Washington's Debate: What To Do With Iran?

Tensions Rise As A New Report Claims The Pentagon Is Redrawing Strike Plans Against Iran

(CBS)  An American strike on Iran would be "another disastrous foreign policy decision" for the United States, Democratic presidential candidate Bill Richardson said Sunday on Face The Nation, after a report claimed that the Bush administration has ordered the Pentagon to update its attack plans.

"It would be enormously unwise for the Bush administration to start another war before ending this tragic war we're in today," Richardson told Bob Schieffer. "And it does sound like the administration is ramping up - you can just see it."

The White House has long claimed that Iran is secretly enriching uranium to build nuclear weapons, but U.S. officials have shifted their focus toward claims that Iran is supporting anti-American forces in neighboring Iraq.

While Iran denies both accusations, the U.S. Senate voted Wednesday 76-22 in favor of a resolution urging the State Department to designate Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps a terrorist organization.

The proposal attracted overwhelming bipartisan support, but a small group of Democrats said they feared labeling the state-sponsored organization a terrorist group could be interpreted as a congressional authorization of military force against Iran.

In a new article in the New Yorker, Seymour Hersch writes that the focus of the Pentagon's new plan is not Iran's nuclear facilities but other bases that allegedly send terrorists - and explosives - into Iraq, to kill Americans.

"The focus of the plans had been a broad bombing attack, with targets including Iran's known and suspected nuclear facilities and other military and infrastructure sites," Hersch writes. "Now the emphasis is on 'surgical' strikes on Revolutionary Guard Corps facilities in Tehran and elsewhere, which, the Administration claims, have been the source of attacks on Americans in Iraq."

President Bush acknowledged the chance for military confrontation with Iranian forces in a speech last month, saying, "I have authorized our military commanders in Iraq to confront Tehran's murderous activities."

But, in a meeting with CBS News executives on Friday, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said, "We still believe that the diplomatic track has legs and can still resolve this if we remain very tough on that track."

Rice also said, however, that the president hasn't taken the military option "off the table."

Two foreign policy experts who appeared on Face The Nation said that the debate over Iran was definitely heating up in Washington, but that no one seemed ready to take any military action.

"There's almost kind of a small hysteria in Washington about what we do with Iran," said Robin Wright, a Washington Post reporter who has written three books on Iran. "The reality is that largely because of Iraq and to a certain degree Afghanistan, we now find our selves in what is a kind of cold war with Iran for regional influence. And this is likely to define the region, I think, for the next decade."

But Wright said her sources in the Bush administration were telling her that "this talk right now is way ahead of where they actually are."

"We need to have an effective sanctions regime. We need to have one that actually bites," Danielle Pletka, who is vice president for foreign and defense policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute, said. "We need to give a lot more effort to that before we begin to consider military operations, because they're not the silver bullet that some people want to suggest that they are."

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told world leaders at the U.N. General Assembly earlier in the week that his country would defy attempts to impose new sanctions by "arrogant powers" seeking to curb its nuclear program, accusing them of lying and imposing illegal penalties on his country.

As for Iranian activities in Iraq, Pletka said chaos in Iraq benefits the Iranians and Tehran would not want to see a stable Iraq as "either as a democracy or as a counterbalance to their own influence in the region."

Richardson said he would not threaten Iran with military strikes, but there were two issues on which the U.S. would be forced to deal with Iran.

"We cannot have Iran have nuclear weapons, but I believe we can work with them to develop a civilian nuclear fuel cycle, perhaps with the Russians," he said. "We cannot have them, obviously, continue helping the Revolutionary Guards in Iraq."

"But calling them names, labeling them terrorists, drawing up military options is just making the situation worse and inflaming the Muslim world at a time when we need in the Persian Gulf, in the Middle East, and in Iraq a political solution," Richardson said.

Richardson said if he were to become the president, he would engage Iran. "But I would go around Ahmadinejad," he said. "I would go to the moderate Muslim clerics, Islamic clerics. I would talk to students. I would talk to university professors, business leaders."

[tbweb]

Actually they are not Marines. They are sailors being trained for infantry duty in Iraq and other places.

Posted by down-ndirty at 08:35 PM : Oct 02, 2007,,,

Yep! I have a Sailor buddy back fresh from a year in Afghanistan, spent 30 days home on leave, now he is off to Iraq, but he leaves with a smile, he just got promoted and did not have one complaint, none, zero! I like that, he''s a cool dude!

[down-ndirty]

...training SAILORS as infantry!! How desparate is THAT?
Posted by galloglaigh at 12:14 AM : Oct 02, 2007

They are called Marines.
Posted by IOWEIGN at 08:53 AM : Oct 02, 2007
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Actually they are not Marines. They are sailors being trained for infantry duty in Iraq and other places.

Up until the 1970s sailors trained as infantry was part of the sailor''s routine--they were called landing parties, and naval infantry schools existed during the Cold War. The limitations of sailors as infantry was that their sustainability was generally limited to three days and they were limited geographically.

The Navy is augmenting the Army and Marine Corp in Iraq with sailors who fill infantry positions alongside soldiers and Marines.

For more info search "sailors fighting as soldiers" and go to the www.tbo.com interview with the Navy master chief.

For the history of "sailors as infantry" search that term and go to the history.navy.mil website.

Times are indeed tough when a submariner is re-trained to fight alongside a soldier.

[bizzzz-2009]

Richardson said if he were to become the president, he would engage Iran. "But I would go around Ahmadinejad," he said. "I would go to the moderate Muslim clerics, Islamic clerics. I would talk to students. I would talk to university professors, business leaders.
RICHARDSON SAID HE''D GO AROUND AHMADINEJAD IF HE WERE PRESIDENT? I WONDER HOW AHMADINEJAD WOULD FEEL ABOUT THAT? YOU THINK HE''D HELP RICHARDSON GO AROUND HIMSELF?

[taotxzen]

Here is the other Trillion Dollar question. If Al-Queada is a Sunni jihadist organization why are backing the Sunnis in the Iraqi civil war against the Shiites?

Ah grasshopper, Bush and family are attached to the hip to the Saudis (you know the country that brought you bin Laden and the 911 highjackers) and, wait for it, Iran is backing the Shiites in Iraq so that makes them terrorist in the eyes of Bush, Cheney and the Saudis.

[taotxzen]

Now, here is the Trillion Dollar question. How many of those militia that are now fighting for the Sunni Warlords against the Iranian backed Shiia are actually Al-Queada?

You defeat the Shiites and establish a Sunni regime, the US (and it%u2019s money) leaves stating Mission Accomplished and then hello Al-Queda.

[taotxzen]

When General Petraeus in his hearing for Armed Services & Foreign Relations Committee has clearly said that the most incoming terrorist in iraq come from Saudi Arabia and northern africa, could somebody explain why no body says anything about it and even most of the people consider that iran is the real source?

Posted by farnav

It amazes me. Nobody ever mentions that Al-Qaeda is Sunni and Iran is Shiite, they are sworn enemies. Yet all we hear is that Iran is arming TERRIORIST in Iraq. You ask most Americans who are the terrorist in Iraq and they will say Al Queada. We are currently supporting the Sunni Warlords that up until recently had close ties to Al Queada and don''t bet the farm on the US-Sunni Warlord relationship lasting.

Sooner or later you have to start holding the media accountable, this is way too important.

[ioweign]

Geezzz, the U.S. military is training SAILORS as infantry. I wonder what tankersmash thinks about that!! It''''s probably ok with him as long as there are no LIBERALS and no ***, or trees to hug!!

...training SAILORS as infantry!! How desparate is THAT?


Posted by galloglaigh at 12:14 AM : Oct 02, 2007


They are called Marines.

[ioweign]

Don''''''''t try to argue military history with me you tree hugger liberal. ...4 years in college ...now an Army officer...

Posted by tankersmash at 02:28 PM : Oct 01, 2007



This is NOT military, at least NOT ours !!

[farnav]

When General Petraeus in his hearing for Armed Services & Foreign Relations Committee has clearly said that the most incoming terrorist in iraq come from Saudi Arabia and northern africa, could somebody explain why no body says anything about it and even most of the people consider that iran is the real source?

[down-ndirty]

Don''t try to argue military history with me you tree hugger liberal. ...4 years in college ...now an Army officer...

Posted by tankersmash at 02:28 PM : Oct 01, 2007
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...22 years active, 4 years reserve, GI bill paid for commercial pilot''s certificate AND engineering degree. Now an aerospace engineer...

So there''s still hope for you, tanker, if your anger doesn''t get the best of you. In all those years of service, I NEVER met an officer with the hatred you display. NEVER! One of your sergeants needs to take you aside and show you how the REAL military operates.

I''ll bet you are a real "blast" at the officer''s club.

[galloglaigh]

Read this news article from Mennonite Central Committee (MCC) about the meeting they sponsored in NY with Iran''''s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and more than 100 religious leaders from the U.S. and Canada.
Posted by mary343 at 07:39 PM : Oct 01, 2007
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I read that article right after Ahmadinejad was at Columbia. It was a very interesting article and I applaud the efforts of the Mennonites and Quackers to try to bring peace. However, Ahmadinejad was only slightly more subdued and no more "informative" than when he was at Columbia and on 60 Minutes.

Ahmadinejad is NOT to be trusted. But that doesn''t mean BushCo should wage another pre-emptive strike when the other pre-emptive strike has been waged for over four years now and is draining our military resources. And it''s draining our economy. Our children and grand-children will be paying for "Bush''s War" for years and years.

Geezzz, the U.S. military is training SAILORS as infantry. I wonder what tankersmash thinks about that!! It''s probably ok with him as long as there are no LIBERALS and no ***, or trees to hug!!

...training SAILORS as infantry!! How desparate is THAT?

[vincan-2009]

The crazies, as the president and vice president are known, are busy planning at the present time and for no telling how long to attack Iran. Admiral Fallon is the man who says no way will we attack Iran. This is the man who is right and we should put all our effort behind him. We are in a weakened position and will need a long time to recover from this bogus war in Iraq. No way in the world can we go to war with the entire middle east as Bush and Cheney seem to want.

[galloglaigh]

Don''''t try to argue military history with me you tree hugger liberal. ...4 years in college ...now an Army officer...

Posted by tankersmash at 02:28 PM : Oct 01, 2007
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Don''t argue military history with you?? LOL!! You didn''t have to respond.

You should have taken some anger management classes in college, dude.

If you didn''t want me to argue military history with YOU, why did you respond to my post? And since you responded why didn''t you argue your point instead of waging a childish personal attack on me? Is that what army officers do? Act like angry children and attack people who disagree with them? You certainly don''t represent the "officer ranks" very well.

Four years of college history? You don''t exhibit the historical acumen of someone who studied history for four years. Your response to any questions that require thought is to wage a personal attack.

Many of us concluded weeks ago that you are most likely NOT an army officer and probably not even in the military. Just another "keyboard warrior."

Was the president mentioned in your army oath? Again, how did that oath go?

OBTW: Since you are so anti-democratic, what, in your view, would be an ideal party philosophy to "counter" the republican party?

In addition, 28 years in the U.S. military defending your right to be angry at liberals, and the world in general.

And I''m not a liberal.

[damnedrelign]

The combined results of religious fanaticism as a political tool, and/or using or commandeering "awesome" religious fear, along with inculcation of hate into the young minds of Moslem children to engage in their "religious duties" of martyrdom, would be considered madness by all those who are decent, rational, and non-violent.
Should "rights" to teach such acts of murder and destruction be taken away from parents and adults who teach such madness to their own children? A clear YES is the answer.
The mindset created in Iran and by similar Islamic fascists is a CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER TO THE ENTIRE WORLD.
Iran must be stopped TODAY WITH RELATIVELY LOW COST.
Those who think that permitting a nuclear and militarily stronger Iran to spread more of its "influence", simply are not aware of how bad things will be. Hell on earth would indeed become realized!

[mary343]

Read this news article from Mennonite Central Committee (MCC) about the meeting they sponsored in NY with Iran''s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and more than 100 religious leaders from the U.S. and Canada.

http://mcc.org/news/news/article.html?id=256

[mary343]

Read this news article from Mennonite Central Committee (MCC) about the meeting they sponsored in NY with Iran''s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and more than 100 religious leaders from the U.S. and Canada.

http://mcc.org/news/news/article.html?id=256

[mary343]

Read this news article from Mennonite Central Committee (MCC) about the meeting they sponsored in NY with Iran''s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and more than 100 religious leaders from the U.S. and Canada.

http://mcc.org/news/news/article.html?id=256

[tankersmash]

Posted by galloglaigh

Don''t try to argue military history with me you tree hugger liberal. I studied it for 4 years in college and am now an Army officer...isn''t there a queer rights parade or a coward anti-war march for people like you should be at right now liberal?

[clestes-2009]

What to do with Iran??

That''s easy,

1. stop fcking around with their politics, which we have been doing since 1953

2. let the IAEA do their job.

Iran is willing to have inspections and answer all outstanding questions about their nuclear program. By Nov of this year, the IAEA will know what Iran is up to.

As much as the Bush/Cheney admin does not want to admit this, Iran has EVERY RIGHT under INTERNATIONAL LAW to have a nuclear energy program. As long as they agree to its being monitored, they are WITHIN THEIR RIGHTS.

Most estimates say Iran won''t have a bomb anywhere from the earliest 3 years from now to 10 years from now. Since it takes a minimum of 3-4 years to develop a program, they cannot have one now and they cannot develop one in 2 months.

Stop fanning the flames of war and let the IAEA do their job.

[galloglaigh]

What about the fact the FDR responded to Pearl Harbor by joining the Brits on the Europian Front? The Germans never attacked us directly but did attack our ships carrying supplies to the Brits and our other allies...do you call this attacking US interests? Of course you do, and if you don''''t, you''''re a bigger moron than I first thought.
Posted by tankersmash at 11:12 AM : Oct 01, 2007
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LOL!!! Go study history. It was two separate wars until Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and four days later the Germans declared war on the U.S. We responded by joining the war in Europe and declaring war with Japan and both wars became one war.

Germany was well on its way to conquering Europe and cutting off Britian, however they suffered tremendous losses to the USSR. Had they not brought the USSR into the war it might have had a different outcome, or, at the very least, it would have continued much longer.

The Germans DID attack us; they were sinking our ships in the Gulf of Mexico, and elsewhere.

LOL!!! You should study history before you open mouth and insert foot.