Sept. 25, 2007

Can Clinton Be Stopped?

washingtonpost.com: Hillary Sits Atop The Democratic Field In A Tier By Herself

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    Hillary Clinton's goal has been to surround her candidacy with an aura of inevitability. The more she can do that, the more she puts the focus on whether her rivals have a strategy to stop her.  (AP)

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The Hillary Clinton who appeared on five Sunday morning shows was a formidable political candidate: poised, polished, knowledgeable. The package she presented was designed to send a message to her Democratic rivals: catch me if you can.

She now sits atop the Democratic field, in a tier by herself. She has achieved that by performing at a consistently high level in debates and on the campaign trail, along with help from a campaign that has been largely free of major mistakes. She showed Sunday she could stand in against some of the best pitching in political journalism.

Clinton's goal has been to surround her candidacy with an aura of inevitability, which is certainly common among front-runners. The more she can do that, the more she puts the focus on whether her rivals have a strategy to stop her. The more she does that, the less focus there will be on questions pertinent to what kind of general election candidate or president she actually might be.

The rush to anoint Clinton as an inevitable nominee overlooks the history of nomination battles, which is that few candidate win these contests without a struggle or without at least one serious setback or stumble -- either self-inflicted or inflicted by the voters. What happens before the voters are heard from is not unimportant, but it is rarely decisive.

What could trip up Clinton? Many things: a scandal, a mistake or an unexpected event -- although mistakes seem the least likely given what has transpired to date. The most likely is a defeat and that certainly appears most possible in Iowa. A Clinton loss in Iowa would instantly change perceptions of the Democratic race and bring new scrutiny to Clinton's candidacy that may be overlooked right now.

Iowa is the outlier in the polls at this point in the campaign. Clinton holds a sizeable lead in national polls, and she has, on average, double-digit leads in the other early states. But in Iowa, the polls show a three-way contest that also includes Barack Obama and John Edwards -- and what happens in Iowa and New Hampshire will affect all the other states.

Iowa's electorate is notoriously picky about its choices. The voters there demand considerable attention and, even when they get it from the candidates, wait until the last minute to make up their minds. Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin believes more than half the likely Democratic caucus voters have not settled on a candidate. Advisers to the leading candidates say the percentage may be even higher than that. No matter what the polls show elsewhere, Iowa is a real battleground.

An Obama victory in Iowa would deal a serious -- though not fatal -- setback to Clinton. Although Clinton has a lead in New Hampshire today, Obama has a potentially receptive electorate in New Hampshire because of the sizeable number of independents who are likely to vote in the Democratic primary. If Obama were to win both Iowa and New Hampshire, Clinton then would be in deep trouble.

An Edwards victory over Clinton in Iowa would present a potential obstacle to her nomination, but perhaps not one as significant as if Obama were to win Iowa. That's because Edwards did not do well in New Hampshire in 2004 and has struggled there this year. Knowing that, he and Elizabeth Edwards have been investing more time and resources in New Hampshire, but no one can say with any confidence whether it could pay off if he wins Iowa.

Clinton is acting as if her whole campaign depends on Iowa -- and it may. She has rebuilt her ground operation there. She has used Iowa as the venue for major speeches on Iraq and health care to position herself favorably for the Democratic electorate. Twice now she has brought in her husband to campaign across the state with her. She and her advisers believe a victory there could secure her nomination. They also know that a loss there would scramble what has so far been generally smooth march forward.

What happens next depends in part on her opponents. She and the other Democrats will assemble in New Hampshire for a two-hour debate on Wednesday night (9-11 p.m. on MSNBC), moderated by NBC's Tim Russert. That event likely will reveal how they intend to try to stop her.

Obama may be forced onto the attack, if only to shake up a race that has been largely unchanged for months. Or he may try to avoid direct confrontation awhile longer, hoping that Edwards assumes that role immediately. Last week's debate in Iowa also found Joe Biden and Chris Dodd willing to challenge Clinton on the key question of whether she is the strongest Democratic standard-bearer in the general election and the kind of politician who could accomplish big things as president.

At some point, the voters will face up to those questions more directly than that have. Whether that will be during the primaries or, if Clinton is the nominee, after she has effectively wrapped up the nomination, depends in part on what the New York senator's opponents decide. But after the week she just wrapped up -- her most dominating week of the campaign to day -- her rivals must be ever more aware of the consequences of not doing so.

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by mudrose-2009 September 25, 2007 8:53 AM PDT
Wow can you believe that the old socialist hag has to succumb to pandering to Iowa and New Hampshire? Well, something''s got to stop this heap of old world, Marxism.
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by signof4 September 25, 2007 9:01 AM PDT
''Can Clinton Be Stopped?''

not from getting the dem nomination....but definately from becoming president. She won''t make it that farrrrrrrrrrr.......she''s no ways tarrrrrrrrd. LOL
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by mbcsmith September 25, 2007 9:06 AM PDT
HILLDOG will get the LIB nomination and LOSE in the general election. People will denounce her socialist and surrendering ways.
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by mudrose-2009 September 25, 2007 9:13 AM PDT
not from getting the dem nomination....but definately from becoming president. She won''''t make it that farrrrrrrrrrr.......she''''s no ways tarrrrrrrrd. LOL
Posted by SignOf4

HILLDOG will get the LIB nomination and LOSE in the general election. People will denounce her socialist and surrendering ways.
Posted by mbcsmith

This is great, so far we are the only ones here. It''s like preaching to the choir - nice to hear the harmony. Sweet music to the soul.
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by tbweb September 25, 2007 9:15 AM PDT
Hurricane force winds are at Hillary''s back blowing her forward and if you looked at the makeup and chemistry of those Hurricane force winds at her back you would discover the composite material was made up of displeasure with President Bush, displeasure with the Republican Party, women excited about the first female President regardless of her agenda and memory of the best of the Clinton years with a heavy dose of American anger add up to Hurricane Hillary!
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by actornaught September 25, 2007 9:24 AM PDT
Funny stuff, pack of neocon posters that only get their information from the noise between their ears. Even fox polls show Hillary, not to mention Obama, consistently beating each of the ''pub candidates.

Don''t shoot me, i''m just the messenger...
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by taotxzen September 25, 2007 9:55 AM PDT
If you thought that Chris Wallace did NOT attempt a hitjob on Bill Clinton last year check out round two. He brings Hillary Clinton on to the Fair and Balanced network (oddly enough on the very anniversary of his first Clinton interview.)

Have a look and you tell me if Mr, Fair and Balanced has an agenda...

http://www.hoffmania.com/

PS: Great political cartoon on the move on ad as well.
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by realpatriot1 September 25, 2007 9:55 AM PDT
actornaught,

The repugnants have to keep their spirits up somehow and
apparently, bashing Hillary always makes them feel warm and cuddly inside.

The fact is that even with her flaws(and in my opinion they are many) she beats the hell out of any alternative they have to offer.

Mitt Romney sent out an important message to Republicans the other day but it was wasted on the tone deaf.

They cling to the belief that America is more with them than with a new direction. I''m perfectly content to allow them that delusion right through next November.
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by iceman_1960 September 25, 2007 9:57 AM PDT
So much for "liberal bias" in the Washington Post.

"Can Clinton Be Stopped?"

...as in, "Can HIV be stopped ?"

"Hillary Sits Atop The Democratic Field In A Tier By Herself"

A tier -- that''s where a convicted criminal sits.

Did somebody hack their website ?
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by iceman_1960 September 25, 2007 9:59 AM PDT
"The Hillary Clinton who appeared on five Sunday morning shows was a formidable political candidate: poised, polished, knowledgeable."

This may sound old-fashioned, but that''s what a United States President should be.

They usually were, before Dubya lowered the bar to admit vulgar ignorance.
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by clestes-2009 September 25, 2007 10:00 AM PDT
You reps have no one to blame except yourselves.

If Bush had not totally scr*wed his presidency with an unnecessary war that has resulted in a DESTROYED military, 1 million civilian dead, 3700 and counting US troops, added to the national debt another 500 BILLION DOLLARS, a completely wrecked country, pissed off allies and left our foreign policy in TATTERS, all with the SUPPORT of the republican party, Hillary would not now be in such a powerful position.

Sure, she may have competition from her own party, but the
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by jack3213 September 25, 2007 10:01 AM PDT
Of course she can be stopped, and IOWA will end any chance she has. Not only that, something will definately happen as she sits too comfortably atop an over zealous, over confidant, and self assured position months before it really matters. Watch and learn and don''t be too suprised, as I am sure it will all make sense later on.
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by tnt1954 September 25, 2007 10:02 AM PDT
the greatest depression of all. they had no food,
no shelter, no clothing and no work. why should
they be depressed? they must need medication.
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by hwy71so September 25, 2007 10:02 AM PDT
"Hurricane force winds are at Hillary''''s back blowing her forward and if you looked at the makeup and chemistry of those Hurricane force winds at her back you would discover the composite material was made up of displeasure with President Bush, displeasure with the Republican Party, women excited about the first female President regardless of her agenda and memory of the best of the Clinton years with a heavy dose of American anger add up to Hurricane Hillary!

Posted by tbweb at 09:15 AM : Sep 25, 2007"

Yeah, but hurricanes quickly lose their power once they make landfall. They cause a lot of damage and benefit only a select few.

Or you could just mean she''s a big windbag.

...either way.
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by clestes-2009 September 25, 2007 10:03 AM PDT
to cont,

But the real key here is that there is NO REPUBLICAN candidate that even matters! All the rep candidates are nothing but whitebread bushies and with 70% of the American population saying we are on the WRONG ROAD and those whitebread bushies wanting to continue down that same road, the rep candidates ARE TOAST!!

I do not include Ron Paul in the whitebread bushies.
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by radiob-2009 September 25, 2007 10:07 AM PDT
This is a losing ship here, she may well win the nomination only to lose the election itself.She is not well liked in the midwest or the south. She has flipped flopped on far to many issues and is no more of a "Bush" in a dress. So go on and vote for her at this nations critical time instead of drafting a "real candiate" .
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by clestes-2009 September 25, 2007 10:07 AM PDT
So get used to it!! If Obama does well, as I expect he will and she picks him for VP you will have 16 YEARS of a democrat in the whitehouse and a democratic Congress.

Well, it will probably take AT LEAST that long to clean up the pile of sh*t messes left by Bush and the rep Congress.
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by samthetvcat September 25, 2007 10:09 AM PDT
"Clinton''s goal has been to surround her candidacy with an aura of inevitability, which is certainly common among front-runners."

Yeah, I noticed that. One thing I''ll be interested to see is whether the ''mold'' for typical front-runners will need to be fine-tuned for a female candidate who has a lot of women supporters. Women can be so loyal but can turn on a dime if they think ''power'' is ''getting to somebody''s head'', etc (the old ''who does she think she is?'' high school games). This is like uncharted territory . . .
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by jack3213 September 25, 2007 10:10 AM PDT
Nikos_ Why? you ask. Let''s just hope you can afford to pay higher taxes and deal with your embarressment when all the deception and lies come out -yet again- with another loser Clinton. Give me break, it may be wishful thinking on my part-( jh6379)- but best to wish for the best than to hope for the worst.
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by tnt1954 September 25, 2007 10:23 AM PDT
delaying the inevitable under the bushes, while
many live in the bushes with the bushmen.
communism isn''t too bad, enjoy. since everyone
is ''in the red''. and the bonds are being called.
and the balloon payment is due, shine it on.
just borrow from tomorrow again and again and again
and again. postpone the day of reckoning. communism
is where you do all you do outta the kindness of
your own heart, for free, with no thought of reward.
sometimes it is volunteer work, done at the point
of a gun, which gets the point across. but all
in all, a world based on self-interest will destroy
itself. selfish interests will clash in murderous
competition for everything from air, to gas, to
water, to electricity, to tuna sandwiches and
even peanut butter. too bad, ayn rand fooled
ya all with her vile, violent philosophy of objectivism and saying selfishness is a virtue.
atlas shrugged her, not the other way around. you''ve
all been gypped, tricked and fooled, and what''s worst
you''ve done it yourselves, and so have i. ice water
to people in hell?
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by vastr-wcon September 25, 2007 10:26 AM PDT

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The party that will break any law, commit any crime, tell any lie and destroy any person to win an election will be in full slime-mode for the next election. To ensue this effort by the Repugs to distort the election doesn''t succeed like a swift-boat, the Dems must nominate somebody that has a chance to successfully fight off their scum-suc''king lies. Conniving Calculating Clinton (highest "disapproval" of all candidates at more than 50%) and "flak"-ignorant, Empty-Suit, Rezko-Partner-in-Crime O-BOMBA are EASY TARGETS. Fortunately there are Dems running and unannounced that have so much more substance than these two losers that the Repugs will at least have to get somewhat creative to slime them. As the next Democratic president will be the one that will have to clean up the DickNBush mess in the US and throughout the world, great care is needed in getting the right person for this monumental job. The Dems can and must do better than Conniving Clinton and Empty-Suit BO.

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by taotxzen September 25, 2007 10:30 AM PDT
Nikos_ Why? you ask. Let''''s just hope you can afford to pay higher taxes...
jack3213

Nikos: Congrats dude, I had no idea you made over $250k a year (the bottom level of Clintons purposed tax increase) which is actually reversing the tax break that Bush gave his rich buddies to help provide kids medical coverage.

Now I know that ALL you Consevatives out there are making just as much as ol'' Nikos...
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by afmca September 25, 2007 10:36 AM PDT
You know the Repubs are running scared. They are afraid of a strong, intelligent woman. They would rather have a second rate actor, a third rate mayor, a washed up POW, or a flip-flop governor. Most of the Repub issues with Clinton find their origin in their own biased sexism and bigotry. She is far from perfect, but she is definitely beats any Repub candidate in intelligence and the ability to adapt to future issues. Repubs are like lemmings incapable of individual thought. A Clinton / Obama ticket would unite this country and truely move us into the 21st century.
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by prinzowhales September 25, 2007 10:44 AM PDT
"Cattle Futures" Clinton...Has the memory of Americans gotten so bad as to have forgotten this woman''s curriculum vitae? Have you forgotten her work to destroy the American family in Arkansas?

http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/littleton5-99.html

Have you forgotten how she was going to give away the farm to Big Pharma with her health care committee''s ''reform'' plan?

On the Clinton team''s first day in the White House, a Secret Servic man reports that they all wore lapel pins with a picture of mass murderer Vladimir Lenin on them.

Who can forget her Christmas tree in the Blue Room? The infamous "Condom Tree" with condums and occultic symbols decorating it?

Clinton is close enough to the White House on her perch in the Senate--don''t make the mistake of putting this witch in the Oval Office.

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by tnt1954 September 25, 2007 10:48 AM PDT
universal health care. food, shelter, clothing
and meaningful work are part of a person''s
vital healthcare too. and insurance companies
will provide everyone with a mansion, excellent
cuisine, androids to do all the ''other work'', and
fine clothes. and if they cannot, government will
pick up the tab on all the rest. equality, all
equally super rich. all upper class, at government
expense. taxes? only the little people pay those.
but there are no little people to pay them.
cause we''re all the big shot people. bring the
rolls around android 505, me and jagger are heading
out on flight 505, to get high and dry.
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by signof4 September 25, 2007 10:49 AM PDT
They cling to the belief that America is more with them than with a new direction. I''''m perfectly content to allow them that delusion right through next November.
Posted by realpatriot1 at 09:55 AM : Sep 25, 2007

I printed this off and put it in my desk....to be taken out and shoved in to your face when the reality of your loss in ''08 hits you! :) I love kicking libs when they''re down!!! LOL
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by antoniof123 September 25, 2007 10:52 AM PDT
I can''t help but laugh because the reactionary wing of the GOP is getting desperate they are still trying to use the same old tired lies about the Clinton''s. The problem is we spent how many millions investigating them and found out what. A *** we haven''t spent anything investigating this corrupt administration and it lock step reactionaries and look at what just fell out. They are afraid that if Hillary gets elected and does oh say just a little bit better then Bush the lie becomes a reality that they have been spreading. Guess what wing nuts I am voting for Hillary besides Bill was a great American President look at his approval rating one of the highest in American history. Look at your king one of the lowest and of course he is considered the worst American President in American history.
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by micma-2009 September 25, 2007 10:55 AM PDT



Clinton is doing well because she brings her husband with her into the White House. After two terms of Bu$h people are longing for better times and looking back to the Clinton years as exactly that. Peace, prosperity and a government checkbook that was in the black is what we miss. Unnecessary wars over weapons that never existed, record deficits, massive corruption, cronyism, the destruction of our reputation as a nation, the trampling of the freedoms and protections guaranteed by the Constitution is what we have had to endure under Bu$h and the neocons. Our long national nightmare will soon be over.






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by voteronpaul3 September 25, 2007 10:56 AM PDT
Ron Paul has it all. http://www.ronpaul2008.com

**** TAKE AMERICA BACK ****
**** STOP THE WAR & Corporate Corruption****

Ron Paul has it all.

He has NEVER voted:
* to raise taxes
* for an unbalanced budget
* to raise congressional pay
* for a federal restriction on gun ownership
* to increase the power of the executive branch

He HAS voted:
* against the Iraq war
* against the inappropriately named USA PATRIOT act
* against regulating the internet
* against the Military Commissions Act

He will eliminate the IRS, Wasteful Government Spending & Stop The Iraq War Immediately!

Most importantly, he voted NO on anything in Congress that is not allowed by the Constitution.

He is the only candidate not a member of the CFR!

Shouldn''''t ALL members of Congress uphold the Constitution? Aren''''t they SWORN to uphold it? You can bet Paul won''''t call the Constitution "just a G**D***ed piece of paper" like George Bush is reported to have.

If you want a candidate you can TRUST due to a proven track record, visit ronpaul2008.com and get busy spreading the word. The Mainstream Media is a lagging indicator!!

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by clestes-2009 September 25, 2007 10:56 AM PDT
SignOf4,

dream on buddy. I read where a rep govn commented that his party had NOT understood what happened in 2006. The rep party LOST EVERY SEAT. Do you understand the significance of that. AND the reason most cited for voting democratic was THE IRAQ WAR.

Since your (not mine) clueless leader want the war to continue and the whole mish mash of candidate, except Ron Paul, agree with the idea of continuing Iraq into infinity, the American people will vote Democratic AGAIN.

Rep pollsters are already saying losing 4 senate seats will be a victory for them.
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by motherjones-2009 September 25, 2007 11:02 AM PDT
Hillary isn''t my first choice, but I''ll support whoever the Democrats run. The repukes must be completely neutered so they can''t do any more harm. As a national party, they''re going the way of the dinosaurs anyway. Good riddance!
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by antoniof123 September 25, 2007 11:18 AM PDT
Rep pollsters are already saying losing 4 senate seats will be a victory for them.

Posted by clestes at 10:56 AM : Sep 25, 2007

The way things are going right now 8 may be a victory 4 would be reason for a party.

I really hope it is Hillary in 2008, I want to see the reactionary wing nuts say to every one just wait till 2012 we will take the White House again. Then by the time Hillary does just a little bit of good they will be history.
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by jeepmanjr September 25, 2007 11:19 AM PDT
Absolutely! Do you even need to ask? This go-round of Demos are my first choice. Why? Because they will ensure that we get another Republican president! Can you Rudy? Go Dems!!
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by prinzowhales September 25, 2007 11:19 AM PDT
Want to see the story about how the Clinton team and its Hollywood trash are still recruiting and abusing underage girls?

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=1895

Testimony is already in court records unchallenged regarding Bill and his convict buddy from the Arkansas Finance and Development Authority, Dan Lassiter traded cocaine for *** with an underage girl in Arkansas state offices.

Let''s not forget the Mena Connection, the Arkansas suicides and the various felonies that the Clintons were intimately involved with...

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MENA/mena.html

And lets not forget that the Clinton''s took the first step in Cheney''s DoD plan to move US troops into the Balkans and into the Persian Gulf Region. Four international treaties and the NATO charter were violated by Clinton so that George Soros and Anglo-American financiers could loot Kosovo.
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by antoniof123 September 25, 2007 11:20 AM PDT
Prinzowhales give it up we investigated the Clinton''s with the GOP witch hunt for 6 years and now we have proved that they did nothing wrong.
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by iceman_1960 September 25, 2007 11:20 AM PDT
"Cattle Futures" Clinton...Has the memory of Americans gotten so bad as to have forgotten this woman''s curriculum vitae?"
- Posted by Prinzowhales at 10:44 AM : Sep 25, 2007

I actually had to look up "CV" when I came across it in a book recently. Curriculum Vitae (*)

But anyway... Don''t read too much into that cattle futures deal. A lot of people were making and losing large sums overnight in commodities in those days. She may just have gotten lucky.

Marshall Magazine, a publication of the Marshall School of Business, analyzed her cattle future trading. It framed the nature of the results and possible explanations for them:

"These results are quite remarkable. Two-thirds of her trades showed a profit by the end of the day she made them and 80 percent were ultimately profitable. Many of her trades took place at or near the best prices of the day.

Only four explanations can account for these remarkable results:

Blair may have been an exceptionally good trader.

Hillary Clinton may have been exceptionally lucky.

Blair may have been front-running other orders.

Or Blair may have arranged to have a broker fraudulently assign trades to benefit Clinton''s account."

(*) Curriculum Vitae: "A summary of one''s education, professional history, and job qualifications, as for a prospective employer."
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by rayuk-2009 September 25, 2007 11:22 AM PDT
I will vote for the Democrat that wins the primary. Any of them would/will be better than Bush. However, as good as Clinton is, I still have mixed feelings about her chances to win the general election. This is a very smart woman and if elected will out shine the Bush administration by light years.

I am convinced that the GOP wants Hillary to be the canidate. They see her as their best chance to keep the Whitehouse. Are they right? Are the American people smart enought to see thru the smear tactic that is sure to come day in and day out? Does the GOP have any credibility left? Those are my questions.
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by iceman_1960 September 25, 2007 11:24 AM PDT
Prinzowhales is peddling the usual Urban Legends about the Clintons this morning, the ones that envious males particularly cherish.

The well respected Urban Legends investigation website exploded many of them -- in particular, the "Clinton Body Count" Urban Legend:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp
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by radiob-2009 September 25, 2007 11:26 AM PDT
We have Archie Bunker, Fred Sanford, Maude, Fetsus, Col. Klink, Sgt. Schultz, Gomer, Floyd (from Mayberry) Goober, Barney Fife running for president.


When are we going to have Eisenhower''s, Washington''s, Adams, Paine''s, Truman''s, FDR''s or Geronimo''s ?
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by mudrose-2009 September 25, 2007 11:27 AM PDT
I am convinced that the GOP wants Hillary to be the canidate. They see her as their best chance to keep the Whitehouse. Are they right? Are the American people smart enought to see thru the smear tactic that is sure to come day in and day out? Does the GOP have any credibility left? Those are my questions.
Posted by Rayuk

While I hate to burst your purist bubble. Hillary, Barrack and John, John, are bought and paid for by MoveOn.Org. Since this is George Soros''s oganization funded through the roof, he is actually going to be President. The other three will only be puppets. Why you can see now that Reid and Pewlosi meet with the MoveOn crowd to get their talking points for the day. If you think you are going to have an election where you are going to vote for the candidate of your choice, think again. That''s what you side has and you can say its smear or whatever, but it''s the truth. Good luck.
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by prinzowhales September 25, 2007 11:32 AM PDT
The so-called investigation of the Clintons focused almost surreally on the stained blue dress and the petty real estate scam, Whitewater. The drug dealing out of Mena was left undisturbed, the dozens of ''Arkansas suicides'' and the murdered boys on the railroad track in Mena ruled at first a suicide by the Clinton-appointed state medical examiner Fahmy Malek. They didn''t scratch the surface on Mena--the George Bush connection with Barry Seal and Mena, the murder of Seal after he was set up by a federal judge and how he was found to have Bush''s private number. See BARRY AND THE BOYS.

The Democratic Party has already run Bush''s Skull & Bones Order of Death lodge brother and watched him fold like a cheap suit when Ohio was stolen right out from under his nose--now, from bad to worse, Democrats want to put the wife of ''Barbara''s other son'' in the White House. This is goofy--Republican goofy!
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by iceman_1960 September 25, 2007 11:33 AM PDT
George Soros, Prophet:

"I find the idea that you can introduce democracy by military force a very quaint idea. Moreover, if I wanted to choose a testing ground for doing it, Iraq would be the last nation I would choose."
- George Soros, 2003

"Most of the poverty and misery in the world is due to bad government, lack of democracy, weak states, internal strife, and so on. We do need to intervene, to improve political and economic conditions inside countries that have bad governments, where people are suffering. One way of doing this, without violating sovereignty, is through constructive actions - reinforcements and incentives for countries that are moving in the right direction, toward an open society, a market economy, et cetera. That is what I''m advocating. I''m advocating preventive action of a constructive nature. And I would use military force only as the very last resort, when nothing else works."
- George Soros, 2003
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by prinzowhales September 25, 2007 11:34 AM PDT
Iceman--''snopes.com'' is about as reputable as the Snopses in the Faulkner classics.
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by shortyinmo September 25, 2007 11:34 AM PDT
The only thing she has going for her is her husband, that is why she drags him around everywhere. It would be nice if she would at least try to win on her own!! Strongest candidate-I don''t think so, just another way to get Bill in the back door for another term.
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by nolalou September 25, 2007 11:35 AM PDT
Prinzowhales, and most important, lets not forget that famous Right Wing Conspiracy that you are apparently part of.. if you believe all that c-rap your spewing!

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by clestes-2009 September 25, 2007 11:35 AM PDT
antoniof123

Yup, I think 8 would not be unrealistic. I''m thinking the whitehouse could be democratic for the next 16 years if Hillary picks a winner for a running mate. She is one of the smartest and most politically knowlegable of any of the candidates. She has made very few mistakes and unlikely to make many more.

As long as the reps continue to cling to the whitebread bushies, they are not going anywhere near the whitehouse in 2012 or 2016 or 2020.
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by iceman_1960 September 25, 2007 11:35 AM PDT
..."the dozens of ''Arkansas suicides''..."

Here it is again, Sherlock:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp
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by clestes-2009 September 25, 2007 11:39 AM PDT
mudnut,

will you get off the MoveOn idea already?? You seem to be convinced that ALL democrats are MoveOn members, which is impossible as they only have 3 million members compared to the 100 million member nationwide.

As for all the candidates being "bought" by MoveOn, that is impossible as well. All you have to do is check out their contributors.

Jesus, you are stuck in a rut!!
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by dan9111 September 25, 2007 11:39 AM PDT
This all makes no difference. If Hillary is running the ********** instead of Bush, then all your money will be wasted just the same.
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by clestes-2009 September 25, 2007 11:42 AM PDT
shortyinmo,

I don''t know where you get that idea. Bill does not acompany her on her campaign stumps. Only when she asks and that is not often. You don''t see him in the wings when she debates.

She has tons of experience in politics as a govn wife, First Lady and now senator of NY. She has way more going for her than Bill.
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