Taliban: We'll Never Negotiate With Karzai

Insurgent Leadership Rejects Peace Overtures From Afghan President

(AP)  President Hamid Karzai on Saturday offered to meet with the Taliban leader and give militants a government position only hours after a suicide bomber in army disguise attacked a military bus, killing 30 people - nearly all of them Afghan soldiers.

Strengthening a call for negotiations he has made with increasing frequency in recent weeks, Karzai said he was willing to meet with the reclusive leader Mullah Omar and Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, a former prime minister and factional warlord leader.

"If I find their address, there is no need for them to come to me, I'll personally go there and get in touch with them," Karzai said. "Esteemed Mullah, sir, and esteemed Hekmatyar, sir, why are you destroying the country?"

But a Taliban spokesman on Sunday said the militant group will "never" negotiate with Afghan authorities until U.S. and NATO forces leave the country.

"The Taliban will never negotiate with the Afghan government in the presence of foreign forces," Qari Yousef Ahmadi told The Associated Press, repeating an earlier position. "Even if Karzai gives up his presidency, it's not possible that Mullah Omar would agree to negotiations. The foreign forces don't have the authority to talk about Afghanistan."

Karzai said he has contacts with Taliban militants through tribal elders but that there are no direct and open government communication channels with the fighters. Omar's whereabouts are not known, although Karzai has claimed he is in Quetta, Pakistan, a militant hotbed across the border from Afghanistan's Kandahar province.

"If a group of Taliban or a number of Taliban come to me and say, 'President, we want a department in this or in that ministry or we want a position as deputy minister ... and we don't want to fight anymore,' ... If there will be a demand and a request like that to me, I will accept it because I want conflicts and fighting to end in Afghanistan," Karzai said.

"I wish there would be a demand as easy as this. I wish that they would want a position in the government. I will give them a position," he said.

The U.S. Embassy in Kabul has said it does not support negotiations with Taliban fighters, labeling them as terrorists, although the U.N. and NATO have said an increasing number of Taliban are interested in laying down their arms. NATO's ambassador to Afghanistan, Daan Everts, said this month that the alliance would look into the possibility of talks.

President Bush met with Karzai on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly in New York on Wednesday where the two discussed the battle against al Qaeda and the Taliban, but it has not been made public whether the two talked about negotiations with militants.

A State Department duty officer said he could not immediately comment on Karzai's offer to meet with Omar, noting that most policymakers were still in New York.

Saturday's explosion - the second deadliest since the fall of the Taliban in 2001 - ripped off the roof of the bus and tore out its sides in Kabul, leaving a charred hull of burnt metal. It was reminiscent of the deadliest attack since the U.S.-led invasion, when a bomber boarded a police academy bus at Kabul's busiest transportation hub in June, killing 35 people.

Police and soldiers climbed trees to retrieve body parts. Nearby businesses also were damaged.

"For 10 or 15 seconds, it was like an atom bomb - fire, smoke and dust everywhere," said Mohammad Azim, a police officer who witnessed the explosion.

Karzai said 30 people were killed - 28 soldiers and two civilians. The Health Ministry said another 30 were wounded. Two women were among the dead, and 11 people whose bodies were ripped apart so badly had yet to be identified.

"It was a terrible tragedy, no doubt an act of extreme cowardice," Karzai said. "Whoever did this was against people, against humanity, definitely against Islam. A man who calls himself Muslim will not blow up innocent people in the middle of Ramadan," the Muslim holy month.

A purported Taliban spokesman, Zabiullah Mujahid, claimed the militant group was responsible for the blast in a text message to The Associated Press. Mujahid said the bomber was a Kabul resident named Azizullah.

The bus had stopped in front of a movie theater to pick up soldiers when a bomber wearing a military uniform tried to board early Saturday, army spokesman Gen. Mohammad Zahir Azimi said.

"Typically there are people checking the IDs of soldiers who want to board the bus," Azimi said. "While they were checking the IDs the bomber tried to get on the bus and blew himself up there."

Karzai earlier this month renewed a call for talks with the Taliban. But he said Saturday he would not meet demands that foreign troops must first leave the country.

"It should be very clear that until all our roads are paved, until we have good electricity and good water, and also until we have a better Afghan national army and national police, I don't want any foreigners to leave Afghanistan," he said.

He said he still wanted negotiations with Taliban militants of Afghan origin "for peace and security." He ruled out talks with al Qaeda and other foreign fighters.

NATO's International Security Assistance Force, meanwhile, said one of its soldiers was killed in eastern Afghanistan during combat operations on Saturday. ISAF did not release the soldier's nationality, but most in the east are American.

Four employees with the International Committee of the Red Cross, kidnapped earlier this week while negotiating the release of a German hostage, were also freed Saturday, the ICRC said.

The four men - two Afghans, a Macedonian and a man from Myanmar - said they were treated well. A Taliban commander said he ordered the four held hostage because he thought they were spies but let them go once it was proven they were Red Cross workers, according to a video obtained by AP Television News.

The four had traveled to Wardak province in hopes of helping free a German man held since July. The workers said that the German was still alive and that they had seen him.

The number of kidnappings in Afghanistan has spiked in recent months after the Taliban secured the release of five insurgent prisoners in exchange for a captive Italian journalist in March - a heavily criticized swap that many feared would encourage abductions.

The Taliban kidnapped 23 South Koreans in July, a hostage crisis that scored the militants face-to-face talks with South Korean government delegates. Two of the Koreans were killed; 21 were eventually released.

[prinzowhales]

The gentleman had a very interesting life. I forget if it was his work or another that dealt with the British advance trough Basra to Baghdad and how they tried to inflame the Moslems against the Jews and Moslems in Baghdad helped their Jewish friends and neighbors fight off the enraged mobs stirred up by Brits and Zionists, insinuating that the Iraqi Jews were aiding the British.

This bit of history, with the history of the murder of the "Ringworm Children",the ''perfidy'' of the Zionists in betraying the Hungarian Jews, the false-flag operations...bombings of American interests in Egypt by Israeli agents--known as the ''Lavon Affair'' and the collusion of ''Big Nose'' Baines with the Israelis in the attack on the USS LIBERTY really tell the whole story of the sheer criminality of the Anglo-American Oligarchy and its Zionist front.

[j-whitman]

Prinzowhales,,,, THE JEWS OF IRAQ by Naeim Giladi,,,, Thank you, that was a very intresting article, I recommend it to anyone intrested in the real source of terrorism & Isreals Zionism.

http://www.inminds.com/jews-of-iraq.html

[livebluefore]

Look at Karzai''s comment about foreigners leaving the country. How many years will it take to fix Afghanistan? The brokenness of that country has been ongoing for decades now. Say what you will but perhaps a nuclear response should have been unleashed on September 12, 2001.

[lars008-2009]

LOOK WHO IS TARGETING CIVILIANS!!!

Qaeda warns of attacks ''worse than 9/11''
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070530102648.wuwa6k96&show_article=1

Hizbullah Deputy Sec-Gen Sheikh Naim Qassem: We Have Jurisprudent Permission to Carry Out ''Martyrdom'' Operations, Fire Missiles on Israeli Civilians From Ayatollah Khomeini
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD154907

Switching Sides: Inside The Enemy Camp

But then in 2000, well before his arrest, something happened which would make Abas question everything he believed in: a fatwa, a religious edict, was issued by Osama bin Laden.

"It should be understood that killing Americans and Jews anywhere found are the highest act of worship and the highest form of good deeds in the eyes of Allah," Simon quotes bin Laden.

Abas and his fellow commanders were ordered to read the fatwa to their men and make sure they carried it out. The others obeyed, but Abas refused. It was his moment of truth. He firmly believed that jihad was to be fought only on the battlefield in defense of Islam; he had always been taught that the killing of civilians had nothing to do with holy war and that it was forbidden.

The fatwa justified killing non-Muslim civilians everywhere.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/04/60minutes/main2761108.shtml?source=RSSattr=60Minutes_2761108
American Al Qaeda Member Threatens Attack
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/29/terror/main2865282.shtml

[lars008-2009]

it is fascist nazi terrorislam stupid,,,

non muslims of the world unite,,, fight against the tyranny of the fascist nazi terrorslam imperialist empire of the darkside,,,

I was a fanatic...I know their thinking, says former radical Islamist
By blaming the Government for our actions, those who pushed this "Blair''s bombs" line did our propaganda work for us.
More important, they also helped to draw away any critical examination from the real engine of our violence: Islamic theology.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=465570&in_page_id=1770

Bless the Beasts and Children
Fascist nazi terrorslam kills every man woman and child in the village again%u2026 typical mo for terrorslam%u2026
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/bless-the-beasts-and-children.htm

Our Prophet commanded us to fight the kaafirs when we are able and to attack them in their homelands and to give them three choices before we enter their lands: either they become Muslim and be like us, sharing our rights and duties; or they pay the jizyah (poll tax) and feel themselves subdued; or they fight, in which case their wealth, women, children and homes become permissible as booty for the Muslims.
http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=13759&ln=eng&txt=before%20islam%20arabia%20pagan

the truth about fascist nazi terrorislam...
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/

[j-whitman]

Lars,,, Don''t you ever get tired of being ignorant ???

[lars008-2009]

Posted by j-whitman at 09:49 PM : Sep 30, 2007

the cause is fascist nazi terrorislam wanting global domination under fascist nazi terrorislam,,,

[prinzowhales]

Good night.

[prinzowhales]

The link is to the website of an Iraqi Jew who served in Israeli intelligence and eloguently testifies to the terrorism and lies carried out against Jews to get them to move to Israel--the Ashkenazi needed stoop labour.

http://www.inminds.com/jews-of-iraq.html

[j-whitman]

Lars,,, You are locked in your fear & Islamofobia -- You want to understand terrorism understand the causes.

[lars008-2009]

Posted by j-whitman at 09:32 PM : Sep 30, 2007

and what would you have called muhammad???

[j-whitman]

speakinup,,, Good it looks like you are starting to get a picture of the issue,,, Colonialism was pretty much the beginning both Palestinian Jews & Muslems caught in the middle ---- Menachem Begin would have been a terrorist, & his zionism terroism.

[prinzowhales]

ToolMangler--There''s all sorts of Illuminati-linked groups involved in these monstrous undertakings. If you take the time to read The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, you will be amazed at the perspicacity of the authors--and they weren''t Jews. Check out the reports on the papers found in the possession of a courier struck by lightning by the Bavarian police that revealed Adam Weishaupt''s Illuminati...then follow the trail to the French Revolution and Karl Marx. Check out Barry Chamish''s work on the Frankists and their infiltration of Islam and Christianity after their leader, who claimed to be the Jewish Messiah, converted to Islam. You can see the beginning of the Young Turk movement in the lodges and you can see freemasonry in the Italian Revolutionary Mazzini and follow his relationship with the Scottish Rite and Albert Pike, author of Morals and Dogma, the Confederate general and foremost mason who wrote Morals and Dogma and admitted to all that the god of Masonry was Lucifer.
It is an amazing story--and I wish it wasn''t true.

[lars008-2009]

name one islamic state that grants equal rights to non muslims???

Do I want Sarah Montague as PM of Malaysia?
http://achmedrauff.blogspot.com/2007/09/do-i-want-sarah-montague-as-pm-of.html

here is the video,,,
Dato Seri Syed Hamid Albar
In a HardTalk programme first broadcast on Thursday 13 September 2007, Sarah Montague talks to Malaysian Foreign Minister Dato Seri Syed Hamid Albar.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/hardtalk/6992908.stm

Sarah Montague of BBC talks to Malaysian Foreign Minister Dato Seri Syed Hamid Albar
http://community.livejournal.com/malaysians/623439.html

it is fascist nazi terrorislam stupid,,,

non muslims of the world unite,,, fight against the tyranny of the fascist nazi terrorslam imperialist empire of the darkside,,,

%u201CI have a strong belief that fascistr nazi terrorislamists have forfeited your right to be a member of the world society%u201D

[j-whitman]

speakdubya,,,,, Go back in time to 1946,,, Here''s a good reference source on the history of the conflicts.... Began was no saint, he would have been the Ossama Bin Laden of the time.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/index.html

[j-whitman]

speakdubya,,
,, If, I recall, Moses never made it to Isral..... Your are talking of Menachem Begin, a Russian born Jew & a passionate zionist, Begin ordered the destruction of the central British offices in the King David Hotel,,,, The British would have called him a terrorist

[speakinup]

Not sure I''d want it that way. I do think the British AND UN screwed things up. I don''t see any easy solutions.

I wish it were possible for Israel to give up all lands taken during the 7 days war, in exchange for all Islamic nations accepting the stance Egypt has taken. But I don''t see some of the Islamic nations doing so. Maybe reparations for Palistinians would help. It would be expensive for Israel, but certinly much cheaper that war after war - both in human costs, as well as money.

[lars008-2009]

the war that fascist nazi terrorislamic muslims started rages on 1400 years later,,,

The Truth about Islamic Crusades and Imperialism

Historical facts say that Islam has been imperialistic%u2014and would still like to be, if only for religious reasons. Many Muslim clerics, scholars, and activists, for example, would like to impose Islamic law around the world. Historical facts say that Islam, including Muhammad, launched their own Crusades against Christianity long before the European Crusades.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/11/the_truth_about_islamic_crusad.html
http://www.americanthinker.com/2004/08/the_muslim_crusades.html

the truth about fascist nazi terrorislam...
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/

Islamic origins
http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/pdf/compass/hico_058.pdf

Origin of Islam
http://www.allaboutreligion.org/origin-of-islam.htm
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Origin+of Islam%3A Secular History

[toolmangler-2009]

We as a nation have erred and now we must correct our wrong and continue the fight against terrorism a tall task for a statesman to fill. Our nation is plagued with outsourcing, amnesty for illegals, war, continuing higher prices and lower wages, social security being raided and bankrupted, a healthcare crisis, and many other problems. Time for good men to stand up .
Posted by radiob at 08:35 PM : Sep 30, 2007


As I have said before, it is my belief that the war is but "Smoke and Mirrors" and the ''real'' plot is the unification of North America into one nation and one financial system. Eventually both North and South America are slated for ''unification'' This is a ''Business Deal of the century" for the ''corporate world'' Governments are being played like Chess pieces (captured and tossed aside) The Muslims think they are fighting a ''jihad'', The "Bin laden" family is one of the players and tthe Bush family is one of the other players but they aren''t the only ones. When I make this statement you may laugh but my research suggests the "Knights Templar" and "Freemason" are numbered among the other players.

[prinzowhales]

Obviously, when boatloads of colonists arrive in Ottoman Palestine and buy and attempt to buy lands in Palestine...they are trying to gain something from people who were already there....

When the same thing happens during the mandate and then when Weatern-armed and trained Jews ignore the UN partition and drive far into lands assigned to the Palestianians, poison wells and massacre villages...I really don''t think there is a real issue over ''who got there first''.