NEW YORK, Oct. 3, 2007

Is The Internet Killing Wal-Mart?

The Skinny: Big-Box Behemoth Losing Power As Consumers Shop Online, And Elsewhere

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    Wal-Mart's overwhelming business and social influence in America is drawing to a close, the Wall Street Journal reports.  (AP)

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Wal-Mart changed America, the Wall Street Journal reminds us this morning in its obituary for the retailer's "overwhelming business and social influence." But now America - and the world -- is changing too fast for Wal-Mart to keep up.

The price-slashing, union-busting behemoth has been having a rough go of things lately. For 10 years through 2005, Wal-Mart's sales gains at stores open at least a year averaged 5.2 percent. So far this year, its comparable-store sales are up just 1.3 percent. The pricing gap between Wal-Mart and it's competitors has narrowed, and more customers are now choosing convenience over wading through a supercenter.

The result is Wal-Mart's competitors are kicking its supersized backside: Target's comparable-store gains so far this year are 4.6 percent, while Costco's were 6 percent. And let's not even talk about the retailers bombed experiments in Germany and South Korea, both called off after failure last year.

Part of the change is competitor wiliness. Part is shifting tastes of increasingly affluent American consumers away from bargain-basement big-box toward greater convenience, more selection, higher quality or better service. ("For the first time in a long time, quality has a chance to gain on price," said one industry analyst.)

And part of it, apparently, is the Internet. Wal-Mart's loss of clout "is a reflection of a more fragmented world," the Journal reports. "Big-box stores thrived by selling recognizable national brands, which themselves were fed by two phenomena: the growth of mass media and freeways, which encouraged large stores in remote areas. Stores and brands together achieved scale efficiencies that allowed them to overwhelm local chain stores and regional brands."

"But the Internet is transforming the retail definition of scale. The once-stunning compilation of 142,000 items found in a Wal-Mart supercenter doesn't seem so vast alongside the millions of products available on the Internet. At the same time, the cost of creating and sustaining a national brand is rising because of media fragmentation."

Niche brands, promoted through Internet world-of-mouth, are stealing market share. One result is that "retail giant hold less sway over their customers - and their suppliers."

A case in point: Wal-Mart brought the barcode into our lives in 1984, when it demanded that all its suppliers have them as a way to help the store check people out more efficiently. But when the retailer jumped into the next big logistics technology, radio-frequency identification, in 2003, suppliers balked. Too expensive, they said. Sorry. We used to be scared of you, but we're just not that scared anymore.

Pakistani Army Losing To Al-Qaeda And Taliban

While Pakistanis picket about who's going to be president for the next five years, dark things are happening in the wilds of Waziristan.

Pakistan's government is losing its war against emboldened insurgent forces, giving al-Qaeda and the Taliban more territory in which to operate and allowing the groups to plot increasingly ambitious attacks, the Washington Post reports.

The radical Islamic fighters who were kicked out of Afghanistan by the 2001 U.S.-led invasion have intensified their campaign in Pakistan's tribal areas, now affecting major cities.

"Military officials say the insurgents have enhanced their ability to threaten not only Pakistan but the United States and Europe as well," the Post reports.

Meanwhile, Pakistan's military is considering pulling back from the fight in the face of mounting losses, officials say. They're not trained in counterinsurgency, they whine. The government is busy with "problems of legitimacy," the offer as an excuse.

They're also kind of embarrassed, the Post reports, ever since insurgents captured a convoy of 250 Pakistani soldiers a month ago without firing a shot. The soldiers, members of the sixth largest military in the world and recipients of $10 billion in U.S. military aid in recent years, are still in Taliban hands a month after they were taken hostage.

"In Waziristan, people are laughing at the army," said one tribal elder. "I really feel pity for those soldiers."

Anti-Smoking Police Kick Down Doors, Enter Apartments

We all knew this day would come. And, really, if we had to think about it, we probably also knew it would come first to California.

Smoking bans finally are inviting themselves into private homes this month, as lawmakers in two California cities are casting votes on unprecedented legislation that would let landlords and residents associations ban smoking inside apartments and condos, USA Today reports.

Today in Calbasas, the City Council plans to vote on expanding its anti-smoking law to bar renters from lighting up inside existing apartments. And next Tuesday, the City Council of Belmont is scheduled to cast a final vote on a similar measure.

Tens of thousands of apartments and condos have gone smoke-free in the past five years, management companies and health activists say. But legislating the bans is new.

Critics say the bans violate civil and property rights. The Belmont ban, in particular, has triggered outrage over the idea that a tenant could be evicted for lighting up. But few doubt that other cities will soon follow in its footsteps.


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by fstop100 October 3, 2007 9:53 AM PDT
Nice to see Wal Mart losing for a change. After all the damage they have done to all the Mom and Pop businesses, the low wages they pay employees and the spying they do on there own people to prevent unions they deserve to go belly up.
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by ljb6599 October 3, 2007 10:15 AM PDT
Hopefully yes!! Walmart is one the most disgusting corporations in the world.They have destroyed local businesses, especially in small towns. They treat their emplyoyees like dirt,do provide a liveable wage nor adequate health insurance.To top it off Walmart is one of the leading sellers of products from China.So if you want to buy your favorite lead based toys visit your local walmart.
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by nexgen99 October 3, 2007 10:17 AM PDT
Lets hope so. Their cheap products are poisoning our kids and costing American jobs.
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by ljb6599 October 3, 2007 10:18 AM PDT
Please correct my previous post.Walmart does not provide a liveable wage nor adequate health in surance to its''employees.
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by drinuk October 3, 2007 10:32 AM PDT
The Internet as nothing to do with the slump at Wal Mart, it has to do with the truly pathetic wages paid to employees, thus resulting in often, rude, incompetent and scruffy untidy service. The saying that to pay peanuts you get monkeys would be unkind to underpaid staff but the analogy applies. Wal Mart should go look at Marks & Spencer in the UK, smart intelligent helpful young people and always polite.
M&S are successfully riding out a sales downturn, not by selling cheap Chinese rubbish but with quality and a smile, it is a pleasure to spend in their stores which is more than I can say for Wal Mart.
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by missingamerica October 3, 2007 10:36 AM PDT
Kicking in doors to find smokers? My, my.

If this idea catches on, maybe next will be kicking down doors to find somebody sneaking a slice of pizza at 1:00 AM...''cuz ya know that stuff contributes to obesity and high cholesterol, two more "maladies" that impact the bottom lines of Business and the insurance industry.

At the rate personal liberties are under attack these days maybe those Matrix films were prophecy rather than speculative fiction.

Anybody ever done any investigative journalism aimed at finding out how much money the insurance industry provides to legislators who back such ideas?
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by lucy-in-tx October 3, 2007 11:05 AM PDT
Is The Internet Killing Wal-Mart?

Not fast enough!
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by eggy1620 October 3, 2007 11:09 AM PDT
WalMart did not put Mom and Pop out of business. We did by finally having a retail option that was actually open for business after our workday ended. I would love to patronize local retailers, but they all close at 5:00 pm. The few that do stay open have crud on their shelves that I would not take for free.
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by gunownerdan October 3, 2007 11:16 AM PDT
Anyone with any sense who kicks down people''s doors in America should expect a chunk of lead fired at their head.
And remember when George W. Bush said "We must get Osama Bin Laden dead or alive!"?
That was just another lie from our cheerleader-in-chief.
I wonder when Wal-Mart is going to start some communist youth groups in America like they have done in China.....
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by lewiston14 October 3, 2007 11:32 AM PDT
I bought a faucet for my kitchen sink yesterday at home depot. I looked at all of them and each one was made in China. I don''t know if you can even find a prodect 100% made in the USA anymore. China holds more bonds and other money tools then the US has. The sell off only started really not that long ago but we did sell most of it. I wonder if I can get a job with Haliburton. Least I know they will still be around And I can live with *** C as my boss. I just wont go hunting with him. He is a bad shot or then again maybe not such a bad shot after all. Just had the wrong shell. You need 00 buck to really bring down an old bird.
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by ssm9451 October 3, 2007 11:47 AM PDT
Walmart aka ChinaMart.
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by rick_vt October 3, 2007 12:15 PM PDT
Walmart was Star Trek''s Borg to the Mom & Pop stores across this country - swallowing everything in its path. I will have no sorrow if they go belly-up, in fact I''d like to see it sooner than later, let them choke on their own selfish creation.
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by usmcmike44 October 3, 2007 12:20 PM PDT
Can''t happen fast enough! I''d rather spend my time looking for something on the internet that walking up and down the aisles in Wally World and winding up with crappy stuff! YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR !!!!!
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by brianp55 October 3, 2007 12:34 PM PDT
"Is the internet killing Wal-Mart?"

Let''s hope so.
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by klingon69 October 3, 2007 12:37 PM PDT
Walmart was Star Trek''''s Borg to the Mom & Pop stores across this country - swallowing everything in its path. I will have no sorrow if they go belly-up, in fact I''''d like to see it sooner than later, let them choke on their own selfish creation.
Posted by Rick_VT at 12:15 PM : Oct 03, 2007

You will be assimilated, resistance is futile.

Actually, when Sam Walton opened Walmart, he did so to provide an inexpensive market for American-made goods. After his death a man named Glass took over, that was when you first started seeing alot of foreign products on the shelf. Now, the dream that was Walmart has become as a previous postr says:
China-Mart.
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by michellem99-2009 October 3, 2007 12:44 PM PDT
I don''t blame the internet. No sah. Wal*Mart sells junk. They have no pride. Yer have to watch what yer buying. I use the net to look up things. I would rather buy in a store. I will check if the stores carries the items and that helps as I can look up what is needed. We take the bus and go.
I hate smoking. Poeple will still do it.
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by georgew1956 October 3, 2007 12:47 PM PDT
but the people that can''t afford the internet

wal mart is a life saver but us surfers are only

thinking of ourselves i think. its a big world out

there.
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by erasmus6 October 3, 2007 12:54 PM PDT
I was going to say that maybe people have wised up and stopped going there because everything is made in China but then I realized that that probably isn''t so because everything there is "Made in China".

"I don''''t know if you can even find a prodect 100% made in the USA anymore." posted by lewiston14

If you come to Canada, you might find some things made in the U.S.A.:)
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by wilmer425 October 3, 2007 12:55 PM PDT
Sam Walton''s Wal-Mart, the one we actually loved, is dead. Sam wanted to sell USA made goods cheap. I remember going into the Wal-Mart in my hometown and seeing the "Made In the USA" Banner as I walked in. Now its all about being an over sized Super Center. Got to have more room for all that stuff they''re hauling in from China. It''s more expensive to go to K-Mart, but at least I can find some stuff thats American made, and I don''t have to trek all over the Super Center of death to find it.
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by hypnotoad72 October 3, 2007 1:08 PM PDT
The internet has killed lots of things.

It''s also brought up some new opportunities, but isn''t life more important than i-life?
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by reel-crazy October 3, 2007 1:27 PM PDT
China-Mart programmed the world into believing that they had the lowest prices through a very calculated process of deception after Sam''s death. USA-sold products disappeared rapidly. The filtration of Asian products emerged immediately to increase their margins, yet their prices never reflected a decrease in savings to the public.

I shopped a brand new Supercenter recently when it first opened out of curiousity since I had not been in a Wal-Mart store for several years. It was depressing and way too large. I won''t be back. As far as their grocery section was concerned, I found that my local Hy-Vee grocery chain has much cheaper prices and a far better selection.

I am still amazed every day and night, when I drive by their full parking lot, at just how many idiots continue to support them and their anti-American antics...
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by slim1h2o October 3, 2007 1:34 PM PDT
One thing to remember, Wal marts target shopper has been the poorer of people. When gas prices hit these prices we have today, shoppers had to cut back on their shopping habits, less they couldn''t afford other necessities, like food and of course gas to get to work.
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by slim1h2o October 3, 2007 1:38 PM PDT
I think it''s time for walmart to go by the wayside, they''ve done enough damage.
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by xlib October 3, 2007 1:46 PM PDT
This should make hill and barack''s wife happy. While they both have ties to Walmart, mostly hill, they''ve jumped on the anti-walmart bandwagon. Let''s keep that class warfare going guys. After all, look how "real folk" your dem leaders are.
Say, did edwards ever get those pesky Republicans that live across his compound to move?
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by djberson October 3, 2007 1:49 PM PDT
I am happy to honestly be able to say I have spent money in Walmart once, just to see what it was like. I have never spent another penny there or even stepped foot back inside one of those disgustingly ugly buildings. Walmart has been a blight, not blessing to our country. Morally irresponsible, purveying garbage, and scarring our landscape with eyesore "architecture". I cannot wait to say good riddance at last, and surely hope with that will come a rennaisannce of Main Street, and mom & pop establishments that are much more of an asset to our communities than the big-box retailer.
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by lewiston14 October 3, 2007 1:53 PM PDT
erasmus6 That was a good post. But now that I need a passport and big travel money I don%u2019t see it happening. Where do you think we get most of our high quality lumber Canada and many other things. I have no problem with that. I have a problem sending billions 15,000 miles away but what is a regular person like me going to do? They stock what they stock. Canada is a good partner. I can%u2019t wait to see how much lead comes out of my new faucet like I have a choice anymore. I think we should out source everything else we have left including the wars and when no one is able to pay their bills let somebody else worry about it Im not going to loose any sleep over a bill. This is why god created China made plastic trash cans and China made plastic bags.

As far as breaking into people houses for smoking they better get a bigger morgue because people have had just about enough of government. Lew
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by roach9703 October 3, 2007 2:22 PM PDT
From what I have seen over the past five years or so, Wal-Mart is no worse than the other retail stores out there. The quality of items, if one shops carefully, are the same at Wal-Mart as at other stores, except, in most cases, Wal-Mart is cheaper. What you see is what you get at Wal-Mart. There is less deception at Wal-Mart than in other places. I do NOT find that the integrity of local stores any better than Wal-Mart, and from what I have seen, especially with their drug store operation, I find that Wal-Mart has MORE integrity. It was for integrity issues that I started looking at, and how shop at Wal Mart.
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by charlesdjohn October 3, 2007 2:35 PM PDT
This story failed to mention my reason for refusing to shop at Wal-Mart. Basically, they gave in to the gun ban crowd and stopped selling rifles & shotguns at many of their stores. I am pro gun so if they want to bring back the firearms then I will bring back the money!
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by walt1944-2009 October 3, 2007 2:45 PM PDT
I have been to my neighborhood Wal-Mart several times this year, and am surprised at how the prices have been going up at the store(apparently, Wal-Mart upper corporate managers are becoming more greedy!), and the reaction has been that less people are shopping there. I have heard complaints from customers in the aisles that the "basics" like milk and bread are actually cheaper AT WALGREENS!!! The prices for electronics, CDs, and DVDs, are comparible to Best Buy and Suncoast Video, and even cheaper on the web. And Wal-Mart''s clothes are expensive and no one likes what they see, going instead to small neighborhood stores where they get what they want, not what Wal-Mart wants them to get.

The pendulumn is starting to swing back to the small, AND CONVENIENT neighborhood store, which has a lower overhead to pass on to the consumer, is easier to get to, and you find what you want quickly.

So, all you Wal-Mart corporate managers, either open your eyes to what you are doing to Sam Welton''s dream, or go the way of Montgomery Wards, Spiegel''s, and Sears.

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by tonic1661 October 3, 2007 2:46 PM PDT



By saving fuel costs, I save the same savings that

Wal-Mart offers by shopping closer to my home.

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by shanev137 October 3, 2007 2:52 PM PDT
I hope so.
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by jhoelscher1 October 3, 2007 3:04 PM PDT
Wal-Mart has ruined enough small businesses so there is no real competition and they can raise prices, but people will alway go where the prices are lower, always!!! Supply and Demand.... lower the prices and they will come.... I think Drew Carey said that or maybe it was Jerry Seinfeld. Whoever said it, it is still true.
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by erasmus6 October 3, 2007 3:07 PM PDT
Not everyone is RICH. There are a lot of people out there that are barely making ends meet and if it wasn''t for Wal-Mart they wouldn''t be able to afford anything. There is no difference in the quality of most things. They have the same brands as most other stores, only they are selling them cheaper. The problem is that everything is made in China and we need to stop buying things from China. But it isn''t just Wal-Mart that sells things from CHINA. What people need to start doing is TELLING Wal-Mart that unless they stop selling things from China, they will shop somewhere else. Of course like I said though, everywhere else sells things from China also.

This c-r-a-p about the stuff in Wal-Mart being poor quality is just that,C-R-A-P. I don''t know about the U.S. but in Canada they sell exactly the same brands as everyone else.

My father-in-law bought some VERY expensive binoculars from a store that sold popular brand name stuff once. My husband and I saw the exact same binoculars, same brand, at another store for A LOT less money. I asked him why he would spend that kind of money on them when he could get it so much cheaper at another store. He told me that because they were more money, they must be better quality. Now the sad thing is that there are others out there that believe that too. We are talking about the SAME pair of binoculars, identical, same brand name. There is no difference in quality. What there is is stores taking people for a ride and ripping them off!
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by slim1h2o October 3, 2007 3:23 PM PDT
We are talking about the SAME pair of binoculars, identical, same brand name. There is no difference in quality. What there is is stores taking people for a ride and ripping them off!


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Posted by erasmus6 at 03:07 PM : Oct 03, 2007

erasums6; You never heard of 2nd''s, brand name products with some kind of flaw? Well, thats what Wal mart sells, the products that have a small flaw on/in them. Most people can''t tell, but they are there.

Buy GE lightbulbs there and see how long they last. Then buy them at a Lowes or somewhere like that, and see how long those same bulbs last. I think you''ll be surprised. Thats why Wal mart is cheaper.
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by oscarez October 3, 2007 3:30 PM PDT
"What people need to start doing is TELLING Wal-Mart that unless they stop selling things from China, they will shop somewhere else."

Posted by erasmus6 at 03:07 PM : Oct 03, 2007

Did you know that despite a well-publicized "Made in the U.S.A." campaign, 85 percent of a Wal-Mart stores'' items are made overseas, often in Third World sweatshops. It is to late to stop this now.
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by erasmus6 October 3, 2007 3:31 PM PDT
"...but people will alway go where the prices are lower, always!!!" posted by jhoelscher1

Given a choice, they most certainly will.

I moved to a town where the stores cater to the RICH. Why? I have no idea. I am not rich, but neither am I poor.

In this town everthing is mostly little EXPENSIVE shops. They do have a Zellers department store and have just built a HomeDepot but that is about it. Now they are building a Wal-Mart and that has everyone jumping up and down. They say it will put the small businesses out of business.

When I first moved here I was looking for a Hobbie or craft store and I finally found a small one. I wanted to buy some embroidery floss. Now this embroidery floss costs around 32 cents each at Michael''s and I had to pay 85 cents each at this little dinky store. That is more than double the price!!! That is absolutely ridiculous! I wouldn''t pay that if I was RICH! I could afford to pay it, but why should I? These people should be put out of business for ripping people off. Now that Wal-Mart is going in maybe these people will have to come down off their high horses.
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by klingon69 October 3, 2007 3:31 PM PDT
The pendulumn is starting to swing back to the small, AND CONVENIENT neighborhood store, which has a lower overhead to pass on to the consumer, is easier to get to, and you find what you want quickly.

So, all you Wal-Mart corporate managers, either open your eyes to what you are doing to Sam Welton''''s dream, or go the way of Montgomery Wards, Spiegel''''s, and Sears.
Posted by walt1944 at 02:45 PM : Oct 03, 2007

Now, we all know that Walmart did not start the erosion of "main street" and the end of the mom&pop stores, it mere was there to nail on the lid. The real culprit was the Malls. People (especially women) wanted the convenience of having everything under one roof, that way they could get their prescriptions, clothes, latest movie...etc without having to drive all over town. The elements that are destroying Walmart (although it will never really be gone, another one will rise up from the ashes) are also starting to tear down the large malls. The local one in my town has nothing, unless you want shoes, jewelry or clothes.
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by erasmus6 October 3, 2007 3:40 PM PDT
slim1h2o

When I was talking about the binoculars being cheaper at another store, I wasn''t talking about Wal-Mart.

Also I don''t know what it is like in the States but here anything that has a FLAW must be stated on the packaging or in the advertisement of the product.

Now if you were to go to a dollar kind of store, you might find something that LOOKS identical to another brand, but isn''t the SAME brand and it could be inferior.
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by klingon69 October 3, 2007 3:43 PM PDT
Quit smoking about 5 yrs ago, but this does not bode well for the citizenry. If they get this through, what will be their reason next time.
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by erasmus6 October 3, 2007 3:46 PM PDT
"It is to late to stop this now." posted by Oscarez

Sorry, I disagree. It is NEVER too late. All people have to do is start complaining and stop buying all products form China. The problem is that people are just to LAZY to do that. They b-i-t-ch and complain but will do nothing to try and change things. If people stop buying and bombard them with phone calls they will have no choice but to change. NO MONEY, NO BUSINESS!
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by slim1h2o October 3, 2007 3:49 PM PDT
erasmus6;

Here in the States, Wal Mart is/was our dollar store, when Sam was alive. And yes it is posted, well used to be anyways. But do as I suggested in my earlier post, don''t take my word for it, but I think you''ll be surprised.
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by erasmus6 October 3, 2007 4:18 PM PDT
slim1h2o

Like I said, nothing can be sold here if it is flawed, without it being stated.I have shopped at Wal-Mart many times and have NEVER found anything that has said that it is flawed.

Also we have another store that has even cheaper priced stuff than Wal-Mart in it. It is called the Canadian Superstore. Neither Wal-Mart or the Superstore can be classified as a dollar store. A dollar store sells things that are no more than a dollar. Anyways, at the Superstore, I can buy make up and many things for up to $5.00 cheaper. I am talking about Cover Girl, Mabeline or whatever. I can buy my CHEERIOS made by GENERAL MILLS for $2.50, whereas at Safeway or any other store I would be paying $6 or $7. I can assure you that these things are NOT flawed.

People have been brainwashed into thinking that if they aren''t paying more for something there must be something wrong with it. NOT SO. At least where I live it isn''t like that.

I am thinking that you may have a problem in the U.S. with not being able to believe in what you are getting. Like your medications and stuff, for instance. If I have to get a particular medication, it is a guarantee that what it says is in it,IS IN IT.
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by christiansin October 3, 2007 4:27 PM PDT

Innovation is the best thing for eliminating a conglomeration of power. Large companies are forced to either buy out or crush small innovators in order to retain their power and monopoly positions. Arguably the free market economy suffers from such large companies as a result, both while they dominate, and then later while they fall.
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by slim1h2o October 3, 2007 5:05 PM PDT
Posted by erasmus6 at 04:18 PM : Oct 03, 2007

Well Canada must have continouse rainbows, always springtime and gold dust in your eyes of blue, and angels suddenly appear.......etc, etc....Walmart sells 2nd quality, or 2nd tier products here. I know, I quit buying that *** long ago, Oh and I stopped buying the notion that the American dream is attainable and true too! It doesn''t exsist, it was a scam! I know , I lived it, Like Wal mart sells junk.

Now medicine, thats a different story.
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by erasmus6 October 3, 2007 5:11 PM PDT
slim1h2o

Well, all I can say is that I feel very sorry for you. It must be awful living in such a corrupt country. Hearing what your country is like makes me feel like there are continuous rainbows and springtime .....:)
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by slim1h2o October 3, 2007 5:23 PM PDT
Well erasmus6, if it wasn''t so cold up there I would move there. I grew up in upstate NY and that was too cold there.

I think Canada is nice country otherwise, just got on a little tiff about walmart. And I need to tip my hat to the Carpenters, half my post was their words.

Ya this country blows any more. Been lied to ever since I started working. Work hard and this will happen, that will happen,......blah,........blah doesn''t work like that. It''s always who ya know, and who b low here
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by erasmus6 October 3, 2007 5:33 PM PDT
"Well erasmus6, if it wasn''''t so cold up there I would move there. I grew up in upstate NY and that was too cold there." posted by slim1h2o

I hate to tell you this, but we don''t live in igloos like some people think. Where I live, (and with global warming :))the temperatures can reach 80 to 90 degrees and the winters are, for the mostpart, fairly mild. We do get some snow but really not that much.
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by slim1h2o October 3, 2007 5:33 PM PDT
Now medicine, thats a different story.


Differrent story, same end result, that blows here too erasmus6
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by slim1h2o October 3, 2007 5:38 PM PDT
I hate to tell you this, but we don''''t live in igloos like some people think. Where I live, (and with global warming :))the temperatures can reach 80 to 90 degrees and the winters are, for the mostpart, fairly mild. We do get some snow but really not that much.


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Posted by erasmus6 at 05:33 PM : Oct 03, 2007

Hey, what did I say, I know you don''t live in igloos. I''m from upstate like I said, Thats too cold for me. GOT IT!! Now I know your just trying to p i s s me off
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by erasmus6 October 3, 2007 5:39 PM PDT
slim1h2o

I really think you would be so much happier if you moved to Canada (west).

NO GUNS ALLOWED, though! :)
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