Jimmy Carter Shouts Down Security In Sudan

Former U.S. President Angered After Being Blocked From Meeting With Ethnic African Refugees

(CBS/AP)  Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter got in a shouting match Wednesday with Sudanese security services who blocked him from a town in Darfur where he was trying to meet representatives of ethnic African refugees from the ongoing conflict.

The 83-year-old Carter walked into this highly volatile pro-Sudanese government town to meet refugees too frightened to attend a scheduled meeting at a nearby compound.

Carter was able to make it to a school where he met with one tribal representative and was preparing to go further into the town when Sudanese security services interrupted.

"You can't go. It's not on the program!" the local national security chief, who only gave his first name as Omar, yelled at Carter, who is in Darfur as part of a delegation of respected international figures known as "The Elders."

"We're going to anyway!" an angry Carter retorted. "You don't have the power to stop me."

U.N. officials told Carter's entourage that the Sudanese state police could bar his way. "Let's go, or somebody is going to get shot," said one U.N. official, as an increasingly tense crowd gathered. Billionaire businessman Richard Branson and Graca Machel, the wife of former South African President Nelson Mandela, tried to ease Carter's frustration as his U.S. secret service security urged him to climb into a car and leave.

"I'll tell President Bashir about this," Carter said, referring to Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir.

Carter later agreed to a compromise by which tribal representatives would be brought to him at another location later Wednesday. But the refugee delegates never showed up.

Most ethnic Africans appeared too frightened to speak in Kabkabiya, a North Darfur town that has long been a stronghold of the pro-government janjaweed militia.

Branson, who along with Machel was traveling with Carter, said some refugees had slipped notes in his pockets. "We (are) still suffering from the war as our girls are being raped on a daily basis," read one of the notes, translated from Arabic, that Branson handed to The Associated Press.

The note said that on Sept. 26, a group of girls had been raped, and a refugee had also been shot two days ago. Branson said it had been handed over by an ethnic African man.

The Darfur conflict began when ethnic African rebels took up arms against the Arab-dominated Sudanese government, accusing it of decades of neglect. Sudan's government is accused of retaliating by unleashing the janjaweed militia of Arab nomads - a charge it denies. More than 200,000 people have been killed and 2.5 million driven out of their homes in four years of violence.

The visit by "The Elders," which is headed by Nobel Peace laureates Carter and Desmond Tutu, is largely a symbolic move by a host of respected figures to push all sides to make peace in Darfur.

"We are here in Sudan because we want to listen to the voices of those who have not been heard and want to explore ways that we can lend our own voices to peace," said Tutu, in the Elders' arrival statement for the mission to Sudan.

[myidoncbs]

I never much liked Carter becuase I believe most "born-again Christians" are nut-jobs. However, I''ve got to say, Carter''s got WAY MORE CAJONES than that stu-pid little Bushwhacker ever had.

When little king Georgie gets out of office, I don''t expect to hear about him trying to do anything to make the world a better place. Rather, I expect him to retire to his hideout in south america and drink himself to death.

[mbcsmith]

Too bad Carter couldn''t find his ballls during the 444 day Iran crisis when the terrorists kidnapped our citizens. Iran was EMBOLDENED by Carter.

[oscarez]

Things would be different if the Sudan had lots of crude oil. Bush would have already invaded and established a democracy. Not getting involved is the White Houses'' solution to world overpopulation.

[myidoncbs]

"Too bad Carter couldn''t find his ballls during the 444 day Iran crisis when the terrorists kidnapped our citizens. Iran was EMBOLDENED by Carter."

NO, Iran was EMBOLDENED by Ronald Reagan who PAID THE TERRORISTS to let our people go, but they weren''t allowed to let them go until AFTER Carter was out of office! If you think for a moment that they were just "so afraid" of Cowboy Ron that they let them go, then you REALLY are the perfect sucker for the Repugnant Ones'' Imaginary Fables of Greatness.

[ioweign]

Too bad Carter couldn''''t find his ballls during the 444 day Iran crisis when the terrorists kidnapped our citizens. Iran was EMBOLDENED by Carter.

Posted by mbcsmith at 09:41 AM : Oct 03, 2007

Actual Iran was EMBOLDENED many years earlier by Eisenhower and the CIA with Operation Ajax. That is how the Shah of Iran got his dictatorial start.

Then military, 4/24/1980, Operation Eagle Claw failed resulting in the deaths of five USAF Airmen and three U.S. Marines.

Carter doesn''t have to sneak around (in the US or out of the US) like AWOL Bush !!

[mitch0927]

mbcsmith, guess you''re too young to remember that he sent three rescue attempts and they failed because our troops didn''t have any desert rescue training. 16 men died trying to rescue them. So before you start spouting off krap about someone, do a little research first.

[rushlimpdrug]

He should of taken Bono with him.

Africa is just one stupid continent.
The pyramids are nice.

[robertkjjj]

It''s too bad this senile as*hole wasn''t tied to a camel and dragged thru the desert by the Sudanese. Carter is so obviously the worst President of all time. He clearly is the reason for the rise of Jihad worldwide in the first place. He%u2019s in love with every single leading terrorist. All the enemies of this country(Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jong-il, the list goes on forever) consider him a friend. Virtually every single poll shows he is dead last among all Presidents. This guy is the worst kind of scumbag and should have had his citizenship stripped and put on a 1-way flight to North Korea decades ago. An absolutely disgraceful person.

[ioweign]

Virtually every single poll shows he is dead last among all Presidents.

Posted by robertkjjj at 10:15 AM : Oct 03, 2007

Wrong - check out link !!

http://www.swivel.com/graphs/show/8176927

[bogusbones]

robertkjjj

If Carter is worst then he''s going to have to allow our current President take that position. If it weren''t for a strong stock market Bush would be picking weeds in Crawford. At least Carter has the brains to raise a cash crop.

[drinuk]

At the very least, the man is there trying to help stop this Genocide. I don''t see the Chimp in the White House doing much to alleviate this dreadful suffering. No Oil and nothing for Haliburton.

It''s really cheap to criticize and whatever the past he should be praised for this effort and particularly in standing up to killers.

As for sending aid to Africa, not another dime! they have all the AK47''s they need thank you.

[robertkjjj]

I don''t need chronic-obsessive Bush-haters to tell me about Carter or history. Go find the book at Amazon; just search on "jimmy carter worst president". The true test is this: only the passage of time and history can really put one%u2019s legacy in perspective and tell you who is truly the worst. You may hate Bush, but he isn''t even out of office yet. He hasn''t been subjected to historians. His impact on the US and the world will be unknown for many years to come. It''s possible and even likely 20 years from now Bush will be seen as visionary and correct on many things he takes hits for now. Carter is a 100% different story. He has been out of office 27 years. His impact is well known. The books and the historians HAVE spoken on this man. And, with the exception that he''s helped build a few houses, his impact has been solidly negative and detrimental. In fact, you can directly credit him with the rise of radical Islam, which has globally killed over 10 MILLION people in the last 25 years. You can hate Bush all you want, but his legacy is unknown. Carter has been proven simply awful.

[myidoncbs]

Some re-**** claimed, "Carter is so obviously the worst President of all time. He clearly is the reason for the rise of Jihad worldwide in the first place."

NO, YOU ID-IOT! REAGAN MADE A DEAL WITH THE TERRORISTS: ARMS FOR HOSTAGES! And we, the disUnited States of Fools, put that mo-ron in office, and YOU, Repugnant (GOP) lovers, think Reagan was "good" and Carter was "weak"? And today, your imaginary hero is "the Decider"?

Repugs live in a sick fantasy world of Cowboys vs. Indians, "good" vs. "evil", where they IMAGINE themselves to be "the few, the proud" and the "brave" heroes. In fact, they are the sick, twisted, delusional, amoral fools who can only succeed in one thing: destroying themselves and everyone and everything around them.

[dogsoul]

"Things would be different if the Sudan had lots of crude oil. Bush would have already invaded and established a democracy. Not getting involved is the White Houses'''' solution to world overpopulation. "

You liberals are such immense hypocrites it''s stunning... really, you''re ALL about getting the US ''involved'' in Darfur - because... well, that''s the flavor of the month on the liberal calendar right??? And Hollywood''s saying it''s ok so.... But getting involved in Iraq where we not only had a brutal dictator in Saddam, but ALSO have significant national interest by way of infusing the Middle East w/ a Democratic future in lieu of horrific terror attacks on our soil... but that''s a travesty... Let''s face it.... for liberals, it''s got absolutely NOTHING to do with any mission or goal, and everything to do with who''s running the show... My God, do you liberals ever just get tired of your own bullsh*t?

[myidoncbs]

Some re-**** says, "search on ''jimmy carter worst president''."

HA! THAT''S A LAUGH. Search for "worst president" and you''ll get many, many more hits that return George W. Bush, unarguably the WORST president in the history of this once-great-but-now-impoverished nation.

[crystalblue3]

I''m proud of Carter. I think he showed a lot of balls regardless of his past history as our President...he''s certainly doing a lot of good NOW. We need MORE like HIM. I WISH we as a country would do something to help those people. The reason why we don''t is because they aren''t a threat to us directly. So we ignore their desperate situation and keep our focus on the OIL.

I will NEVER vote for a Republican AGAIN.

[godseyesore-2009]

Rafterman1, what kind of mission or goal is it to ruin a country that was not a threat to US? What kind of mission or goal is it to kill based on lies?
As for Afganistan, bushy let the REAL threat get away by refocusing the main effort elsewhere. Idiocy and incompentence. You voted them in, so take some responsibility for the inane missions and goals of swill.

[iceman_1960]

"you can directly credit him with the rise of radical Islam"

"Him" being Dwight Eisenhower.

Eisenhower''s CIA overthrew the democratically elected prime minister of Iran, and helped the brutal Shah into power. His motive: a favor for his British friends, whose oil profits were being threatened by nationalization.

This led to the rise of Ayatollah Khomeini, the overthrow of the Shah and the rise of Muslim extremist rule in Iran.

Thanks a lot, Ike. Thanks a lot.

[dogsoul]

"The reason why we don''''t is because they aren''''t a threat to us directly. So we ignore their desperate situation and keep our focus on the OIL. I will NEVER vote for a Republican AGAIN. "

Again... absolutely amazing - liberals will criticize Bush for attacking Iraq because they were not a direct threat to us - and yet.... and I can hardly contain myself here... yet they manage to also criticize Bush for not getting involved in Darfur just because they''re not a direct threat to us... oh man, this is too rich - and so drippingly liberal. Honestly, I WISH Clinton were in office post 9/11 because according to his very own words, he would have definitely invaded Iraq - came very close when he WAS in office (read up on it liberals)... and seeing as liberals only care that it''s THEIR guy calling the shots rather than what shots are actually being called (although they''ll rant from the mountaintops such is not the case) - we''d have gotten liberal support AND most of the conservative support as well... As it is, we''ve got these traitorous liberals siding with Al Queda just to defeat a common foe in George Bush...

[iceman_1960]

"Honestly, I WISH Clinton were in office post 9/11 because according to his very own words, he would have definitely invaded Iraq"
- Posted by dogsoul at 11:19 AM : Oct 03, 2007

Please supply a reference. A link.

It''s not that I don''t believe you, dogbreath. I just want to read it for myself.

[iceman_1960]

Never mind.

Those are Ted Koppel''s very words, not Bill Clinton''s.

I didn''t think Bill Clinton himself ever said that, or the Right would have been quoting those words day and night around here.

Source:

"KOPPEL: I mean, the only difference between the Clinton administration and the Bush administration was 9/11.

BROKAW: Right.

KOPPEL: If 9/11 had happened on Bill Clinton''s watch, he would have gone into Iraq.

BROKAW: Yeah. Yeah."

http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=1&num=2366

[iceman_1960]

You have to factcheck these right wing posters.

They lie like rugs.

[iceman_1960]

"You have to factcheck these right wing posters. They lie like rugs."

Maybe not this time, however.

"[Bill] Clinton defends successor''s push for war

Says Bush ''couldn''t responsibly ignore'' chance Iraq had WMDs"

Source:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

[iceman_1960]

"Pressed on whether the Iraq war was worth the cost to the United States, Clinton said he would not have undertaken the war until after U.N. chief weapons inspector Hans Blix "finished his job."


[Same source]

[nolalou]

robertkjjj,

Jimmy Carter, while not a perfect president, was far from the worse! For that dubious honor, just look at the current occupant of the White House!

Jimmy Carter has done lots of good since he left the white house, not least of which is his involvement with Habitat for Humanity, which is building over 100 homes in New Orleans. He has also promoted democracy by participating as an election monitor in many parts of the world.

If the book you are referring to is the one by Stephen Hayward, he is as full of C-Rap as you are!

[nolalou]

robertkjjj,

Jimmy Carter, while not a perfect president, was far from the worse! For that dubious honor, just look at the current occupant of the White House!

Jimmy Carter has done lots of good since he left the white house, not least of which is his involvement with Habitat for Humanity, which is building over 100 homes in New Orleans. He has also promoted democracy by participating as an election monitor in many parts of the world.

If the book you are referring to is the one by Stephen Hayward, he is as full of C-Rap as you are!

[lars008-2009]

dimmy kar-ter need to stay on the pea-NUT loony farm,,, what a loser,,,

[signof4]

Jimmah Carter is the worst president this country has ever had. He''s desperately trying to establish a post presidential legacy for himself - because his presidency sucked so bad.

Retire from public life and join Billy - ASAP.

[realpatriot1]

Lars008,

You talk a good game about standing up to Muslim extremists but Carter was actually doing it and you demean him for it.

Are you an apologist for the murderous Jihadist regime in Khartoum?

While you quiver in fear behind your keyboard this 83 year old man is traveling into the lion''s den and standing up unarmed to lunatics with AK-47s.

What have you done in the war on terror other than cast aspersions?

[dogsoul]

"I have repeatedly defended President Bush against the left on Iraq, even though I think he should have waited until the U.N. inspections were over,"

reuters

Billy Boy has repeatedly made such references... baaasically saying that yeah... post 9/11 he''d have gone in - with juuuuuust enough wiggle room to escape out if need be - after all, he IS Billy Boy. Make no mistake though, Clinton would have gone in too - and during his own administration, made many many many references to Saddam''s WMD''s & such - you can easily find those if you look....

[msthet1]

Carter is on the front lines giving them hell as opposed to you republican hypocritical Bushies who send others to do your dirty work. Carter is smarter and has more courage than all you repub SOBs and he''s 83 years old! Maybe you need to move to Darfur before we take over again and cancel your arsses like a stamp!

[dogsoul]

"You talk a good game about standing up to Muslim extremists but Carter was actually doing it and you demean him for it."

Oh really??? Care to read up on Carter''s relationships with Palestinian terrorists???

[dogsoul]

Listen to the liberals defending Carter... you really DO make it too easy! Ok folks, if you''re a fan of how Jimmy Carter ran the country - vote liberal! He''s a prime example of what a liberal President offers.....

[dogsoul]

"What part of that don''''t you get? There are some things worth getting involved in and some that aren''''t. Some things you can win and some things you can''''t. "

Okay, so taking out a brutal dictator with a history of constructing, acquiring, and even using WMDs who had previously invaded our ally Kuwait & committed all sorts of atrocities AND constantly created problems for the United States - and whose country is strategically located in the heart of the Middle East where establishing a Democracy might well change the long term face of that region in an opposite direction from what feeds our terror sowing enemies that attacked us on 9/11.... THAT''S not worth it - THAT''s not winable...

but Darfur IS both worth it AND winable

No.... I GET what you''re saying - I just see it for what it is...

[one_american]

The moonbat Democrat peanut farmer from Plains is about to get himself shot if he doesn''t knock off the crazy talk, and stop acting like some kind of diplomacy know-it-all.

He should be at home, tending his library, not running around making things worse in the world.

[dogsoul]

"He should be at home, tending his library, not running around making things worse in the world."

Amen to THAT! Carter has also gone on record saying that America should not have fought the War of Independence against England - and perhaps WWI & WWII as well... although I''d have to check on that - he''s a pacifist, mostly because he''s at the end of his years and is a mega religious guy so he''s worried about getting into heaven, regardless of where that may leave the rest of us still stuck on earth.... like most liberals, he''s mostly concerned about ''looking'' the part than what may or may not actually work... What''s funny is that given his religious convictions, you''d THINK liberals would HATE him - but you see, it''s only religious republicans that liberals hate - and then it''s only the Christians, because they not dare saying anything against Islam after all... that would be bigoted - even though it''s open season on Christianity most any day of the week.... again, the hypocrisy of liberalism knows no bounds...

[signof4]

standing up to Muslim extremists but Carter was actually doing it and you demean him for it.
Posted by realpatriot1 at 12:04 PM : Oct 03, 2007

An excellent point. Though, do you really think anything would have happened to him?

[likeitis5050]

At least he''s out there trying to make a difference. So what if he''s trying to ''make up for'' something...at least he''s doing something. People just can''t allow themselves to see the good in anything. Who cares what personal opinions anyone has regarding something more than 30 years in the past...half of the ones b..it..ching didn''t even experience it first-hand.

[msthet1]

Dogsoul-Darfur''s gov''t hates liberals too.

[one_american]

"At least he''s out there trying to make a difference."

Posted by likeitis5050 at 12:53 PM : Oct 03, 2007

Like they say, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".

I think they had people like Jimmy Carter in mind when they came up with that saying.

Just ask the the families of innocent Israelis who have had loved ones killed by Palestinian terrorists over the last 60 years. Jimmy Carter is has worked diligently for 30 years to give Palestinian terrorist entities like Hamas the rights and the means to kill Israeli citizens with impunity.

Jimmy Carter is not a diplomat - he''s a madman.

[mbcsmith]

Too bad Carter couldn''''t find his ballls during the 444 day Iran crisis when the terrorists kidnapped our citizens. Iran was EMBOLDENED by Carter.

[j-whitman]

One_American,,,,, Jimmy Carter is doing the job Bush the Coward Profiteer refuses to do

[j-whitman]

One_American,,,, Innocent Isreali''s ???

About 125,000 Jews left Iraq for Israel in the late 1940s and into 1952, most because they had been lied to and put into a panic by what I came to learn were Zionist bombs.
Bacteriological Warfare

The Haganah put typhus bacteria into the water going to Acre, the people got sick, and the Jewish forces occupied Acre. This worked so well that they sent a Haganah division dressed as Arabs into Gaza, where there were Egyptian forces, and the Egyptians caught them putting two cans of bacteria, typhus and dysentery, into the water supply in wanton disregard of the civilian population.

[shingles1]

Too bad Carter couldn''''''''t find his ballls during the 444 day Iran crisis when the terrorists kidnapped our citizens. Iran was EMBOLDENED by Carter.
Posted by mbcsmith

And where were Reagan''s balls when he hightailed it out of Lebanon like a little school girl and then, along with Michael the Traitor Ledeen, sold Iran weapons. That sure was standing up to them.

[j-whitman]

One_American,,,, Innocent Isreali''''s ??? -- ROTFLOL

David Ben Gurion, Israel''s first prime minister, told a Zionist Conference in 1937 that any proposed Jewish state would have to "transfer Arab populations out of the area, if possible of their own free will, if not by coercion."[8] After 750,000 Palestinians were uprooted and their lands confiscated in 1948-49, Ben Gurion had to look to the Islamic countries for Jews who could fill the resultant cheap labor market. "Emissaries" were smuggled into these countries to "convince" Jews to leave either by trickery or fear.

[mbcsmith]

21% interest rates, out of control inflation, 444 days in Iran, decimation of the military and Billy Beer. Carter was the WORST president in History.

[j-whitman]

One_American,,,, Innocent Isreali''s ??? -- ROTFLOL

In 1954 several terrorist bombs were set off at the United States Information Agency offices in Cairo and Alexandria. An attempt .. failed when the bomb went off in the pocket of one of the perpetrators. That led to the discovery that the terrorists were Israeli spies bent on souring the warming relationship between Egypt and the United States...

[j-whitman]

mbcsmith,,,,, No way dude,, Carter may not have been that great, but he is absoulty right on Isreal/Palestine problems.

Bush 43 is no doubt the worst President in American History -
---- He waged an unnecssary war in Iraq on the same ideaology & agenda Hitler waged his war --- On a presumed terrorist threat in order to provide the opertunity to change the world,,
,, Now he veto''s Children''s health care for 4,000,000 Amareican Children.

[agnim]

"Jimmy Carter Shouts Down Security In Sudan"

They should take away the walking cane from the old arrogant ****!

[j-whitman]

Agnim,,,, They should shove that walking cane up Bush''s asss & beat him over the head for ignoring the problem Carter is trying to fix.