again. No, no porno shots, just pure arrogance and a complete disregard for some human decency and understanding.

Get these cops to jail where they belong!!

And put Mike Nifong in there with them!

JUSTICE GONE WILD again, American style!!

[tnt1954]

the town hires a sheriff to protect the flock.
soon he hires all kinds of deputies, costing
the flock an absolute fortune in taxes. the sheriffs
become power mad, and start crying wolf every ten
seconds, cause the flock is now going wild, tired
of being beat up by the sheriffs. and now they
can''t rid of the sheriff who rules over them with
an iron rod. absolute power, corrupts absolutely.
the sheriff has a law passed that everyone must
wear pink sox between the hours of 2 am and 4 am
on friday, saturday and sunday, failure to comply
is punishable by immediate execution. this law
is put in place, to tame the flock. but the flock
keeps revolting, tired of the rod of iron. sheriff
says, take some of the flock and kill them to tame
these ornery critters. as an example to the rest
of that mange.

[linfinster]

The flight was overbooked, others showed up before her and got on. She was late getting to the gate. they put her on another flight but she was too hysterical about not getting on that flight, for whatever reason, and needed to be removed from the area as she was screaming, throwing personal items and causing a scene.

For those of you who didn''t understand what lead up to her being dealt with by security ..

[strawberry47]

God bless you Carol. In these awful set of bad circumstances, that all came together at the most unfortunate time, you needed help. But instead you encountered thugs with badges.

I find it criminal, to shackle someone and leave them alone. And even worse, given that the person needed help. It is simply unforgivable.

These ''law enforcers'' are nothing of the sort.

And something about their story stinks to high heaven.
I cannot imagine how Carol would have managed to get the handcuffs around to her front.

[strawberry47]

God bless you Carol. In these awful set of bad circumstances, that all came together at the most unfortunate time, you needed help. But instead you encountered thugs with badges.

I find it criminal, to shackle someone and leave them alone. And even worse, given that the person needed help. It is simply unforgivable.

These ''law enforcers'' are nothing of the sort.

And something about their story stinks to high heaven.
I cannot imagine how Carol would have managed to get the handcuffs around to her front.

[grammawhamma]

Posters: Read yesterday''s story. She did not cause a disturbance after missing her first flight. She started freaking out 1 hour and 43 minutes later...after she talked to her husband on the phone. I think he said something to her to throw her into a rage. This husband needs to be investigated.

[strawberry47]

God bless you Carol. In these awful set of bad circumstances, that all came together at the most unfortunate time, you needed help. But instead you encountered thugs with badges.

I find it criminal, to shackle someone and leave them alone. And even worse, given that the person needed help. It is simply unforgivable.

These ''law enforcers'' are nothing of the sort.

And something about their story stinks to high heaven.
I cannot imagine how Carol would have managed to get the handcuffs around to her front.

[strawberry47]

God bless you Carol. In these awful set of bad circumstances, that all came together at the most unfortunate time, you needed help. But instead you encountered thugs with badges.

I find it criminal, to shackle someone and leave them alone. And even worse, given that the person needed help. It is simply unforgivable.

These ''law enforcers'' are nothing of the sort.

And something about their story stinks to high heaven. I cannot imagine how Carol would have managed to get the handcuffs around to her front.

[strawberry47]

God bless you Carol. In these awful set of bad circumstances, that all came together at the most unfortunate time, you needed help. But instead you encountered thugs with badges.

I find it criminal, to shackle someone and leave them alone. And even worse, given that the person needed help. It is simply unforgivable.

These ''law enforcers'' are nothing of the sort.

And something about their story stinks to high heaven. I cannot imagine how Carol would have managed to get the handcuffs around to her front.

[Krazcarl]

Have been following this story since the beginning and it''s good to see folks sketical. I have been the victum of police abuse and it''s scary when the boys take the gloves off and thier evil. She made the classic mistake of a first time offener and thought she could reason with police. She thought if she could get there attention and explain that she wasn''t a terrorist she would be released and get on her way, the system doesn''t worl like that they saw a lady that guestioned there authority and went in to teach her a lesson I''d put my paycheck on it. Is anyone outhere stupid enough to believe they would say we got a little aggresive and the result was death no this is cover your hinny time. The woman wasn''t a mental case she was a alcoholic that means alchol triggers a mechanim in her brain so she won''t stop till she goes to bed. Yes there were issues in the family part of the disease and they probably wanted to show they trusted her rehab only works if you want it and it sounds to me she was at that point. The majority of adults that go to treatment unacompapied.

[strawberry47]

Good points, crzmeat. I can''t understand why we haven''t been allowed to see other camera footage of her arrest in the airport. There must be many cameras in that area. And yet, all we have is a distant set of images, with limited detail. How very convenient.

The two witnesses at the scene have already described ''excessive force'' being used; and no effort by the cops to talk to Carol. The witnesses were called Pittel and Harmon.

PITTEL says: "Very excessive (use of force) . They rushed in and grabbed her and threw her down. Nobody ever said anything to her, "lady, hey, calm down. Take a breath. Can I help you? What''s wrong?" anything like that."

Witness Harmon described Carol''s arrest in more detail:

"One of the officers ran towards her and grabbed her, and then the two other officers came up, and they -- one threw her to the ground, and then they -- it was as if they were tackling her. One of them pulled their arm -- her arm behind her with extreme force. I thought that they were going to -- or they had separated her shoulder. It looked very, very forceful.

Anyway, and then they -- in all of this, somebody -- one of the officers leaned down and pressed on her back. And then all of them were on her almost like they did a football tackle hold, and they got the -- they got the handcuffs on her. And then an officer came up to us and said, "move it along. Move it along. This isn''t anything for you to witness or for you to see." And so we reluctantly walked away."

[facts6]

Why wasn''t her family escorting her to rehab? They probably had a gut full of her histronics. And now they are seizing the opprotunity to get something out of their hellish bondage with her. Anybody been around an egocentric female drunk for a while?

[Krazcarl]

S_temper...Sucidal peaple don''t go to treatment you go to treatment to learn to live.I wasn''t aware we paid police to abuse a 100 lbs. woman if 2 grown men are in fear of a smal unarmed woman they don''t need to be police perhaps town dogcatcher there they could cage and chain and be cruel and noone would it is almost obvios they went over the top on this. Terrorist try to blend in and try not to draw attention to themselves till they strike and that would be on the plane not at the airport where little damsge would be done. Yes dealing with a distrought woman is a total drag but never had to chain one to a table. I belive your wrong and this won''t get you out of your next ticket.