U.S.-Allied Sheik's Followers Vow Revenge

Funeral For Slain Sunni Leader Draws 1,500 Mourners; Elsewhere, 4 U.S. Troops Killed

(CBS/AP)  Mourners vowed revenge and perseverance Friday at the funeral of the leader of the Sunni Arab revolt against al Qaeda militants who was assassinated just 10 days after meeting with President Bush in Iraq's Anbar province.

Al Qaeda’s front in Iraq claimed responsibility for the attack in a Web statement.

In eastern Diyala provice, meanwhile, a bomb exploded near a U.S. military vehicle on Friday, killing four American soldiers in, the U.S. command said. They were the first American deaths reported in Iraq since Monday.

More than 1,500 mourners marched along the highway near the home of Abdul-Sattar Abu Risha, who was killed along with two bodyguards and a driver Thursday by a bomb hidden near his house, just west of Ramadi.

Scores of Iraqi police and U.S. military vehicles lined the route to protect the procession as it followed the black SUV carrying the sheik's Iraqi-flag draped coffin.

"We will take our revenge," the mourners chanted along the six-mile route to Risha's family cemetery, many of them crying. "We will continue the march of Abu Risha."

Abu Risha was buried one year after the goateed, charismatic, chain-smoking young sheik organized 25 Sunni Arab clans under the umbrella of the Anbar Awakening Council, an alliance against al Qaeda in Iraq, to drive terrorists from sanctuaries where they had flourished after the U.S.-led invasion in 2003.

No group claimed responsibility for the assassination, but it was widely assumed to have been carried out by al Qaeda, which already had killed four of Abu Risha's brothers and six other relatives for working with the U.S. military.

U.S. officials credit Abu Risha and allied sheiks with a dramatic improvement in security in such Anbar flashpoints as Fallujah and Ramadi after years of American failure to subdue the extremists. U.S. officials now talk of using the Anbar model to organize tribal fighters elsewhere in Iraq.

Mr. Bush hailed Abu Risha's courage during his short Sept. 3 visit to al-Asad Air Base, and vowed in his nationally televised address Thursday night to help others carry on his work.

"Earlier today, one of the brave tribal sheiks who helped lead the revolt against al Qaeda was murdered," Mr. Bush said. "In response, a fellow Sunni leader declared: 'We are determined to strike back and continue our work.' And as they do, they can count on the continued support of the United States."

Many high-ranking officials were on hand for the funeral, including Iraq's interior and defense ministers and National Security Adviser Mouwaffak al-Rubaie.

"We condemn the killing of Abu Risha, but this will not deter us from helping the people of Anbar - we will support them more than before," al-Rubaie declared. "It is a national disaster and a great loss for the Iraqi people - Abu Risha was the only person to confront al Qaeda in Anbar."

In other developments:

Unidentified gunmen killed three farmers Friday who had been taking their turn guarding a village about 20 miles south of Baghdad in an early-morning drive-by shooting, police said. Farther south in the city of Hillah, gunmen attacked the home of Col. Hussein Ali Hassoon al Khafaji, an Iraqi army battalion commander, killing a guard and wounding another, police said.

In a helicopter assault mission west of Baghdad, three suspected insurgents were killed and three American soldiers were injured, the U.S. command said. Iraqi soldiers led the raid Thursday on a mosque in Karmah, a town in Iraq's western Anbar province some 50 miles west of the capital, the U.S. military said in a statement. During the operation, people fleeing the mosque fired at American troops - wounding three of them with non-life threatening injuries.

Religious freedom has sharply deteriorated in Iraq over the past year because of the insurgency and secular violence, despite the U.S. military buildup, according to a State Department report to be released Friday. The Annual Report on International Religious Freedom finds that worshippers of all faiths are targeted for attacks and the violence is not confined to the well-known rivalry between Sunni and Shia Muslims.

The U.S. command released more details on the deadly Sept. 10 accident in Baghdad that killed seven soldiers, including two sergeants who helped write a New York Times op-ed article sharply critical of the Pentagon's assessment of the Iraq war. The Army Ranger and reconnaissance team leader were flown to a military hospital in the United States and expected to survive. (Read more)

Meanwhile, Iran's supreme leader said Friday that President Bush will one day be tried in court just like deposed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein for his involvement in the Iraq tragedy.

Speaking to thousands of worshippers during the first Friday prayer of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said that Mr. Bush will be called to account for the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

(AP Photo/Vahid Salemi)

"A day will come that the current U.S. president and officials will be tried in an international supreme court for the catastrophes they caused in Iraq," said Khamenei.

Khamenei's caustic remarks were the latest in a war of words between Tehran and Washington, on the heels of Mr. Bush's Thursday night speech in which he repeatedly referred to the Islamic Republic as a "disruptive" force in need of countering and containment.

"Americans will have to answer for why they don't end occupation of Iraq and why waves of terrorism and insurgency have overwhelmed the country," Khamenei said during his address. "It will not be like this forever and some day they will be stopped as happened to Hitler, Saddam and certain other European leaders."

Khamenei mocked the U.S., describing the recent congressional testimony of the top U.S. officials in Iraq as a sign of weakness and the failure of American policy in the war torn country.

"More than four years have past since the occupation of Iraq and today everyone knows that American has failed and is frantically looking for a way out," he said.

In their testimony Gen. David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker raised allegations of Iranian meddling in Iraq by financial and military supporting militias and insurgent groups, warning that the U.S. was already embroiled in a proxy war with the Islamic republic.

Despite U.N. sanctions and efforts to isolate Iran internationally, the country is flourishing, maintained Khamenei.

"Today we are in a better political position compared to four to five years ago," he said. "We have moved forward economically and the spiritual preparedness and happiness of our nation has improved."

"A nation like ours, without an atomic bomb and not as wealthy as these other powerful governments, has foiled a whole series of their conspiracies and forced them to give up and withdraw," he added.

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by skyk-2009 September 14, 2007 7:44 AM PDT

It''s embarrassing when the Radical Religious Leader of Iran looks to be more in touch with reality than our President. WE are NOT winning in Iraq and pretending we are only makes these people look MORE right. We need a leader folks...really really bad.

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by wolf563 September 14, 2007 8:26 AM PDT

With all the proof the U.S. continues to put forward and pointing thier finger at IRAN for thier involvement in attacks on U.S. and IRAQI`s people . Why has nothing been done to stop this from happening ? As we(THE WORLD BODY) have had to listen to all the proof put forward and stand by while nothing is being done about it , IRAN continues to taunt the U.S. knowing that they (U.S.) WILL NOT DO A THING TO STOP THEM .The U.S. is being looked upon as a JOKE by IRAN . If IRAN is going to use nuclear energy for electricity then they must have a new power grid and new lines installed to handle all the electricity that is going to be used . The world has heard nothing of this transformer and or new lines .

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by pwrslm September 14, 2007 9:00 AM PDT

With all the proof the U.S. continues to put forward and pointing thier finger at IRAN for thier involvement in attacks on U.S. and IRAQI`s people . Why has nothing been done to stop this from happening ?
Posted by wolf563


I find the condition of ignorance is a preferred state of many nations when it comes to the truth. When we show Iranian build weapons and debris that killed our soldiers, Iran ignores us and continues to do what they do, more of our boys die, and the Germans refuse to believe that a orthodox muslim would do such a thing.

Wake up people. We have everything we need to drop Iran to its knee''s, already in the region. In 3 days we could wipe out the Iranian military. All they would have left is a million civilian recruits, poorly trained, underfed, and without the tools to get thier job done.

Bush is on the right track. The Ottoman empire was destroyed by our forefathers, what we are seeing today is a resurgence of the same islamic thesis that they fought long and hard to destroy. People are so naive, and even in light of history, they chose to remain ignorant of reality.

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by hungry1968 September 14, 2007 9:09 AM PDT

Isn''t it funny how CBS always manages to take down the message boards whenever Bush loads us with fresh ammo at his miserably failed administration?

What a coincidence!

Where''s perception5 to tell us how the "MSM wolfpack" is always attacking Bush, when in fact they prevent us from blogging about him.

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by tbweb September 14, 2007 9:27 AM PDT

Mourners vowed revenge ...

And that''s why this will never end! It''s a vicious thousand year old cycle of never ending revenge!

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by prinzowhales September 14, 2007 9:28 AM PDT

Pepe Escobar at the ASIA TIMES does a good job destroying whatever mystique Barney''s new protege, General Betrayus has managed to accumulate. "Only those paying more attention to the botched comeback of the "fat" lip-synching Britney Spears will be fooled by Petraeus, the iPod general - a player of what is fed by his master''s voice, the White House," Escobar writes.

http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/II14Ak04.html

The Shiek and his alliance are responsible for whatever peace there is in Anbar and despite their taking of Betrayus''s ''thirty pieces of silver'' to fight our beast, al Qaeda, the overwhelming majority of Sunnis support attacks on American occupation forces and only two percent support the al-Maliki regime. These are the revanchists who want a reassertion of Sunni power...

Also noted is Betrayus''s spectacular failure in Mosul, which leads us to the question, why was this general, who has already been humiliated by Admiral Fallon, in charge of anything more important than Barney''s pooper-scooper?

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by hungry1968 September 14, 2007 9:28 AM PDT

Wake up people. We have everything we need to drop Iran to its knee''s, already in the region. In 3 days we could wipe out the Iranian military. All they would have left is a million civilian recruits, poorly trained, underfed, and without the tools to get thier job done.
Posted by pwrslm at 09:00 AM : Sep 14, 2007



You sound just like Cheney about our invasion of Iraq.

They''ll be throwing flowers at our soldiers feet welcoming us as liberators, right? Your ignorance is really disturbing.

If they had proof of the weapons being provided by Iran, why don''t they take them to the UN security council?

Explain the hypocrisy to me:
America can sell weapons to Jordan and Saudi Arabia and provide weapons to Sunni insurgents IN IRAQ (WHICH I AM DEAD SET AGAINST), and that''s perfectly acceptable to you Bush ***-kissers.

But when Iran sells weapons to Maliki''s Shiite government or provides weapons to the Shiite insurgents, (WHICH I AM ALSO DEAD SET AGAINST), they''re considered as supporting terrorists and terrorism?

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by boldwin223 September 14, 2007 9:33 AM PDT

"Wake up people. We have everything we need to drop Iran to its knee''''s, already in the region. In 3 days we could wipe out the Iranian military. All they would have left is a million civilian recruits, poorly trained, underfed, and without the tools to get thier job done."

Posted by pwrslm at 09:00 AM : Sep 14, 2007

Why not use the Nentron Bomb. No Americans will die the oil will be save for your SUV''s. So who cares if every man, woman and child in Iran is killed. Apparently you and wolf563 don''t. After all, the U.S. is being looked upon as a JOKE by IRAN.

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by gkc99 September 14, 2007 9:36 AM PDT

Just look at Bushit''s ********** smirk and you''ll see why anyone with an IQ over room temperature despises the little sneak.

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by hungry1968 September 14, 2007 9:47 AM PDT

If the surge really is working, why stop it? I mean President Disaster announced his grand plan in January, and while the violence kept getting worse and worse with more Americans dying each month while the surge built up. They kept telling us, "Wait - the surge isn''t in place yet. Just wait until the surge forces are at full strength." Then in July, they announced that the "surge" was finally at full strength.

Two months later, the "surge" is declared a success and we can now draw down forces? Wouldn''t it make sense, that if they finally found something that is working after 4-1/2 years of failure, that they would stick with it?

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by boldwin223 September 14, 2007 9:55 AM PDT

hungry1968... CBS''s web servers were unable to accommodate 200 million messages from angry people about (Tin Man) Bush''s failed Iraq war.

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by pugster September 14, 2007 10:21 AM PDT

Invading Iran is a mistake without a plan of recovery as you can see with Iraq. Dubya just have plans to topple Saddam''s government but have no plans to rebuild it admist of a power vaccum. The only reason of the reduced violence is that most of the neighborhood is already ethically cleansed. There are no longer neighborhoods where you see mixed ***** and sunni''s because either one of them are gone or dead.

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by drummer94 September 14, 2007 10:33 AM PDT

Gawd! This format really bites. Must be a new kid trying to make his mark. Anyway, look for more bloodshed by the Sunni''s. How they gonna tell which ones are aQI, and which ones are plain ''ol Shiite''s? Wanna wager that they don''t care?

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by drummer94 September 14, 2007 10:44 AM PDT

I said yesterday that my tv was gonna be kissin my rubber brick. 7 times in 18 minutes. A new personal best for me. Loony-toon has lost all touch with reality. He thinks that we are so stupid, that we don''t know the "surge" troops were comin home anyway. Sheesh.

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by rayuk-2009 September 14, 2007 10:45 AM PDT

The universe is full of round things. Planets,balls, rocks and most all holes tend to be round. Bush and his Conservative supporters are square heads that have nothing but square pegs. This is the case in Iraq, in goverment, in religion and most of all in intelligence.

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by September 14, 2007 10:47 AM PDT

I will say it again. If we lose in Iraq, it will be a loss that we will regret for 100 years. I was not in favor of us invading Iraq. But we must conquer our enemies or it will cost many innocent lives in the future!

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by glossypan September 14, 2007 10:59 AM PDT

Looks as if the fifty million American taxpayer dollars we distributed in sparsely populated Anbar province only bought us a few weeks of pacification. George and the boys have already spent all the tax money you will pay in your lifetime. The interest on that trillion dollars will keep your children working extra hours every week. Osama bin Laden is achieving his goal and this administration cannot find the will and the resources to bring him to justice.

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by olebd September 14, 2007 11:00 AM PDT

I can''t take this new format. My eyes feel like they are going to bleed!!!

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by wolf563 September 14, 2007 11:27 AM PDT

pwrslm :Ignorance flows from your mouth quite easily and without truth. I posed a question on the accusations towards Iran and of Iran`s intent . Go back to school and this time stay off your knees.

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by prinzowhales September 14, 2007 11:44 AM PDT

One of the War Pig arguments for continuing what Time-Life dubbed, "The Vietnam Experience" was the Domino Theory...that all of SEA would go Communist if we didn''t ''stay the course'' in Vietnam. That was a lie.

Today the sons and heirs of the War Pig ideology say, ''If we don''t stay the course in Iraq, we''ll regret it for "100 years"''...not 101 years, not 99, but just about as long as the Regime''s ''Long War''.

Bush intended to strike at Iraq from his very first NSC meeting...he just wanted them to ''find him a reason to invade.'' See the book by Paul O''Neil, his first Secretary of Treasury and NSC member. Donald Rumsfeld actually called and asked him not to publish it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inyCkCvqRO0

This is a picture of one of the thermate-cut columns at the WTC--No fuel fire 70 floors above did this to a four-foot diameter structural steel column.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/06/341238.shtml?discuss

This gave the Bush Regime the psychological driver to implement its agenda of a war of aggression against Iraq. The Regime lied about Saddam''s WMDs, Iraq''s danger to the US...it''s assets invented out of whole cloth lies about aluminum tubes and a non-existent Iraqi nuclear program; ''gliders of death'' that could strike at us; a WMD program that could hit Britain in 45 minutes; the Niger yellow-cake and many other things with regard to al Qaeda ties.

Troops Home Now! Bring the dogs in Washington to Justice! Restore the Constitutional Republic!

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by thinkharder- September 14, 2007 11:46 AM PDT

In 3 days we could wipe out the Iranian military.
Posted by pwrslm

Jeez...talk about delusions of grandeur!! Iran is not Iraq my friend. Also...in talking about history, you''d be well suited to read a bit yourself. the Ottomans have nothing to do with the Iranians. Iranian = Persian...Ottoman = Turkish. Ottomans and Persians were enemies...the even beat back the Persians and took Bagdhad from them in the mid 1500''s if I remember correctly. Also...our for-fathers had nothing to do with the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, that having been brought about by the "Young Turkish Revolt" of...1908ish I think. Anyway...you need to do a bit more historical research before you start chastising others for lacking historical insight. Know this...Iran is swelled with 1500 years worth of Persian pride, unlike Iraq having lacked a real ethnic identity. They have a robust military, not to mention a fanatical leadership that would do whatever is necessary to make the job of defeating them as difficult and costly as possible. this is not to say we would not win...we certaintly would, but to what ends? We would gain nothing except a severely destabalized region frought with jaded, revenge hungry, readical extremist pushed underground and out of sight.
Keep your friends close...and enemies closer...oldest trick in the book.

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by rhs648 September 14, 2007 12:08 PM PDT

Two months later, the "surge" is declared a success and we can now draw down forces? Wouldn''''t it make sense, that if they finally found something that is working after 4-1/2 years of failure, that they would stick with it?

Posted by hungry1968

Because Iraq has become a political football, both Democrats and Republicans will remain at odds. Sadly, politicians are shortsighted and only worry about the next election. Even if the Democrats take both houses of congress and the presidency, little will change. Either side will justify continuation of the war in Iraq if in power.

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by September 14, 2007 12:17 PM PDT

It is evident Iran is pushing for a confrontation with the USA....If they are not stopped now, they will look to take over and dominate the mideast. If we do not confront this problem now, later may be more difficult for giving them more time to develope and accumulate WOMD...We should strike while the iron is hot..time is of the essance, the more time we give them the stronger they become..It appears to be a problem we MUST confront and defeat.

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by grazinggoat September 14, 2007 12:27 PM PDT

Just look at Bushit''''s ********** smirk and you''''ll see why anyone with an IQ over room temperature despises the little sneak.
Posted by gkc99 at 09:36 AM : Sep 14, 2007

-I said yesterday that Walking-Liar was a curse on Sheikh Abou Risha! He was kind of possessed by the devil as he was smirking while looking at him. He was chosing the sacrifice victim. Would you believe he''s been killed to foment the fight between the factions in Anbar. Walking-Liar and most probably the fake-military contractors don''t like calm. It''s too scary for them to be discovered while stealing. No wonder the revenge vowing...

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by grazinggoat September 14, 2007 12:32 PM PDT

Also noted is Betrayus''''s spectacular failure in Mosul, which leads us to the question, why was this general, who has already been humiliated by Admiral Fallon, in charge of anything more important than Barney''''s pooper-scooper?
Posted by Prinzowhales

-Good question Prinz!

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by prinzowhales September 14, 2007 12:35 PM PDT

The Islamic Republic has not launched a war of aggression against its neighbors--US-backed Iraq, however, launched one against it. The US and other Western nations provided them with WMDs and financing.

Iran has no nuclear weapons, it has no plans to acquire any--but who would blame them if they did?... Not a day goes by without some threat against their sovereignty from the Zionists and the other War Pigs in Washington and Israel. We all saw how Iraq fared without WMDs or a nuclear program....

The US supplied Iran with its first reactor--a little research reactor that went into service in the 1960s, if memory serves. Israel has hundreds of nuclear weapons. Iran poses no threat to us, no threat to Israel.

The threat of free nations with tremendous oil wealth is to the debt-money mongers in the West--When Iran and others start demanding real money, or other currencies, rather than the printing-press fodder of the FED, it attacks the very basis of the Anglo-American system.

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by j-whitman September 14, 2007 1:14 PM PDT

The Full Spin Is On --- Bush is lying through his teath

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by j-whitman September 14, 2007 1:19 PM PDT

Even Guiliani is spinning hard, Totally lied about Hilliary''s Petreaus comments & Move On''s add.

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by ioweign September 14, 2007 1:28 PM PDT

Did anybody notice bush having difficulty trying to master the English language when reading from the teleprompter? Was it in Russian or perhaps Arabic?

Posted by rharrin1 at 08:38 AM : Sep 14, 2007

He did fine with "My Pet Goat!"

It is all the fictional material he has to deal with..

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by j-whitman September 14, 2007 1:34 PM PDT

IOWEIGN,,,, Bush should try Fact Checking his telepromter

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by colonieny September 14, 2007 1:41 PM PDT

To PRinz: Iran under these crazy Islamics Fascists is a threat to the whole world because : 1. They are ruthless intolerant, cruel and willing to kill innocent people while screaming AlaAkba or other crazy stuff. Witness: over 5000 women were stoned to death after the Shah fell. Buried and wrapped then pelted with rocks and bolders ( perhaps by insane people like yourself) who hate women. ditto for ***. ditto for Jews, and Chritians.
2. The leader of the "country" Iran has called for wiping Israel and the US off the map! Given Nuclear bombs, they would try ! (If able to stone 5000 women, why would I not believe them !??)
3. They are actively supplying arms and weapons to people in a battle with the US and the Free IRAQ already. They are behind Hezbollah who have attacked USA already, and have terrorist cells here, with squirlly misfits just ready to kill innocent Americans.
IRAN IS the ENEMY. We should thank GOD every day for brave PRES. Bush, who makes decisions not on Polls, or the NYT editorial, or big money MOve on.org Sorrus funds, but on what is right and just. Thank GOD for our troops, our brave men and women. Thank GOD for FREE IRAQ, to lead the Middle EAST in the future free of nut cases such as yourself.

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by colonieny September 14, 2007 1:44 PM PDT

THE ISLAMOFASCIST CONSPIRACY CONTINUES:

Like Mohammad Atta the Al Qaeda in Iraq are blood thirsty and attack true Islamics. Islamofascism is a religious-political movement striving to establish a worldwide theocracy (World Government) ruled by a Caleph (the title for a religious/political dictator). Under an islamofascist theocracy, all non-muslims and freedom loving muslims would be destroyed.
Adolph Eichman%u2019s deputy Dieter Wisliceny in Nuremberg Trials testimony stated: "The Mufti [Islamic leader of Jerusalem Hau Amin el-Husseni] was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan. He was one of Eichmann%u2019s best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures." Hitler%u2019s personal body guards were Islamofascists recruited by the Mufti into an elite SS unit of the Hanjar Division.
The same Mufti stated in his post WWII memoirs "Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish problem in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of its Jews. The answer I got was: The Jews are yours."

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by j-whitman September 14, 2007 1:55 PM PDT

ColonieNY,,,, What are you the coloniel of the urnal ?? Get your head out of your but & pay attention.......... Admrial Folley says we will not attack Iran, he even delaiyed the 3rd battle group from arriving in the Persian Gulf untill the 2nd one was leaving..
... What Tactical Advantage do we have ?? -- We don''''t even have the troops in Iraq to sustain the little progress we have,,, The Surge has only given sketchy security in some areas, & mostly by isolating Sunni''''s from Sheiits...
.. The 36 countries in the Coalition Bush boasts about only is 31 countries is mostly non-combatent & adds up to only 7%, of our own forces.

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by starleo146 September 14, 2007 1:56 PM PDT

The Full Spin Is On --- Bush is lying through his teath

Posted by j-whitman at 01:14 PM : Sep 14, 2007

Did any one notice the statement we will be there a long time after I am gone, so there you go, now you know why there was never a exit plan. They Bush and Cheney planned to set up a base permanently in Iraq. Does this sound like we have been lied to all along at the expense of almost 3800 deaths and 27000 injured. What are they thinking?OIL OIL Haliburton maybe?

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by colonieny September 14, 2007 1:57 PM PDT

MR. Whitman: So ? What is your point, pollyanna ?

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by rhs648 September 14, 2007 1:58 PM PDT

They have a robust military, not to mention a fanatical leadership that would do whatever is necessary to make the job of defeating them as difficult and costly as possible. this is not to say we would not win...we certaintly would, but to what ends? We would gain nothing except a severely destabalized region frought with jaded, revenge hungry, readical extremist pushed underground and out of sight.
Keep your friends close...and enemies closer...oldest trick in the book.

Posted by ThinkHarder

The same was believed about Irag before the desert storm invasion of Iraq. Coalition forces led by America smashed the Iraqi army and the Iraqi Republican guard easily. The problem, as we see with Iraq, is what happens after we defeat them. Our current problems with Iraq are as described by Saddam Hussein before the most recent Iraqi war began.

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by nothappyatall September 14, 2007 1:59 PM PDT

"More than four years have past since the occupation of Iraq and today everyone knows that American has failed and is frantically looking for a way out," he said. "

We DID fail yes, and it''s obvious BUSH is trying to save face by claiming "success" when it''s clear we have anything BUT.

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by colonieny September 14, 2007 1:59 PM PDT

star : You are another nut case. If we want to steal oil, why not in Kuwaitt, we had our army there etc. did we steal their oil ? did we make Chaney the new pres of Kuwaitt ? Ditto for Saudia Arabia. Where do you come up with this simple minded sing songs for idiots ?
Why are we protecting Taiwan or Korea ? they do not have oil ? Duhhh.

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by j-whitman September 14, 2007 2:01 PM PDT

ColonieNY,,,, My point is --- Bush is lying through his teeth, the full spin is on,,,,, Iraq is no further along than 3 years ago,,, Iran is no threat to Isreal,,,, Your Islamofobia, dishonorable GOP rhetoric & ideaology is driving your ignorance.

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by colonieny September 14, 2007 2:04 PM PDT

To all you leftist racists:

point 1:If you believe in DEMOCRACY NOW ! ( yea Pacifica radio) why not for the IRAQIs ? I guess democracy is only a concept you accept for White Skin people ! You are all racists.

point 2 : Bush is a genuine JFK Progressive, since he wants to and acts on brining freedom to people.

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by colonieny September 14, 2007 2:07 PM PDT

Whitman : Iraq is the seed to Democratcy in the entire Middle East. You are a complete idiot if you do not know that, and more like a little cry baby for not wanting to fight the enemy who killed us on 9 11. They are there. We are killing them. We rope a doped them. Even if you do not agree that we should have gone into IRAQ, we are there now, and what would you do just leave ? A stupid cry baby attitute. don''t you want to kill more Al Queda. Don''t you think they want to kill your sorry assss.

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by j-whitman September 14, 2007 2:08 PM PDT

ColonieNY,,,,, It''s not about anyone''s Freedom thiers our ours --- Iraq''s can''t leave thier villiges without the risk of being shot by thier own militas, they have a rapidly growing number opposing our occupation....... The growing problems makes America much less safe

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by colonieny September 14, 2007 2:11 PM PDT

Whitman: The point is , this is a continuation of WWII. We ignored the NAZI-ISLAMIC connection after the war, and have paid the price. The question is , will the Quislings of today fight ? FREE IRAQ = FREEDOM.

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by j-whitman September 14, 2007 2:12 PM PDT

ColonieNY,,,,, Every General & experianced diplomat or politician with any military experiance we have says "There is no military solution" --- The surge has failed to create reconciliation in the Iraq government...... Many Middle Eastern countries allready have a form of democratic government ---
--- Democracy cannot be forced on another nation by a military force.

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by seven-pesos September 14, 2007 2:14 PM PDT

you won''t find america''s enemies in the middle east...

you''ll find them in the southern states of america.

war making, bible thumping, flag waving, phony christian, republican snake southerners...

bush''s kind of people.

war, hate, arrogance, division, evangelist creeps...

nothing good comes out of the south!

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by j-whitman September 14, 2007 2:14 PM PDT

ColonieNY,,,, From WW1 to WW2 promises to support Arab''s in retaining thier territories was violated. --- There is no NAZI-ISLAMIC connection

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by seven-pesos September 14, 2007 2:15 PM PDT

whenever you have a southerner running the country you''''re bound to have a useless war...

and being a southerner that war is bound to be lost.

the south never does good for america.

always war, hate, arrogance, christian creeps, republican snakes...

oh well, that''''s the south for you, folks!

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by seven-pesos September 14, 2007 2:16 PM PDT

white trash, republican christian south...bush country!

who''s the next creep those idiot southern snakes will try to put in the white house?

war, hate, arrogance, reborns & rednecks...

that''s the south for you, folks!

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by j-whitman September 14, 2007 2:20 PM PDT

ColonieNY,,, You want a NAZI connection ??? -- Here you go ---

The war made possible for us the solution of a whole series of problems that could never have been solved in normal times. --- Dr. Joseph Gobbels


All propaganda must be so popular and on such an intellectual level, that even the most stupid of those toward whom it is directed will understand it... Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise.
---- Adolf Hitler ----

The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist. ---- Sir Winston Churchill

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by j-whitman September 14, 2007 2:23 PM PDT

ColonieNY,,, The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it. ----- Dr. Joseph Mengele

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[skyk-2009]

It''s embarrassing when the Radical Religious Leader of Iran looks to be more in touch with reality than our President. WE are NOT winning in Iraq and pretending we are only makes these people look MORE right. We need a leader folks...really really bad.

[wolf563]

With all the proof the U.S. continues to put forward and pointing thier finger at IRAN for thier involvement in attacks on U.S. and IRAQI`s people . Why has nothing been done to stop this from happening ? As we(THE WORLD BODY) have had to listen to all the proof put forward and stand by while nothing is being done about it , IRAN continues to taunt the U.S. knowing that they (U.S.) WILL NOT DO A THING TO STOP THEM .The U.S. is being looked upon as a JOKE by IRAN . If IRAN is going to use nuclear energy for electricity then they must have a new power grid and new lines installed to handle all the electricity that is going to be used . The world has heard nothing of this transformer and or new lines .

[pwrslm]

With all the proof the U.S. continues to put forward and pointing thier finger at IRAN for thier involvement in attacks on U.S. and IRAQI`s people . Why has nothing been done to stop this from happening ?
Posted by wolf563


I find the condition of ignorance is a preferred state of many nations when it comes to the truth. When we show Iranian build weapons and debris that killed our soldiers, Iran ignores us and continues to do what they do, more of our boys die, and the Germans refuse to believe that a orthodox muslim would do such a thing.

Wake up people. We have everything we need to drop Iran to its knee''s, already in the region. In 3 days we could wipe out the Iranian military. All they would have left is a million civilian recruits, poorly trained, underfed, and without the tools to get thier job done.

Bush is on the right track. The Ottoman empire was destroyed by our forefathers, what we are seeing today is a resurgence of the same islamic thesis that they fought long and hard to destroy. People are so naive, and even in light of history, they chose to remain ignorant of reality.

[hungry1968]

Isn''t it funny how CBS always manages to take down the message boards whenever Bush loads us with fresh ammo at his miserably failed administration?

What a coincidence!

Where''s perception5 to tell us how the "MSM wolfpack" is always attacking Bush, when in fact they prevent us from blogging about him.

[tbweb]

Mourners vowed revenge ...

And that''s why this will never end! It''s a vicious thousand year old cycle of never ending revenge!

[prinzowhales]

Pepe Escobar at the ASIA TIMES does a good job destroying whatever mystique Barney''s new protege, General Betrayus has managed to accumulate. "Only those paying more attention to the botched comeback of the "fat" lip-synching Britney Spears will be fooled by Petraeus, the iPod general - a player of what is fed by his master''s voice, the White House," Escobar writes.

http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/II14Ak04.html

The Shiek and his alliance are responsible for whatever peace there is in Anbar and despite their taking of Betrayus''s ''thirty pieces of silver'' to fight our beast, al Qaeda, the overwhelming majority of Sunnis support attacks on American occupation forces and only two percent support the al-Maliki regime. These are the revanchists who want a reassertion of Sunni power...

Also noted is Betrayus''s spectacular failure in Mosul, which leads us to the question, why was this general, who has already been humiliated by Admiral Fallon, in charge of anything more important than Barney''s pooper-scooper?

[hungry1968]

Wake up people. We have everything we need to drop Iran to its knee''s, already in the region. In 3 days we could wipe out the Iranian military. All they would have left is a million civilian recruits, poorly trained, underfed, and without the tools to get thier job done.
Posted by pwrslm at 09:00 AM : Sep 14, 2007



You sound just like Cheney about our invasion of Iraq.

They''ll be throwing flowers at our soldiers feet welcoming us as liberators, right? Your ignorance is really disturbing.

If they had proof of the weapons being provided by Iran, why don''t they take them to the UN security council?

Explain the hypocrisy to me:
America can sell weapons to Jordan and Saudi Arabia and provide weapons to Sunni insurgents IN IRAQ (WHICH I AM DEAD SET AGAINST), and that''s perfectly acceptable to you Bush ***-kissers.

But when Iran sells weapons to Maliki''s Shiite government or provides weapons to the Shiite insurgents, (WHICH I AM ALSO DEAD SET AGAINST), they''re considered as supporting terrorists and terrorism?

[boldwin223]

"Wake up people. We have everything we need to drop Iran to its knee''''s, already in the region. In 3 days we could wipe out the Iranian military. All they would have left is a million civilian recruits, poorly trained, underfed, and without the tools to get thier job done."

Posted by pwrslm at 09:00 AM : Sep 14, 2007

Why not use the Nentron Bomb. No Americans will die the oil will be save for your SUV''s. So who cares if every man, woman and child in Iran is killed. Apparently you and wolf563 don''t. After all, the U.S. is being looked upon as a JOKE by IRAN.

[gkc99]

Just look at Bushit''s ********** smirk and you''ll see why anyone with an IQ over room temperature despises the little sneak.

[hungry1968]

If the surge really is working, why stop it? I mean President Disaster announced his grand plan in January, and while the violence kept getting worse and worse with more Americans dying each month while the surge built up. They kept telling us, "Wait - the surge isn''t in place yet. Just wait until the surge forces are at full strength." Then in July, they announced that the "surge" was finally at full strength.

Two months later, the "surge" is declared a success and we can now draw down forces? Wouldn''t it make sense, that if they finally found something that is working after 4-1/2 years of failure, that they would stick with it?

[boldwin223]

hungry1968... CBS''s web servers were unable to accommodate 200 million messages from angry people about (Tin Man) Bush''s failed Iraq war.

[pugster]

Invading Iran is a mistake without a plan of recovery as you can see with Iraq. Dubya just have plans to topple Saddam''s government but have no plans to rebuild it admist of a power vaccum. The only reason of the reduced violence is that most of the neighborhood is already ethically cleansed. There are no longer neighborhoods where you see mixed ***** and sunni''s because either one of them are gone or dead.

[drummer94]

Gawd! This format really bites. Must be a new kid trying to make his mark. Anyway, look for more bloodshed by the Sunni''s. How they gonna tell which ones are aQI, and which ones are plain ''ol Shiite''s? Wanna wager that they don''t care?

[drummer94]

I said yesterday that my tv was gonna be kissin my rubber brick. 7 times in 18 minutes. A new personal best for me. Loony-toon has lost all touch with reality. He thinks that we are so stupid, that we don''t know the "surge" troops were comin home anyway. Sheesh.

[rayuk-2009]

The universe is full of round things. Planets,balls, rocks and most all holes tend to be round. Bush and his Conservative supporters are square heads that have nothing but square pegs. This is the case in Iraq, in goverment, in religion and most of all in intelligence.

I will say it again. If we lose in Iraq, it will be a loss that we will regret for 100 years. I was not in favor of us invading Iraq. But we must conquer our enemies or it will cost many innocent lives in the future!

[glossypan]

Looks as if the fifty million American taxpayer dollars we distributed in sparsely populated Anbar province only bought us a few weeks of pacification. George and the boys have already spent all the tax money you will pay in your lifetime. The interest on that trillion dollars will keep your children working extra hours every week. Osama bin Laden is achieving his goal and this administration cannot find the will and the resources to bring him to justice.

[olebd]

I can''t take this new format. My eyes feel like they are going to bleed!!!

[wolf563]

pwrslm :Ignorance flows from your mouth quite easily and without truth. I posed a question on the accusations towards Iran and of Iran`s intent . Go back to school and this time stay off your knees.

[prinzowhales]

One of the War Pig arguments for continuing what Time-Life dubbed, "The Vietnam Experience" was the Domino Theory...that all of SEA would go Communist if we didn''t ''stay the course'' in Vietnam. That was a lie.

Today the sons and heirs of the War Pig ideology say, ''If we don''t stay the course in Iraq, we''ll regret it for "100 years"''...not 101 years, not 99, but just about as long as the Regime''s ''Long War''.

Bush intended to strike at Iraq from his very first NSC meeting...he just wanted them to ''find him a reason to invade.'' See the book by Paul O''Neil, his first Secretary of Treasury and NSC member. Donald Rumsfeld actually called and asked him not to publish it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inyCkCvqRO0

This is a picture of one of the thermate-cut columns at the WTC--No fuel fire 70 floors above did this to a four-foot diameter structural steel column.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/06/341238.shtml?discuss

This gave the Bush Regime the psychological driver to implement its agenda of a war of aggression against Iraq. The Regime lied about Saddam''s WMDs, Iraq''s danger to the US...it''s assets invented out of whole cloth lies about aluminum tubes and a non-existent Iraqi nuclear program; ''gliders of death'' that could strike at us; a WMD program that could hit Britain in 45 minutes; the Niger yellow-cake and many other things with regard to al Qaeda ties.

Troops Home Now! Bring the dogs in Washington to Justice! Restore the Constitutional Republic!

[thinkharder-]

In 3 days we could wipe out the Iranian military.
Posted by pwrslm

Jeez...talk about delusions of grandeur!! Iran is not Iraq my friend. Also...in talking about history, you''d be well suited to read a bit yourself. the Ottomans have nothing to do with the Iranians. Iranian = Persian...Ottoman = Turkish. Ottomans and Persians were enemies...the even beat back the Persians and took Bagdhad from them in the mid 1500''s if I remember correctly. Also...our for-fathers had nothing to do with the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, that having been brought about by the "Young Turkish Revolt" of...1908ish I think. Anyway...you need to do a bit more historical research before you start chastising others for lacking historical insight. Know this...Iran is swelled with 1500 years worth of Persian pride, unlike Iraq having lacked a real ethnic identity. They have a robust military, not to mention a fanatical leadership that would do whatever is necessary to make the job of defeating them as difficult and costly as possible. this is not to say we would not win...we certaintly would, but to what ends? We would gain nothing except a severely destabalized region frought with jaded, revenge hungry, readical extremist pushed underground and out of sight.
Keep your friends close...and enemies closer...oldest trick in the book.

[rhs648]

Two months later, the "surge" is declared a success and we can now draw down forces? Wouldn''''t it make sense, that if they finally found something that is working after 4-1/2 years of failure, that they would stick with it?

Posted by hungry1968

Because Iraq has become a political football, both Democrats and Republicans will remain at odds. Sadly, politicians are shortsighted and only worry about the next election. Even if the Democrats take both houses of congress and the presidency, little will change. Either side will justify continuation of the war in Iraq if in power.

It is evident Iran is pushing for a confrontation with the USA....If they are not stopped now, they will look to take over and dominate the mideast. If we do not confront this problem now, later may be more difficult for giving them more time to develope and accumulate WOMD...We should strike while the iron is hot..time is of the essance, the more time we give them the stronger they become..It appears to be a problem we MUST confront and defeat.

[grazinggoat]

Just look at Bushit''''s ********** smirk and you''''ll see why anyone with an IQ over room temperature despises the little sneak.
Posted by gkc99 at 09:36 AM : Sep 14, 2007

-I said yesterday that Walking-Liar was a curse on Sheikh Abou Risha! He was kind of possessed by the devil as he was smirking while looking at him. He was chosing the sacrifice victim. Would you believe he''s been killed to foment the fight between the factions in Anbar. Walking-Liar and most probably the fake-military contractors don''t like calm. It''s too scary for them to be discovered while stealing. No wonder the revenge vowing...

[grazinggoat]

Also noted is Betrayus''''s spectacular failure in Mosul, which leads us to the question, why was this general, who has already been humiliated by Admiral Fallon, in charge of anything more important than Barney''''s pooper-scooper?
Posted by Prinzowhales

-Good question Prinz!

[prinzowhales]

The Islamic Republic has not launched a war of aggression against its neighbors--US-backed Iraq, however, launched one against it. The US and other Western nations provided them with WMDs and financing.

Iran has no nuclear weapons, it has no plans to acquire any--but who would blame them if they did?... Not a day goes by without some threat against their sovereignty from the Zionists and the other War Pigs in Washington and Israel. We all saw how Iraq fared without WMDs or a nuclear program....

The US supplied Iran with its first reactor--a little research reactor that went into service in the 1960s, if memory serves. Israel has hundreds of nuclear weapons. Iran poses no threat to us, no threat to Israel.

The threat of free nations with tremendous oil wealth is to the debt-money mongers in the West--When Iran and others start demanding real money, or other currencies, rather than the printing-press fodder of the FED, it attacks the very basis of the Anglo-American system.

[j-whitman]

The Full Spin Is On --- Bush is lying through his teath

[j-whitman]

Even Guiliani is spinning hard, Totally lied about Hilliary''s Petreaus comments & Move On''s add.

[ioweign]

Did anybody notice bush having difficulty trying to master the English language when reading from the teleprompter? Was it in Russian or perhaps Arabic?

Posted by rharrin1 at 08:38 AM : Sep 14, 2007

He did fine with "My Pet Goat!"

It is all the fictional material he has to deal with..

[j-whitman]

IOWEIGN,,,, Bush should try Fact Checking his telepromter

[colonieny]

To PRinz: Iran under these crazy Islamics Fascists is a threat to the whole world because : 1. They are ruthless intolerant, cruel and willing to kill innocent people while screaming AlaAkba or other crazy stuff. Witness: over 5000 women were stoned to death after the Shah fell. Buried and wrapped then pelted with rocks and bolders ( perhaps by insane people like yourself) who hate women. ditto for ***. ditto for Jews, and Chritians.
2. The leader of the "country" Iran has called for wiping Israel and the US off the map! Given Nuclear bombs, they would try ! (If able to stone 5000 women, why would I not believe them !??)
3. They are actively supplying arms and weapons to people in a battle with the US and the Free IRAQ already. They are behind Hezbollah who have attacked USA already, and have terrorist cells here, with squirlly misfits just ready to kill innocent Americans.
IRAN IS the ENEMY. We should thank GOD every day for brave PRES. Bush, who makes decisions not on Polls, or the NYT editorial, or big money MOve on.org Sorrus funds, but on what is right and just. Thank GOD for our troops, our brave men and women. Thank GOD for FREE IRAQ, to lead the Middle EAST in the future free of nut cases such as yourself.

[colonieny]

THE ISLAMOFASCIST CONSPIRACY CONTINUES:

Like Mohammad Atta the Al Qaeda in Iraq are blood thirsty and attack true Islamics. Islamofascism is a religious-political movement striving to establish a worldwide theocracy (World Government) ruled by a Caleph (the title for a religious/political dictator). Under an islamofascist theocracy, all non-muslims and freedom loving muslims would be destroyed.
Adolph Eichman%u2019s deputy Dieter Wisliceny in Nuremberg Trials testimony stated: "The Mufti [Islamic leader of Jerusalem Hau Amin el-Husseni] was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan. He was one of Eichmann%u2019s best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures." Hitler%u2019s personal body guards were Islamofascists recruited by the Mufti into an elite SS unit of the Hanjar Division.
The same Mufti stated in his post WWII memoirs "Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish problem in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of its Jews. The answer I got was: The Jews are yours."

[j-whitman]

ColonieNY,,,, What are you the coloniel of the urnal ?? Get your head out of your but & pay attention.......... Admrial Folley says we will not attack Iran, he even delaiyed the 3rd battle group from arriving in the Persian Gulf untill the 2nd one was leaving..
... What Tactical Advantage do we have ?? -- We don''''t even have the troops in Iraq to sustain the little progress we have,,, The Surge has only given sketchy security in some areas, & mostly by isolating Sunni''''s from Sheiits...
.. The 36 countries in the Coalition Bush boasts about only is 31 countries is mostly non-combatent & adds up to only 7%, of our own forces.

[starleo146]

The Full Spin Is On --- Bush is lying through his teath

Posted by j-whitman at 01:14 PM : Sep 14, 2007

Did any one notice the statement we will be there a long time after I am gone, so there you go, now you know why there was never a exit plan. They Bush and Cheney planned to set up a base permanently in Iraq. Does this sound like we have been lied to all along at the expense of almost 3800 deaths and 27000 injured. What are they thinking?OIL OIL Haliburton maybe?

[colonieny]

MR. Whitman: So ? What is your point, pollyanna ?

[rhs648]

They have a robust military, not to mention a fanatical leadership that would do whatever is necessary to make the job of defeating them as difficult and costly as possible. this is not to say we would not win...we certaintly would, but to what ends? We would gain nothing except a severely destabalized region frought with jaded, revenge hungry, readical extremist pushed underground and out of sight.
Keep your friends close...and enemies closer...oldest trick in the book.

Posted by ThinkHarder

The same was believed about Irag before the desert storm invasion of Iraq. Coalition forces led by America smashed the Iraqi army and the Iraqi Republican guard easily. The problem, as we see with Iraq, is what happens after we defeat them. Our current problems with Iraq are as described by Saddam Hussein before the most recent Iraqi war began.

[nothappyatall]

"More than four years have past since the occupation of Iraq and today everyone knows that American has failed and is frantically looking for a way out," he said. "

We DID fail yes, and it''s obvious BUSH is trying to save face by claiming "success" when it''s clear we have anything BUT.

[colonieny]

star : You are another nut case. If we want to steal oil, why not in Kuwaitt, we had our army there etc. did we steal their oil ? did we make Chaney the new pres of Kuwaitt ? Ditto for Saudia Arabia. Where do you come up with this simple minded sing songs for idiots ?
Why are we protecting Taiwan or Korea ? they do not have oil ? Duhhh.

[j-whitman]

ColonieNY,,,, My point is --- Bush is lying through his teeth, the full spin is on,,,,, Iraq is no further along than 3 years ago,,, Iran is no threat to Isreal,,,, Your Islamofobia, dishonorable GOP rhetoric & ideaology is driving your ignorance.

[colonieny]

To all you leftist racists:

point 1:If you believe in DEMOCRACY NOW ! ( yea Pacifica radio) why not for the IRAQIs ? I guess democracy is only a concept you accept for White Skin people ! You are all racists.

point 2 : Bush is a genuine JFK Progressive, since he wants to and acts on brining freedom to people.

[colonieny]

Whitman : Iraq is the seed to Democratcy in the entire Middle East. You are a complete idiot if you do not know that, and more like a little cry baby for not wanting to fight the enemy who killed us on 9 11. They are there. We are killing them. We rope a doped them. Even if you do not agree that we should have gone into IRAQ, we are there now, and what would you do just leave ? A stupid cry baby attitute. don''t you want to kill more Al Queda. Don''t you think they want to kill your sorry assss.

[j-whitman]

ColonieNY,,,,, It''s not about anyone''s Freedom thiers our ours --- Iraq''s can''t leave thier villiges without the risk of being shot by thier own militas, they have a rapidly growing number opposing our occupation....... The growing problems makes America much less safe

[colonieny]

Whitman: The point is , this is a continuation of WWII. We ignored the NAZI-ISLAMIC connection after the war, and have paid the price. The question is , will the Quislings of today fight ? FREE IRAQ = FREEDOM.

[j-whitman]

ColonieNY,,,,, Every General & experianced diplomat or politician with any military experiance we have says "There is no military solution" --- The surge has failed to create reconciliation in the Iraq government...... Many Middle Eastern countries allready have a form of democratic government ---
--- Democracy cannot be forced on another nation by a military force.

[seven-pesos]

you won''t find america''s enemies in the middle east...

you''ll find them in the southern states of america.

war making, bible thumping, flag waving, phony christian, republican snake southerners...

bush''s kind of people.

war, hate, arrogance, division, evangelist creeps...

nothing good comes out of the south!

[j-whitman]

ColonieNY,,,, From WW1 to WW2 promises to support Arab''s in retaining thier territories was violated. --- There is no NAZI-ISLAMIC connection

[seven-pesos]

whenever you have a southerner running the country you''''re bound to have a useless war...

and being a southerner that war is bound to be lost.

the south never does good for america.

always war, hate, arrogance, christian creeps, republican snakes...

oh well, that''''s the south for you, folks!

[seven-pesos]

white trash, republican christian south...bush country!

who''s the next creep those idiot southern snakes will try to put in the white house?

war, hate, arrogance, reborns & rednecks...

that''s the south for you, folks!

[j-whitman]

ColonieNY,,, You want a NAZI connection ??? -- Here you go ---

The war made possible for us the solution of a whole series of problems that could never have been solved in normal times. --- Dr. Joseph Gobbels


All propaganda must be so popular and on such an intellectual level, that even the most stupid of those toward whom it is directed will understand it... Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise.
---- Adolf Hitler ----

The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist. ---- Sir Winston Churchill

[j-whitman]

ColonieNY,,, The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it. ----- Dr. Joseph Mengele