Poll: Most Say Bush Iraq Plan Falls Short

72% In CBS Poll Want U.S. Out Of Iraq Within Two Years - But Doubt That Will Happen

(CBS)  Most Americans continue to want troops to start coming home from Iraq, and most say the plan President Bush announced last week for troop reductions doesn't go far enough, according to a CBS News poll released Monday.

While the president spoke of a long-term commitment to Iraq in his nationally televised address, a time frame longer than two years is not acceptable to most Americans. Still, most of those polled expect large numbers of U.S. troops to remain in Iraq for many years to come.

Sixty-eight percent of Americans say that U.S. troop levels in Iraq should either be reduced or that all troops should be removed - similar numbers to those before Mr. Bush's speech.

U.S. TROOP LEVELS IN IRAQ SHOULD BE…?

Now
Increased
6%
Kept same
21%
Reduced
39%
Remove all troops
29%

Pre-speech, 9/4-8/2007
Increased
11%
Kept same
19%
Reduced
35%
Remove all troops
30%

Nearly half want Mr. Bush to remove even more troops by next summer than he proposed in his address. Forty-seven percent say the plan to bring troop numbers down to pre-surge levels next year should go even further.

The poll also found that despite optimistic assessments of the U.S. troop surge by Mr. Bush and Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, Americans are unconvinced that the surge is working.

Only about one in three (31 percent) said the surge has made things in Iraq better, while more than half (51 percent) say it's had no impact. Eleven percent say it's made things worse.

Overall, Americans remain pessimistic about the war. Just 34 percent think things are going well for the U.S. in Iraq, while 63 percent say things are going badly - about the same as before the president's speech.

More than half of Americans (55 percent) believe that success in Iraq is unlikely, and nearly two-thirds (65 percent) think Mr. Bush's assessments of the situation there are too rosy.

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A CBS News/New York Times poll released just before the president's speech found only one in five Americans were willing to allow U.S. troops to remain in Iraq for more than two years.

There is no greater appetite for that kind of long-term troop commitment now: just 22 percent would accept U.S. troops staying in Iraq for two years or more. Seventy-two percent want troops to remain there for less than two years.

There's a wide gap in the poll between what Americans would like to see happen, and what they think will happen. Just 34 percent think U.S. troops will be in Iraq for less than two years; most think they will be there longer.

KEEPING LARGE NUMBERS OF TROOPS IN IRAQ:

Want
Less than a year
49%
One to two years
23%
Two to five years
12%
Longer than five years
5%

Expect
Less than a year
10%
One to two years
24%
Two to five years
31%
Longer than five years
27%

The gap between hopes and expectations exists among Republicans, as well as Democrats. Forty-nine percent of Republicans are willing for troops to stay in Iraq two years or longer, but far more, 67 percent, expect them to remain that long.

President Bush’s overall job approval rating remains at 29 percent, similar to what it was a week ago. His rating on handling the war in Iraq is holding at 25 percent.

Congressional Democrats don’t fare much better on Iraq: just 31 percent approve of the way Democrats handling the war. Twenty-seven percent of Americans approve of the way Congress is handling its job overall, up slightly from last week.

On another topic, the poll found that Americans continue to lose confidence that the government will capture Osama bin Laden. In the wake of a new videotape from the terrorist leader, just 39 percent of Americans are now confident the U.S. will capture or kill him. A majority is not confident that will happen.

In October 2001, just after the 9/11 attacks, 70 percent were confident the U.S. would catch bin Laden.

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This poll was conducted among a random sample of 706 adults nationwide, interviewed by telephone September 14-16, 2007. The error due to sampling for results based on the entire sample could be plus or minus four percentage points. The error for subgroups is higher.

[feelfree1]

%u201CWhy we stand for immediate withdrawal of all US troops from Iraq%u201D

%u201CTHE U.S. occupation of Iraq has not liberated the Iraqi people, but has made life worse for most Iraqis.%u201D

%u201CTens of thousands of U.S. service people have been killed or maimed, and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis have lost their lives as a result of the U.S. invasion in 2003, the ongoing occupation, and the violence unleashed by them.%u201D

%u201CIraq''s infrastructure has been destroyed, and U.S. plans for reconstruction abandoned. There is less electricity, less clean drinking water, and more unemployment today than before the U.S. invasion.%u201D

%u201CAll of the justifications initially provided by the U.S. for waging war on Iraq have been exposed as lies; the real reasons for the invasion %u2014 to control Iraq''s oil reserves and to increase U.S. strategic influence in the region %u2014 now stand revealed.%u201D

%u201CThe Bush administration has insisted again and again that stability, democracy, and prosperity are around the next bend in the road%u2026But the U.S. has deliberately stoked sectarian divisions in its ongoing attempt to install a U.S.-friendly regime, thus driving Iraq towards civil war.%u201D

%u201CWe call on the U.S. to get out of Iraq %u2014 not in six months, not in a year, but now.%u201D

www.ipetitions.com/petition/OutNow

[liberalvet]

Again Americas voice screams for getting out of Iraq, but this fool hearty and arrogant idiot, his staff in the White House, and every NEOCON Congressman continues to forge ahead. 2008 will not get here soon enough.....

[feelfree1]

The sooner that we end our presence in the fraud-based and illegal war of aggression against Iraq, the sooner that we can concentrate on bringing the mass-muderous and illegitimate domestic enemies of the Bush cabal before a war crimes tribunal, and the sooner that we can regain some dignity.

[tejasdemo]

I WANT OUT OF IRAQ NOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW !!!!!!!!!!!!

[dmgenet]

Bush''s plan falls short? This is news? Most of Bush''s plans have fallen short. He either can''t get a bill through(Medicare) or underfunds the bill''s he does get through (Medicare medications). He''s got the best spin doctors in the country. Or used to have the best. I think the rats have deserted the ship to write tell-all books.

There should be no surprises from the White House up to January 08. Just aging group thinkers attempting to salvage a failed presidency.

[liberalvet]

EXACTLY why I made an all CONSERVATIVE political Music CD!
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Fortunately for you the right to make that CD still exists. Unfortunately your message of ignorance and hate will continue to influence those with IQ''s to small to know better.

[roger_inkart]

I believe that the average American citizen realizes the people who got us into this mess can hardly be expected to be able to get us out.

Why should we expect anything from the Bush administration? We''ll have to hope the damage to the US they can do over the next 1 1/2 year is limited.

Hopefully the next administration will treat America, it''s citizens and the world with respect and not vicious contempt, arrogance and disdain.

[roger_inkart]

EXACTLY why I made an all CONSERVATIVE political Music CD!
Posted by conserva at 06:54 PM : Sep 17, 2007

Wow. I bet it''s JUST GREAT. It is someone humming the Star-Spangled Banner and then shouting out ''9/11'' over and over? That seems to be about the depth of the conservative movement over the last few years.

[david1737]

Remember the comic "peanuts?"

Remember when Lucy would hold the football for Charlie Brown?

How many more times are the Bush supporters gonna go for the same trick from the Bush Administration?

Wake up people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[one_american]

Polls are ''fun'', but in the end, mean nothing when it comes to fighting terrorism, or helping a new democracy stand on its own.

Whether some Americans realize it or not, we are fortunate to have a President who doesn''t rely on polls to make tough, intelligent decisions.

That''s why we ELECT them. So they can LEAD, NOT FOLLOW.

[jimfinster]

EXACTLY why I made an all CONSERVATIVE political Music CD!
Posted by conserva at 06:54 PM : Sep 17, 2007

I imagine you are sincere, but this is weird.

Anyway, the only "conservative music" I want to hear is that which is played as Bush leaves office :) That will indeed be sweet music to the ears!!

[jimfinster]

That''s why we ELECT them. So they can LEAD, NOT FOLLOW.
Posted by One_American

Or in the case of Bush, APPOINT them.

[billpl-2009]

"Poll: Most Say Bush Iraq Plan Falls Short"

....yeah, like 72% of America knows the how to fix this problem?!?!

[roger_inkart]

Whether some Americans realize it or not, we are fortunate to have a President who doesn''t rely on polls to make tough, intelligent decisions.
Posted by One_American at 07:23 PM : Sep 17, 2007

There is nothing ''fortunate'' to speak of when it comes to the Bush administration, except the fact that one day it will end.

Thankfully most of the nation understands this finally. The dull-witted sychophants are the only ones stupid enough to try and defend Mr. Bush now.

[smirk5]

This shows what a joke our democracy is. Americans want out of Iraq. The "leaders" we elect keep us in Iraq. We don''t expect our leaders to do what we the people want. So, the people of this country don''t expect their leaders to represent their will when it comes to a war. Essentially, we don''t expect our democracy to function as a democracy. Sad.

[nyckate]

Bush will never know this - he will never see or hear the data - he will remain coccooned in his delusional state of mind because he simply is not mature enough to accept that the greater majority of Americans no longer believe him or believe in him.

Bush was, is and remains the wrong man, at the wrong time in the wrong place. All George was capable of doing was being a figurehead - he has no capabilities, abilities, qualities or skills to be President of the United States of America. Rove sold him teh same way he sold millions of Americans Hair-Gro pills - both being fakes.

[jowand]

This shows what a joke our democracy is. Americans want out of Iraq. The "leaders" we elect keep us in Iraq. We don''''t expect our leaders to do what we the people want. So, the people of this country don''''t expect their leaders to represent their will when it comes to a war. Essentially, we don''''t expect our democracy to function as a democracy. Sad.


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Posted by Smirk5 at 07:30 PM : Sep 17, 2007

Congress can defund the war anytime it wants to if they can get the number of votes needed, thats Democracy at work. CBS polls are slanted and dishonest and you can''t run a country on polls; which are attempts to slant public opinion. Seventy percent of the public didn''t want to go to war with Germany just before FDR and Congress did.

[jowand]

Bush was, is and remains the wrong man, at the wrong time in the wrong place. All George was capable of doing was being a figurehead - he has no capabilities, abilities, qualities or skills to be President of the United States of America. Rove sold him teh same way he sold millions of Americans Hair-Gro pills - both being fakes.


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Posted by nyckate at 07:35 PM : Sep 17, 2007

Never got over the 2000 election loss which Gore suffered in 2000 have you?

[gretagreen]

I can''t beieve 27% of Americans want our troops to remain in Iraq at the current levels!! First of all, we clearly are not doing our country any good over there. Second, do these people think we have an endless supply of soldiers!? Unless we start up the draft, we cannot maintain the current level. That''s all we have. Wish we could send the 27% on over to check things out for themselves - or force them to read something before ever voting again (or just promise not to vote if you don''t read or think.)

[gretagreen]

Bush hasn''t made any intelligent decisions so we don''t have to worry about him relying on anything for that!

[ioweign]

Bush was, is and remains the wrong man, at the wrong time in the wrong place. All George was capable of doing was being a figurehead - he has no capabilities, abilities, qualities or skills to be President of the United States of America. Rove sold him teh same way he sold millions of Americans Hair-Gro pills - both being fakes.


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Posted by nyckate at 07:35 PM : Sep 17, 2007

Never got over the 2000 election loss which Gore suffered in 2000 have you?


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Posted by jowand at 07:45 PM : Sep 17, 2007


Georgie won and America lost !

[name_verify]

VICTORY IS AMERICAS ONLY CHOICE

THANK YOU PRESIDENT

[jowand]

I can''''t beieve 27% of Americans want our troops to remain in Iraq at the current levels!! First of all, we clearly are not doing our country any good over there. Second, do these people think we have an endless supply of soldiers!? Unless we start up the draft, we cannot maintain the current level. That''''s all we have. Wish we could send the 27% on over to check things out for themselves - or force them to read something before ever voting again (or just promise not to vote if you don''''t read or think.)


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Posted by gretagreen at 07:45 PM : Sep 17, 2007

Good for you don''t believe it, poll are twisted by how the question is asked and how the person is allowed to answer. Plus you are being lied to about what is and is not going on in Iraq, it is all bad news which is further hyped and spun for effect. The US could not have fought and won WW2 with the media we have now.
It is all about politics for the media and how can they get a Democrat in the White House in 2008.

[roger_inkart]

Seventy percent of the public didn''t want to go to war with Germany just before FDR and Congress did.

Posted by jowand at 07:43 PM : Sep 17, 2007

What are you talking about? Germany declared war on us, genius. It''s not like we had a choice.

Ironically, it was the nation''s conservatives who were the most vocal in their opposition to US involvement in WWII.

[roger_inkart]

Plus you are being lied to about what is and is not going on in Iraq, it is all bad news which is further hyped and spun for effect. The US could not have fought and won WW2 with the media we have now.
It is all about politics for the media and how can they get a Democrat in the White House in 2008.

Posted by jowand at 07:51 PM : Sep 17, 2007

Geez, there should be a limit as to how many baseless right-wing talking points you can jam into one post.

God, you people are hilarious. You still spit out the same stupid lies and hope no one calls you on it. Sorry, that ship has sailed. The pro-war lunatic fringe is marginalized. You are isolated. People now see you for the sad, stupid cowards you all are.

[jowand]

Posted by jowand at 07:45 PM : Sep 17, 2007


Georgie won and America lost !


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Posted by IOWEIGN at 07:49 PM : Sep 17, 2007


Correction, Bush won twice, America won twice. We haven''t been nuked, hit by a bio weapon or gassed, even thought the Dems have done everything to keep open borders to allow illegals in. They are hoping to change the voting demographics and willing to get thousands of Americans killed in American cities for their low life vote fraud scheme.

[jowand]

What are you talking about? Germany declared war on us, genius. It''''s not like we had a choice.

Ironically, it was the nation''''s conservatives who were the most vocal in their opposition to US involvement in WWII.


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Posted by roger_inkart at 07:53 PM : Sep 17, 2007

Go read your history book GENIUS.

[red164]

THE US WILL LEAVE WHEN ALL THE OIL IS SUCKED OUT OF THE GROUND NO AMOUNT OF DISSENT IS GOING TO CHANGE THE FACT IT''S ALL ABOUT OIL

[roger_inkart]

Go read your history book GENIUS.

Posted by jowand at 07:58 PM : Sep 17, 2007

Germany declared war on the US on December 11, 1941. That is a fact. If you want to believe otherwise, I can''t stop you. But I can use you as an example of how misinformed and braindead your average Bush supporter is.

[lars008-2009]

Posted by roger_inkart at 07:53 PM : Sep 17, 2007

he said the usa people did not want to go to war,,, not whom declared war first nancy,,,

and what part of politics don"t you understand??? of course the gop called it roosevelts war in ww2 and wilsons war in ww1,,, just like the demonic-rats call this bush''s war,,, shocker,,,

buy yourself a clue nancy,,, it is all about getting elected and staying in power,,, you can"t know who the players are if you don"t buy a program,,, there are no or very few statesmen anymore,,, but you knew that already,,, right nancy,,,

[larrs08]

I declare a jihad against all jihadies that jihad against Bush''s jihad! Nazi islamofascist hajis!

[larrs08]

I declare a jihad against all jihadies that jihad against Bush''s jihad! Nazi islamofascist hajis!

[jowand]

Germany declared war on the US on December 11, 1941. That is a fact. If you want to believe otherwise, I can''''t stop you. But I can use you as an example of how misinformed and braindead your average Bush supporter is.


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Posted by roger_inkart at 08:02 PM : Sep 17, 2007

Congress declared war on the Axis power, Japan and Germany the same day, again read you history GENIUS

[gretagreen]

I don''t think Bush ever won really. America certainly hasn''t won. Also, it''s been the Republicans who''ve been so open with our borders and ports - not the Dems!!

[jowand]

THE US WILL LEAVE WHEN ALL THE OIL IS SUCKED OUT OF THE GROUND NO AMOUNT OF DISSENT IS GOING TO CHANGE THE FACT IT''''S ALL ABOUT OIL


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Posted by red164 at 07:58 PM : Sep 17, 2007

We have a 400 year supply of oil inside the borders of the USA at present consumption rates. The only reason we are not gettin it out of the ground is because of enviro nut jobs, all of whom use lots of it; none of them live in a cave heated by burning goat dung.

[roger_inkart]

buy yourself a clue nancy,,, it is all about getting elected and staying in power,,, you can"t know who the players are if you don"t buy a program,,, there are no or very few statesmen anymore,,, but you knew that already,,, right nancy,,,

Posted by lars008 at 08:04 PM : Sep 17, 2007

Wow. No wonder you usually just post copy and pasted right-wing nonsense. I see now you can barely squeeze out even a mildly coherent sentence. Not very impressive Lars.

Yet you still have the gall to speak as if anyone should respect you as some kind of authority on the matter. God, you people are SO stupid and arrogant. Little wonder Bush is your de facto God.

[jowand]

I don''''t think Bush ever won really. America certainly hasn''''t won. Also, it''''s been the Republicans who''''ve been so open with our borders and ports - not the Dems!!


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Posted by gretagreen at 08:12 PM : Sep 17, 2007

Kennedy has sponsored all three of the bills giving amnesty to these illegals going back to the 1960s. Democrats are the party of open borders, it''s all about changing the voting demgraphics. Both parties records on border security are treasonous.
What do you want to do with our borgers gretagreen????

[lars008-2009]

Posted by gretagreen at 08:12 PM : Sep 17, 2007

ummmm bubba klintoon signed nafta nancy,,,

that opened the borders,,, to even mexican truck drivers,,,

[libsluvsuvs]

hell if they want to troops home now..so be it..BUT MAKE SURE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT..WHEN YOU GUYS HAVE TO LOOK AROUND AND HAVE BOMB THREATS EVERY DAY.

BUT THEN AGAIN...POLLS WOULD SHOW THAT "BUSH SHOULD HAVE NOT LISTEND TO MORONS TO REDUCE TROOPS BECAUSE IT JUST GAVE THE ENEMY A FALSE SENSE OF VICTORY"..
hummm I would say it would take about 2-3 domestic attacks before it sinks in these anti-war advocates that terrorism exist out there to kill them

[roger_inkart]

Congress declared war on the Axis power, Japan and Germany the same day, again read you history GENIUS

Posted by jowand at 08:09 PM : Sep 17, 2007

Not true....

U.S. Declaration of War on Japan

Joint Resolution Declaring that a state of war exists between the Imperial Government of Japan and the Government and the people of the United States and making provisions to prosecute the same.
Whereas the Imperial Government of Japan has committed unprovoked acts of war against the Government and the people of the United States of America: Therefore be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of American in Congress assembled, That the state of war between the United States and the Imperial Government of Japan which has thus been thrust upon the United States is hereby formally declared; and the President is hereby authorized and directed to employ the entire naval and military forces of the United States and the resources of the Government to carry on war against the Imperial Government of Japan; and, to bring the conflict to a successful termination, all of the resources of the country are hereby pledged by the Congress of the United States.

Approved, December 8, 1941, 4:10 p.m. E.S.T.

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Do you see the word "Germany" anywhere in there?

[phoenixandy]

As long as Republicans hold the White House, we''re going to stay in Iraq forever. We''re never getting out. Get used to Iraq occupying your evening news for the rest of your life span.

[lars008-2009]

Posted by roger_inkart at 08:14 PM : Sep 17, 2007

hahahaha and yet you did not refute one thing nancy,,, hahaha

[gkc99]

"I would say it would take about 2-3 domestic attacks before it sinks in these anti-war advocates that terrorism exist out there to kill them --Posted by libsluvsuvs


If the neocons don''t get us first--you''re a violent bunch with your militias and machine guns. And I''d say a bigger threat to our freedom than some raghaids with box cutters.

[jowand]

ROGERINKART

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US Declaration of War against Germany
December 11, 1941

The War Resolution
Declaring that a state of war exists between the Government of Germany and the government and the people of the United States and making provision to prosecute the same.

Whereas the Government of Germany has formally declared war against the government and the people of the United States of America:

Therefore, be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, that the state of war between the United States and the Government of Germany which has thus been thrust upon the United States is hereby formally declared; and the President is hereby authorized and directed to employ the entire naval and military forces of the government to carry on war against the Government of Germany; and to bring the conflict to a successful termination, all of the resources of the country are hereby pledged by the Congress of the United States.

[roger_inkart]

hahahaha and yet you did not refute one thing nancy,,, hahaha

Posted by lars008 at 08:19 PM : Sep 17, 2007

Refute what exactly? The sad incoherent ramblings of a nobody? Meh, no thanks. The level of your post was about that of your average ranting homeless person. You didn''t say anything of note, so what was there to refute?

Say something of value and I''ll address it. Otherwise I''d recommend you stick to your copy and paste jobs. You''ll look (relatively) less foolish.

[jowand]

ROGERINKART here is FDRs request for war on Germany


The President''s Message
To the Congress of the United States:

On the morning of Dec. 11 the Government of Germany, pursuing its course of world conquest, declared war against the United States. The long-known and the long-expected has thus taken place. The forces endeavoring to enslave the entire world now are moving toward this hemisphere. Never before has there been a greater challenge to life, liberty and civilization. Delay invites great danger. Rapid and united effort by all of the peoples of the world who are determined to remain free will insure a world victory of the forces of justice and of righteousness over the forces of savagery and of barbarism. Italy also has declared war against the United States.

I therefore request the Congress to recognize a state of war between the United States and Germany, and between the United States and Italy.

Franklin D. Roosevelt

[gretagreen]

I really appreciate the open forum on CBS but I see the same right wingers on here day after day - primarily deflecting and digressing or just reposting the same nonsense over and over. I really like to hear right wingers and left wingers and everyone in between, but we''ve got to raise the level of discourse or the few thoughtful posters we do have will lose interest and stop posting.

[donnie900]

These right wing lunatics are worst than heavy metal bands.

[jowand]

t.u.r.d sucking, lar00800


is a numb-nut yellow belly piece of s.h.i.t



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Posted by mocaleo at 08:23 PM : Sep 17, 2007

You must be a blood relative to seven-pesos

[larrs08]

I declare a jihad against all jihadies that jihad against Bush''s jihad! Nazi islamofascist hajis!

Hahahahahaha...haji!