Are Clinton, Obama, Edwards All The Same?

The Nation: Despite What Fans Say, Differences Between Top Three Dems Aren't Clear

(The Nation)  This column was written by Katha Pollitt.

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The other night I got an irate e-mail from an old acquaintance on the left. He was furious because I'd quipped in an interview that if people didn't stop making sexist comments about Hillary Clinton, I might just have to vote for her. Maybe he missed the ironic conditional: He thought I supported her. He went on to excoriate Clinton: she is militaristic and ultranationalistic; she would carry on Bush's policy of a long-term occupation of Iraq, define foreign policy around the "war on terror," support the hard-liners in Israel and promote the centrist-Democratic, left-smashing ideology of the DLC. We need to rebuild the left, he concluded, and that's why he was supporting...Barack Obama.

If you get your news from the progressive media, especially the Web, you would think large fields of ideological difference separate Clinton, Obama and Edwards. I haven't decided who I'm voting for. I would love to see a Democratic woman president; I'm not ashamed to say that. I'd love to see a Democratic black president too. But obviously - I shouldn't have to say this - what matters is what the candidates stand for and to whom they'll be beholden if elected. My problem is the three don't look so far apart to me - certainly not enough to justify demonizing one and canonizing another, as my left-wing correspondent does.

The differences seem more like branding: the strong, experienced woman; the black (but not too black) inspirer of hope; the hands-on economic populist crusader. Or if you prefer, the evil pro-corporate phony and everyone else. No sooner had Clinton announced her health care plan, for example, than my colleague John Nichols denounced it as a gift to the insurance industry. Fair enough, but this is the same health care plan that Elizabeth Edwards said with some annoyance was copied from the one her husband - the man who cares about poor people - had put forward months before. Obama's plan is similar. Likewise, on the same day that my colleague Laura Flanders wrote that an Obama campaign rally in New York City was buzzing with progressive energy, I read in The New York Times about his attempt to woo McCain voters in New Hampshire. Both these things can be true - but isn't being all things to all people a bit, well, Clintonian?

How real are the differences among the top three? Let's take a look. All three candidates want to disengage troops from Iraq while maintaining some kind of military handle on the place. If getting all the troops out ASAP is your top priority, vote for Richardson, Kucinich or Gravel. All of the top three are largely uncritical of Israel (Clinton, in fact, voiced support for a Palestinian state in 1998 and was creamed for it). Clinton probably is a shade more hawkish than the others, but all three buy the trope of the "war on terror" - in August, Obama even said he would strike Pakistan if that's what it took to capture Osama bin Laden. Maybe that was a slip or a mini-pander to 9/11 voters (well, not so mini if you're a Pakistani). He has since made more peaceful noises and followed Edwards in supporting the global abolition of nuclear weapons (a position originally put forward by Ronald Reagan, and now by Henry Kissinger, Sam Nunn and George Shultz, so let's not get carried away). On domestic policy, the three have similar boilerplatish positions on education and immigration; all three are pro-choice without qualifications. Hurray! But, although nearly three in ten Americans are poor or near-poor, only Edwards has made a campaign issue out of social and economic inequality. Only Edwards seems to grasp the significance of our widening class divisions. Obama, indeed, has suggested he'll reduce taxes on "the middle class," which may be code for "expect no big government initiatives."

How tied in are the top three with corporations and Wall Street? Hillary Clinton is notoriously unapologetic about receiving large donations from wealthy interests. But Obama has received a lot of corporate and Wall Street money too - in fact, he's received more money from hedge funds than Clinton. Edwards has refused to accept donations from lobbyists (Obama soon followed his example), but this could be merely a nice piece of branding: there are plenty of ways for the interest groups’ lobbyists to put favors in the favor bank besides writing a check to the candidate.

Right now Obama, not antipoverty Edwards, has the progressive halo, even though his stands on the issues don't place him clearly to the left of his main rivals. I don't know how many people have mentioned to me that he spent four years as a community organizer. That's great, but it doesn't necessarily tell us where he's going. After all, you would not have predicted from Clinton's work for the Children's Defense Fund and her many close friendships in the liberal policy world - or even her strong speeches in support of women's rights around the globe as first lady - that she would favor the Republican-created welfare reform bill her husband signed in 1996.

If the primary were today, I might vote for Edwards, even though he sometimes seems a bit like a hologram. Or I might go for the candidate I actually agree with, Dennis Kucinich, or the one who seems the most human, Mike Gravel. However, there are still nearly four endless months to slog through: I could be won over by a candidate who just stands up and speaks his or her mind without calculating the effect of every syllable on some indecisive mini-demographic. Someone who will speak frankly about the disaster that is the war on drugs, say, or call for free college education. I would even vote for a candidate who refuses to name a favorite Bible passage on national television. "Tim," this candidate might say, "I'd be happy to talk Scripture with you over a cup of coffee after the show, but in this country religion is private and personal, and if I'm elected I'll keep it that way."

There, would-be presidents of America, was that so hard?

[taxguydave]

Kucinich worshipers abound. Most of them support their hero for the wrong reasons. Few have ever looked into his actual voting record.

Did you know that he has consistently voted anti-choice, and anti-free speech? Did you know that his campaign takes corporate contributions, and that Edwards'' doesn''t?

Edwards may not be proposing to march 180,000 troops out of Iraq overnight. Instead, he proposed a more realistic timeline. But he still has a plan to get us out, (unlike Clinton or Obama), and his goals are realistic and doable (unlike Gravel or Kucinich).

[nabikov]

It seems to me you set forth a difference among the top 3: "[Obama] has since made more peaceful noises **and followed Edwards**...." "**only Edwards** has made a campaign issue out of social and economic inequality. **Only Edwards** seems to grasp the significance of our widening class divisions."

Part of the reason that they seem to look alike is that Obama & Clinton keep right on *following Edwards*.

You want someone who will "call for free college education"? That''s what Edwards "College for Everyone" will do -- that''s a staple in his stump speech; I''m not sure how you could miss that.

You want "Someone who will speak frankly about the disaster that is the war on drugs"? Perhaps you missed Edwards at the MTV forum, or failed to make the obvious connection between the "war on drugs" and the "inner city youths" Edwards spoke of when he said, "We cannot build enough prisons to solve this problem." Edwards sees the connection between racism, poverty, and the so-called "war on drugs" and understands that one cannot end one without addressing the other. Do you?

There **is** a difference, there is the guy who is first and the others who are following behind.

[adian1-2009]

To the writer: That you received an irate electronic mail? Come on! You only wanted to bring out the diatribe against Ms. Clinton found in your first paragraph. Seems that you are sensing that she is going to be our Democratic candidate and that she will be our next President. Your diatribe should be noted down, and it is.

[brianbwb-2009]

The Brian: Differences Between Top Three Dems Are Quite Clear, One is A White Male, One A White Female, And One A Black Male.

As For Policies, All From Both Parties Are Playing The Same Corruption Games, Except For The Virulent Racism Of The Republicans.

[newroad-2009]

By the way, hopeful Democrats, we can all be fooled. Our side elected a Republican congress, and they became Democrats. Your side regained the majority, and they''ve let you down - politicians will, after all, be politicians.

[newroad-2009]

As a "right-to-center" Republican, I very much enjoy a well-written and thoughtful opinion, whether it be from the right or the left. This author "gets it".

[waikikiluau]

You''ve got it answered. Look no further, vote for Kucinich. Only he can truly bring a big change in America "or you can vote for a candidate who''s tall."

In some write-ups they question Kucinich: "End war. Now? Free healthcare. Now? Withdraw from NAFTA, WTO. Now?..."

Here''s what I''ve got to tell those folks, if NOT NOW, when? Why wait longer, when we can solve all of these NOW! It''s time for a Kucinich revolution. Strength through peace.

[waikikiluau]

You''ve got it answered. Look no further, vote for Kucinich. Only he can truly bring a big change in America "or you can vote for a candidate who''s tall."

In some write-ups they question Kucinich: "End war. Now? Free healthcare. Now? Withdraw from NAFTA, WTO. Now?..."

Here''s what I''ve got to tell those folks, if NOT NOW, when? Why wait longer, when we can solve all of these NOW! It''s time for a Kucinich revolution. Strength through peace.

[aldee41]

The next President will be a Democrat.
Chose wisely. Chose Richardson.

[barryearle]

"I could be won over by a candidate who just stands up and speaks his or her mind without calculating the effect of every syllable on some indecisive mini-demographic. Someone who will speak frankly about the disaster that is the war on drugs, say, or call for free college education. I would even vote for a candidate who refuses to name a favorite Bible passage on national television."

Katha, my friend, you have already answered your question--Dennis Kucinich. While I don''t think he has a snowball''s chance in hell of getting even close to the presidency, I''m still voting for him in the primary for all the reasons you give above. While I like Edwards, neither he, Obama nor Clinton are going to radically change between now and the primary. So the only choice is voting one''s conscience. That, for me, leaves Kucinich.

[fredgrad2000]

WOW, these CBS comment boards are virtually indistinguishable from the Daily Kos!! It must just drive you left-wing loons NUTS that despite all the money from your sugar daddy Soros and all the time spend distorting the truth with outlets like Media Matters, and making fools of yourselves on TV through shouting Code Pinko lefties, that your chosen candidates (from these comments and others, namely Kucinich - HAHAHAHAAHHA!!, Edwards, or Gravel) can''t even muster in total 15% of the left''s main constituency, the Dem primary voter base!! America does not want your blame America first, pacifist, defeatist, socialist "utopia"!! And no matter how much MoveOn spends, that''s the way it will be for the next 100 years!! And there will be 80-100k troops in Iraq, even if a Dem gets elected (because it will be Hillary if a Dem), until 2012!! It must really just burn your insides to know that no matter what you do, your looney left BS can''t get ANYWHERE with the American people!!

[ellinorianne]

You are perpetuating something that was wrongly quoted about Edwards'' stand on exiting Iraq. He would remove troops immediately and as quickly and safely as possible. There would be not combat operations unlike Clinton and Obama. This has been completely misreported by the media and it does a great disservice to Edwards.

[ellinorianne]

You are perpetuating something that was wrongly quoted about Edwards'' stand on exiting Iraq. He would remove troops immediately and as quickly and safely as possible. There would be not combat operations unlike Clinton and Obama. This has been completely misreported by the media and it does a great disservice to Edwards.

[ellinorianne]

You are perpetuating something that was wrongly quoted about Edwards'' stand on exiting Iraq. He would remove troops immediately and as quickly and safely as possible. There would be not combat operations unlike Clinton and Obama. This has been completely misreported by the media and it does a great disservice to Edwards.

[frb01]

We can boil it down this way, the experienced Hillary Clinton, is just at the start of her second term. Edwards served one term. Obama is a couple years into his plus has State Legislative experience. In her case, Hillary''s experience is just fluff, nothing else.

[tha-truth2]

Don''t believe the hype!!
CBS_Oliver is a straight up Republican!!
He is trying to sway u losers into thinking that he would vote Dem.,but he is not..

He is part of a corrupt party!!
Lies,Lies,and more Lies!!
From the white house to your neighbors house,the conservative party is whats wrong with america..

Most of the "Christian Right"believe they are all going to heaven.And they are not!!

And that they are the Christain Party and have a hotline to god!! When they don''t!!

They(the republicans), as a whole(no pun intended) do need our prayers trust me..

Im sick of the Corruption!!
Tired of the Right Winged "Wrongees"..
And i still can''t believe that they expect us to believe that all of the Soldiers are behind a man whom,when it was his time to serve,Ran off and hid in bars all over Alabama!!

Give me Hillary any day..
Or give me the Green Pimp Suit that Bishop Don Juan wears anyday,than having a lying cheater of a conservative in the white house..

Go Anybody..The republicans are thru!!!

[sparks224]

But seriously, a candidate is either for or against Big Health Insurance. That%u2019s the dividing line for me. Hilary and Obama have sold out to them, Edwards has not.
For-profit healthcare (an oxymoron) should be made illegal.

[rose443]

Ms. Pollitt, I must respectfully ask that you do a bit more research. In your article you said..... "or the one who seems most human, Mike Gravel". I ask that you watch the video link below in which Mike Gravel happily and enthusiastically states that we need a One World Government. He also endorses a Global Carbon Tax. The idea of a One World Government and a Global Carbon Tax are core missions of the Council on Foreign Relations. Clinton (and Bill), Obama, and Edwards are members of the CFR.

You would be well advised to do some research on the CFR before you give any member of that "organization" your vote. Keep in my *** CHENEY is also a member of the CFR and I believe it is the reason Clinton, Obama, Edwards, Biden, Dodd and Richrdson refuse to impeach him - they are all members of the CFR along with Cheney! While there is no evidence that Gravel is currently a member of the CFR he certainly believes and endorses their ideas.
(And he also refuses to impeach Cheney).

As for myself, I will not be giving my vote for President to anyone but Dennis Kucinich in the upcoming elections.

http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/123457/
Mike_Gravel_Clarifies_Globalization_World_Governance.html

VoteKUCINICH2008!
http://www.dennis4president.com/home

[sparks224]

They are all too smart and competent to be president.
We don''t trust them smarty-pants intellectual types with all their science and facts and stuff.

They obviously hate America.

[cbs_oliver]

Sorry, Tomi1023, I think you misunderstood me.

I will vot efor Kucinich in the primary.

After the primary I will vote for Kucinich or Edwards if they win the nomination but will not vote at all for President otherwise.