TEHRAN, Sept. 23, 2007

Ahmadinejad: Iran Not Walking Toward War

Iranian Leader Tells Scott Pelley His Country Does Not Need Nuclear Weapons

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  • Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, speaking with <b><i>60 Minutes</i> correspondent Scott Pelley</b> in Tehran, on Sept. 20, 2007.

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  • (CBS)  But the issue that threatens war between Iran and the U.S. is Iran's determination to keep enriching uranium, even though the United Nations Security Council demands that it stop. Ahmadinejad claims Iran only wants nuclear energy but the Bush administration says he's pursuing a bomb. The International Atomic Energy Agency -- the IAEA -- is trying to resolve the dispute.

    In the past, Ahmadinejad has said Iran has 3,000 centrifuges in a line producing highly-enriched uranium. Does Iran have more now?

    "No. Our plan and program is very transparent. We are under the supervision of the Agency. Everything is on the table," Ahmadinejad said. "We have nothing to hide."

    "It's been hidden for more than 15 years. You've been operating a secret nuclear program. It's nothing-if it's not secret," Pelley remarked.

    "Who is saying that?" the president asked.

    "Well, the IAEA. You've, in fact, agreed with the IAEA to confess what you've done in secret over the past years. It is not transparent, sir," Pelley pointed out.

    "The Agency is supposed to supervise and ask questions and we respond," Ahmadinejad said. "And our activities are very peaceful."

    "For the sake of clarity, because there is so much concern in the world about this next question, please give me the most direct answer you can. Is it your goal to build a nuclear bomb?" Pelley asked.

    "What are you driving at?" the president replied.

    "Simply that, sir. Is it the goal of your government, the goal of this nation to build a nuclear weapon?" Pelley asked.

    "What do you think that the nuclear technology is only limited in a bomb? You can only build a bomb with that?" Ahmadinejad said.

    "I appreciate the differences, sir," Pelley said. "But the question is limited to the bomb."

    "Well, you have to appreciate we don't need a nuclear bomb. We don't need that. What needs do we have for a bomb?" the president replied.

    "May I take that as a 'No,' sir?" Pelley asked.

    "It is a firm 'No.' I’m going to be much firmer now, in political relations right now, the nuclear bomb is of no use; if it was useful it would have prevented the downfall of the Soviet Union; if it was useful it would resolved the problem the Americans have in Iraq," Ahmadinejad said. "The time of the bomb is passed."

    "At the moment, our two countries may very well be walking down the road to war. How do you convince President Bush, how do you convince other nations in the West…," Pelley said.

    "What two parties are walking towards war?" the president asked.

    "Iran, the United States, Western countries," Pelley said.

    "Well, it's wrong to think that Iran and the U.S. are walking towards war. Who says so? Why should we go to war?" Ahmadinejad asked. "There is no war in the offing. Again, this is psychological warfare if you have difference of opinion you can use logic to resolve your differences."

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    by mbkij September 27, 2007 8:51 AM EDT
    Scott Pelly, what an embarrassment! In the future, the producers of 60 Minutes should make a better selection (journalist, reporter, writer ... whatever) than Scott Pelly, a simple, average, American "Journalist" for interviewing a head of state. Scott Pelly was an embarrassment on the first interview with the President of Iran, clearly the blame for the second interview rest with 60 Minutes producers. And to think I though so highly of 60 Minutes, I recorded this broadcast. I just played it back a third time ... yep! It''s an embarrassment!
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    by mbkij September 27, 2007 8:49 AM EDT
    Scott Pelly, what an embarrassment! In the future, the producers of 60 Minutes should make a better selection (journalist, reporter, writer ... whatever) than Scott Pelly, a simple, average, American "Journalist" for interviewing a head of state. Scott Pelly was an embarrassment on the first interview with the President of Iran, clearly the blame for the second interview rest with 60 Minutes producers. And to think I though so highly of 60 Minutes, I recorded this broadcast. I just played it back a third time ... yep! It''s an embarrassment!
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    by nina_hoff September 27, 2007 7:13 AM EDT
    It%u2019s hard to believe that in less than an hour, single-handedly, Scott Pelley managed to wipe out from our minds all the significant reporting he had done throughout his career and replace it with disbelief and disgust for his now exposed narcissism and pro-Bush bias. Mr. Pelley, steeping too deep in your sea of arrogance sank you miserably. Your efforts on the CBS morning show the next day to balance out the terrible job that you had done was just as pathetic as your interview. You owe a big public apology to your country for having made it look so ignorant and stupid to the rest of the world. I hope your Emmy awards from the past keep you good company from here on, because we sure will no longer keep you company by tuning in to see your reports. If after years of being a journalist, you still can''t be respectful and professional towards your guest regardless of who he or she is, you don%u2019t deserve any respect or recognition from your audience. The only good that may come out of your childish and embarrassing interview is if the students at the Texas Tech Journalism School learn from the awkward and humiliating job that you did and know better to let their need to please a certain group of people overcome their better judgement. You better start thinking about what answer you would give to your children, when they are old and wise enough to ask you what the **** you were thinking handling this interview as inappropriately as you did, and why???
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    by mcinchap September 27, 2007 2:09 AM EDT
    That was an interview? Scott Pelley got schooled. Personally, I find it hopeful to see that so many other Americans who have posted their comments are smart enough to see what''s going on and more importantly are no longer afraid to speak up about it. Our country needs an ***.
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    by simonmalthus September 26, 2007 11:02 PM EDT
    Scott Pelley should be embarrassed.
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    by simonmalthus September 26, 2007 11:00 PM EDT
    Scott Pelley should be embarrassed.
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    by simonmalthus September 26, 2007 10:59 PM EDT
    Scott Pelley should be embarrassed.
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    by joewest3 September 26, 2007 9:18 PM EDT
    You can add me to the list of those who found this interview bizarre, embarrassing, surreal and so not 60 Minutes. What were you guys thinking. I thought Sean Hannity had entered Scott''s body.
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    by whyarts September 26, 2007 8:24 PM EDT
    Ahmadinejad''s great sin is that he questions why Middle Easterners have been made to pay - with their homes, their lands, their lives and their children''s lives - for the European genocide of European Jews. He recognizes that oil is the reason for our obsession with the Middle East. Oil is the reason post-WWII Europe and America carved out a country in the Middle East to resettle Western Jews. Oil is why we''ve meddled for decades in Iran and why we invaded Iraq and won''t leave. It''s why we remain friendly with the ruling family of Saudi Arabia, the bin Ladens, even after 17 Saudi Arabians crashed airplanes into American buildings. Our need for oil is the thing we hate. We don''t want to know about it. We don''t want to hear someone tell us about it. We''d rather smear that man and ruin his country than listen to him tell us how desperately and ruthlessly we need his oil.
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    by smohan1950 September 26, 2007 7:40 PM EDT
    Did Steve Pelley remember to ask President Bush if he had "American blood on his hands"?
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    by skeezix06 September 26, 2007 7:39 PM EDT
    I''ll say it again. Setting aside the fact that Ahmadinejad is a nutcase, Pelley didn''t bother to build a foundation for the "questions" he asked on the interview. He started with assumptions and proceeded directly to the accusations. This is not what I would call a good interview or journalism. I thought 60 Minutes was mostly above that.

    Hi Andy, wherever you are. I''ll still tune in for you.
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    by ejunge1 September 26, 2007 6:00 PM EDT
    I agree with many of the viewers that the arrogance of the 60 minute reporter actually created sympathy for Ahmadinejad, and made the reporter look like Bush''s mouthpiece and a representative of FOX news. If CBS wanted to criticize the Iranian president, why didn''t 60 minutes ask an Iranian dissident to respond or present a point of view, which would have been more effective? Maybe because even an Iranian would have been compelled to criticise the crude, insulting manner of the reporter? Or maybe because they would also criticize an equally disturbing leader, President Bush? This approach was simplistic, and only strengthened a vulnerable leader like Ahmadinejad.
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    by andreascohen-2009 September 26, 2007 2:52 PM EDT
    Dear Gaye5, you sound hateful, and yet your fellow citizen rshoff2 considers you a voice of truth on hateful Muslims. I am a Republican. We have good strong arguments to use to defend your opinion in a mature educated less hateful way. I am an American Jew. I am 100% pro-Israel & strongly dislike Ahmadinejad. My father was a respected Rabbi until he died. Ahmadinejad''s past comments were a direct insult to my heritage. But, for heaven%u2019s sake, the Iranians DO NOT castrate their daughters! Women are required to cover their hair but with just a scarf. They are not required to wear the "chador" or cover their faces if they don%u2019t want to. Many wear makeup on the street; the rich ones even carry Coach bags and wear Prada shoes! Women are politicians, doctors, engineers, professors, actresses. Ahmadinejad is a scary fanatic jerk, but that does not justify ignorance on our part. Men in America batter their wives and verbally abuse women and children too. Our women get raped in the shopping mall parking lots in broad daylight. Can you blame the Torah or the Bible (or the Koran) for the abusive husbands reported every night on OUR local and national news? I read the Koran years ago when I was a Religious Studies student in college. Your angry comments are not the same as the truth. If we, members of the most brilliant country in the world, can%u2019t get our facts straight, how can we expect the third-world kid growing up to be the next Ahmadinejad get his facts straight about us?
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    by dobieluv September 26, 2007 12:51 PM EDT
    I usually enjoy watching 60 minutes. But after this interview I was completely embarrassed to have this "journalist" speaking for "all Amercians" and doubt I will be interested in watching anything produced by Scott Pelley again. His interviewing tactics were immature, borderline offensive and completely lacked any type of respect that any head of state deserves. Every question posed to the President of Iran should be posed to George Bush. Scott Pelley offended me as an American who opposes the occupation of Iraq.
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    by tvguy32 September 26, 2007 5:35 AM EDT
    The interviewer has assumed he speaks for the entire nation, I agree with Iranian President on that. This interview REALLY makes America look VERY ignorant. Get a different reporter...I recommend anyone from the BBC. This is also a reason I LEFT the tv business and stopped watching it.
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    by digistew September 26, 2007 3:02 AM EDT
    I don''t watch 60 minutes anymore either and after reading this it confirms why. A terrible interview and interviewer with ridiculous questions. What happened to good journalism?? Mainstream media is in the toilet. It is all to clear why Dan Rather is suing CBS.
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    by digistew September 26, 2007 3:00 AM EDT
    I don''t watch 60 minutes anymore either and after reading this it confirms why. A terrible interview and interviewer with ridiculous questions. What happened to good journalism?? Mainstream media is in the toilet. It is all to clear why Dan Rather is suing CBS.
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    by digistew September 26, 2007 2:59 AM EDT
    I don''t watch 60 minutes anymore either and after reading this it confirms why. A terrible interview and interviewer with ridiculous questions. What happened to good journalism?? Mainstream media is in the toilet. It is all to clear why Dan Rather is suing CBS.
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    by rshoff2 September 26, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
    Gaye5: Thank you. You are one of the few voices of truth I hear these days. It''s simple. You said it so clearly. Thank you. I hope you keep saying it.
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    by rshoff2 September 26, 2007 2:32 AM EDT
    Scott is an American. He does his job, some like it, some don''t. Iran is a problem. Please take you anger and use it for good purposes in protecting our liberties. If ''whats his name'' (and no, I don''t recognize him as a leader of anything but oppression) had his way, your daughters would be castrated, your wives would be covered up, and you would be left to bring home the bacon... On your own. Is that what you people want? I feel sorry for the Iranians. I''m ashamed by the Americans acceptance and support of the Iranian jerk. And, I know it falls on deaf ears. You don''t care. I guess that makes you one of the arrogant ones, just like Scott, huh?
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