McCain To MoveOn: Get Out

Senator Blasts Anti-War Group In New Hampshire

(CBS)  Arizona Senator John McCain has taken criticism of anti-war group MoveOn.org to a whole new level: He is suggesting that the organization “ought to be thrown out of this country.”

The liberal advocacy group angered Republicans earlier this week with a full-page ad in the New York Times criticizing Gen. David Petraeus as he prepared to testify before Congress. The ad, which asserted that Petraeus was “cooking the books” on the situation in Iraq carried the headline, “General Petraeus or General Betray Us?”

Republicans condemned the ad and the party’s presidential candidates have taken it up as a cause on the campaign trail. The campaign of Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani took out its own ad in the Times criticizing MoveOn and tying the organization to Hillary Clinton. McCain has begun carrying a blown-up, laminated poster of the MoveOn ad to his campaign stops.

And speaking at an event in Hudson, New Hampshire last night, CBS News’ Dante Higgins reports he once again displayed the ad and said: “It’s disgraceful, it’s got to be retracted and condemned by the Democrats, and MoveOn.org ought to be thrown out of this country.”

Today, the McCain campaign clarified the senator’s comments for CBS News. “Senator McCain, like most Americans, is appalled by the MoveOn.org ad. Last night he expressed his outrage in words that did not convey his intended meaning. What he meant to say was that MoveOn's smear of General Petraeus' character should have no place in the American political debate.”

[micma-2009]

McCain has clearly lost his mind.

[perception5]

Rasmussen poll: Thursday, September 13, 2007

" Forty-three percent (43%) of Americans favor the recommendation made by General David Petraeus to withdraw 30,000 soldiers from Iraq but leave 130,000 troops in place at least through the summer. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 38% are opposed and 19% are not sure. "

And so the American people have spoken as to the surge. Now our President will make it so ...........despite some of the most corrupt left-wing attempts by America''s news media this week to push their lies and propaganda in support of their fellow liberal pals, the Democrats.

The stunt pulled by the far left-wing hate group MoveOn.org and the ultra liberal corrupt NYTimes to smear the US General on the ground this past Monday was a total disgrace to all Americans. Today our liberal political/news organizations represent poison in the blood stream of this great nation..................and that''s a FACT

[tejasdemo]

Lol. What a complete zero McCain has become. He and all his Republican nazi buddies are the ones who ought to be thrown out of the country. Hell, I bet MoveOn would buy the tickets. I''d even chip in 25 bucks myself.

[tnichlsn]

Please, two thirds of the country thinks Bush is a bumbling idiot who should be impeached, the American people have spoken, to bad nobody in DC is listening..

[tylenol6]

McLame, Go back to Arizona and retire your sorry ***. You don''t have a fighting chance......

[toolmangler-2009]

Show me how MoveOn.org is any better than the Republican War hawks. It looks to me like they just stooped to the same level as the ones they are castigating.

[jerr11]

Yep,

After MoveOn is thrown out, ACLU has to go too...

In fact, the only group we need are the Republicans! They''re the true patriots!

LOL

Warmongers, sleazeballs, pedophiles, adulterers, liars.

What a sorry bunch!

[one_american]

MoveOn.org has just made the Democrats an enemy of our Military, and the enemy of all conservative Americans.

Don''t expect any votes from the men and women in uniform, slimeball Dems!

[usayesterday]

Tisk Tisk McCain.

I supported you in 2000, and now you''re just pandering to the Neo-Cons hate rhetoric that''s heard on the radio talk shows morning, noon, and night, every day.

Oh well, I guess desperation is setting in at your old age. Desperate to attain the highest political office in the land that is. I hate to break it to you McCain, but you''re not even close!

Thompson has locked up the far-right religious Conservatives.

Guiliani has the pro-war and moderate Republicans.

Romney has the entire state of Utah.

I guess that leaves McCain with the potential Conservative Hispanic block of voters... and that''s it.

[tnichlsn]

If the US military had listened to their leaders who spoke forcefully to the need of many more troops 6 yrs ago, we wouldn''t be in this quagmire, but instead they listened to the neocons and now the guys in the trenches are paying dearly for that decision. The neocon/GOP don''t give a *** about the military, all they are concerned with is making GW look good at any price, as long as that price doesn''t effect their profit margin.

[ioweign]

Hmmm...Where did the term "Swiftboating" come from ?

Hmmm...What was General Pet''s assignment in Iraq in 2004 Training the Iraq Army and Security Forces ? Well where are these Forces - As they stand up, we stand down - Right !

[ioweign]

Double standard - McCain


Cleland served in the United States Army during the Vietnam War, attaining the rank of Captain. He was awarded the Silver Star and the Bronze Star for valorous action in combat, including during the Battle of Khe Sanh on April 4th, 1968.



Running for Max Cleland''s Georgia Senate seat in 2002, the Republican Chambliss questioned his opponent''s patriotism. You may recall he even ran TV ads with photos of Cleland alongside those of Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. The ads were roundly maligned at the time as a new low in political dirty tricks. But, of course, they had the desired effect...... Chambliss won.

[hypnotoad72]

MoveOn may be a sad organization, but when''s the last time they said Americans wouldn''t pick lettuce for even $50/hr and then squirm around the comment when people took ''em up on it?

[undermyboot]

Typical neoofascist comment. Like all of the other lies they tell, they cover up the Betray-us distortions and spin (written by the White House) with more lies. These people are not "conservative". Far from it. They want a revolution in this country that puts them in perpetual power, and they are not above lying their way to it.

Like the NAZIs they emulate:

%u201CThat propaganda is good which leads to success, and that is bad which fails to achieve the desired result. It is not propaganda%u2019s task to be intelligent, its task is to lead to success.%u201D- Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Propaganda Minister

The truth of their failures and lies about Iraq is inconvenient, and they need to cover up their ever-present mistakes. So whatever these fascists say and what ever their mimicking parrots on this board say, it is all a lie.

"...the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Hermann Goering, Nazi leader

[smirk5]

The Republicans don''t have time to go after Bin Laden right now. First, they have to save us all from the possibility of an American General having his feelings hurt when he''s criticized by MoveOn. No wonder Bin Laden has plenty of time to put out videos. The GOP is too busy crying about their feelings being hurt.

[gramto7]

Since when does McCain have the right to tell MoveOn or anyone else what they are allowed to say!?!? I thought we had freedom of speech in this country! That SOB isn''t going to tell me I cannot call the General or Dumbyass what they are!!

[pepperp1]

What the move on folks did was knocked the cover off the GOP front man and exposed in front of the American People that obstructionist like Mc Cain the Republican Senators were the one with the power to change this Humpty Dumpty War.


No political progress had been made, Baghdad electricity is on only 3 hours a day, 30 to 50 dead bodies found on the streets every night, 2 Million refuges, 1 Million Iraqis displaced in Country, 13 Billion US dollars being spent every month, pushing 4,000 US dead 30,000 wounded, our troops many on their 5th deployment, stays stretched to 15 months with little time home, the highest rate of suicide the military has ever had and this has been the bloodiest summer of this going on 5 year war not the WALK THROUGH THE TULIPS YOU BIOY DESCRIBED.



I believe the American People would have felt less betrayed if the General a soldier had stated in his opening statement that his recommendation




1. Did not consider the safety of the United States of America.

2. That his math would differ with all other Pentagon death tolls.

3.. That the Pentagon Joint Chiefs did not agree and called for a rapid draw down.

And

4. And lastly that he participated in daily communications session with the former Republican National Committee Chairman and Aid to the President to prepare his independent assessment


Do the hard work Senator RNC Straight Talk stunts dont work on us.

[usayesterday]

Old slogan:

"When they stand up, we stand down."


New slogan:

When they (the Iraqis) trip over themselves, we follow!

[smirk5]

The hilarious thing is that Petraeus is being set up by the Republicans as the fall guy for the Iraq war. Right now, they are treating him with so much deference just so they can trash him as the loser of the Iraq war sometime in the not too distant future. There won''t be any Republicans who will defend Petraeus 10 years from now. Fox will surely say Petraeus was a liberal. And, all the GOPers here will conveniently forget that they ever defended Petraeus.

[jerr11]

pedophiles (Foley, Craig), adulterers (Giuliani, Gingrich), liars (Foley, Cheney, Bush).

What a sorry bunch!

[pepperp1]

Here is what Mc Cain and his ilk in the Senate want to distract you from discussing.


No political progress had been made, Baghdad electricity is on only 3 hours a day, 30 to 50 dead bodies found on the streets every night, 2 Million refuges, 1 Million Iraqis displaced in Country, 13 Billion US dollars being spent every month, pushing 4,000 US dead 30,000 wounded, our troops many on their 5th deployment, stays stretched to 15 months with little time home, the highest rate of suicide the military has ever had and this has been the bloodiest summer of this going on 5 year war not the WALK THROUGH THE TULIPS YOU BIOY DESCRIBED.



I believe the American People would have felt less betrayed if the General a soldier had stated in his opening statement that his recommendation




1. Did not consider the safety of the United States of America.

2. That his math would differ with all other Pentagon death tolls.

3.. That the Pentagon Joint Chiefs did not agree and called for a rapid draw down.

And

4. And lastly that he participated in daily communications session with the former Republican National Committee Chairman and Aid to the President to prepare his independent assessment


Do the hard work Senator spare us the political stunts, are children are being killed in your war.

[ixoye_02]

Move On, McCain. Thank you for your service to our country. But your actions are still perceived as fascist and un-american and we don''t need any more leaders who would define how americans should voice their dissent...especially when the leaders of your republican party have betrayed integrity and principal and have lost the ability to tell the truth. I am not defending the text of MoveOn''s ad, but to say that they should be tossed out of the country is unfathomable. It wasn''t difficult for me to think Petraeus and "betray us" because many of us have felt betrayed by the president and congressional republican leaders when they had control of congress. I don''t actually think that Petraeus has betrayed the american people...at least not at this time. MoveOn McCain!!!

[lawyertom1]

Johnie, Johnie. Tilting at windmills again? Shame on you. You have more class than that. Besides, we have this little thing called the First Amendment. It protects nuts like MoveOn, and nuts like Faux Noise. Both are stupid; both are protected. Come on. Show the class we saw in in the 2000 race. Be the iconoclast you use to be, the one we all loved and respected. Be bold again; think outside the box again. No more cheap playing to the scum in the pits.

[starleo146]

When Pres. Bush said they would send the words of the Petraeus report from the white house to congress I feel that is how all this Petraeus Betrayus was born and he was questioned at the hearing, if in fact was this your report General, and he said, yes, but once again the propaganda machine from the white house has to blame someone so move on.org is not totally wrong here and they the republicans did not condemn Freedom watch on the Kerry lie did they.

[donnie900]

Moveon.org is a buncha hairy women with beer bellies and pony tails. A buncha loud mouth AOLsucks ban microsoft freakazoids who think perpetual complaining is freedom.

[kansas1946]

Well, I hardly think that "MoveOn" should be "thrown out of the country." I think it was a stupid ad, only harmful to the Democrats, but stupid speech is protected, just like any speech. Just look at Rush and O''Reilly. They are about as stupid as you can get, but I would never want to throw them out of the country. As another stupid speaker once said, "Bring it on."

[starleo146]

Posted by pepperp1 at 07:28 PM : Sep 14, 2007

You work very hard, and I want you to know the information you gather and inform us with, is very much appreciated, thank you.

[frb01]

Early this year, when Congress passed two bills, and they were vetoed, and then decided they would cave in to the President, primarily because they would have been brought back to Washington in August and interrupt their summer recess, where was the full page ad condemming them. The General is trying to do the job he was trained to do, and Senator McCain has the right to free speech just like everyone else, but he also earned extra by being in that POW came. Move on and its ilk need to concentrate their efforts on helping us get the best two candidates to run in the general election. Or maybe they should put some pressure on Congressional leadership if they want to end the war.

[kansas1946]

Come on. Show the class we saw in in the 2000 race. Be the iconoclast you use to be, the one we all loved and respected. Be bold again; think outside the box again. No more cheap playing to the scum in the pits.
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Posted by LawyerTom1 at 07:35
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Isn''t that the truth, Tom. John McCain held the moderate Republican and independent hearts in his hand in 2000. The right-wing whackos beat him though. He lost his way, and is nothing now but a right-wing sycophant now, and it is pitiful to see.

[starleo146]

For all you "free-speech enthusiasts" who support MoveOn.org, the defamation and slander of America and our military leaders who are making the sacrifices to keep you out of harms way:

Here is my free speech.

You should tried for treason and hanged by the neck until you are dead, then left to rot for a year as an example to other would-be traitors.

Pleasant dreams, moonbats.

Posted by One_American at 07:28 PM : Sep 14, 2007

Hurts Huh, Now you know how Kerry felt with Freedom watch and no one screamed about that did they?

[smirk5]

Petraeus himself proved that politics were a major part of his presentation. When first asked if the Iraq War was making us safer, he answered that he didn''t know. Then, not long later, he backpedaled and gave an answer that fit more closely to what the Bushies would want.
When he first heard the question, he thought and gave his answer. Why would his first answer be so completely different from his later corrected answer?
It''s obvious. Petraeus is a Bush shill.

[rafterman1]

===He is suggesting that the organization %u201Cought to be thrown out of this country.%u201D===

Why Senator McCain, how very communist of you. Yeah, it''s all right when libs are constantly called traitors by the right, but when a righty gets name-called by libs, you want them kicked out of the country. Hipocrasy as usual.

[kansas1946]

Hurts Huh, Now you know how Kerry felt with Freedom watch and no one screamed about that did they?
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Posted by starleo146
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Yeah, it is a little disingenuinous for the Republicans to be feigning horror when someone attacks a military person. I didn''t notice that same horror from them when John McCain was called a traitor in 2000, or John Kerry called a traitor in 2004. It seems to me that they opened this hateful can of worms, and now they want to throw back the stinking fish that the worms caught.

[donnie900]

Ya know whats wrong with free speech? Ya get these.. radio broadcast entrapanures.. who start holding the monopoly on morality and ethics. Robbing people of their God given common sense. Thinking for them..

Stick a religious collar on all the talk.. and all the talkers.. and ask yerselves: "What religion are they?"

[pepperp1]

Come on. Show the class we saw in in the 2000 race. Be the iconoclast you use to be, the one we all loved and respected. Be bold again; think outside the box again. No more cheap playing to the scum in the pits.
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Isn''''t that the truth, Tom. John McCain held the moderate Republican and independent hearts in his hand in 2000. The right-wing whackos beat him though. He lost his way, and is nothing now but a right-wing sycophant now, and it is pitiful to see.


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Posted by kansas1946 at 07:45 PM : Sep 14, 2007
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I think it is more than that his dress up act in the Baghdad market, WOOOOOOOeee. But if I were the voters of Arizona I actually would be concerned about his ability to represent the State, there is no way he can win the nomination but there is something not right there.

[rafterman1]

===You should tried for treason and hanged by the neck until you are dead, then left to rot for a year as an example to other would-be traitors.===

What''s the punishment for lying a country into war and outing CIA agents for political revenge? How about conducting war policies harmful to the security of the United States in the name of profit? Of forcing soldiers into exaustion on ridiculously long, multiple tours of duty, but not providing them will all the necessary equipment to conduct the job or proper health care? What is the punishment for all those things? Oh yeah, I remember. Re-election.

[rafterman1]

==I didn''''t notice that same horror from them when John McCain was called a traitor in 2000, or John Kerry called a traitor in 2004.===

After what happened to Max Cleeland, the righties have balls to make a stink about this.

[donnie900]

"there is no way he can win the nomination but there is something not right there."

He''s got short arms.

[kansas1946]

I think it is more than that his dress up act in the Baghdad market, WOOOOOOOeee. But if I were the voters of Arizona I actually would be concerned about his ability to represent the State, there is no way he can win the nomination but there is something not right there.
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You may be right, pepperp. I had kind of forgotten about the little stroll through the "safe" market in full flack gear, with fifty body guards and a couple of Apaches overhead. Maybe the right-wing whackos really drove him out of his mind. They could do it, mind you. At times they have caused a little mental instability in me myself. :o)

[waynabq]

Bush lied about WMDs and Iraq''s (none)involvement in 9-11 and pardoned a cronie for outing a CIA agent to start a war that''s killed nearly a million Iraqi civilians, the needless deaths of 4000 dead and 23,000 permanently maimed at a cost of $500 billion.

McCain is crowing about a Moveon.org ad attacking a Bush cronie? Why didn''t he say anything when Kerry was being Swiftboated? McCain has Alzheimer''s and is nothing but Bush''s poodle.

Its a free country and McCain can go to H*ll.

[waynabq]

If Baghdad is so safe and made so much progress, why doesn''t Bush, Cheney, Limbaugh, O''Reilly, Hannity, Ann Coulter and all of their rightwing nuts go on an extended vacation outside the "Green Zone" without heavily armed military escort.

MoveOn.Org has First Amendment Rights, but free speech in a Democratic society has certain responsibilities and obligations. Instead of being thrown out of the country as Senator McCain suggests, they should be tried for treason and suffer the full consequences of their actions. Giving aid and comfort to our enemies in time of war is treasonist behavior. They are Un-American, and any politician who will not denounce their behavior is unfir to serve our nation in any capacity.

E Bowers, Kansas

[pepperp1]

Posted by starleo146
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Dont buy it these guys are vicious in your face dirty Politicians, they are whining about MO to look tough and not discuss their Humpty Dumpty war it is an act.

Here are some groups he should maybe throw out of the country they are shadow groups on his team and it could be argued that they are working to subvert the Democracy the People of America. These guys some Ambassadors now but several Economic Royalist behind these fronts are they are going to be coming at our nominees our government with all they have.

Arkansas Project; mostly funded by billionaire that were designed to damage and end the presidency of Bill Clinton.

Swift Vets and POWs for Truth, mostly funded by Perry and Fox formerly known as the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth formed during the 2004 presidential election campaign for the purpose of opposing John Kerry''s candidacy for the presidency


Freedom''s Watch ; mostly funded by Las Vegas Billionaire is a new White House front group of prominent conservatives pro-Israel agenda, masquerading as a grassroots movement, It has been described as outfit dedicated to keeping the war industry thriving.


Fox Noise; mostly funded by Murdoch


And all spinning tabloid trash for the 24 hour news cycle like this MO boo hoo act.

[rafterman1]

Guys, you keep talking about Kerry, but don''t forget an even worse offense: Max Cleeland.

Cleeland was running for a Senate seat in Georgia in 2004 and his Repub opponent, in an ad, compared Max Cleeland, a triple amputee and Vietnam veteran, to Osama bin Laden.

[myidoncbs]

John McCain has completely lost his mind. I feel sorry for him. I wish the repugs would nominate him, though. It would be very hard for any democrat to lose an honest election against John at this point, and nobody would believe it if he somehow "won".

[waynabq]

Way to go Moveon.org, the Right wing and Bush/Rove have been using smear tactics and intimidation their entire political careers.

Don''t back down, to these self-righteous SOBs who think they''ve got a right to tell the rest of the country what''s right and what''s wrong when they''re actually the sickest group of closeted perverts in our society (Mark Foley(Child molester), Larry Craig (gay *** in public solicitor), Reverend Ted Haggart (gay prostitute solicitor/crystal methyl user), Jeff Gannon (male prostitute, White house press plant), Rush Limbaugh (Oxycontin/viagra abuser), Bill O''Reilly (sexual harrasser), Sean Hannity (*** monger), David Vitter (adultery/prostitute solictor).

You know what they all have in common, they''re the ones preaching to the rest of the country the "evils of Liberalism". Unfortunately, there are millions of self-righteous idiots who buy their cr@p.

[kansas1946]

"they should be tried for treason and suffer the full consequences of their actions. Giving aid and comfort to our enemies in time of war is treasonist behavior. They are Un-American, and any politician who will not denounce their behavior is unfir to serve our nation in any capacity."
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Well, I think that George W. Bush should be tried for treason, but he probably won''t be.

[rafterman1]

E Bowers,

What''s the punishment for lying a country into war and outing CIA agents for political revenge? How about conducting war policies harmful to the security of the United States in the name of profit? Of forcing soldiers into exaustion on ridiculously long, multiple tours of duty, but not providing them will all the necessary equipment to conduct the job or proper health care? What is the punishment for all those things? Oh yeah, I remember. Re-election.

[donnie900]

Well, Treason is a law that hasn''t been enforced since 1917.

[pepperp1]

Same ole same ole, reckless faux arguments lies, and distractions. Provocation and divisive antics for their sicko Base. The traditional group to hate MOVE ON, replaces the Islamofacists, well maybe they will leave Senator Craig alone for a bit.


Do not be distracted the facts are simple the math just as simple, the guilty sacrificing our soldiers and their lives unnecessary are the Republicans in the Senate Bush and Petraeus can not keep our troops in Iraq if 18 Republican Senators switch their vote for America and our Troops so they may come home and live long lives with their families.



Call your Senator tell him to execute the will of the people not a perverted Political Party agenda. Make your voice heard let them know your vote will hold them accountable for our dead and debt.

[phone] for the Senate, and [phone] for the House


Call your Senator tell them to choose Life for our Troops.