Oct. 7, 2007
The Man From Interpol
Ron Noble Tells Steve Kroft Agency Is Under-Funded
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The Man From Interpol
Interpol, the international law enforcement agency, is often overlooked and underutilized in the war on terrorism despite having valuable resources, says its secretary general, Ron Noble. Steve Kroft reports.
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As correspondent Steve Kroft explains, their real job is behind the scenes, collecting and disseminating information to law enforcement agencies all over the world, and until Ron Noble became the first American to ever run the global police organization, it played almost no role in fighting terrorism. Noble has been trying to change all that since the day he took over seven years ago, less than a year before Sept. 11th changed the world.
Asked if his phone rang off the hook after the 9/11 attacks, Noble tells Kroft, "The only call I got was from my brother to tell me to turn the television on just in time for me to see the second plane fly in to the building. And I promised myself, and I promised my staff that that would never happen again. It would never be that a terrorist attack would occur anywhere in the world and we wouldn't be called."
"Why did nobody call, do you think?" Kroft asks.
Says Noble, "We were irrelevant."
When he was nominated by President Clinton to become the first non-European secretary general of Interpol, Noble was one of the top law enforcement administrators in the U.S.: undersecretary of the Department of the Treasury, in charge of the Secret Service and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
He was ambitious, tireless and spoke four languages, the perfect choice to shake up what was considered a lethargic European bureaucracy, based in Lyon, France, a city known for famous chefs and some of the finest restaurants in the world. And walking through Lyon, it's easy to see why Interpol became known for long lunches and long weekends, not long days at the office.
"When you came here it had the reputation of sort of being a retirement home for police officers," Kroft remarks. "Was it open on the weekends?"
"It wasn't open on the weekends. And if you had a request for assistance at five o'clock on Friday, you'd have to wait until Monday morning for someone to respond to it," Noble recalls.
That has all changed. The lights at Interpol are on now around the clock, seven days a week. The international wanted posters, called "red notices," once sent out by third class mail to 186 countries, often took months to arrive. Now they leave Lyon in a matter of seconds on a secure Internet channel. And the Morse code tower, used into the 1980s, has been replaced by a state-of-the-art police communication system that allows countries instant access to a global database of fingerprints, mug shots, DNA samples and stolen travel documents.
Its mission is to give operational support to police departments around the world, by exchanging intelligence, tracking fugitives, and providing language and legal assistance in fighting crimes that cross international borders. Its staff is made up of police officers on loan from 58 different countries.
It's not glamorous work, but last year Interpol played a role in 4,500 arrests, including a war criminal from the former Yugoslavia and an al Qaeda terrorist connected to the Madrid train bombing.
Noble believes Interpol is capable of doing much more. "Al Qaeda has said they want to kill four million of us. So I'm asking myself, 'What do we need? What does it take?' What will it take for governments to say, 'You know what? Forget the past. If Interpol didn’t exist today, we’d invent it. How would we invent it? How creative would we be?'" he says.
Noble says the world has changed drastically over the past decade, and along with it the nature of international crime.
It used to be that if someone committed a crime in Chicago, they stayed in Chicago, or at least in the United States. Today, they can get on a plane and commit the same crime in a number of different countries before anyone even notices. In fact, they don't even have to get on a plane. Someone with a computer in Lagos, Nigeria, can drain a bank account in London without even leaving his house.
"The Internet is police-able. It's police-able in the classical sense of the word, and we should be doing that," says Mick Moran, a 15-year veteran of the Garda, the Irish national police.
Moran joined Interpol last year to investigate international sex crimes against children. He tries to identify the country where the actual crime is taking place and then he passes on the information to the appropriate jurisdiction for further investigation.
"People call them child pornography. But that's a bad thing to call them, because it's actually a picture of a crime scene. And as an investigator, I examine the crime scene," Moran says.
Moran says he is "looking for anything that might give me a clue as to what country this comes from."
"That's what cyber cops do," he says.
Asked if he is a cyber cop, Moran tells Kroft, "We're cyber cops, yeah. Without a doubt, we're cyber cops. And one of the most horrific cyber crimes … these sex abusers, they use the Internet … and they turn it into a shadow land."
What does he mean by shadow land?
"Shadow lands. It's the dark side of the Internet. Because the Internet, don't forget, and a lot of people forget this, the Internet simply reflects society. It simply reflects the world we live in," Moran says. "And that world has good and that world has evil."
Produced By Ira Rosen
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See all 107 CommentsWell, the law of giving Zakat is to give it to the leader of Islamic people. So, between God and the FBI who can''t seem to recognise a controlled demolition and magic cartoon planes....
It''s a tough choice. Ron looks like a nice guy, but I don''t think I want to burn for eternity for his incompetance!
Whatever happened to the promise of "info-sharing" between agencies? I even question whether the agencies WITHIN the US even started communicating; so it really is not suprising that they wouldn''t communicate with Interpol. Private-sector funding should be solicited.
Robertoi Rodriguez, Laredo Texas
I am terribly afraid for my country when I find out that the basic things, which I believe are being taken care of, are not important and the people in our government are not smart enough to take care of business. This has nothing to do with politics...or at least it shouldn''t
Let us know, the people who pay the taxes, that our government who so freely feels that they can chooses where they want our money it to go. The American public needs to start demanding what and where our money goes! We need to start making our Government realize how we feel and where we feel what needs to be protected.
We are no better off today than we were on September 11!
Who doesn''t hate that our children are getting killed for a war that some of our politicians believe we should be in. Yes, they convince the young and others that we need to fight the war on there land, what a joke! We need to fight the terrorist the way they are fight with us. Smarten up American and listen to what really needs to done.
+ that is NOT answerable to elected representatives?
that is NOT restricted by the CONTROLS set forth in the US Constitution?
I can''t think of a faster path to totalitarianism that this?
Don''t buy the emotional of a good television act, and THINK thru the consequences of this proposal, for it is NOT in your best interests.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071007/ts_nm/britain_iraq_afghanistan_dc
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071007/ts_nm/britain_iraq_afghanistan_dc
A report by the Oxford Research Group (ORG) said a "fundamental re-think is required" if the global terrorist network is to be rendered ineffective.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071007/ts_nm/britain_iraq_afghanistan_dc
means only one thing to me, he is the perfect man for the job. He has dedicated his life to making the world
a safer place for all. For that he deserves far more appreciation than I could ever express to him.
This is not a police force as much as an identification source which identifies and then REFERS to the proper country officials. We will not be in danger of Scotland Yard coming to our home.
What we would gain is "an eye in the sky" both globally and nationally as to what is going on.
Gene Coughlin.
Posted by glaswolf at 10:09 PM : Oct 07, 2007
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This is the kind of arrogance and thinking that is going to get us all killed. We need the entire world in this fight and we need a leader who can bring that world together in that effort. Al Qaeda has completely rebuilt it''s organization using the policies of the idiot we allowed to take office last election. They are recruiting people all across the world using the fact that the vast majority of the world conciders that same leader to be a Southern Fascist. The World wide hatred for Bush and the Present leadership in this country is beyond anything we have ever seen. No longer can our leader go to another nation and be met by friendly crowds, now he must be protected by DIVISIONS of Military. That says MORE than anyone or anything ever could. Sieg Heil Bush!!
I can''''t think of a faster path to totalitarianism that this?
Don''''t buy the emotional of a good television act, and THINK thru the consequences of this proposal, for it is NOT in your best interests.
Posted by mysdod at 08:49 PM : Oct 07, 2007
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IF we can not and do not cooperate with the security forces of other nations, especially nations that was once our friends, we have NO chance of defeating these folks. There is ONE fact that you fascist seem to ignore.... Al Qaeda has COMPLETELY rebuilt and is RECRUITING in other nations using the world wide hatred for George Bush. Without co operation with the security forces of our FORMER friends what chance do we have? Sieg Heil Bush
Mr. NOBLE actually was crying on the %u2018CBS 60 minutes%u2019 TV show. Because, the Homeland Security don%u2019t give him the necessary funds and equipment to fight terrorism and crime. THIS IS SCANDALOUS!!! Please, please tell Mr. Noble that all the technology and funds he needs to stop terrorism and crime, are available at www.motionmetrics.org
Dr. Edward Romanoff
Preventive Science Institute (PSI)
info@motionmetrics.org
(559) 273-6949
1) Did you know that Interpol is a PRIVATE organization?
http://www.trivia-library.com/a/what-is-interpol.htm
2) This brief ZDNet article refers to SEVERAL scandals of false and defamatory information being placed at Interpol by Interested Parties. Do you want to take the risk of someone using Interpol to harm you?
http://tinyurl.com/29ydeq
3) Wikipedia claims that Interpol (formerly ICPC) fell under the control of the Nazis. Are you sure you want to support an organization that might be taken over by a rogue government or other private power?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpol
"Interpol was founded in Austria in 1923 as the International Criminal Police Commission (ICPC), with headquarters located in Vienna until 1942. Following the Anschluss (Austria''s annexation by Nazi Germany) in 1938, the organization fell under the control of Nazi Germany and the Commission''s headquarters were eventually moved to Berlin in 1942. It is unclear, however, if and to what extent the ICPC files were used to further the goals of the Nazi regime."
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