Third Party? Maybe, Say Christian Leaders

Meeting Of Influential Conservatives Reflects Frustration Over Current GOP Field

(AP)  Some of the most politically influential conservative Christians in the U.S., alarmed by the prospect of a Republican presidential nominee who supports abortion rights, are considering backing a third-party candidate.

More than 40 Christian conservatives attended a meeting Saturday in Salt Lake City to discuss the possibility, and planned more gatherings on how they should move forward, according to Richard A. Viguerie, the direct-mail expert and longtime conservative activist.

Other participants in the meeting included James Dobson, founder of the Focus on the Family evangelical ministry in Colorado Springs, Colorado, and, according to Viguerie, Tony Perkins, head of the Family Research Council, a conservative policy group in Washington.

However, Dobson spoke out against the idea of a third party even if “both Democratic and Republican nominees are known to be entirely unsupportive of the sanctity of human life, the institution of marriage and other aspects of the pro-moral agenda,” according to Gary Schneeberger, a spokesman for Focus on the Family Action.

A spokesman for Perkins did not respond to requests for comment Monday.

Viguerie would not give specifics of the proposal or reveal additional names of participants, but said President George W. Bush “would not have been elected in '04 without the people in that room.”

“There is such jaundiced feelings about any promises or commitments from any Republican leaders,” he said in a phone interview. “You could almost cut the anger and the frustration with a knife in that room it's so strong. Because they don't know what else to do, they're talking third party.”

A spokesman for the Republican National Committee did not respond to a request for comment.

The participants were in Salt Lake City for a separate meeting of the secretive Council for National Policy, a group of conservative business, religious and political leaders that was co-founded years ago by Tim LaHaye, author of the “Left Behind” series of books. Vice President Dick Cheney flew into the city Friday to address the group, according to The Salt Lake Tribune.

Christian conservatives, who hold considerable sway in the Republican Party, have been deeply unhappy about the field of Republican presidential candidates.

Dobson has said he would not support Rudy Giuliani, calling the former New York mayor an “unapologetic supporter of abortion on demand.” Dobson has also rejected former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson as wrong on social issues, and would not back John McCain because of the Arizona senator's opposition to a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage.

Viguerie said conservatives “are still open” to former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, but said, “we haven't seen anything that guarantees that he will hold to the positions that he's articulating.” Romney has been questioned about his record on gay rights.

However, the proposal to consider a third-party candidate comes from anger that the Republicans whom Christians have helped elect for decades have failed to act on policy issues important to evangelicals on abortion, marriage and school prayer.

“Conservatives have been treated like a mistress as long as any of us can remember,” Viguerie said. “They'll have lots of private meetings with us, tell us how much they appreciate it and how much they value us, but if you see me on the street please don't speak with me.”

A third-party run would be a long shot, requiring millions of dollars and challenges to ballot access. Such a bid could prove disastrous for the Republicans by splitting the conservative vote.

[jsilver2th]

WOW- They finally figured it out!!!

%u201CConservatives have been treated like a mistress as long as any of us can remember,%u201D Viguerie said. %u201CThey''ll have lots of private meetings with us, tell us how much they appreciate it and how much they value us, but if you see me on the street please don''t speak with me.%u201D

This is what the "blues" have been telling them for years- wake up and smell the roses- you''ve been had-

[thelovegod]

I believe C-cons will wind up not running a 3rd party candidate. They will just pick the lesser of two weevils and vote for him/her. I think when the politics gets to a certain point of frustration, they will default to "render under Caeser" mode and just stay out of it. Which is the way it should be, in my opinion. Jesus never ran for public office, nor did he exhort his followers to it. He was sorta at odds with government, in fact; if I remember my Sunday School lessons correctly.

[kansas1946]

Great idea. Then maybe the Republican party can get back to its roots. Smaller government, fiscal responsibility, and a reduced tax burden. They have been pandering so long to the whacked out right that they have had to settle for inferior candidates, like the one in the White House.

[missingamerica]

I don''t agree with many of the positions espoused on behalf of "conservative Christians", but I do feel sorry for them.

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, Bremer, & Wolfowitz, LLP (v0) did a masterful job of using them.

[dmhphils]

It is too bad that the opinion of most unbelievers is formed by the bozos they see on tv calling themselves men of God while most have been money hungry weirdos, blind leaders of the blind and both falling into ditches left and right. But the argument that Christians should not be in politics is ludicrous. If you eliminated all the Christians who participated as founding fathers, writers of the declaration of Independence and the constitution, we would have no country at all. Study the life of Abraham Lincoln and you will see a man deeply devoted and dependent on God, not only personally but politically. And you want me to believe that we have a lesser need for politicians like him now. HOGWASH!

[Renegade.Rivers]

"Study the life of Abraham Lincoln and you will see a man deeply devoted and dependent on God, not only personally but politically. And you want me to believe that we have a lesser need for politicians like him now. HOGWASH!"

Indeed is is hog wash, Abraham Lincoln was an agnostic, and there is some evidence to support the idea that he might have been bisexual.

"The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma." spoken by Abraham Lincoln.

So much for that theory.

[dmhphils]

The truth: Abraham Lincoln''s reply to loyal colored people of Baltimore upon presentation of a Bible Sept. 7, 1864: "In regard to this Great Book I have but say, it is the best gift God has given to man. All the good the Savior have to the world was communicated through this book." And there are hundreds more..

[rafterman1]

===More than 40 Christian conservatives attended a meeting Saturday in Salt Lake City to discuss the possibility===

This is the largest known concentration of hypocrisy and fake religious belief in history, matched only when the major political parties get together for their conventions.

[telltruth99]

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[markmn29]

How can anyone take these people serious. These are the same people that put W in the white house, not once but twice. Why would we want to continue going down this deep dark path of hatred. Religion is the root of all Evil.

[cdfoxtrot]

Hallelujah! To all those nutty, far-right "Christy" types, go ahead, and set up your own party. Please do. It will be so joyous for the rest of us to see y''all go down in flames.

[likeitis5050]

Hhahahahaaa!!! Poetic, ain''t it? Sad day when you can''t trust the people you paid for from the tithing fund. Sad day when you''ve become so heavenly bound that you''re no earthly good anymore!

[lastdance2]

Christian Right = Christian Hate
Jesus Taught Love - - Lucifer (Satan) Teaches Hate
The opposite of Love = Hate
The opposite of Chirst = Anti-Christ

Lucifer as driven out of heaven - Because he wanted to be : God

The one Privilege That belongs - Only - to God
The Right and the Privilege - To Judge - The human Spirit - The human Soul

The people who follow the Emissaries of Lucifer (Satan) teach their Followers
They have the Right to Judge - The human Spirit and The human Soul

The Issue doesn''t matter - Abortion - Homosexuality - Whatever the issue
Only the followers of Lucifer (Satan) have Given Themselves
The right and the privilege that belongs - Only to - God

The Right and Privilege - To Judge - The Human Spirit and The Human Soul

Lastdance

[dakotaclark]

Hmmm...

I%u2019m a Republican since the first time I could vote for Barry Goldwater. I am conservative, but consider things on their own merit. I am a man who does not believe grey-haired men should legislate what women cannot do with their bodies. Abortion is between women and their God.

Christian conservatives hijacked the GOP, to promote their version of Biblical life upon all Republicans. They know nothing about King James, the homosexual, Bible editor. (According to books detailing Scotland''s history).

King James disliked women, but married to provide an heir. Women were chattel, like farm animals, subservient to men. He was afraid of witches, demons and the devil. As King, people saw him in public and court, fondling and kissing young men.

He edited the Bible to protect his privileges. The 60 scholars %u2018hired%u2019 to, %u201Ctranslate the ancient tongues,%u201D did so at great risk. Within their preface, they did disavow it, writing it was %u201Cthe King%u2019s own work.%u201D

So, %u201Cconservative Christians%u201D need to wake up and smell the coffee. All these years you have been living your life according to the dictates of a whacko, homosexual King. It would be a very good for the Christians to form their own party.

If Rudy is the Republican nominee, I will vote for the Democrat; because does not have the endorsement of the most of the firefighters of New York City.

[dmhphils]

So, if Christian Right is equal to Christian Hate, why is it that the Christian right wants to save the LIFE of the unborn? If you libs were still in the womb and the knife pierced your placenta, you would be screaming, "Save me, save me" as your limbs were being severed. How is this hate? Somebody has their wires crossed big-time. The problem is that many women don''t won''t to be accountable for their actions. The truth is, they HAVE a choice and they made their choice, but don''t won''t to live with it so they off the little buger and say, "I''m free to kill junior if I want". What if it was you under the knife?

[lastdance2]

RE : dmhphils

You prove my point exactly - - Your statement only proves -

Only the followers of Lucifer (Satan) have Given Themselves
The right and the privilege that belongs - Only to - God

The Right and Privilege - To Judge - The Human Spirit and The Human Soul


Christian Right = Christian Hate
Jesus Taught Love - - Lucifer (Satan) Teaches Hate
The opposite of Love = Hate
The opposite of Chirst = Anti-Christ

Lastdance

[lastdance2]

RE : dmhphils

Judgement is what - Defeats you - as a Christian

Judgement is what - Defeats you - as a Human

Lastdance

[starleo146]

This is the largest known concentration of hypocrisy and fake religious belief in history, matched only when the major political parties get together for their conventions.

Posted by Rafterman1 at 09:16 PM : Oct 01, 2007
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Hey Pesos the south is fixing to leave and start there own party.Wonder who there leader will be.

[dmhphils]

lastdance2....no one is judging you, just disagreeing! Who judged the unborn child? Who made the decision, the judgement that he CANNOT LIVE??

[lastdance2]

RE : dmhphils - You keep talking in circles - - - -

Again : You prove my point exactly - - Your statement once again proves -

Only the followers of Lucifer (Satan) have Given Themselves
The right and the privilege that belongs - Only to - God

The Right and Privilege - To Judge - The Human Spirit and The Human Soul

Judgement is what - Defeats you - as a Christian

Judgement is what - Defeats you - as a Human


Christian Right = Christian Hate
Jesus Taught Love - - Lucifer (Satan) Teaches Hate
The opposite of Love = Hate
The opposite of Chirst = Anti-Christ

Lastdance

[dmhphils]

lastdance2.....why can''t you answer the question? Who makes the judgement on the unborn? Who decides if they have the right to live?

[sftodd]

Anyone that pays attention knows that the right has always used the abortion issue to control the less-intelligent god-fearing people in this country. To republicans, it''s well worth it ($) to deny women the right to choose, in exchange for millions of votes from sheep who are too blind to see that republicans always put money and oil before life. Democrats are too honest to use such a deceitful tactic, which is one reason they are always at a disadvantage, despite having policies that generally favor justice and the common good. The other reason democrats are at a disadvantage is because they keep supporting "the lesser of two evils" when they should clean up their own house. I hope the Christian right does start a third party -- it will give rational and intelligent Americans a chance to start a fourth party. For now, we are forced to hold our noses while we vote democrat.

[jn122736]

Great idea. Then maybe the Republican party can get back to its roots. Smaller government, fiscal responsibility, and a reduced tax burden. They have been pandering so long to the whacked out right that they have had to settle for inferior candidates, like the one in the White House.
Posted by kansas1946 at 08:14 PM : Oct 01, 2007
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Reduced tax burden??

Thanks to the Reagan-Bush-republican Borrow and spend policies the national debt ($9 trillion)will still be there no matter what party is in power.
America cannot just ignore this debt. The $500 billion in interest Must be paid EVERY year even if the debt is not lowered.

[cozzicon]

"Jesus Taught Love - - Lucifer (Satan) Teaches Hate
The opposite of Love = Hate
The opposite of Christ = Anti-Christ

Lastdance"

No no no my man.... you have it wrong.

The opposite of love is not hate.

The opposite of love is *fear*.

Hate is what happens to you when the person or thing you fear, defends itself from your attack, and that defense is taken personally.

[klifton2-2009]

It does not matter how many parties there are or whatever name you wish to call them, the fact remains quite clear that the American voting public is incapable of picking good political leaders. Look at the heap of garbage that is in the WH today and then take a close look at the next probable resident. It is scary! Most if not all of them are only good at getting themselves voted into office and power and nothing more! The don''t care about you or me or anything else other than themselves and profiteering while they are in office. The rate at which things are developing and have developed, round about any fool can be voted to be president. Bush is an excellent example.

[middleman8]

Please, Please don''t quote the "founding fathers". They were a bunch of slave owning, self righteous bigots who elected
a traitor to lead them. (another George).

[sftodd]

Oooh, don''t frighten us! Nothing would scare me more than if right-wing Christians became totally irrelevant! LOL!

[jerr11]

This Dobson guy is as scary as they come.

I bet if Jesus showed up on his doorstep today, he would be the first to crucify him again.

A homeless self-proclaimed messiah, with a bunch of misfits and a prostitute hanging around him, that should scare the h e l l out of this self-righteous pompous old F A R T.

[sftodd]

-Typical.....insulting Christians. Such a common tactic among leftist liberals.
Posted by singinrick at 01:07 AM : Oct 02, 2007

Sweety, if you can''t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Oops, I forgot the Bible commands you to stay in the kitchen, never mind.

[brianbwb-2009]

No one can become a leader of the US without corruption, This country was born from corruption, suckled with the blood of genocide, and raised on the fruits of slavery.

If by some miracle it did happen that the public could come to know about and elect an "incorruptible" leadership, they would be "JFK''ed" before the first month was out.

[mh4cbs1]

GOOD. The more political parties the better.

The Corporate Owned Republicrats are running our Nation into the ground.

Notice how the Republicans don''t whine and complaign about a thrid party, like Perot in 1992. But when Nader runs, the corporate Democrats whine like 2 year olds. "He''s stealing OUR votes" they cry. "What a big ego he has"

If Hillary wins the nomination I''m voting GREEN PARTY, the ONLY Peace Party. The only Party that doesn''t take help of any kind of support from corporate donors, lobbyists, and other swine.

[micma-2009]

singinrick

If you are such a Christian then why do you look at so much porn? And why is it always the really crazy kinky stuff? Do your wife and kids know? I doubt they would approve.

[micma-2009]

The more parties the better. Maybe it would be harder for the corporations and special interests to subvert our Democracy.

[lastdance2]

Christian Right = Christian Hate
Jesus Taught Love - - Lucifer (Satan) Teaches Hate
The opposite of Love = Hate
The opposite of Chirst = Anti-Christ

Lucifer as driven out of heaven - Because he wanted to be : God

The one Privilege That belongs - Only - to God
The Right and the Privilege - To Judge - The human Spirit - The human Soul

The people who follow the Emissaries of Lucifer (Satan) teach their Followers
They have the Right to Judge - The human Spirit and The human Soul

The Issue doesn''t matter - Abortion - Homosexuality - Whatever the issue
Only the followers of Lucifer (Satan) have Given Themselves
The right and the privilege that belongs - Only to - God

The Right and Privilege - To Judge - The Human Spirit and The Human Soul

Lastdance

[jimfinster]

Being a Christian conservative myself I must admit that there aren''t really any strong candidates in the Republican party running this time from a moral and social standpoint. Voting for the lesser of the 2 evils will be the determining factor come election time.
Posted by singinrick at 01:03 AM : Oct 02, 2007

WOW! Newsflash folks, singinrick is a CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVE! Rick, we never knew!

Seriously, I have to chuckle at your forlon post. But you really don''t get it. The more conservative and "moral" the Republican nominee is, the bigger his loss will be. After 8 years of good old GWB, Americans are thoroughly sick of that fake pious crappola.

[jimfinster]

Council for National Policy:

TheocracyWatch, a CRESP project, describes it as "an umbrella organization of right-wing leaders who gather regularly to plot strategy, share ideas and fund causes and candidates to advance the theocratic agenda."[5] Southeastern Louisiana University philosophy professor Barbara Forrest says of the Council for National Policy "The CNP membership also includes a sizeable segment of Christian Reconstructionists: "Reconstructionists espouse a radical theology that calls for trashing the U.S. Constitution and replacing it with the harsh legal code of the Old Testament. They advocate the death penalty for adulterers, blasphemers, incorrigible teen-agers, gay people, ''witches'' and those who worship ''false gods''.

DAMMMM! These guys sound like the Taliban! I wonder how many people realize what this organization is really all about???

[realpatriot1]

singinrick,

Where do you get that sftodd insulted Christians in his post about a 3rd party? His point was it would dilute the conservative vote and make it safer for leftists to dilute the Democratic vote by forming their own party.

That development would greatly benefit both the Democratic and Republican PArties.

Now that was truly an insult of both Christian cultural conservatives and ultra-left paranoia coming from a liberal Christian. You see, you are not the anointed spokesperson for all Christians.

[jimfinster]

An elite group with only a few hundred members, the CNP meets three times a year, usually at posh hotels or resorts, going to extraordinary lengths to keep its agenda and membership secret. According to members willing to speak about it, however, the council unites right-wing billionaires with scores of conservative Christian activists and politicians, and these encounters have spawned countless campaigns and organizations.

Supported by moneybags such as Texas oilman Nelson Bunker Hunt, Amway founder Richard DeVos and beer magnate Joseph Coors, some in the group helped fund Oliver North''s secret campaign to aid the Nicaraguan contra rebels during the 1980s and financed the right-wing jihad against President Clinton in the 1990s. (The impeachment effort was reportedly conceived at a June 1997 meeting of the CNP in Montreal.) In addition, the group has funded an army of Christian organizers. Falwell says that in the past two decades, he has raised hundreds of millions of dollars for his ventures, including Liberty University, through the CNP. "My guess is that literally billions of dollars have been utilized through the Council for National Policy that would not otherwise have been available," he says. Bush attended a CNP meeting at the start of his presidential campaign in 1999 to seek support, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld took part in the group''s gathering last April in Washington, D.C.

[dmhphils]

The pitiful thing is, jimfinster, you are absolutely right. Since we have a representative government, the more moral and conservative a nominee is, the greater the loss, only illuminates the true moral condition of our country. Instead of gloating, you should be mourning, but that is only for those who greive.

[mcvet]

The pitiful thing is, jimfinster, you are absolutely right. Since we have a representative government, the more moral and conservative a nominee is, the greater the loss, only illuminates the true moral condition of our country. Instead of gloating, you should be mourning, but that is only for those who greive

Posted by dmhphils at 06:37 AM : Oct 02, 2007
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Could you or anyone else in the Religious Reich give us all a date, a SPECIFIC DATE in time, when YOU think this nation was more "Moral" than it is today? I''ve asked you losers this question over and over and have never gotten an answer. There has to be a date certain we can discuss isn''t there IF you are right! The Problem is folks they can''t give you a date certain because when you roll the calendar back to that date and look at "Christian Conservatives" during THAT time, it''s embarrassing. Not only are they wrong they are so WRONG no one would admit it. So let''s have it all you Religious Nuts out there, what''s the date? 1956? 1948? What''s a good date we can look at? Sieg Heil and Amen

[antoniof123]

Posted by MCVet at 07:41 AM : Oct 02, 2007

The problem with the moral right wing is they believe that the past was better than the present and the future. They are nut cases and I for one would like to see them leave the Republican party maybe it would go back to being the Grand Old Party. But as soon as any party starts to pick up pace they like vultures jump on board and try to take it over. So I say let the losers go and we can pretty much shut them down.

[mcvet]

The problem with the moral right wing is they believe that the past was better than the present and the future. They are nut cases and I for one would like to see them leave the Republican party maybe it would go back to being the Grand Old Party. But as soon as any party starts to pick up pace they like vultures jump on board and try to take it over. So I say let the losers go and we can pretty much shut them down.


Posted by antoniof123 at 08:04 AM : Oct 02, 2007
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These people are NOT going to leave the Republican Party, they finally have a "National Party" which is why the left the Democrat Party in the first place. These people will only leave the Republican Party when and if the Party decides to kick them out. Putting a Pro Choice Canidate on the ticket in this next election would, in effect, kick them out in much the same way that the Democrats forcing a vote on the Civil Rights Act forced them out of that party.

[radiob-2009]

There are no statesman running on either side of the aisle, no men or women of integrity what are the chances of the this loose "coalition" finding one?

[lastdance2]

Christian Right = Christian Hate
Jesus Taught Love - - Lucifer (Satan) Teaches Hate
The opposite of Love = Hate
The opposite of Chirst = Anti-Christ

Lucifer as driven out of heaven - Because he wanted to be : God

The one Privilege That belongs - Only - to God
The Right and the Privilege - To Judge - The human Spirit - The human Soul

The people who follow the Emissaries of Lucifer (Satan) teach their Followers
They have the Right to Judge - The human Spirit and The human Soul

It doesn''t matter - Abortion - Homosexuality - Whatever the issue
Only the followers of Lucifer (Satan) have Given Themselves the right
and the privilege that belongs - Only to - God

The Right and Privilege - To Judge - The Human Spirit and The Human Soul

Lastdance

[eggy1620]

Tuckerndfw is completely correct. The far right fringe of Christians is more concerned with power than faith. They obsess over the acquiring the power to force upon everyone else how to live their lives. I do not recall anywhere in the gospels that Jesus instructed his followers to install governors who will enforce his teachings upon the land. That was strictly a Roman notion.

[eggy1620]

Tuckerndfw is completely correct. The far right fringe of Christians is more concerned with power than faith. They obsess over the acquiring the power to force upon everyone else how to live their lives. I do not recall anywhere in the gospels that Jesus instructed his followers to install governors who will enforce his teachings upon the land. That was strictly a Roman notion.

[three-o-six]

Boy
I find it interesting that these posts accuse the Christian Right of hate yet these posts seeth of hatred. I would conclude that most of these people are guilty of the very transgression they accuse the Christian Right of.

[liberalvet]

If you eliminated all the Christians who participated as founding fathers, writers of the declaration of Independence and the constitution, we would have no country at all. Study the life of Abraham Lincoln and you will see a man deeply devoted and dependent on God, not only personally but politically. And you want me to believe that we have a lesser need for politicians like him now. HOGWASH!


Posted by dmhphils at 08:31 PM : Oct 01, 2007

First off get your facts straight. Our founding fathers were NOT christians. The early presidents and patriots were generally Deists or Unitarians, believing in some form of impersonal Providence but rejecting the divinity of Jesus and the absurdities of the Old and New testaments.

Jefferson supported the separation of church and state and was the author of the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom (1779, 1786).

So stop attempting to rewrite history to support your invalid statements. But like good like christian NEOCON lying to get your way is not a sin.

[kansas1946]

I knew god loved us.

Gosh I hope it''''s true and the so called Christian conservatives do form a third party!

This will diminish the clout of the so called CHRISTIAN VALUE RIGHT WING(NUT) FACTION for a long long time! And it will free the GOP to go back to its original conservative roots sans the bigotry!


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Posted by ozilot at 12:51 PM : Oct 02, 2007
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LOL. Amen, ozilot. Ain''t it the truth. :o)

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